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Title: Germany to Try Rumsfeld???
Post by: The Dog on November 10, 2006, 03:11:31 PM
along with Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, former CIA director George Tenet and other senior U.S. civilian and military officers, for their alleged roles in abuses committed at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison and at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1557842,00.html




Title: Re: Germany to Try Rumsfeld???
Post by: pasnow on November 10, 2006, 03:47:15 PM
I didn't like the guy very much, didn't like him at press conferences, didn't like his view on the war, didn't like him switching back & forth about how the war is about WMD's... Saddam... Terrorists... WMD's.... Saddam... Terrorists..


But I really hope the gov't doesn't throw him under the bus. Just let the man go. He wasn't the only one involved, if he's convicted we know for sure Bush & Cheney knew just as much as he did about what was going on. Shit falls down, and I have a feeling it's going to land on him. (ie the scapegoat)


Title: Re: Germany to Try Rumsfeld???
Post by: Brody on November 10, 2006, 04:04:26 PM
good luck with that... good way to smooth relations..


Title: Re: Germany to Try Rumsfeld???
Post by: The Dog on November 10, 2006, 04:12:52 PM
I don't know - if actual war crimes were committed, why shouldn't the offenderes stand trial?  I think this may force investigations/probes internally.  If we clean up our own house they might be pacified.



Title: Re: Germany to Try Rumsfeld???
Post by: SLCPUNK on November 10, 2006, 04:28:21 PM
The standards we seek to impose on the rest of the world also apply to us.

Many soldiers have been tried and convicted of torture, rape and murder in Iraq.

I don't see why Rumsfeld should be immune to prosecution.

This is pretty big:


"Lawyers for the plaintiffs say that one of the witnesses who will testify on their behalf is former Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, the one-time commander of all U.S. military prisons in Iraq. Karpinski ? who the lawyers say will be in Germany next week to publicly address her accusations in the case ? has issued a written statement to accompany the legal filing, which says, in part: "It was clear the knowledge and responsibility [for what happened at Abu Ghraib] goes all the way to the top of the chain of command to the Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld ."


Title: Re: Germany to Try Rumsfeld???
Post by: Drew on November 10, 2006, 05:00:27 PM
I seriously doubt it will ever happen.


Title: Re: Germany to Try Rumsfeld???
Post by: Bud Fox on November 11, 2006, 12:06:37 AM
A US General is going to Germany to give evidence that the operation of Abu Garib's torture rooms was directed from Rumsfeld's office, not the work of some soldier fall guys as they have alleged in their cover up. Should we not allow Rumsfeld to be extradicted to Germany to face trial before the Nuremburg Tribunals as a war criminal if German courts find sufficient evidence for an indictment?


Title: Re: Germany to Try Rumsfeld???
Post by: seadog2006 on November 16, 2006, 06:57:40 PM
He'll have to be careful which countries he travels to.