Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I've just read Beta's post regarding last night's show, and if this is the case (I believe it is), then it's completely reasonable that the show was cancelled. However, scanning any paperwork, or at least mentioning through the website the ridiculous stipulations that the fire marshall's imposed would do a lot for the band's public perception, particularly at this crucial time in GNR's career, and would ease the minds of those fans that felt let down by yesterday's events.

I know people will say that GNR don't owe anyone anything and blah blah blah, but it would be a nice gesture to the fans, and I really hope that they will consider doing this. It will shut up the doubters - and I must admit I was one. Given past history, it's only reasonable to question things. The press release was vague at best. Since the fire marshall has now spoken on the radio and claimed that booze/ticket sales were the reason the show was cancelled, I think an official response would be well timed, and would also encourage those who may now be doubting whether to take long journeys to see the band.

I hope this doesn't get deleted, but... ???

So where can I find this post?

how many fucking threads do we need about this topic?  this is the third!

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=38723.0

I thought it would have been off-topic in the Portland thread since that was for discussion of the existing press release. Sorry for offending you. Actually I'm not, since you're cluttering up the board yourself with useless crap.

Freelance moderator?

Back to the topic- yes I think it would be great for a more specific press release to shut up the haters. Either that or can we supply some prozac to these people?

Enough to make you literally cry about it.

actually, you're stealing my thunder  :hihi: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=38326.0

And my post wasn't useless, I am trying to tell you guys to post things in the right thread so that the discussion stays coherent.  now you have people asking where they can read this post, etc.  and you know it's going to get moved anyhow.

Alright, yeah. I give up anyway. Move it, delete it, whatever.

where is beta s post?

It's in the original thread about this subject

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=38723.0

The page might be helpful, thanks.

Does she post as Beta or something else?

I'm not about to go through 4439587439587439857 pages to find a post that fixintodie should've quoted in the first place  :hihi:

Neither am I, that is why I am asking..........

Edit: see it has been posted, thanks.

I'm sorry, but past experiences have made most of the fans schizophrenic and paranoid when it comes to any statement made by the band.
Rarely anything is answered, and when it is answered, it's quite vague, and ambiguous.
A big factor is the constant anxiety because the album release date has not yet been set,
and there's less than 2 months till the end of the year, and people are starting to get jumpy, and are afraid that after this fall, the band might not release the album as previously announced, or even worse, go underground once again(as in 2003-05 period).

Also, many questions have been left unanswered in the past,
So fans tend not to believe the band as the band would want them to. (Example, the 2002 tour cancellation).
the fright that the band might cancel the shows is always present, especially if people are traveling to the venue from other town/country..., and shows starting hours behind schedule are not making fans eager, but exhausted, especially for those on the arena floor.

This is a small rant of mine.
Things I brought up might seem small individually, but together they are quite annoying, and I guess is the reason behind the lack of trust.

I do not believe that English is her first language so cut her some slack.    :-*

I think it is cool of her to take minutes out of her life to try and address this very "diverse and passionate" crowd. She does not have to do so. I am very happy to hear that the Fire Marshall is the bad guy, but I do still wonder why this stuff wasn't known prior to agreeing to play there. Is it one of those things where yea there are bunch of rules but nobody enforces them (kinda like the U.S. border) and these guys (the Fire Marshalls) were just being extra big dicks about stuff that normally isn't an issue?


Also, it's GRAMMAR.   ;)

I really don't want to contribute to this thread (which should really be in the other thread), but i can't beleive you guys beleive that is beta, I could come here saying i was axl and make up some bullshit story and you would all beleive it.

Here, have some karma for insulting another board member.


Grow up and respect the rules.

If she was merely someone else posting as Beta, Jarmo would have deleted her account in a second.

It has to be Beta herself. ?If not, then the poster would be banned for impersonating her. ?

I am impressed and thankful that an actual indepth explanation has been given from someone within the GNR camp.

Thank you Beta.

Now the "harassed and threatened" part of the press release makes complete sense.

Canceling the concert also makes sense to me.

Atleast we had the snakepit albums :hihi:

grammar


I think GNR should have been more specific with their press release since it's now been spelled out how dastardly the fire marshalls were planning to be with their rules, regulations, threats and harrassment. The actual release is pretty wishy washy and vague in its language, it could even cover something like a disagreement about bottles and plastic cups on stage.

Press releases has to be vague to protect one self from litigation.

What kind of litigation would they face, exactly......you can't get sued for telling the truth as far as I know.

thats childish... :P

The truth is usually subject to opinion....... ::)

If you have followed some lawsuits you'll see that the truth is often somewhat irrelevant to the case. The less specific you are, the less points someone can attack you on in a suit.

Beta's post does sound likely, I was at jacksonville, some dude behind me lit a cigarette and the damn security gaurds threw a shit fit immediately and made him put it out.

Not really:

Don't post simply to complain about someone else's spelling and grammar or complain about the thread itself.
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=14144.0

Well, it could be argued that he didn't brake any of those rules

I don't understand why some people here have such a hard time believing that Beta posts on the board. ?It isn't the 1st time she has posted to try to clarify rumors that are getting out of control. ?Here she has done the same and has given more than a few reasons why the show was cancelled in addition to the press release which she didn't have to take the time out and do. ?

To the person who had something to say about her spelling-How many languages can YOU type in? ?Obviously English is not her 1st yet she manages to type better than a lot of people here that it is a native language for. ?

Not everybody visits this site as much as others. If you haven't been updated on the fact that she posts here (after all, she only has for a couple of months) it's not that strange they think it's bullshit. Especially considering GN'R boards history of bullshiters. Danny anyone?

I would imagine with all the money at stake, cancellation insurance etc that the reasons were very specifically written down. I also think, as pointed out elsewhere, that the Maine fire marshalls have better things to do than sue rock stars over semantics.

Obviously you imagine wrong.


The world don't run on faith my man.

Nice to know you practise what you preach.

Nice comeback. Fire Marshals never make reports, they just show up, make threats until the band leaves and then go home.


Except when it's faith that everything from the GNR camp is the total truth, right?

Are you stalking me or what? Just because I give somebody advice don't mean I have to abide by it in every damn post I make. I agree the above reply was a little harsh, I even thought about that while writing it, but sometimes I get tired of repeating myself in an argument. Everybody can slip up, so why don't you give me a break. I try my best to contribute to this forum the best way I can, so I would appreciate not being harrased by the moderators of all people.

Just doing my job.

Beta stops by to give us the compete reason why GNR backed out of the concert and people pick at her grammar.

Just stop.

My vote goes to Beta to write all future GNR press releases. ?She even uses the f-word for some attitude.

I think we misunderstand each other. I believe GN'R was in their right to do what they did, but I also know the firemarshals and other official have the law in their hand on this matter. That's why the press release is, and has to be vague.


I was talking about GN'R having faith in the officials not suing them.


I think this argument is the result of misunderstandings, so let's just drop it. I had trouble understanding your post in context and answered without thinking, for that I appologise.

I know. I just thought you understood I'm not a guy to be worrying about here. But ok, no hard feelings.

Beta's post should be the answer to all the whiners complaining about no explination. Though there is never pleasing some people. Speaking for myself, I appreciate the fact she posted on this board to try to clear up the details surrounding the cancellation. Lets move on and by MSG I expect this to be a dead topic. ( Thank God!)

My vote too. But GNR fans are still waiting for Democracy. ;)

What we've got here is a case of GN'R's past reputation generating pre-conceived beliefs that the show will be a riot or an inevitable disaster.  This band, and for Del's sake, I will stress BAND, is working hard to promote a good image for themselves as reliable and fan friendly.  We often overlook the good things they have done for us this year- they finally brought us a tour in which they have fulfilled almost every commitment without major incidents, they set up special pre-sales for US, they gave us Bumblefoot, who is probably the nicest and most accessible band member of any band with the stature of GN'R, Axl's been in a good mood and has been friendly to many people.  He didn't even knock out Tommy Hilfiger when he should of and had the opportunity to do so.  Regardless of what many think, this band is trying to portray itself as fan-friendly and reliable. 

What it seems to me is that the fire marshal has been sitting around his office reading past stories of incidents that happened in the early 90's, Philadelphia and Vancouver in 2002, and shit like that.  They obviously were upset that GN'R were in town and wanted to make them feel like a felon on Parole who just was released early from prison.  I've seen this on a smaller scale in Chicago 2002 at the Allstate Arena.  I saw more police offers hanging around the arena than I had seen for any other event I had ever been to there.  The reason why?  They expected the Guns fans to act up and for Axl to incite a riot.  If the same crew members didn't experience something like this for more family-friendly acts like Clay Aiken, then I don't blame management for being upset and deciding that they were walking into a set-up. 

These guys are thrilled to be out on the road.  I've ran into several of them while in Puerto Rico two weekends ago.  They are a tame group of rock guys who just want to get out there and rock a crowd.  I trust the announcemnt this time and hope they don't run into other instances of people like this fire marshal trying to judge this band based on incidents that happened years ago. 

GNR is facing the same type of bias The Doors had to deal with after the "Miami Incident" back in 1969. Perhaps to a smaller degree than what Morrison had to contend with back in the day, but same idea.

axl needs to surround himself with better people, someone who can advise him well.  suck it up and play the show.  cut the pyro and don't smoke.  deal with it.  play at a loss for one show moneywise.  you might make it back from those fans in the future.  it was not reasonable for them to cancel this show and if the people around him are telling him it was, god bless the lot of them.  i'm convinced that axl surrounds himself with tards.  the guy has an unreasonable temper and borders on delusional- he needs someone who is a voice of reason.  obviously, he doesn't have one. 

how many people, possibly lost fans are now walking around telling everyone, "axl's an asshole"?  no one wants to hear about the asshole fire marshal.  no doubt the guy was a dick giving them a hard time but you can't just blow off a show coz someone pisses you off and gives you a hard time.  newsflash to axl, people at all jobs all around the world have people who give them a hard time and sometimes make their lives hell.  we don't just quit, we find a way to do our jobs anyway.  he shot himself in the foot on this one. 

If you mean the people who were actually affected (and not pissed because they weren't able to read an updated setlist at midnight) then there are 3000 people, 2800 of which don't leave the woods of Maine...

Do you READ?

Beta said that it was management's call and they called Axl after they decided to cancel it. He was planning on playing the show....

yeah, and axl needs to surround himself with people who make better decisions.  and dude, don't be so naive as to think axl wasn't at least in on the decision.  it's his name and reputation on the line- you think he had no say in the matter.  and don't condescend to me.  i can read.  can you think is the question. 

and you obviously missed the gist of my point- which is:  no matter WHO made the decision or WHOSE fault it is, people are going to look at it and say, there goes axl with another cancelled show, what an asshole (they already say that) and i'm saying, axl should do everything in his power to play the shows that are booked.

well thought out post,  out ta get me

You said...
"newsflash to Axl. people have jobs, blah blah"

Seems like you are saying it is AXL's fault? Well the whole point of this 3 page thread is about Beta's post where she explains that Axl had nothing to do with this.

THANK YOU BETA!!!

And for all that is holy..ignore the majority of these posts in this thread...man....sometimes GnR fans are embarrassing.

We (fans) always bitch we want more information from the band...press releases, etc...we got one PLUS we have Beta explaining things to us and you're still bitchin'! For some of you, NOTHING will make you happy.

Btw...it might be a good idea to show some respect to Beta (in reponse to who said that Axl should surround himself with better people) Regardless if she is the actual poster or not (I'm sure she is), she's been there for Axl for many years, means a lot to him, is a mother figure and should be thanked and respected. Period.

AylaRose

Well, everyone's seen Axl and Merck's response to the Fire Marshall's crap now. Really great stuff.

Any of the mods want to lock this?

Yes sir... I love to lock... and ban...  ;D