Here Today... Gone To Hell!

After watching this news cast with the 2 guys from Popa Roach on it, I think they should get the boot from tour or at the very least a stern talking too..

http://www.wgme.com/NewsWeather/streaming/newsE.shtml

As being fans we must assume the press release is? accurate (yea maybe other factors involved too), PR is working for this tour under GNR, if they are going to place doubt on what GNR stance is on the venue or outcome then they are not needed. You can't have your team players stabbing you in the back.

Why????


Maybe they are more professional in their approach to the music world than you know who.

I don't think any reasonable person believes GNR's reasons for cancelling make sense. He's obviously disappointed, and he has every right. Aren't they leaving the tour soon anyway?

In a way, I can see the original point, as they are the opener, and as such, should represent the tour in a positive light at all times.  Then again, it's obvious that PR have a different perspective on how to approach the business and their fans, and I can't blame them for being letdown.  It's fairly obvious to me that the implication from them is that the reasons given for the cancellation were not adequate.

EXACTLY MY POINT

They were probably making a joke.

That fuckin news shit is biased,
first: what the fuck is up with the old footage?
two: they dont even talk about the fire department?

HAHAHAHAHA

Orteeeeega Orteeeeega :P

I agree with you on that makes no sense

HEHEHEHE
The best post of the day. :hihi: ;D :D :rofl:

 Not even mentioning anything regarding the press release? They did not do their research. Using footage that is over 15 years old proves this point!

No mention of the Worcester show accepting tickets for the Portland show either.

Cant give Papa Roach too much shit for not being happy about the situation. They are worried about the backlash themselves from this. However, no need to throw Axl under the bus. They do have a right to their opinion and have been performing pretty well under this tour. They only have a few dates left with GNR, so it doesnt make any sense whatsoever to kick themn off the tour.

It's from last night, before the press release I'm assuming.

They are right. Look the tour is bombing there is NO new CD and finally he can just put this thing to bed. It is over, you and I both know it, same thing that happened last time.

It seemed like the lead singer was kind of joking around taking it in stride...but the drummer should get bitch-slapped for dissing the band. 

On the Papa Roach front, I was surprised how much I enjoyed seeing the songs I've heard on the radio by them played live.  It reminded me as to why GNR doesn't play more new stuff without an album.  Anyone here who thinks GNR isn't playing enough new stuff is fucking crazy.  If you haven't heard an album on the radio or in a cd player, it just isn't the same.   :peace:

and LasVegas, cut the shit.  it aint over.  the tour is not bombing.  if it was bombing, would they still be so highly rated on Pollstar?  no.  god damn, if you watch that news story, it almost runs like an infomercial for the band.  Worcester's gonna rock.  Mark my words.   :peace:

Im no fan of PR ...but kick them off the tour because they are pissed they didnt get to play?? c'mon, how are people so blind around here.

rockin cities for 25 years  :-X

Good for them for calling it like it is. 

must be part of the publicity campaign, some one once said "there is no such thing a BAD Publicity" LOL

Doing good on Pollstar, DUDE I am in the INDUSTRY are you kidding me on this?? THE WIGGLES rank high when they go on sale. LOOK they sold 3000 out of 6000 seats for the place. Most areanas minus a few a not even half filled. I am not saying the new band nor music is not good, but HE IS AFRAID to put it out for fear of failure and that is the buzz going around now. HE keeps delaying it, NO ONE ELSE.
The tour is a joke anymore and we are all seeing it. I am sorry, I wish they would do better, but they are not. Look face it, so long as he does not put the CD out, people will NOT come.

Get off the Pollstar tip.

They should keep it down, but they do have their own fans to think about here too - it's still a business

I'm gonna take a shot in the dark and say that no one from the band spoke to them directly and left them in the dust with no knowledge - so they got a little pissed here

Papa Roach actually have a decent career -- nothing spectacular, but they have platinum albums and can fill about 3000 seaters in major markets, I think.  As a result, the Guns tour is certainly a good deal for them to increase their audience, but it's not a career breaker by any stretch.  Unlike Bach, they are not in the position where they have to ass-kiss and sugarcoat everything that Guns does.  I respect them for that -- that doesn't mean that they should take empty potshots at the band that gave them an opening slot, but when a gig gets cancelled at the last-minute (and in PR's view it must have not been essential for the gig to be cancelled), it is normal for a band to be bummed about the effect on its fans.  That just seems like consideration 101, and PR at least had some fans going to this show (not many, though!).

POLL STAR has nothing to due with ticket sales people!

Oh, and least the newscast mentioned ticketsales....disappointing.......wish there were more. :(

In no way should they be asked to leave the tour! I would hate to travel all that way, not to play. They are brilliant for saying that...they just want to rock!

I really felt sorry for that blonde girl though, she's no longer a GN'R fan (yeh, like i believe that ::))

Here's what I don't understand:

What time Axl shows up and where he is should have NOTHING to do with Papa Roach whatsoever. They are scheduled to go on "around" 10pm every night. That has nothing to do with GNR. Just show up, do your job and leave. When and where Axl is shouldn't matter to those guys. I can't think of anyone I've come into contact with who even cares that Papa Roach is on this tour so I'm not sure where they got their idea of self importance from anyways.

What self-importance?

Acting as if they matter at all on this tour.

Pappa Roach are a completely forgettable sub-standard run of the mill manufactured "Rock" band.

Avenge Sevenfold were a much better choice.

They do. That's. Why. They. Were. Asked. To. Play.

No. They were asked to play because they are a band signed to a label. Do you know anyone who's excited about seeing Papa Roach on this tour?

You know why?

Because. They. Don't. Matter.

Yeah, like pretending they don't see the elephant in the living room. ?::)

There comments may have been taken out of context, but as others have said, you can't blame them for being pissed. ?


Well they're not increasing their audience if GNR are only drawing 3000 fans, maybe those are the PR fans and GNR isn't drawing anybody. ?:hihi: ?But seriously, I bet PR are thinking that if GNR are driving away as many fans as they're drawing with the late starts and now the no-show, they should be the headliners, not GNR. ?(I'm not saying I agree with that, just that it's a very good bet that thought has crossed their minds).

And again, the Pollstar 'chart' that's being referred to here is NOT a sales chart, it's only an Internet search engine figure. ?People may be looking at the itinerary, but they're not buying tickets. ?The sales are very spotty. ? It's too bad because it's obviously not the music, the reviews are generally great, it's the late nights and the now-realized threat of no-shows. ?

One one hand it will get worse, even fewer people will want to chance buying tickets (thanks to the service charges), but at least now more people may actually realize GNR are touring. ?It's really hard to sell tickets when nobody knows you're playing. ?The lack of fanfare also makes the band seem a lot less important in the eyes of the public and that pushes them down that slippery slope.

i say give Roach the boot. ?bring Buckcherry on board for the remainder of the tour. now that would be one hellofa show... Baz, Buckcherry, GN'R! ? :smoking:

Yes they are. Will they be there at the MSG show ? If so they can just stay quiet for GN'R giving them the opportunity to play a sold-out MSG.

I MADE THAT VIDEO THEY PLAYED FOR WELCOME IN THE JUNGLE. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8037676992851127221&q=Guns+N%27+Roses

WTF?! Can I get a royalty or something from that?!

hahaha ok

papa roach just need to chill out.  i am sure they could be easily replaced.

WTH is doing a mediocre lil band like Papa roach in this tour, give Roach the boot!  :smoking:

buckcherry is actually a good choice.   Their album just went gold, which is impressive in this market.

Papa Roach are fucking lame.

I think that they have only a few dates left on tour anyways, right?

Why throw them off the tour?  They are right.

Yep they're totally right.  They kept it civil too.  What happenened to playing your ass off for 1 or 100,000 people.  Who gives a fuck if the venue was gonna be half full you get your ass up there and play.  He never even left the Jersey area.  Fuck that. 

Those are not facts

if they didn't play cause of how many tickets were sold then GNR is fucking lame.

the fire marshall thing seems kind of stupid if they couldn't do it remove pyro from the show?

but knowing Axl if he can't do what he wants he will tell them to fuck off. specially if GNR is getting singled out. which is fine I guess.

First Papa Roch may have said much more in the interview and it was just endited together that way.  THis would not surprise me.  However they should have just said we have nothing to do with mamangment desissions and left it at that. 

They should be kicked off but that would probably create more of a bad press nightmare.

Im glad they said what they said. I dont think what they said was that bad, but it sure is nice to see them not kissing Axl's ass like a lot of people seem to do.

And they probably know more about the situation than we do, they probably know the real reason why it was cancelled, and judging by that interview im guessing they thought it was BS as well.

This is why GNR will never be the biggest band on the planet again

3,000 tickets?


WOW that is horrible

Whatever dude.  What do you expect with no album and no promotion..... ::)

And who's fault is that??

i think papa roach's comments were taken out of context...you have to see the whole interview with them....

PR shouldn't be asked to leave, they are just part of crowd that is in the unknown.  They are touring with a rock band so they should expect the unexpected.


The fans, word of mouth is the best promotion of all.? GnR and management did enough by saying it will be out by the end of the year.

Everyone is counting their chickens before they are hatched by saying GnR and the tour is bombing.? How can you say they are over with before the CD even comes out?? Logic people, it isn't a hard concept.? I bet that these same people will be like "oh, I was just kidding about the tour and cd when I said it was going to bomb. I supported GnR 100% of the time. I believed in their tactics all the way."? Remember 7 Tuesdays left before the end of the year. That means only 1-7 weeks left that your statements have any credablility left to them. haha

"They probably know the real reason."  wtf?  MahiMahi, you're the kind of negative fuck Axl spoke of in Puerto Rico. 

How the hell is it "kissing Axl's ass," when we reserve judgement until the facts come out?

Papa Roach AND that news station can suck my BALLS!!!

wow!  jacoby shaddix is the phoniest, douchiest "artist" on the planet!  anyone remember what he looked like a couple years ago?  see how he has that sweet emo (or whatever the hell you call it) haircut?  his music has always sucked, now it sucks even more and he's making himself look even more foolish by trying to look like my chemical romance.   :rofl:

Wait, was this really the lead story on the 11 o'clock news??  Slow news day in Portland?  You'd think there was a riot or something.

what do we expect? how about an album and promotion?

Papa Roach should leave because they fucking suck.

man they killed in jersey. i really like the new cd also. and yes msg is their last night on the tour

They should have been kicked off the tour for being a shitty band, not for talking smack.

I gotta disagree somewhat Axl4prez

They may be high on Poll star but where are the ticket sales?  Pollstar doesnt count very much in my opinion.

Thing is, When Axl pulls shit like this, it makes people skeptical and afraid to go to the concerts which is what explains the low ticket sales.

An all time great band like GNR should have no problem selling close to full capacity, especially with such an epic comeback.

Axl's antics scare people away from the ticket office.

People think that just cause u get a refund, that makes it ok.

Think about time u take off work, babysitters, gas money, hotel money, food money

that adds up and u dont get a refund on that.

I don't think you can blame Papa Roach for being upset, especially if they were not part of making the decision to cancel, which they obviously weren't.  It was GNR's call.  Those guys wanted to play a show.  It's GREAT exposure for them being on the road with GNR, they want to take advantage of it for as long as they can.  I think the fact that this is their last week on the tour (isn't it?) lets them free to voice their opinion.  IF they were on the bill for the remainder I don't think they would've been so vocal.

My point is do you think Sebastian Bach would give his "real" opinion on the situation if Axl was in the wrong?? Fuck no he wouldnt, at least Papa Roach is giving their "honest" opinion and not just sitting back and thinking they cant say anything because it is "Axl's" tour.

Like I said, so many people around here and in general WILL NOT admit when Axl is in the wrong, they rufuse too, and IMO its pathetic. Im not saying Axl was in the wrong in this situation because I honestly dont know, but im guessing PR does know the entire reason behind this and judging by that interview im guessing they dont agree with Axl or management or whoever cancelling it.

Wrong, its not the "fans" job to promote this tour, what kinda stupid shit is that??

Its management and the record company's job to promote it. If it fails it is their fault, and nobody elses.

There is no All time great band making a comeback...  It's just Axl... The rest of the all time great band left his ass.

They are not filling out all the arenas, its an uphill battle with no new material on the radio to promote. This tour so far is attracting the diehard fans and the curious. With that said, I think they are doing pretty well considering. We'll see what the future brings........with the right promotion ( whatever that is going to be) and new music GNR will be huge again. But not yet.

Ever seen the new band live?

D, we've got to remember that this tour is being done with no album and no promotion. ?Yes, it sucks balls the show was cancelled, but what can we do? ?Do I blame Axl? ?No. ?Do I blame the pr/marketing guys/gals behind the band? ?Yes. ?This band needs exposure. ?They are so fucking good it's insane. ?If the whole country saw what these guys can do, I'd be happy. ?

If I'm not mistaken, didn't a Rolling Stones fan just sue that band for over $60 million due to a no-show??? ?GNR best be careful.

Someone posted a little while ago that if they just had a reunion, all the shows would sell out. ?In my opinion, not only would the shows sell out...Axl would be in my eyes a "sell-out." ?GNR 2006. ?CD's coming out this year and it will be amazing. ?Worcester, Mass. and MSG are coming this week. ?The sky is not falling...GNR is unpredictable and a bit fucking nuts...just hold on until this week is through. ? :peace:





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Im sure things will go better once CD is released but They are gonna have to do a better job once Cd comes out or its gonna be a major flop.

I worry that Axl is gonna release it with no promotion or anything that way he can have a Cop out if it fails, someone to blame....... the record label fucked the promotion angle.....



I dont think u should ever disappoint your fans.

3,000 people were ready to have one of the most amazing nights of their lives and to be left hanging is just unacceptable. 

A great performer, I wont say his name for fear of bashing but he said on Larry King Live:

Whether I am in front of 100,000 people or the 5 people in this studio,Im gonna give my very best everytime I perform.


Like I said earlier, Id rather hear GNR give a mediocre show than have them cancel and get no show at all.

yes

D, I'll give you that.  But honestly, you'd have to agree, Axl, when he shows up to a show, gives 110%.  I was in Jersey 2 nights ago and the performances were great.  I hate to be cynical, but damn, it's as if audiences need marketers and public relations people to get people really into a show.  That sucks balls.

Hopefully, we'll hear more about this.  It's been almost 4 years since Philly, and there still hasn't been an adequate explanation.  I don't know what else to say.

You know how good they are then. It is kind of a comeback, but at the same time a new band which is better than anything out there right now.

 To me Axl is GNR, but not everyone agrees with that statement.

It appears that Axl has a high standard that he does not want to stray from.

My .02 cents.

Well it wouldn't be a TRUE GN'R tour without a cancellation or some negative twisted turn in events now would it?  GN'R will be fine, and the album will be out soon..just keep the patience..I know how hard it is damn it but we gotta do it.

I saw Papa Roach open and I'm def. a fan now.  Great performance, great music, and closed with Last Resort so I see nothing wrong with them being on tour with GN'R.

No they really weren't. This was in 02.. I admit Axl was great but the rest of the band came accross as a joke.. Numchuck solo? Giving out toys?  The band was blah too.  I had seen the original band 3 times before that and this was nowhere close to that caliber..