Here Today... Gone To Hell!

www.bravewords.com (http://www.bravewords.com)

GUNS N' ROSES - Chinese Democracy Release Date Leaked
Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 at 07:09:49


Two different BW&BK sources have indicated that Universal Records will release the long awaited new GUNS N' ROSES album, Chinese Democracy, on November 21st. Apparently, the label has put together a big surprise marketing campaign to promote the disc. Cover artwork and finalized tracklisting to follow.


wouldnt surprise me..

If this gets deleted, I guess we can bank on this being true   8)

oh please. ::)

Hope this is true... CD AND Motorhead gig! Be the best day this year for me :peace:

But I aint holding my breath :no:

You know what stands out is that it says Universal Records is releasing it, Instead of Guns N' Roses. I take that a little more seriously because if it is out of Axl's hands, its in the companies hands and Axl can't pull it.

Yeah, two sourxes and they quote Universal as opposed to Geffen, does sound promising, wonder what the two sources were?

Jonx

OMG, another Nov. 21st rumor.

It's never frickin' happening...  :rant:

you dont know that... perhaps management shot it down so we wouldnt htink it would come on that day, and then BOOM cd is on that day

sounds unlikely, but: in the last weeks there were many rumors but Merck denied only the 21st - so maybe you are right

It's not happening man. They'd push the fucker back, before they'd release it when they were forced to.

Two of the authors friends who heard about the RS article.. ?

bravewords has sources in the industry.... everyone plays this off, but theyve been right before... they were right about the sammy Van halen reunion..

most probably...we shall see soon enough though...

well - is this true? they were the only ones that knew about the reunion?

Well, the Harley ad with the song "Better" will be officially released soon.
I think this is the biggest sign we have that the album IS coming out this time. Plus, all the rumours around as well.
If it does come out before Christmas I will buy 3 copies.

?? before it happened they said sources tell them that vh was going to reunite with sammy for a world tour... they did reunit with sammy..

As I said in the other thread, I can't fathom how these monolithic national chains have no promo material....You'd think that shelf space and promo space for the holidays has been accounted for.

something tells me they are right..i hope ;)

Off topic i know but they are now reformed with DLR, anything is possible in the world of rock music...just ask Kiss.

doesn`t sound too far fetched right?

i`m not holding my breath, but i`m quite positive...

Alright guys this date has been said so many times now i really do believe this is the date this is going to come out.  One thing to keep in mind in the RS article merek when asked about the date said he wouldn't confirm it.  He didn't say it wasn't happening.



HAtts

it sounds promising...lets just hope its true  : ok:

Maybe they arent focusing on the CD stores, lots of people in the industry are saying that the CD is dying or dead. If it is coming out in 2 weeks then promo is either going to be stupidly heavy at some point in the next 2 weeks so that everyone who wants to know about it will know about it via other means, TV, Radio, Internet etc. Or they wont do any promo at all and it will just show up in stores and it will be in their interest to make space on the shelves!

Jonx

I thought merck said that RS picked the WRONG tuesday?

That is what Jarmo said in regards to the date.


Hatts

In that article
The date was the 28th
Not the 21st.

Splash

/Mike

what article?? I just read the bravewords.. it says 21st..

21st? Not cool Axl, leeching off Gilby's newfound success  :P

They were referring,
To an article
From a month ago.

Splash

/Mike

No, that one said the 21st also.


 :-\ errr, actually it's more like:

No, that one
said the 21st
also.

14 days. 14 fuckin' days!

Does anybody know if this issue is discussed on any other musical message boards that don't "spin" around GNR in particular?
21st yes or no or maybe? Is it interresting for the average music fan at all? If so, then isn't that some kind of "heavy promotion" ?
So many different sources claim that the 7th or 21st will be the day and on the other hand is Merck who keeps denying this date..

That itself is a kind of promotion fo me because while people discuss it the news spread all over the internet. And i bet that a lot of people will take a walk to their local record dealer on november 21st no matter if we'll get an announcement or not ! Just out of curiosity.

Up to now it is like: Ok, the cd will come out some day in the near future. Anything else is not clear . It's like waiting for the monthly pay check that is heavilly delayed. You expect it any day

Ok guys no one knows for sure whats going on.. its obvious that Axl isnt saying anything for definate just yet. That makes me think hes looking at suprising us. I just wish people would stop moaning either way, its not going to make it any quicker and its not going to change anything. Axl has his own mind right?
Anyway..it is possible that it could be 21st. It might not be but what the hell!
My thoughts are that something is happening behind the scenes:

1. Portland cancelled for whatever reason, Axl wasnt in Portland and hes been getting around by plane. Maybe he had a few loose ends to tie up elsewhere..'Universal'?

2. Universal are possibly making sounds, few rumours coming from there, funny how thats soon after the cancelled gig me thinks?

3. I reckon Harley Davidson have signed up for 'Better but were meant to use PD until later in November..maybe someone there slipped up and thats why it was changed so soon after.

Id love to hear this CD as much as anyone else but guys we just have to hold on to our ride a little longer and what will be will be.. we cant change it! Im greatful that GnR have given me 2 great gigs this year and if their not selling out in the states then its the fans loss because they are fucking awesome live.. I say, buy as many tickets as you can and enjoy the show! ?:beer: :beer:

I am starting to think this is the date, and that is the first time I have said that.

Don't get your hopes up.

Y quien sos vos???   Un sandinista mas???

Funny...

bravewords is usually VERY credible... they wouldnt put this out there without right info...

is it no coincidence that Merck shot down that date?? if it was a secret why would he deny it??? why werent the dates on HMV denied or confirmed??

Oops!  My bad.  Sorry.
Oh, haiku meter for each verse
is 5/7/5.   ;D :peace:

Splash

/Mike

There's a small thread over on the Download Festival forums in the music news section....some of the posts are positive others are stupidly negative (ie. they're pre-judging the album based on the antics of Axl)....so it's much like here :P

This has been my theory for a long time and I've said it many times already. The 21st is the only "release date" that someone had gone out of their way to deny and that IS THE ONLY ONE. So why would Merck say that the 21st is the wrong Tuesday but not say it for any of the countless other days we have been talking about??  If it wasn't the 21st, what would be the point in him even telling us we were wrong?? Wouldn't he want us to speculate on the wrong date until it's announced?? I'm still going with the 21st as the most likely day for release and it's also the smartest.

Its also the last tue cd can be released to be out for black friday (the biggest shopping day of the year)

Which is EXACTLY why I think it would still be the smartest move on their part. The 21st has a ton of huge releases that day and I think that can only help the sales of CD.  There will be a lot of people going to stores on that Tuesday to pick up cd's and the more people that are there, the more people likely to buy the album (Obviously). Then 3 days later it's Black Friday and Saturday and Sunday are pretty busy shopping days themselves.

I hope this is true.

what is "BW&BK" ?

Brave Words and Bloody Knuckles. I think it's just their magazine... Go to Bravewords.com, which is linked in the first post of this thread.

ok thanks alot man

Jay-Z's CD, which was supposed to be out the 21st was delayed...

Seems to me that was done especially to slide Chinese Democracy in that slot..

when is jay z's cd coming out now?

so if it does come out that date, thats a tuesday, which is ok for you guys over in the US, when will the uk get a copie, a day early or 6 days late?

I think it was pushed back to the 28th. I'm not sure though. I just know it was delayed.

I know what you mean, but Merck probabily denied the 21st because it wasn't just some random internet source, but the Rolling Stone magazine.

if there is any validity to this rumor, I would expect jarmo to have deleted it already.  unless management thinks that would be a total giveaway...

this shit is silly.  i can't wait for the album to come out and all of this silliness will be done

yea any rumor about a realease date instantly goes into a 10 page thread. We need this album out or were all gonna go insane

The day is coming,
14 days until he is back;
We need some patience

/Nick

Sorry that was poor.

if management deleted it, it would be a total giveaway...

agreed

once the album is in our hands we will enjoy it, analyze it, rock out to it. no more of this waiting, no more dumb threads, etc cant wait

i'll believe it when i see it.i'll be shocked if i see it in stores on the 21st.

I doubt they are moving Jay-Z's big release back because of Chinese Democracy...... lol

wow, i thought for sure it was gonna come out on dec 5 but nov 21st is even better!

people are saying "next week"

which people?

Jonx

people are guessing on every tuesday from now til 12-26.

ramdom people
I don?t start to asking questions like "where did you hear that?" because I?m familiar with GNR world and rumors fly, but just yestarday I heard from 3 or 4 people that "them heard from someone else" (a friend?s friend maybe?), but I just let it be like "let?s see"... and I?m in Brazil

bravewords.com has removed this item from their website:
http://www.bravewords.com/news/54453

So was it false, or did management "ask" them to remove it?

I consider it a good sign. Things that are true like to be removed.

so? :hihi: : ok: :yes: :yes: :nervous: :confused:............



definitely :beer: :drool:?

who knows?  I emailed them earlier about the tracklisting and artwork, but haven't received a response.  does anyone want to email and ask why this item was taken off of the site?

We'll see on the 21st why he denied it...

done

I wonder if the date pissed managment off, or maybe the thought of tracklist and artwork being leaked?

i would think that a tracklisting and artwork leaking would be excellent promotion.  just imagine how excvited people would be.  they might even get some free press at rolling stone or wherever.

'leaks' always garner free press. 

It wouldn't have been removed if it was completely false. Like I said before, GN'R would want us to speculate on a false date. There would be no reason to remove it if it was false. The way things have been going when November 21st is mentioned anywhere, is making it a little odd. 

fingers crossed.

How long does it take to press the CD and ship it? ?If that process takes more than 2 weeks (which I'm not sure of), then it is not coming out on the 21st. ?I'm sure the album will leak when it goes to press.

Did a tracklisting and artwork leak or what are you guys talking about??

But then why is this thread not deleted yet?

GUNS N' ROSES - Chinese Democracy Release Date Leaked
Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 at 07:09:49


Two different BW&BK sources have indicated that Universal Records will release the long awaited new GUNS N' ROSES album, Chinese Democracy, on November 21st. Apparently, the label has put together a big surprise marketing campaign to promote the disc. Cover artwork and finalized tracklisting to follow.

Who knows, but maybe they are thinking that if this is deleted, it will be a dead giveaway....

buit on the otherhand, maybe it was based on a bad source so it was removed from bravewords.

I think this uncertainty is what management is after, because it keeps us talking.

Oh yeah, thanks. Forgive me, I just woke up a little bit ago and am eating breakfast. IT would be fucking great to see that tracklisting though.

I'm excited to see this "big surprise marketing campaign"

because it has been denied as true. quit roooooonin my fun...:P

UK always gets albums on the day before. Which means, if the release date is true, I should be able to get my hands on a copy on the 16th/17th of November.

a 3 day blitz

Its no secret management reads the boards, i bet they contacted the sites to delete it : ok: :hihi:

If it does come out before Christmas I will buy one copy, no more no less.  :-*

I should've mentioned the others will be for Christmas presents!

It will be released for my B-Day 22 november? :D?



...:drool:

this could be good news with it being deleted from the site...but let's not get our hopes up.......( :drool:)

November 21st is the "huge day for GNR and the band doesn't even know it and we can't tell you" thing we heard about. Now this makes sense.


Novemeber 21st is the huge marketing campagin and whatever special thing they are doing to promote the album.  Then December comes a release right before Christmas.

I pray to God that this website is right.

look : http://www.metacritic.com/music/upcomingreleases.shtml  : ok:

I am so crossing my fingers now :P

How about that...after 10 years I think I'm finally starting to believe it.

i wrote an email and blind carbon copied it to every email address on bravewords.com ( :hihi:)

I basically asked why they had taken down the news item, and when we can expect to see the leaked tracklist and artwork.  I haven't heard a thing back from anyone yet, and it's been at least 4 or 5 hours now, so I'm assuming they were threatened by management and told not to respond to any inquiries.

now, I'm not a lawyer, but I wouldn't think it would be illegal for them to post the release date online, would it?  I don't see how GNR could make any legal threats.

That has been there since the RS rumor surfaced...

well, how reable is this list.. GnR has been listed on realeaselists the last 5 years... Is this any different?

notice that there are no releases after the dec.19th date.
does anyone know if albums ever get released in that period?

True, but forgive me for being optimistic...this Nov. 21st rumor is the first that I've chosen to believe ever and I've been waiting a loooooooong time just like everyone else. I find most of the speculating pointless...this time I think they're onto something with the 'rush release blitz' campaign.

Earlier on, Martin emailed back with the following:


It's a denial response, but it appears that as we get closer to the 21st we'll start seeing more websites letting the cat out of the bag. : ok:

I believe in the 21st.

Yeah, man!
Dont get me wrong! Im as optimistic as you! Trust me! Im know there is more aroma in the
air then ever before! I really belive November or december will be the month for a release.
And the November 21th date is a pretty good guess right now! But i just wonder, what kind of
website this is. If its reable? I dont know. Im excited about the date myselfe, because all the buzz
about it. And it beeing mentioned here and there..
I would like to see it pop up on interscopes or geffens site.. Lets just cross or fingers mate! ?: ok:

Universal is releasing it. Not GNR. GNR

I only feel the aroma of shit so far.
I dont see nov.21st happening.

it's 2 weeks away. record stores would have known by now.

Yeah, if record stores are indeed the first places to have it. But like has been rumored before, perhaps an iTunes launch is in order. Didn't GNR pioneer some ticketless or print-at-home system for one of their concerts this year? Just like Brian May said, Axl is Rosa Parks. or something.

sounds fishy.. id guess that management found out and told them to take it down...

Yes, Cheers...

And of course I'm skeptical too. I'm guessing that website isn't reliable, but at the same time, the date makes perfect sense for all the reasons that have already been discussed - Black Friday timing, etc.

Everyone that's saying it's strategically impossible is forgetting that this is the most unconventional record pretty much ever. Everyone knows it won't meet conventional expectations even with the highest degree of promotion, so dropping it with minimal warning makes the most sense to me. It'll be all over the news, that's about as much free publicity as they could hope for at this point.

I don't think Merck would say 'you might walk in one Tuesday and find it' if that wasn't his plan. It's not a manager's job to lie/fuck with the public. They have something special/unique cooked up. My bet is on the 21st until Nov 22nd comes around and the CD isn't there.

Mysteron confirmed that statement from Merck was sarcasm, so it's really no point speculating on it.

Thats effing retarded 2 weeks left for 21st. If it come out it'll be in December for sure.

its been said over and over, the website IS credible... very credible actually.... its not like some random site.. they usually get their facts straight before posting stuff...

why does everything with GNR have to be a big god damn secret. its getting to the end of the year. and i can see keeping ppl guessing when it was september or october. But its Novemeber now. Its about time GNR just give the release date away.

I agree for some reason 21.11.06 always seemed like a real date(it is the date always resurfacing, the date everyone always seems to be talking about) where ther is smoke there is fire. This won will be one of the biggest forest fires ever.....I can't fuckin' wait......fact that the Harley thread and this not being deleted aleready is great promise ..........

I'm a beleiver.

CK

I'm not doubting the websites credibility, but it seems odd to me that they would be the only ones getting the information.

Don't bitch to GNR, Bitch to Universal...

In fairness, if this is true.... Rolling Stone got the information over a month ago. ;D

This thread would be gone...I sincerely doubt Jarmo has the patience to play games for the sake of a "fakeout."  Could be wrong, but my gut reaction is that if there were a modicum of truth to this, it'd be in the shitter.

I'm so excited and stoned I can't even type anymore ?:peace:

I love you all

why?? isnt that why management told the site to take it down???

the only reason Jarmo deleted that stuff was because management told him to...

Thread heaven? :hihi:

It's not the same thing as the RS article. That one had quotes from managment, and that seems to be the red thread in the deleting around here.

http://www.drownedinsound.com/articles/1258736

Is that article known to people on the board?
It mentions the Nov 21st release date, and hasn't been deleted!

So now it is a given at any point that because management asks a site to remove something, it must be true?  By that logic then, the fact that Jarmo has not taken this down must indicate that this thread is, in fact, NOT true.  Perhaps management asked them to remove it because it was false and misleading...Then again, maybe not....hmmm...

That's an interesting point that I wish I'd seen prior to the last response I gave.  In any case, if the common thread running through deleted threads is comments from management, why was the Harley Press release deleted multiple times yesterday, while containing no quotes from any related parties?

There's two answers to that one. The mods on this page had been told to delete any thread about the HD ad since the prior incident. Jarmo is on vacation so they just did what they thought was right, but as you can see, we can talk about it now.

The other answer is, conscerning the last HD incident. Then they had prematurley put up the ad with Better on it, a song not yet released. I think that was the reason for what happened then, and since. Managment is trying to cover their ass, and prevent unreleased music from reaching the public.

in fairness....   this was reported from lots of "news outlets" over the last month...  most of which probably just relied on the rolling stone article.... anyways...  this is definitely a realistical date :peace:

i'm optimistic, but has anyone come up with a realistic scenario in which this kind of release is possible? how it can get to stores, remain secret, where itunes comes in... the speculation is great, and where there's a will there's a way, but i was wondering if anyone can think how.

well, if they don't release a date and just ship it out, we'll find out when some kid at best buy opens a box and finds a shitload of new GNR cds...

haha... yeah that's kind of what i was thinking. wondering how close to the release date tuesday a CD can arrive in stores. either way this coupled with the HD announcement is very encouraging.

shipments usually arrive on the thursday or friday before release.  So we could find out on the 16th or 17th. 

but another board member (i can't recall who) was saying that in special cases shipments can arrive on mondays before release.  not sure if there's any truth to that?

Cheers for clearing that up....Now, then, what's your take on this latest situation?

Given EVERYTHING about CD is unconventional, budget,time to complete, 2 CD Tours without the album dropping, lack of presale info, lack of release date.

Why oh Why would anybody expect the info that leaks/rumours to be taken seriously or not. ?or in speach that you'll understand.

"What we've got here is failure to
communicate.
Some men you just can't reach...
So, you get what we had here last week,
which is the way he wants it!
Well, he gets it!
N' I don't like it any more than you men."

 The bottom line is it will drop if or when  it does - not a moment sooner. ?: ok:

forget about the itunes...
itunes is for nerds.
most people dont use itunes, and never will.

not everybody, everywhere is a technogeek.

Actually, I think iTunes is for people who think they are technogeeks. And eMule and BitTorrent are for nerds... :)


But, who got the first chance to get tickets to the GNR concerts? The nerds (me included) on these message boards did...

iTunes makes some sweet coin, so I assume a lot of people use it.

actually..... eMule, BitTorrent, (and all that crap) is for people who think they're technogeeks.  IRC is for the real nerds   ;D

ah, rats! i was going for mass appeal. touche.

If Apple released a wristwatch, Mac users would think that Steve Jobs invented the concept of time.

edit: and to be fair, perhaps it could then be argued that Steve Jobs improved the concept of time.

You mean this?

Two different BW&BK sources have indicated that Universal Records will release the long awaited new GUNS N' ROSES album, Chinese Democracy, on November 21st. Apparently, the label has put together a big surprise marketing campaign to promote the disc. Cover artwork and finalized tracklisting to follow.

At face value it does not seem like anything else than the usual rumors we get fed not too long after we get some information. But since this is said to be a reliable source with a good history, I don't know. I guess it could be possible, but to release something in that way is just something I've never experienced before.

If we assume getting it out that early is possible, then yes, I believe it.

That may have been the dumbest thing I've heard on this board.  Itunes is not for "tech geeks"  it's pretty easy to figure out and it's probably the coolest gadget ever to come into the music industry. 

suprise marketing?  :o

this is GNR tho... a band whos been working on an album for 13years, spent 13million dollars... not your typical band

I've been saying so since 2003. I will be right.

I hear you, but no matter how special you are, there are some factors you simply can't get around. Time will tell I guess.

Brave Words and Bloody Knuckles is a great mag  - they are usually in the ballpark on all their rumours.  There are tons of insiders around these guys in Canada and Internationally.  Hopefully they are right, but if they are not - I will continue to sing the praises of this integrity-based mag.

Iv just got it!!! the record stores wont need warning.

The album will actually be in a jay z cover!! so they all stack it up thinking they know what it is.

Secretly Jay z and snoopy dog are roped up in axls garage.

Heard it from me first

Letting a GN'R rumor destroy your credibility would be silly, yes :hihi:

as the usual rumors go, i think this and everything else is bullshit.

until we hear something directly from GNR management, i wont believe anything and neither should u guys. simple as that. :hihi:

well then you better start waiting :hihi: gnr managements not gonna tell you anything :hihi:

And even if they did, no one would believe them :hihi:

o the horror!! we'll see, im just sick of seeing all these release date rumors from blabbermouth.com etc. that amount to absolutely nothing and get some people excited.  the only really credible source we've ever gotten a release date from is rolling stone but we cant talk about that. and as that date approaches its getting less and less likely as well.

and this is bravewords.com not blabbermouth... what i find interesting is they say that cover art/tracklisting to follow :hihi:

yea, but unfortunately I doubt they will be posting the tracklisting or artwork on there  :'(

do you guys think they have the tracklist and the coverart and there afraid to post it due to management or do you think there informants have seen it and told them about it

No, they probably assume that if the record is released Nov 21st or anytime soon, all sites will have it, so they are just saying that. I doubt they have it, and other sites don't, but hell-who knows....
Is this site repatable?

it could be either, nobody knows yet.. i think
did someone try to email them?

i cant  even see this article on the site!

I think they have it, but that's pure speculation based on the statement they made and the reputation of the site

They took it off I believe...maybe management contacted them and told them the date was junk.

i hope they have it because if we see that alone then we can bury anyones speculation that the album still is unfinished

I doubt it.  more likely management threatened them with a lawsuit.  I wrote an email and sent it BCC to every email on the site asking why it was removed, and not a single response, which means that they've all been told not to talk about this with anyone.  someone else did send an email earlier in the day and got a response, so definately someone told them all to be quiiet  ::)

or management contacted them with a cease and desist for distributing unauthorized information. if they really are planning a surprise attack media blitz, the last thing they want is to get scooped by a semi-reputable source.

its a pretty repatable site...

I agree. If they discovered that their information was incorrect, then a follow-up story or an edit of the original story should have been written ("RETRACTED: Guns N' Roses Chinese Democracy Release Date Leaked") explaining the circumstances under which they learned that the original article was indeed false.

But that's not what happened...

Their previous articles about the release of Chinese Democracy, which have turned out to be false, are still there:

http://www.bravewords.com/news/39845

if it turns out that sites are being threatened or otherwise "encouraged" to remove these articles, then i'd suggest that this Chinese Democracy adopt a Bill of Rights... soon :)

the reason i feel this rumor has the potential of being true is because so many different wensites and media outlets have reported on it. Maybe im being a little nieve but im hoping that for once one of these rumors is true

Consider though - the source on that article was supposedly "Slash" and they did pre-warn the reader.

I think what he's saying is that the old & incorrect articles are still on the site, so the news item posted this morning probablly wasn't pulled because management contacted them and told them the date was incorrect.

I think its obvious that management threatened them, and told them to take it off the site

The internet doesn't work like HTGTH. I don't see why they would be afraid of mgmt (unless they're the source and removed the news out of 'respect').

but then again harley removed the better ad and replaced it with paradise city because of mangement

The music business usually honors requests because they need each other. It's like a friend telling you to keep a secret.

well, apparently the same information was confirmed by two different sources. I guess one or both could've been management.

I just find it weird that they won't respond to any emails or anything, it's almost like they were threatened with a lawsuit.  I just can't see how it would be illegal to post a release date on a website.

i just wish the website would either say there sources were wrong or just respond to our emails and say they can't respond to our questions regarding the album ( which will mean that management have told them they will sue or something along those lines)

That's because GNR and HD are partners, and they have a contract signed.

Bravewords is press. They can't be sued for posting news or rumours.

In this case, it sounds like GN'R is planning a surprise blitz ad campaign. I'm sure they would consider it "damage" to their strategy if everyone saw this article or if it spread to major news sources like the AP, etc. before GN'R wants it to.

One can than assume that management would ask the site to take it down. The site, being media, can deny such a request like rolling stone obviously did . It seems to me GNR asked the website to take it down till they make an official announcement and the website complied with that request.? :smoking:

I don't see what the big deal is about a release date being such a big secret. Who gives a fuck?! If its out on the 21st of November then that's good, they should just leave it at that. Why retract the statement? What's the big secret, its only a fuckin' album. We've waited long enough...Does my bloody head in to be honest...we're still gonna buy the album, why keep the fans in the dark?

I definitely aggree there.. management makes it seem like its nuclear secrets their leaking or something :rofl:

when the album does come out i wouldnt be surprised if merck comes to my house and takes the cd away from me :rofl:

LOL yeah, maybe it'll self destruct after it's played once. Don't get it wet or feed it after midnight either

i think this is a good looking rumour as well. And yeah, its not like the world is going to stop when they announce/release the album...

Did anybody receive any reply when they emailed this site on details of the news story's removal?

At first I laughed when I read this, then I took a moment to consider the events of the past few months and all I could do was get this look on my face  :-\ ....and ask myself "Why am I not laughing anymore?"   

It'll probably come out the 21st in a cd case with full cover art, you open it up and instead of the CD it's a piece of paper saying NEVER BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ..there are still 5 tuesdays left.

That would piss off A LOT of people. It may even incite a riot at Best Buy!

Well, now you made me do this :rofl:

That's why they're keeping an eye on these boards. Our IPs are written down so they can track us.

A surprise CD release would be unprecedented and is highly unlikely.

However, as a FedEx employee I see CD's, video games, promo materials going priority overnight (by 10:30 am next day) all the time.

2 cases of CD's and a box of posters to every record store in the nation is NOT a huge task.

after all these years it makes perfect sense for him just to put it out in the store without any warning....i really cant imagine them having a normal release date or doing anything normal at all for that matter....makes sense to me

My guess is there will be no hullabaloo. No matter how awesome this album may be the reviewers will stay, "man it rocked! but 13 years?". So why build the hype? 

In order to get over the whole 13 year thing, Axl should release albums every 6 months from now on for the next 5 years to show how hard he was working at making so much music. Then it would all make sense.

Well they say there are one or two additional albums that will most likely follow after the release of the initial cd so hopefully they will be in a short timeframe

Once again, people's comments and thoughts about the release of the album, hype, promo etc etc is all very valid and justified but as grog mug, savedsol, JohnSDMF stated, the thing has been so unconventional, so mysterious, so cryptic etc over the years that you can't imagine the release of the album will be as expected as the very first timeframe for release of the album was initially, following the release of TSI?.. I'd say this is going to come with either little, almost-no, or a sudden-blast-of promotion with no previous notice or confirmation..

ok i only read some of the post and i really hope nov 21 is the released date

The longer this thread gets, the more people will be counting down these next 14 days.

has anyone gotten thier emails responded to yet or what

I wouldn't be suprised if we see some Guns n Roses posters popping up in about a week, like a teaser for the album. That's if the 21st IS the real release date. If not, I'm hoping something will be announced on the 21st, even if it is just the beginning of a week (PLEASE be just a week) long marketing campaign.

nope... its all fishy how it got taken down, and now they wont answer emails about it...

im sticking with the cd cming out the November 21

LOL I would love that....  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yesterday morning Martin Popoff sent me this:


It appears like management got to them.

I'm guessing posts are being taken down on different sites because management has a plan to promote this thing with an element of surprise.  They don't want to ruin it by having the release date posted up everywhere....just have a little more "ppaaaatienncee" and everything will be alright.

that would be crazy  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

the "surprise campaign" makes sense... think about how many people you've told "chinese democracy is coming out on xx/xx/xx."  I guarantee every one of them said, "yeah right!"  If gn'r did actually give an official release date, no one would believe them anyway!!!!  : ok:

Agreed!

I finally did. They reiterated that their two sources are very reliable, but that the label is being extra careful in case a couple more trips to the studio makes a significantly better album. So they, in turn, pulled the article since-- while it seems that the label expects to release on the 21-- anything can happen when the concept of time and GNR collide. (paraphrased... I have the e-mail at work)

"And if we had the track list or cover art, trust me, you would have seen it." (pretty sure this is verbatim; made an effort to remember it)

this still could happen because they did say suprise marketing campaign and supposedly the better ad is premering the 19th. It could be a coincidence but i hope not

I hope its true! Screw the marketing, just get the damn thing out as soon as possible. I don't care who else knows its out or wants to buy it. It doesn't matter to me any anymore, the more I think about it I just really don't care what kind marketing they do. As long as we know when the album's out, whether thats the day of or 3 weeks before, who cares?? I just want to buy it as soon as possible.? :smoking:

lol yea i dont care about marketing either i just want it out

just imagine...in 1 week, ChiDem could be out...imagine if it did come out next week and we look back to what we were thinking today...completely in the dark... :drool:

oh man...next wk better fuckin happen.

I posted this somewhere else already... I've been living on the forums lately. I can't wait to have this album!

I think the CD release is another form of the way the live show unfolds... you're standing there, getting more anxious by the minute... thinking "shit, if they haven't gone on yet, they may never go on"... no matter how logical it is beforehand that, "OK, they're going to go on late in the night; they always do," you still get paranoid at the show. maybe angry. actually, at least a little angry. "Should I go get another drink, or do I stick around because I got a sweet spot to watch the show from?"

then.... bam! the lights are out and you hear WTTJ, and not only is all forgiven, but the release of all that built up anxiety gets you pumped in way you wouldn't had been if you weren't getting pissed off with every passing minute.

i was in vegas in 2000/2001... got into HOB about 15 minutes into 2001, got pretty angry myself waiting for over 3 HOURS. the cartoon they played was hilarious, and they said "sorry, but we'll see you next time" or something. And when they hit it was just amazing.

it's like Andy Kaufman or something. a bizarre form of showmanship that usually works... like playing with dynomite and knowing "about how far" away you need to be in order to not get hurt but still feel the explosive rush of air.

I hope this is true :smoking:

Thanks for the update.

I wonder why one of their sources told them that tracklisting and cover art were to follow.

Hope it's true.......but.....I guess time will tell.

A Good read...very intresting, and very true... :beer:

I think that you should be held to this if it's true,  dude. :yes:

Is this even on bravewords.com anymore? I can't find it.

This actually makes a lot of sense to me. After the way this album has been produced and delayed in the past, nobody wants to stick their neck out on a solid release date - they just want to carry on the way they have been and let it run their course. If there's another amazing song, some kind of big improvement that can be made, they won't hesitate to push the album back a little. They gave themselves a dead-line (this year), and other than that they don't want to totally commit.
This seems in line with the way they do things... they want perfection, but they're kind of laid back about it.

Yeah, I'm just not sure how much "improvement in the studio" can be made while they're touring.  Doesn't really make sense to me.  I would have thought all recording and touch-ups were done before the launch of this leg of the tour.  Isn't the album supposedly mixed by now?

i spoke to a local small record store by my house today and they told me that their is some talk the 21st is the day. ?he also told me on saturday he would recieve it if that day is correct. ?this store is unlike all the big chain stores and does not put things out when it is suppose to, so if they actually recieve it ?saturday like he said he should then i will have it in my hands 3 days in advance. ? i have bought things in this store before as soon as two weeks early dvds and cds. ?i know this is illegal and huge fines would follow which is why i would not repeat the name of the store but i am sure plenty of you people know of these stores and can get it the same way i have two in my area who do this type of thing. ?i know you people think this gnr thing is going to be such a tightly kept secret but 17 year old ?kids who make 8 dollars an hour and small stoes in bullshit neigborhoods dont give a shit about the rules or gnr. ?i suggest you all go to your local shops and look on saturday maybe we will get lucky. ?i am not counting on it. ?but if i get it i would be happy to scan the art work and tell about the track listings etc even know everyone hear will say its bs i would be happy to. ?would never leak the cd and i hope no one else does and ruin this never ending wait we have all waited but, it would be cool to get this thing before all you mods who sware to have inside info all these years. ?

has anyone mentioned how harley davidson was pulling PC and replacing it with better after the 19th it makes alot of sense for the day to be 21st  check the harley press release

The HD Press release also says something to the effect of "the ad with better will be aired in EARLY November".  Maybe it's just semantics, but that obvously wasn't the case.  Also interesting is that the first release of the ad stated that the Better version was coming "later in October" or something to that effect.  Things possibly getting pushed back?

Another very interesting thing going on right now is the slow signs of logical steps towards a release, and the massive influx of ridiculous claims.

Logical: Rolling Stone says Nov.21; Harley Davidson ad w/single from the new album; BraveWords says Nov.21; etc.

Ridiculous: Canada paper lieing and claiming UMG says "not this year"; "Far Downs"; "somehow, only Virgin Chicago knows that its release is imminent and has an in-store"

And all the ridiculous claims, as they are disproven, have brought a lot of people to this breaking point where they have started to think it isn't coming out any time soon. Which, in my admittedly illogical opinion, seems like the best time to spring the trap.

All this crap about what record stores say... I just don't believe that record stores will be the first to know OR the first to have it. Eventually, sure, but perhaps not at first. Has anyone ever asked (and received an answer from) Merck or anyone about whether this will be in record stores first? or iTunes?

If you ignore all the ridiculous stuff, you should still be pretty confident that the album is coming this year.

I REALLY hope its the 21st, but I can week another week or two.  All the suspense is great.  But what a shock people would be in if it did come out that day.  I"m sure these boards will be flooded with posts breaking down each song.

im not getting my hopes up, but if it is true, only a couple more days till Chin-dem...

I believe axl will keep his word and release it this year...

i hope it comes out that day too, but it will get leaked, most cds do

I stay pretty quite on these boards but i'm here daily and several times a day.  I have been reading so much about the album coming out and everything it has all really been manifesting itself inside of me.  I'm still in the camp that it's totally coming out this year.  I have just been thinking that it would really be silly at this point if it didn't come out on the 21st.  I realise it's so soon but every publication has said it to be this day.  The biggest music magazine has said it's this day and merck has not came straight out and deny.  Magazines like rolling stone are a huge publication and they can't lie.  I believe that was the first time they have ever had an acutal date not just your standard "early 2005"!

They would be silly not to use all of this advertisment they have had.  I really believe there is a plan happening right now and we are just all caught up in it.

Man it's just gonna be such a trip once it's finally out!  I have never waited 6 years for something!


Hatts

i'm not counting on anything.. just like when i thought that we might get to hear a new track at the msg show.. because it was the 5th show in nyc.. but... anyway.. the 21st makes the most sense.. as everyone knows the friday after thanks giving is the biggest shopping day in the US....  so it would make sense that it is released on the 21st since its the last tue before TG... so its available for black friday.  i know gnr has always bucked the system.. but this is a busness.. and it would make the most business sense for it to be released ont he 21st..   i really don't know.. just hoping and rambling..

? ? ?Hear,hear!? You're right brother. Many businesses account for huge sales,some as much as 50%,just from Black Friday,so I agree that the 21st would be a sound judgment decision for a date. And RS would have to print a retraction if it was b.s....and they haven't.

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? MATT

If Axl is going to do a secret album and just surprise drop it on us, now would be the perfect time.  He's touring, he's finally in the spotlight again and his fans are still loyal.  NOWS THE TIME AXL!  That said i do think its coming... Even if it gets pushed back until the 1st or 2nd week of January 07 ... Its only a few weeks away from now...

I HOPE that the 21st is the date, but i wont get my hopes up....

Although it would be a great surprise....

i think december is more likely but who knows? ???
not me thats for sure

heres hopng for november tho :beer:

I have heard that the release date is one of the Tuesdays that were given as a release date. Tuesday, December 19, 2006.

Where have you heard this?