Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I have never seen such negative comments and bullshit since the american tour has started. There have been really postive reviews from the media and yet the american fans who use this board still whine. Today I have read a post from someone who asked if 'it was all over with regards to the tour, album and the band!' After one show has been cancelled! WTF? During the european tour there was such a positive vibe on the message boards, even though the media were trying to slate Axl and the band! I am not for a second trying to say all american fans are like this, it just seems to be a whole lot of hard work for the band to please people when they are touring in their bloody home country! Please, Please keep the faith I am begging you! It is a truly great time to be a GnR fan! Its been a wild ride for many years and we are about to enter another great period in the bands history, so dont tarnish it now with negative shit that just makes people feel bad! We are so close! Mike

Well said mike it seems there are a lot of people here just dying for GNR to fuck up, if they are so negative towards the band why register here, i would love to see so many other bands fuck up and fall over but i dont feel the need to go to their fanboards and spout negative shit about them. So why do it here

I think GnR fans are different in that we have been thru a hell of a lot. A lota broken promises and years of nothingness.

Cancelling that show is typical gnr... sod all notice and crap excuses about firemarshalls. The venue wasnt even half sold out... so thats why theyve cancelled it, hoping those fans go to the gig on the 8th which is probably also struggling to fill.

Just seems to me that European fans are more easily pleased is all. ?Maybe it's a cultural thing...who knows?

In America, we have higher expectations for GNR. ?It is not enough for Axl to just resurface. ?Going to see GNR live is great and all, but there are too many other distraction (and shitty music) here for loads of people to buy tickets to a concert for a band that has nothing new to offer and no original members. ?I can tell you this much. ?If this was old GNR touring with no new music, these places would be selling out. ?

I was in Europe earlier this year and it was quite obvious that the difference in musical taste is cultural. ?I think I posted this before. ?I was in a bar in Spain and an old Bon Jovi song came on. ?The place went nuts like it was a new song that had just hit the airwaves. ?In America the same bar wouldn't have cared. ? I wouldn't say Europe is behind the US in terms of pop-culture because that wouldn't be unfair. ?It's just not the same here.

That's just my thoughts, but who really knows. ?I for one am not impressed with this tour so far and I can say that because I've been to a show. ?Half empty arenas are a shame if you knew what the old band used to be like. ?I'd feel bad for Axl except its his fault. ?

Ask yourself why we don't have a single yet? ?There is just no answer for that.

I think maybe in Europe we are definately more casual about it... we will go and see a band like gnr with an open mind.

There definately seems more hate for gnr in the US than the UK.

For me it was a treat to see GnR this summer along with VR and Motley crue. Nothing negative to say about any of those bands.

Very true, 33. ?Only when the NY-gigs happened it was "cool to be a GNR-fan". ?Now it seems it's cool again to whine about them. ?I don't get it either. ?Isn't it about the music? ?Now they are making music again and now Chinese Democracy may see the daylight in some time and all you hear is nag nag nag. ? They show up to late, they should release a single, they should release CD now, ... ?just enjoy the shows and see what happens. ?Just relax. ?

Whilst I love the States and visit 3/4 times a year, have to say with hand on heart that I prefer the European music culture over America's any day of the week. I think its alittle patronising to suggest that Europeans will just accept the GN'R situation as posted by someone earlier. The European tour was a great success. Maybe the American audience is just too hard to please, always wanting something extra, something bigger, something louder, something free...

Everything is relative. In the 90's, GN'R played in the stadiums when touring in Europe. This would be impossible now.

i think you're way off.
in the sense of europe is becoming more and more like america, and when we're happy to see gnr, that is just our real side showing. we like good music.

americans have been treated with britney and mtv pop culture for too long, and therefore have lost the sense of taste.

and you are blaming the shows for half empty arenas?
welll, face it, america do not like GNR. they dont like the music. they want 50 cents and P Diddy.

i dont want to defend gnr blindly, but it's not their fault. the concerts are great. you guys dont buy tickets to go see the show. and then bitch cause the arena is empty. too bad.
i traveled to NYC, London and Paris. to see the band. and it was amazing.

but yeah, vote :)

yeah.
americans want more pyro.
if there's no explosions... whats the point in seeing a show?!
GNR should bring a monster truck to the show. I bet all the rednecks over there would rush to see them live...

Everything is relative. In the 90's, GN'R played in the stadiums when touring in Europe. This would be impossible now.

I agree, but based upon what completing what they had set out to do, the European tour was a great success. If they had tried to sell a whole stadium tour it would not have worked.

I stand by my point on American audiences being more demanding, although I am generalising the whole arena audience rather than hardcore. HTGTH members who are happy to support the band they love.

i was talking at the present tense
therefore GNR means this current band
america DO NOT like this band
that's all. no harm.

in europe we liked the way the old songs are played, we like the new songs, we like the sound.
apparently, in the usa, few like it, and it's too hard for them to convince their friends to go there.

hey, it's not a problem, you ain't obliged to like the new band :)

That's why the Gn'R Greatest Hits sold so well? ::) . America loves Guns N' Roses..? Just not the fraudulent band Axl is toting around.

There goes this thread..........DEAD HORSE........... ?Why spoil things? ?

I really think that it's just the vocal minority who complain. There's a lot of positive thinking fans who just like to read these boards, because it's not worth the hassle to start arguing with some people. Some people will allways complain no matter what happens. If CD comes out next week they think it's too early on a promotional point of view, if it comes out in december it's too close to christmas to maximize sales because people have allready bought presents. When it comes out and it's great they will complain because the wait was too long or because they think that the band chose a wrong first single or something.

But they are minority. Most people actually like the band and what they are doing, they just don't write as much. Just look at the reviews after almost any show. They are all very positive and usually from people who have only written a handful of posts. They're people who go to the shows instead of overanalyze everything on the internet.

Exactly. It's a very vocal minority, but minority none the less.

Never forget, out of every 1 complainer, there were 1,000 that felt they got their money's worth, and had their ass kicked properly.

Why would anybody have faith in Guns N Roses anymore? They can't even please the most die-hard fans in the world anymore.

Well, and see that's the problem. Once your hardcore fan base looses faith and support... it's all downhill after that.  :-\

Most casual people feel this is a cover band anyways. Which is sad, because these guys rock.  :(

Can't please the fans? ?::)

I saw them twice in the summer and they were both brilliant shows! I've seen many videos/mp3's from the tour and the band is in great form. I've heard few demos from the album and absolutely love them. Chinese Democracy is finally coming out and is going to be great. I am feeling pleased...

Face it. When the tour started how many people on this board had seen GNR?

10%?

Now we've all had a chance - hell, i saw them twice

The band were always described as a legendary live act - we've now seen the reality

Some have loved what they have seen....but most realise there is a massive gap between reality and expectation

Its no surprise the mood has changed. GNR are a poor live band - ?40 for less than 15 songs, 3+ hr delays and then no momentum to the gig due to endless breaks

Yes, they put on great shows, and I've also talked to a bunch of die-hard fans who can't be bothered risking a GNR show anymore.

well then, Sandinista, dont hang around here, bringing everyone else down - its just not necessary.

Great comments Mike, with you all the way.

No, you have not-
- and what has this to do with going to the gigs? maybe we aren't as dependant on comercial to go see shows? :P

hi mike :wave:

There's nothing wrong with constructive negativity. Believe it or not, some people are actually disillusioned.

There's no such thing as constructive negativity, constructive critizism maybe but not negativity. Here's the point that alot of us are trying to make:

If you're disappointed / dissillusioned / dismayed or anything of the sort with the band, I can understand. However there are a ton of us out there who are not. We'd like to be able to maintain a positive atmosphere without having to constantly read about how and why someone isn't a GNR fan anymore.

What the fuck are you talking about? I'd like to have some reasonable discourse without being asked to leave, but I don't give you a hard time for it. God dammit.

Did you mean "reasonable discussion"? I don't believe you're giving anyone a "discourse". Also, I didn't ask you to leave I just mentioned that there are a whole lot of people who'd rather be positive than negative all the time.

Are you French or something? Discourse means discussion and I was referring to the person who asked me to leave when I mentioned being asked to leave.

A "discourse" is defined in Websters as a "A formal, lengthy speech on a subject". A "discussion" is what we're having here.

Honestly, I have to ask: are you French? Seriously.

Ummm no. Why would someone who's French have a better grasp on the English language then you?

Anyways, if you feel the need to make pointless posts like this, please feel free to PM instead of spamming up everyone else's discussions.

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Exactly.  Good post.  This is the real problem guys.

I can't help but have a COMPLETELY different opinion from both of you. I've seen the new band three times now in the US and they just blow me away everytime. More so then my experience with the original group.

So ? What matters is the fact that they are playing. They've played  for some pretty big crowds last summer.

Your kidding!!!

The first time I saw them was in 1992 and that was my first ever live gig.. I thought they were ok. After seeing many other live bands it became apparent to me that they were actually compartively poor at the time. Now this year Ive been to 2 GnR shows and they are the best live band Ive ever seen & trust me Ive seen a good few!

Same here. I saw GN'R in 1991 and they were good. But they were much better when I saw them again this summer. This summer was the best two concerts I've seen in my life and I've seen Iron Maiden, Metallica etc. and am a fan of those bands also.

Now I tend to appreciate people opinions in general, but here you are just plain and simply wrong! GNR are a poor live band! What are you talking about! How can you judge when you say you have seen them play 4 times? Well mate I have seen them 22 or 23 times and trust me you are very wrong! Mike

another difference is that americans apparently don't know how to record shows :hihi:

Thankyou very much babydolls! Its just so frustrating reading some of the crap that gets put on here by people who think they know what they are talking about!

The one thing that I put in my post that I wish people would do, but they dont seem able to is: 'keep the faith'. If I can do it, and so can countless others who have been fans since the beginning why cant people who have only been fans for a few years? These people dont know the meaning of the word waiting! Mike

It just seems like Europeans are content with the status quo. Remember, they're the descendents of people who didn't think it was worth the risk to start a new society in America. They were cool with just staying where they were.  ;D

With GNR, Europeans are happy with things the way they are. Americans want something new.

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It's unfair to base this on where someones from. I live in America, and I've always been a HUGE supporter. Yes, many, many people do whine all the time. Theres certain people here who I feel must live really unhappy lives. If they get so worked up over a rock band, imagine what else in their lives they get pissed about. Buy anways, I always have been, and always will be, one of Axl's biggest supporters no matter what happens.

Americans don't want something new : Americans want the real GN'R.
And rightfully so.

Axl's band is coming up against grave difficulties, just as Aerosmith when Joe Perry left the band : it just doesn't work.

Arenas are not selling out at all : only 3000 people in Portland to see Axl and his band !

After being apart for 13 years, a reunion tour would be something NEW.

Like I said, Europeans are perfectly content with who's in the band now. And that's fine. In America, arenas aren't selling out because the "new" band is old news and there isn't a "new" album. We just demand more and have higher expectations.

americans have in some cases been reluctant to accept the new band, but it's largely through ignorance or stubborness. most people really into GNR or into rock music enjoy the shows.
i think the cancelled 02 tour has more to do with the negativity on the boards. the negativity on the street is something that will go away when people see/hear this band.

That's a good point.  The weird thing is the media review of the North American dates have all been very positive.  That wasn't always the case with the European gigs.  But there does seem to be more negativity on this board, even before the cancellation.  I would guess fans are just getting restless.  The end of the year is nearing and there is no release date for the album in sight.  All we need, is a little patience.

The people in GNR make up what is now the "real GNR" please take some time and get over it. Slash, Duff, Matt, Steven, Izzy & Gilby have been out of the band for around 10 years now.

The bad reviews, bad press, bad publicity, and a riot is what caused the 2002 tour to be cancelled.

go away


go away, please.

why do you guys even post here?   you might want to take a look at the calendar and you'd see its 2006.

Why all the hate people? I don't see much logic in one continent being better than the other based on the popularity of a rock band.

There are many reasons why the European tour were more succesfull, if we can even make that conclusion at this point.

Guns N' Roses played alot of festivals. Alot of people who saw them at these festivals would not go see them at a normal gig.

Europe got a special relationship with America as a result of them helping us in the war, or some of us, depending on who you are :hihi: They lended us money to rebuild our countries, not in any way a charity case, but nonetheless, viewed as one. These factors, along with the sweet deals granted the US by our governments, has made it possible for american culture to get a special foothold in many European countries. As a result an american band is often viewed as something more special and worthy of seeing.

American bands often only play 1 or 2 gigs when they come to a european country. It's easier to gather 20.000 people in these gigs, opposed to a small population town in america.

Europe is in many ways more relaxed. Our countries are smaller, have less crime, less media stress, less wars, less anger. I can't varify this as I don't hold a degree in social studies, but one could think we as a result of this have more acceptance of people like Axl Rose.

The tour was in the summer. People have more money, more free time and are more eager to go out and do something.

Foreign bands need to be bigger and better to grab a foothold among the casual musiclisteners in europe, so those who do gains more fans.

You know something Mike, I agree with you, it doesn't seem right to me either that people keep being so extremist and doing that kind of comments for one canceled show, specially since GNR has put so many many shows without any problem and getting good reviews.  But one thing is for sure, Axl has the key to stop the anger of people that is bitchin about everything.  The only thing he have to do is to speak. ... speak with the fans, give us something concrete, one word...

Is amazing that 54 days left to the end of the year and we still don't have a single official word of the release date, what I perceive in the boards is frustration, anger... because the time pass and it seems more difficult that Axl words -- "definately this year" -- could be true.  And that would be another broken promise.

haha oh yes.... because NONE of us expected that  ::)

I think the main difference is like what some have already said, in the US we are much more demanding.  We always want something to be better and to constantly improve.  We are never happy with the status quo.  Being that I am from the US I like it this way even though its much more stressful.  I cannot stand the people on here, and now that I think about it it may be more Europeans saying it, that we should just be happy with the band playing shows.  No thanks, I want something more than what we have already seen. 

i think that the european tour looked better because europeans are going to shows just to rock out and have a good time regardless if there's something new or old. they just go there and rock out and don't care what others think of that as opposed to america where people go to shows if that band is cool at the moment, and, for now, the cool thing in america is to hate axl and gnr. americans care too much about what other people think of them and don't have the balls to admit they like gnr. if someone tells me i shouldn't go to see gnr because it's not cool anymore i'd tell them to fuck off with a big smile on my face

I am a Guns N' Roses fan, I will stay thanks... YOu however are not a Velvet Revolver fan and it you have been known to talk shit over there..

Oh yeah, it's 2006... You mean it's OK to be a fraud in 2006 ?

How is replacing people who no longer wanted to be in this band with musicians who are more then capable of taking over for them being a fraud?

if you think Axl is a fraud then please explain what the fuck you are still doing on this board?

Axl isn't doing this for you.

take your negative bullshit to a board where its cool to hate and bash the band we are here to support.

Mike, just have to say, that I fully agree with your post. ?I'm completely baffled by the doom merchants who appear to look for the negative in every unscheduled (by their timetable) turn of events. ?I'm sure there are many American board members who are enjoying this leg of the tour as much as we enjoyed the summer shows, but it does seem that sometimes their voices get drowned out by the complaints brigade.

I wish that I could've got to a couple of shows in the US but it doesn't look very likely now. ?Nevertheless, I shall definitely be saving as much spare cash as possible over the next few months for the band's return to Europe next year (hopefully!), so that I can get a good run at the shows and meet up with some of the board's happy campers again!? :yes:

It is false to say that Slash and Duff didn't want to be in GN'R, don't forget it was THEIR band too. They simply didn't want to work under Axl's conditions, treated as employees, treated as shit, a whole different story than saying "people who no longer wanted to be in this band"...

I never said Axl was a fraud. I meant calling this band "Guns N'Roses" is a fraud, and I'll never change my mind even if Chinese Democracy was the best record in the history of music. This band is a new band, and it should be called different.

And since this is off-topic I won't add anything else.

i think the negativity in part comes because its getting closer to the end of the year and people are getting tense. the internet and other technologies have made people impatient from day to day. one day people praise the band for adding new songs and the next they condemn them. i don't know why the album and all that other stuff is so important to people and why we tend to obsess ... its like being a huge fan of a particular sports team and feeling like you lost or won after a big game or really caring if they lose a player. strange.

Thanks Cyllan. You are another true GnR fan, like many others on here! I agree with you, I know there are many many american fans who are loving the band and the tour. It just seems a shame that there are so many negative people making way too much noise for their own good. It is not only way out of line, but plain and simply wrong! Look forward to seeing you again next summer! Mike