Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Thought about putting this in the Del James on gunsnroses.com thread but unsure, feel free to move.

'When certain former members of Guns N' Roses quit, like Slash and Duff McKagan, had they had their way that would have sounded the death knell for GN'R. Guns N' Roses was never their original vision. It has always been Axl's vision and drive to try to make the band as successful as possible without compromising the integrity of Guns N' Roses.'

Why has GN'R always been Axl's vision? Nine Inch Nails is Trent Reznor's vision and writes, records and produces most the material himself, I'm pretty sure GN'R didn't start like this. I'm also pretty sure GN'R's integrity has been compromised many times.

I'm not a hater, I love the new stuff almost as much as the old stuff and think Axl is great and all that goes along with him and the band. The article is obviously gonna be pro the current band, but there is no need to dis Slash and Duff, considering they made contributions to every current GN'R release bar Oh My God, and I'm pretty sure Duff was the main instigator for 'The Spaghetti Incident' therefore TSI was Duff's 'vision'

/j

It's a band.  Simple as that.  End of story.

i agree it was a bit of a cheap shot... but what do you expect.

it was axl's and izzy's vision..  slash and duff and steven happened to become a part of their vision.... look at old interviews.. Axl and izzy put the ad out for guitar player and drummer, slash and steven answered to it and were even denied a few times... until they finally gave in..  8)

Axl has said before that if Slash had his way the snakepit album would have been the next GNR album.  I think its clear that they wanted to go in different directions. 

Aren't the more "epic" songs on Illusions "axl" songs?

Not dissing the old guys, just trying to explain the quote.  plus i'm bored and feel like posting haha.

Generally anything that doesn't sound like you threw it on there in 10 minutes is an Axl/Izzy song.. or An Axl song that he made slash work a lot on.... (locomotive, coma, november rain)  anyway.... this is dead horse stuff..

Yeah, it's quite apparent that they were pulling in opposite directions but what makes it ok for it to be only Axl's vision?

bill213 said it best

like I said in the Del james thread, it sounds to me like that del is sucking up to Axl these days...nothing more nothing less

i think some of the things (slash, etc) that may seem cheap-shots and pointless to us, maybe they feel need to be said now as they hope more people are listening. as CD is released, talk of the old band will be loud.

we sometimes forget how many people don't have the GNR knowledge history and opinions we have from the obsessing for years of quiet.

i said the same exact thing...and can he possibly rationalize them being late to go on stage any more than he did?  i'm not saying that the reasons he gave weren't valid; i'm just saying that it doesn't warrant a 250-word essay.

Guns N' Roses is a good fucking time, no matter who is in the band.

I think Del James comments about Slash and Duff werent intended as stabs at them, but stabs at us. The fans. The ones who wont let go of the old band.

I think the comment was basically giving a big  :-* :-* to Axl : ok:

Anyway, I hope its back up tomorrow...
I doubt "the picture" will be back up, I mean....
I dont know why it was there in the first place...
The only thing I can think of is that they put it there intenionally real fast, and then took it off, just to kind of give us reassurance and hope for what's to come.....
They wouldnt have slipped up that much by accident, the truth will be revealed eventually......

Del James' opinion is not relevant since he's only licking Axl's arse.

Del James, Sebastian Bach, they are into licking these days...

If Del would've praised Slash & Duff, and bashed Axl, you'd be saying it was 100% correct.

So don't sit there and act like you just want the facts.

I just want to know why Del thinks its ok to say that GN'R has always been Axl's vision, when it isnt wasn't.

That was more of explaining that the whole GN'R thing was more his baby, than anyone elses.

But the real driving force behind it was Axl & Izzy's 'Hollywood Rose' combining forces with Tracii Guns' 'L.A. Guns', which is where Guns N' Roses was born.

But it certaintly wasn't Slash, Duff, or Steven's. Now that is fact. I'm sorry if it hurts any fans of their's feelings, but fact is fact. They were brought in later, after the band was already born.

Oh no ! Not the Gardener/Tracii Guns trick again !
Those guys stayed in the band like three months. Please... They are not even credited on AFD which was released more than TWO years after their departure.

I can't believe we're discussing Slash's essential contribution to HIS band : Guns N'Roses.
GNR was also Duff's, Izzy's, Steven's and Axl's band. It was a collective effort.
I don't like revisionnists as Del James who are trying to rewrite the past in favour of Axl to legitimate the fact that he's using the name of something that doesn't exist anymore.

Don't forget this : on the Use Your Illusion booklet it is written : "Art Direction/Design : Kevin Reagan, Slash, Axl Rose." You'll find the same note in The Spaghetti Incident. And Axl said in 1993 at the end of the UYI Tour : "As long as Slash and me are together there will be Guns N'Roses."

Because he doesn't want to have to walk home.

Del's article was pathetic.....

anyone who really believes that is only upset because they are the ones the last bit was directed at.   

Del is telling you people that you aren't even wanted as GNR fans.  Take a hint!

I for one loved the article.

I agree JB, I thought it was spot on, and something that has needed to be said for years.

It was a pathetic article - its obvious that Del James is just another 'yes man'.

As for you Jimbob, you gotta be objective sometimes. Are you after a free tshirt or something??

i'm objective.. but are you sure your head isn't up slash's ass?

why is this a pathetic article?  because you and your type was called out for the years of lame bullshit you have been posting and whining about on these boards?   Dont dish it out if you can't take it.

That's not a point, really.

Art direction/design means credit for the artwork.

So, Slash took part in the artwork. Big deal.

If you're interested in Kevin Reagan's work, you can check here -> http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/results.asp?z=y&CTR=256591&SIG=A


Well, since a lot of haters think that Axl has lied a lot before, maybe this was another lie ? Because the way I see it, Axl and Slash aren't together anymore (it's been 10+ years now you know) but there's still Guns N' Roses.

Of course you loved it.. It was a page of someone sucking Axl's dick..  He took cheap shots at eveyone that doesn't.  Another yes man making excuses for Axl.  The real lame part was all the excuse about teh shows starting late every night which will always be fucking lame because...

Fans have to work the next day

There are tons of people that work the venues as their second jobs also.  They are planning on leving by the time the show starts.

Most venues shut off the concession stands by the time the crap starts

It's a rock show.. Alot of people are there to party.  They have a few beers before the show then the venue cuts off the beer sales hours before Axl even starts.  That sucks...

Anyway I don't need any hint.. I am not a fan of the New Gn'R.. I think they are a complete joke..

Just like you're another 'yes' man for Slash & the other rejects over at VR.

then may i suggest you get yourself a fucking life and go find something else to talk about that you wont be so negative about  : ok:

if you are still coming to a GNR board in 2006 and feel that way, you are only doing it to be a fucking troll.  ::)

That's me..  I only post on threads concerning the old guns, dead horse and VR..