Here Today... Gone To Hell!

around 1 PM.

I was listening to Sirius Sat radio on the way home from work.? I got an "alert" that a GnR song was about to start (Paradise City).? I flipped over to Hair Nation to listen. Tawn Mastery (I'm pretty sure it was her), one of their DJ's, was on doing an intro to the song and all I caught was this:

".....Chinese Democracy CD release, which only gives us a week for confirmation.? I don't know.? Here's Guns n Roses".

And that was it.

I don't know if she was talking about a rumored release date (next Tuesday??) or what.? I know there are some other Sirus subscribers around here and I'm wondering if anybody heard the entire intro spiel and can shed more light.? ?

Edit: Check my post on page 2.  She was definitely talking about a release date.

Probably regarding the rumored 21st release date. She might have said that there should be an announcement within a week if the rumor is true.

I'm just guessing.

Or maybe a single release or a press release regarding the release of Chinese Democracy. ?There are many things we could speculate on in regards to the beginning of that sentence ?:o

Thanks pilferk!

;D

Exactly.? That's why I'm HOPING someone else might have been listening.....

hey pilferk, is there any chance you can email the dj or something?

I'm sorta wrapped up in getting our Halloween stuff put together for the kids.  If nobody beats me to it, I might shoot her off an email tonight when we get back.

I just figured I'd ask here, first, because, lets face it, we tend to respond quicker. :)

email 4 her pls...will send and i get sirius too

Well it should be interesting to here a response...  : ok:

did someone email her?  I can if someone can give me her email address (I tried already but couldn't find it)

mailto:tmastrey@sirius-radio.com

I'm also having a hard time finding it.

I'm really pissed at myself for not listening to Sirius today.  I have the day off, but I was to busy listening to news stuff all day (damn upcoming election!).  I listen to Tawn quite a bit.

She used to DJ at a station in Minneapolis years ago and she was pretty good at replying to emails back then.

OK I just emailed her.  I know it sounds stupid but i'm at work and don't have time to write a poem:

Dear Tawn,

I was listening to your show on Hair Nation today, and right before you played Paradise City you mentioned something about the Chinese Democracy release date.  I think you said something like "...hinese Democracy CD release, which only gives us a week for confirmation.  I don't know.  Here's Guns n Roses."  Unfortunately, I missed the first part of your sentence.  Can you please let me know what you were referring to?

Rock on!
Sean

yea they just played live and let die a few minutes ago : ok:

Sirius kicks ass  : ok:

Hair Nation, Howard 100, and Playboy Radio are my favorite channels on Serius.  I hope something is up.

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It's strange.  I've been a Sirius subscriber for almost 2 years now and I've never written to anyone there yet.

Yea that is there standard response letter. I hit them hard with emails back the other month when they were talking release dates and I got no response from an actual human.

The other week I emailed the one chick who talks about AXl on Octane through her own website and she got back to me in about 30 minutes. She knew nothing at that time. Hopefully this chick is cool and writes you back.

I e-mailed Robyn Lane from Buzzsaw back in April when I heard her say that Chinese Democracy was being mixed and Guns was about to announce some MORE shows.  This was days before they announced the Hammerstein dates.  I e-mailed her to enlighten me if she could and she got back to me within a day.  You'll probably hear back.  I anxiously await her response.

Have you gotten anything back yet?

Election day makes SO much sense for an album called Chinese Democracy doesn't it?  : ok:

when is election day over there? November 2th?

Otherwise, i dont think radios dont know anything yet.
but they might soon  : ok:

Election day in the states is Tuesday November 7th.

aha! Thanks.. We just gotta wait and see  : ok:

Hmmmm...we always have to find out news the hard way don't we?!  Hope something good comes out of this.....

November 7th IS a Tuesday  :hihi:.......

I'm also a subscibers to Sirus. I got the life time offer.  :drool: But I have been hear a lot more Guns N' Roses songs played ever day on Sirus and alittle new like the tour kicked off and tour in Jacksonville tonight. Also some of the dj's read some fan mail and it was all postive like the one was a fan said something like I seen Guns N' Roses back in the day and I must stay Axl sounds just as good now as he did then.

But no I did not hear anything about the CD release today.

If it was anything important it'll reach us soon enough. For an hour or so. ;)

Tawn's awsome - and not to mention was damn hot back in her days as a MPLS DJ.

That is a scam. Its the life of the radio. So if the radio breaks, and have to buy a new radio, then you need to  buy another subscription

No you get to upgrade your radio 3 times. I don't ever plan on getting a new radio any time soon. Any way after 3 years it paid for it's shelf.

I have the same plan-- its for 3 upgrades, so its basically the life of 4 receivers.  figure that they last a minimum of 3 years each, thats 12 years.  Under the regular plan, you would pay a total of 1800 or so for that, plus upgrading each time you would have to pay for a new subscription plus a new receiver, so you can add even more.  It's only $75 to switch to a new receiver under the plan, so you save $75 on that alone (presuming you re-up for one year).  I have had the plan for 1.5 years and have no complaints, and the thing will have paid for itself within another 2 years.  After that, I'll never see a bill again.  Trust me, I made sure I checked Everything before giving up that much up front. 

Well last Thursday, a girl who works at BestBuy assured me and said "100 percent possitive" that the CD was coming out on November 14th...she even told me that she got that info from a memo they recieved............But whatever, lets just wait and see. :drool:


Shiryu.

November 7th is the day of the communist revolution in Russia, in 1917, known as 'The Great October Socialist Revolution' (they were using a different time).

OK, she was absolutely talking about the release of CD being next Tuesday.  I haven't heard back from HER (I emailed her too), but this is what I heard this morning.

This morning, around 6:45 on Hair Nation, after playing Paradise City, Kim Mulligan said this (and it's as verbatim a quote as possible):

"Now, I don't know what the odds in Vegas on this are but Chiniese Democracy is supposeed to be out next week, on Tuesday.  That's the rumor.  In less than a week we may get the album that's been talked about  and long awaited for well over a decade.....13 years.  I gotta go out and check on those odds."

So....I'm assuming Tawn was saying something similar.   There you have it: Sirius is rumoring that the album will be out next Tuesday.

Let the discussion begin.

Wow. I wonder where she got that "rumor" from. That would match up with the info from last night that we are not allowed to talk about. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire.......

a bit early don't you think? It must be a very unconventional marketing plan... ?:P

This all sounds good, especially since it's from different sources. But I find it a little odd that a DJ knows about a rumor but we don't. Or maybe that's what the cencoring is all about, surprising the diehards. Sure hope so, but I'm not popping the champagne quite yet.

GNR fans need to be total fanatics to stand this rollercoaster ride.
..or totally nuts. I guess it is a little bit of both.

back to the topic: Rumors Rumors Rumors.. Confusion my friends! That's the keyword

It will be out on nov 7th or 14th or 21st or 28th........ I don't give a fuck abozut the date anymore!!!
Why? Because i know i will hold the cd in my hands before christmas. Even if i have to vist an old friend in Malibu for this ?8) (just kidding)

Get in the ring again!!!

And i wannd hear Perfect crime live!!!!

Well, sooner or later someone's gonna guess right.  Then we're all gonna get a firm "I told you so."

It's quite possible it could be the 7th.  Anything is.

Man, if it comes out on the 7th, I am going to be blowing some cash that day.  Guitar Hero 2 and PS3 come out that day too.

Wow! ...Could this be it?? :nervous:

If so then I'll have it this Saturday.... :o

Yeah, me too. We might never know, since we're not allowed to discuss it.

I think coondogg might've missed it too, because the info had nothing to do with a release date.

If you want to discuss things... you can visit my new board... http://teamsma.net/forum/index.php .... I am believer in free speech... nothing against this place because Jarmo has the best community out there and there is a pretty damn good reason for it.

I don't see the album coming so soon.

I'd love it if it comes, but I just don't see it coming...

November 7th? I doubt it.

Shit if this is true, I'm not getting anything done next week that's not GNR related.  I already have Wed and Thurs off for the Worchester show.

I would LOVE for this to be true, but it's very close......Here's hopin'!  :peace:

;D

If it is coming out the 7th, 14th or 21st, don't look in your Sunday retail ads to confirm.
It won't be in there (I can assure you that).
If it is released, it would have to be with a completely different promotional campaign strategy for the first week.
It could be a combination of iTunes, Harley Davidson and other things...

Well during school next monday I need to go back into town to get some money for me driving lesson from the bank so I'll take a butchers then.

Not sure about GHII, but PS3 actually comes out. I work for Sony and trust me, it's all I'm allowed to think about!   :)

On topic.... Jesus God and holy mother of all things that do not suck: I hope this is true.

Mysterion? Jarmo? Kid From Ireland? Anyone?

It's So Easy is on Hair Nation right now...waiting for the DJ...

Nothing

I hope it's true, but...the lack of information or confirmation from other sources just sucks.

I know I posted this rumor, and I'm not bagging on it, but I do wonder how much the DJ's at Hair Nation could possibly know that we don't....unless they've been advised that a single or something is coming.

I don't know.  I like the rumor and think it's great that I heard it, but...well...I don't know.  I'm having a tough time mustering much excitement.

I didn't miss it smart ass......

I know there was nothing saying that xx/xx/xxxx is the release date, but it's just THAT info with what the DJ said points towards something happening. It may not, but it does at least show signs of activity.

Well, the band touring is also activity, and that doesn't mean that November 7th is the release date either.  I mean, any of the rumoured dates is possible as there is a lot of activity around the GNR camp.  :peace:

I'll need to check with the program director at the rock station in my building to see if they've received a single or if they're supposed to.

The former program director (who left two months ago) - received an e-mail back in August from a tour/ALBUM rep for GN'R..so..if something is gonna happen next week, we should have a single by Friday. I'll keep everyone updated!  : ok:

thanks pilferk and BurningHills

I only believe what comes from the band and the management but nice to know the rumours.

I agree. Hell, any activity is cool with me. You're right about activity not = release date. Guess for the next few weeks there's going to be a lot of these type rumors about the release date. They must just figure the odds of being right and take a chance. If correct, they look like they are on the "inside". If wrong, then just blame Axl.

not gonna slag on  anyone for what they heard on the radio...but for it to really be out next week would mean they really did just drop it on us unexpectedly. and while i can se eminimal early promotion-i cant see zero.

the only thing im taking to the bank right now is it will be out on a tuesday between next week and Dec. 27.

I'm the guy who heard it, and I don't take offense at all.

I, too, have some misgivings about any rumor that would drop the album on us that quickly... but, they did say it, so the rumor certainly bears some discussion.

this is great news!  hopefully they have legitimate info.  I wrote to tawn yesterday but haven't heard back yet, i'll post the response as soon as i get it : ok:

I've been a GNR fan since day one but i'm at the end of the rope. Release the album already, what's the hold up?

Another mention on Hair Nation from Kim Mulligan about 20 minutes ago (right before she played November Rain):

[not verbatim]
"Well, I don't remember ever having an actual bet with anyone.  I don't remember saying that Chinese Democracy will never come out and if it does I will pay everyone a bunch of money.  I just don't hve the money.  I just got an email from a guy in Colorado asking me when he's going to get paid.  Listen, I never said that I don't want Chinese Democracy to come out.  I've certainly hoped it comes out by the end of the year.  And coming out next week is even better.  I just don't remember ever having a bet.  There I go again...welching on a bet."


So, there certainly seems to be a perception (at Sirius, at least) that CD is coming out next week.

Tawn Mastery is now DJ'ing...I won't be able to listen to too much of her set today.

I wonder....maybe
MASSIVE promotion
The weekend before?

Let the rumors grow
Like unchecked bacteria
In a petri dish

And then, Friday night
There's a marketing blitzkrieg
Strong saturation

So it's an EVENT
And not just a press release
Unlikely, but fun.....!

Splash

Mike

the dj's on that station seem quite convinced something is gonna happen

Focusing promotion on a weekend would be sort of dumb. ?That's when radio stations get the lowest ratings because of the least number of people of listening.

But, who knows?

I hve to say though...election day (here in the U.S.) would be a pretty sweet day to release an album with "democracy" in the title.

Patience now playing I think we all need some.

I'm in radio
And what you say is quite true
But not what I meant.

I meant interviews,
TV spots, MTV news
And places like those.

Run the TV spots
On targeted programming
E.g. SNL.

"Behind the Music"
From a little while back
Could be rerun, too...

But run the spots there
To appeal to classic fans
As well as young ones.

All speculation
But I've found Sirius jocks
SLIGHTLY more informed.

Splash

/Mike


Splash

/Mike

Hmmm... This is interesting.  6 days then, huh??  Could it really be the day??  Would they really not start promoting this album until it hits the shelves??  No single before the album comes out??  As much as I would love it, I don't see it happening. Thanks for the info though. If this was true, then we probably wouldn't hear anything official about until the album drops. I guess it would slow down people downloading leaks, because if nobody knows it's coming, nobody will be looking for leaks.

I do agree that it would be a little ironic. I would go buy the album, listen to the album and then VOTE. BTW, everyone that is registered to vote, should go and do so next Tuesday, regardless if the album comes out and regardless of who you vote for.

I would have a rough time.  Whenever we have big elections, I usually like to stay up late and watch the returns come in.  Next Tuesday's going to be a fun one for an amateur politico like me.  If CD came out that same day, I guess I would have to put the closed caption on the TV and blare CD through the stereo.

when do new release shipments arrive at stores?  because if cd was on deck for next tuesday, wouldn't we start to hear stuff today/tommorrow?

Sundays and Mondays, I believe.  Although, they sometimes get stuff earlier than that.  A few months ago, I went to my local Shopko to see if The Raconteurs CD was out yet (don't laugh...it was for my wife).  The guy working said he would check.  He came out of the backroom with it in his hand, but then told me he could'nt put it on the shelf for 2 weeks.

Why are you writing your posts in haiku?

It would be cool if it came out. I personally think it is a mistake to release it with no promotion. Of course, since it's so anticipated, it's had YEARS of promotion and I guess when it does drop it will be a big story.

They should at least relase a song to radio or something.

Much like any other radio DJ.. I'm not putting much hope into this.

I used to work for a music news website, and i would know stuff weeks before the Sirius dj's ever talked bout it. My point is that i highely doubt they are going to know something this big and no one else does.

so nobody called them or got a response to emails?

i emailed yesterday and no response yet

I've emailed both Tawn and Kim but gotten no response.

Calling into most music channels on Sirius is an excersize in futility...you go right to VM and almost never get a live body.

I think, most likely, what I heard (and then someone else heard) is about all the info they're likely to give out, even in an email response. ?Now that we definitively know they WERE, in fact, talking about a possilbe release on the 7th....there's not much more we need from them.

Now it's on to us to talk about how likely we find the rumor. ?Personally, ?I'd be surprised if it was true but I'm not completely convinced it's false, either.

Here is a completely refutable, unreliable rumor to which I  personally was a second hand witness.

A chain music store manager recently told a friend of mine that an unannounced release was due next week. He would know by Friday whether it was in fact coming. 

Don't know if its true. But it could tie in.

Well, we'll find out next monday hopefully (UK-ers)  :)

I think that they will make the promotion of CD a blitz. ?Announce the release date a day or 2 before the actual release, hype it EVERYWHERE during those few days. ?So that the name GNR and Chinese Democracy is on everyones ears, minds and lips the day of the release.

Just my thinking ;D

honestly why waste your time like they know anything more than we do.

Everything is a game w/ GN'R that press release umm there are 13 tuesdays left.

Then that setlist recently w/ prostitute on it. They must get off toying with us. ?

Is prostitue the "BIG GUN"? heh

we got 2months togo we should be hearing something anytime now.
If it don't happen this year then they are a complete fucking joke.

yeah im kind of thinking that also.

so I think it is pretty unlikely that only ONE station in the whole US&A knows about this. sounds like someone has gotten some wrong information

Can you confimr or deny this rumour Mysteron?  Please.

Well, it's technically not just one station.  It's an entire satallite radio company.

There are 9 tues left in the year but only FOUR are really viable and would make sense if it was coming out this year and it would be 5 if you could this coming tue if they just release it out of the blue.

Fridays

I really hate being one of these people. ?I really do. ?However, IF Chinese Democracy is really coming out this year, then it would most definately be this month...more specifically either the 7th, 14th, or 21st. ?The biggest X-Mas shopping dy of the year is the day after Thanksgiving, which is November 24th. ?I would lean more towards the 7th (NEXT WEEK!). ?That gives the stores plenty of time to display the CD on end-caps (I'm thinking with the Best Buy/Circuit City store models here) and re-order new copies of the CD (if the original shipments sell out from people who buy it on the release week) before "Black Friday".



Again...I relly hate to be one of these people, especially since my contention this whole time has been that CD will NEVER be released, but Christ. ?This is really starting to make sense to me. ?For the first time ever.

It would definately set the music world on fire if one of the most anticipated releases of all time were to come out without warning. 

Loads of people will haul-ass to their music stores to get it.  I think this could be right up Axls alley.

I still don't understand why they wouldn't promote the album before release.  releasing without a date isn't going to stop people from downloading it...  it will be available online the second someone can open a copy and rip it.  as soon as people hear it's coming out they'll download it anyhow.

It will be the biggest head fuck in the history of rock n' roll if they release this album with no promotion whatsoever.

If this is true I'lll have the album on Friday.   :o

pretty much--but in a way that might be the point....the fact you suddenly release it becomes so surprising it generates its own promotion--if that makes any sense ???

If it is true, then they would hold back on sending it to stores more than they usually would, so you'd probably have it on Monday......

Don't ruin my dream EFISH. Don't you dare ruin my dream.  :no:

 :hihi:

From the best of cover art I'm assuming CD will be like the Foo Fighters and RHCP new albums and you won't be able to pirate them, or upload them.

IF they even think of a single before the album release, could it be that election day (tomorrow) is a possibility? Would be insane - a GnR promotion storm for about 4 days or so...  :drool:

what do you mean?

Both albums are avaliable to download on newsgroups.... the copy protection is easily to get past. It would take me all of 5 minutes to do
CJ

yeah what are you talkin about?, i've downloaded both those albums :hihi:

All this download talk probably doesn't help our chances of getting CD anytime soon.

whatever.

Lots of bands drop cds without warning, hype them up, and when a killer single comes, the cd sky-rockets in sales. Usually its just new bands that do that, but there have been a few successful bands to do the same thing. I don't think its that bad of an idea. It may not sale well its first week, but that doesn't matter in the end. It will sell well. Its guns n roses. People will buy it just out of curiousity. And the radio and MTV will be all over it if they drop an album, video, and single on Tuesday. It would not be that bad people, if it indeed happened. Though I belive it to be very unlikely.?:smoking:

but i don't think it will slow down either.. i think it's pretty clear that all the members on here will buy at least one copy of the album

That makes sense, and it is true.

Also, there is no rule that says that an album has to be promoted ahead of time. ?The album could be released quietly and promoted after the fact.

Futher, the tour can be used as promotion of the album, and vice-versa.

This album supposedly cost $13MIL to make. ?I can understand the powers-that-be not wanting to spend any more money on up-front promotion but rather using the free promotion of a surprise release coupled with the vehicle that is the tour.

im willing to bet that axl has taken into account the number of downloads that will happen. lets face it, most non-fans will probably d/l it, seeing as though they don't even know much about GNR. those "former" GNR fans who suck slash's dick 90% of the time, and actually say the VR is actually good, will refuse to give their money to axl, and in turn d/l it.

People who prefer to download rather than buy are going to download no matter when/where/how CD (or any album for that matter) is released.

And people who prefer to support the artists they enjoy -- and get cover art, liner notes, and all those other goodies -- by buying their albums will do so no matter when/where/how downloading becomes an option.

I'm buying atleast 2 copies right away.

Yes. ?I know that. ?And YOU know that. ?But, do you think that Axl and the "GNR Family" are considering that? ?It has been rumored for quite awhile now that one of the reasons for this album's delay is that the band has a fear of illegal downloads affecting sales. ?I just think that talking about downloading on a board that we KNOW the "family" monitors is not a good idea.

I could do it in 3 secs
Hold down shift as you enter the cd to ?your computer

Or just disable the autorun feature on your CD-ROM drive...

does that work?, damn i gotta try that :hihi: : ok: :yes:

2 things I heard:

I'll start with the one I really don't believe - At an HMV near where I work a guy said there'd be a GnR SINGLE next week.. and the reason I don't believe that is because he said it was a song called Chinese Democracy.. While it's possible that's highly unlikely from what we've seen and heard otherwise recently.

The second is from a guy I know who is apparently involved with the mp3 pre-release ripping/release scene and was saying that CD the album (or single) hasn't popped up at any of the likely pressing plants yet. This I do believe.

Now here's my theory.. GnR management is going to try something that hasn't been done before.. pressing and shipping the album at multiple plants 24/48 hrs (or some other unlikely time frame) before the official release to lower the chances of the album being pre-d as MP3s. Just a theory and certainly not based on anything I have been told.

First point...It's more than likely the first single will be Chinese Democracy

Second point...thats a good theory. I hope they take that into account. If they could do that, then the album could be in shops next week which would agree with this rumour.

Hey, single or album, doesn't matter what is released, even if it is an itunes/online download only, it's a step in the right direction

And i'm sure considering the popularity of GNR, their record label, their wealth etc, they don't have to take conventional routes to press/manufacture the album. I'm not going to speculate because I don't know too much about the whole process, but for absolute starters, isn't there a possibility that the 'job' could progress under an 'assumed name' or something like that? I don't know if it makes sense, and again like I said I don't know exactly how the manufacturing process works exactly, but surely they wouldn't be outsourcing their work to a manufacturing plant boasting that "ladies and gentlemen, this is the pressing of the new GUNS AND ROSES album, "CHINESE DEMOCRACY", now lets get this one on the plant right now" or whatever.. Yknow what I mean? Surely they'd have a few options available to stop any curious staff interfering? Also, I can't see why they wouldn't be able to mass-produce copies of the album at short notice, whether it is at multiple pressing plants etc.. and I can't see why they can't have it despatched en mass / expedited to stores across the world in late/short notice..

Actually I had a pretty detailed dream about the release of Chinese Democracy.. I woke up and I was surprised, it wasn't just a random dream it was specific, complete with posts at the board here, Jarmo deleting and locking threads etc. I'd like to post it just for a laugh..maybe illl do it in the off topic area

I stand corrected.

I don't think CD will come out in november :no:

It's NOT coming this year folks...wake up. ?They CANNOT and WILL NOT just drop the album in stores unannounced. ?Not only would it be marketing suicide, but it would be impossible to produce a release like "Chinese Democracy" without ANYONE finding out. ?And judging from the Del James article, now Frank and Ron are recording parts as well.

Axl will never be able to leave well enough alone. ?At this point, it would be better to just release an album NOT called "Chinese Democracy" and see what happens. ?All this secretive BS...the HD ad, the RS article...makes no sense at all. ?If it's supposedly coming, what good does it do to keep everything so damn secret?

Misterid, why do you say that?

You're wrong.

Becasue someone was guessing again a few post before his and? domsayers are all the same, when in doubt, give up call defeat.

We need to keep hope do not give up misterid

I'll believe it when I see it, but we'll see next week.

MSG is next week. I have to believe something new will appear from this band before that show.

You're wrong.

Why? ?Because Axl and Merck say so? ?They've been wrong about CD before. ?There are now 8 Tuesdays left...next week is out, and so is the 14th at this point. ?We've already been told it won't be the 21st, so now we have five:

November 28
December 5
December 12
December 19
December 26

I would say December 26th is also out considering the Holiday shopping season will be over. ?An announcement would need to come at LEAST two weeks in advance, preferably three. ?So for every week that passes between now and January, you can start at Novemeber 28 and start crossing them off the list.  So basically in four weeks, we'll know if it's coming in 2006 or not.  I'm sticking with my prediction of NEVER.

I could be wrong. There's a lot that goes into putting out an album, a lot of stuff that's not up to the artist, so I just don't see it all coming together in a few weeks.

Just trying to be real. I will be looking forward to the AMA's though, if that does happen.

ama's what?

Did I miss something?  Why is next week out?

No, he's just stating his opinion as fact  :-\

Common sense. It's highly unlikely to show up out of the blue despite what Merck said.

Oh, I see.? It's just "highly unlikely" then...and you don't know for sure that the 7th is "out".? I thought maybe you had a time machine or something.

I'm one of the biggest skeptics on this board.? For years I've been saying that I don't think CD will EVER be released...yet, I'm intrigued by the date of the 7th.


On a side note, did you get your screen-name from one of the greatest Oasis songs ever?

It's not any sort of proof of anything but I'd rather listen to logic and common sense instead of just grasping for straws. Besides, I'm one of those who won't believe it until I see it.

Yes, it is in reference to the Oasis song.  : ok:

so in your logic there're still 4 weeks left till you should state that It's NOT coming this year.
december 26 might be out Because Merck said so. He also said they might not make the announcement.

either way stating an opinion as fact is pretty wrong.

The fact that this thread exists points to it being not true.

American Music Awards ???

yeah jarmo would have prolly deleted this thread if it was true

Wouldn't that make it obvious then?? I don't think he would delete the thread with the real date in it.

Well, I'm basically one of those people too.  This info on Sirius and (my opinion) that November 7th is the most logical date IF it were to come out this year is getting me more excited than I probably should be.



Hot.

i think so 'cause the gn'r management will be the first source that confirms the date.. but this could be the date of course but i don't think some radio station wil make the announcement

What are you rambling on about. I'm not a "former" GnR fan, I don't suck Slash's dick, VR are amazing, I have no problem giving Axl my money.


You obviously think that you listed the characteristics of some stereotype, but really your just ignorant and talking out of your ass.

I just can't see this album coming out without a decent amount of promotion so for me anything from the 21st on seems the most logical.  Even the 21st is a stretch to me but I think that's doable. I just don't think it will drop out of no where like Merck said, but I could be way wrong.


Extremely!

like I said they get off on this..... its a big fucking game with them.

everything is a secret.

end of this month if we got nothing then I lost all hope.

what they worry about a leak? its gonna leak no matter what they do.

I'm on the road all day and listen to Sirius.  I've got Guns N' Roses programmed so that whenever they play GNR, I'm notified.  Seems to me that they're playing GNR a lot more than they were a month ago.  Just today, I was on the road only 3 hours and heard GNR played at least 5 times (Hair of the Dog X 2, Patience, Mr. Brownstone, Jungle).  Not sure if anyone else has noticed this.  Unfortunately, I keep on missing anything being reported on Sirius 'cause by the time I'm notified about GNR being played, the DJ is just finishing whatever thought they have on the band.  Even if November 7th isn't the date (which seems unbelievable), it's still good to hear GNR a lot on the radio.

Cheers,

Andrew

so in your logic there're still 4 weeks left till you should state that It's NOT coming this year.
december 26 might be out Because Merck said so. He also said they might not make the announcement.

either way stating an opinion as fact is pretty wrong.

I'm not stating my opinion as fact...the dates and past actions and claims of GNR should speak for themselves. ?It makes NO sense to drop this album out of the blue...the label has WAY too much tied up in this to just drop it out of nowhere. ?When they first came out with that press release, it said 13 Tuesdays...now we're down to 7. ?NOTHING in six weeks...except a RS article that gets skewered and a HD ad that gets changed.

It just makes no sense to not announce a release date with an album as anticipated as this...unless they're not finished with it. ?And juding from Del's article (which has also been pulled) Frank and Ron were recording parts for it just a couple of weeks ago. ?It's almost to the point of being logistically impossible to release it this year...that's just common sense.

I'm not trying to be an asshole or a hater...I want this album just as bad as anyone. ?But I'm getting a little tired of the secretive bullshit...and trying to be a realist when it comes to everything involved in releasing an album.

The ONLY thing I can see happening at this point is an Internet-only PRE-release with a physical CD to follow sometime after that.

The album was being mixed last week and its probably done being mixed. I dont think Ron and  Frank did any record as of a few weeks ago, if they did it was when they had that break in between legs of the tour.  The album reallly only has 4 or 5 max posssible dates to be released and that is the tues in Nov or the first tue in Dec. Anything after that is not going to happen andn it would get pushed to next year and that would mean march or may.

did i specifically say you? i didn't mean it like that. im just saying than regular everyday people who dont really listen to gnr, or once did but left it behind when slash left, will probably download the album rather then shelling out $15 on a band they consider "dead". most people think axl is nothing but a joke, and will not put out anything worth hearing.(which is ironic, considering most of them like VR, and VR is nothing but a fucking joke. Slash has not done anything that could be consider fir since he left GNR)

naw, the whole idea is that the no promotion IS the promotion...  management won't confirm anything... apparantly they'll only deny.

Does anyone remember hearing anything about November 7th specifically as a possible release date before Sirius DJ's started mentioning it in the last day or so?  I don't.  It's odd that this would be rumored to be the date.  Where would they come up with it?  Message board rumor?  Odd that we the superfans hav'nt heard it before Sirius DJ's started talking about it so much.

No strangely enough this isn't one of the dates that has been speculated on the boards, apart from the general analysis of the tuesdays left in the year or whatever. I think thats why people might be a bit more suspicious, there's been no specific mention of this date, to the best of my knowledge, prior to the SIRIUS dj's mentioning it.. It's the November 21 date that has been speculated the most

There's nothing wrong with the Raconteurs, they're a very good band.

I'm more of a White Stripes man, myself.  And even then I'm only into them because of the excellent drumming.

The album was being mixed last week and its probably done being mixed. I dont think Ron and? Frank did any record as of a few weeks ago, if they did it was when they had that break in between legs of the tour.? The album reallly only has 4 or 5 max posssible dates to be released and that is the tues in Nov or the first tue in Dec. Anything after that is not going to happen andn it would get pushed to next year and that would mean march or may.

What's your source on the mixing part?  And even if it IS true...Axl still has to bless it...I'm sure the label would like to hear the final mix...and THEN it has to go to production.  Even if that happened THIS WEEK, you're looking at another week to produce enough units...then 2-3 days to ship it and get shelves stocked for the next available Tuesday.  That would be the 21st...which we've already been told is OUT.  So basically...that leaves the 28th and the 5th.  That's a pretty tight window...what happens if there's a manufacturing defect?

It's just getting to the point of no return for 2006.  And pushing it back again only gives Axl more time to change his mind and the tracklist, players, etc.

IF something is going to happen this year, it HAS to be within the next couple of weeks...but I just can't see it happening at this point.

I think a reasonable guess, if it is actually dropping on the 7th, is that Axl DID bless it during that delay when they pushed back the two tour dates... maybe the Florida promoter's statement of "axl was putting the finishing touches on the new album" is that "blessing."

I think everyone is forgetting the fact a bloke on this board heard it being played out of Geffen's towers, MTV were at Geffen/Interscope, Axl played the finished version at his party in September................................

true, but he was also playing it at Stereo in NYC last March...

Maybe the tracks that Axl played over the course of the last few months were works in progress, not meaning demos, but not the entire album, just a few odd tracks here and there, and that house party that was mentioned in the Rolling Stone article was the complete album, mixed, correctly sequenced etc. From what I recall, most of the mention of CD when Axl played it at clubs or whatever, has been "tracks off chinese democracy", not necessarily the entire album, or it could have been rough mixes or unmastered versions or anything like that.

And even if that Geffen/DGC situation with the music blasting out of the office was only a few tracks, at the very least, it's been finished since the aforementioned house party. And Axl putting 'finishing touches' on the album... Maybe I'm wrong, but that doesn't necessarily mean finishing touches on the music does it? Maybe he was reviewing the artwork, liner notes, lyrics, design, packing etc? And if that was the case, that would have had a pretty reasonable timeframe for them to start packaging etc leading to a release this month.. Sure nothing has leaked out, but they do have ways around securing that kind of information..And even if production/manufacturing hasn't started, considering the stature of the band/record label / progress in technology / rush release etc, I can't see why they can't make alternate arrangements to get it done quickly

This is just my own speculation

I saw a few people wrote to SIRIUS..the djs or whatever..lets see if theres a response
Or maybe someone can call a main switch or something and speak to a program director or promotion person or something, not necessarily the DJ himself/herself..

I'm more of a White Stripes man, myself.? And even then I'm only into them because of the excellent drumming.

Excellent (+)(+) Drumming, i'm with ya

Well, that's not what I'm going for...but that works too.

What I don't understand is why would Axl release GNR's big comeback album with no promotion? It just doesn't make any sense.

Yeah.  Because normally he's so rational.

I'm really starting to believe that Nov. 21st will be the day. Why?? Because it's the day that has been denied by management. Everyone here is excluding it from possible dates ALL THE TIME and wouldn't that be what GNR'S management would want us to do??  Why did management jump on Nov. 21st to rule it out and not any of the other dates that have been posted?? Why would they choose only that one??  It's like reverse psychology almost. Now they have all of us believe that the 21st isn't even possible, when realistically it could very well be the date. Who cares what else comes out that day?? That's my opinion and if it happens, I will laugh at how we all fell for it.

Going by what we aren't allowed to talk about, and a certain ad getting pushed back, things popping up that weren't supposed to at this time, I'd say something is getting ready to happen, but I don't think its Chinese Democracy. CD isn't just going to drop out of the blue. There will be promotion, common sense suggest. But I'd be happy with an announcement and/or a single.

I just don't understand the reasoning behind NOT giving us a clue about the release.  Nov 21 or December 5...the dates I've always thought to go down.

Hmmm..I don't think, for the most part, a majority of people understand the reasoning behind some of their decisions.. Just have to try to accept it as best as possible and wait it out I guess..  :-\

An album doesn't necessarily have to be released with pre-promotion.  This album could drop on any given Tuesday and then be followed by promotion.  The tour is already happening; the tour can be used to promote the album as well as vice-versa.


While I don't like the fact that no official release date has been given, I can understand why there hasn't (see above).

i think droppimg the album with no promotion is a great idea.with cd sales dwindling,its something different and prevents illegal downloads.it might start a new trend in music.artist dont make nearly what they used to with the internet now and by just releasing it it sets up a whole impulse buying thing.it will be way more exciting to just hear on the radio "Hey,by the way,g n r new cd is out today...loving the mystery built around release.

I don't find it ?odd because they probably just pulled the date out of their butt. Every single Tuesday is likely going to be singled out in a rumor since there are only so many left in November. Someone is bound to be right if it is indeed released this year. Not to mention this date would have been leaked by now. There would be plenty of music store employees that would be aware that CD would be hitting theirselves next Tuesday. It's not like it would just magically appear on the shelves with no one knowing a thing about it. Plenty of people would know and there is nothing to keep them from talking.


He might not do things by the book but would Universal be willing to release it with no promotion? Doubtful.


Except that would be a terrible business strategy. How many people outside of the diehards would be willing to rush out and buy an album they don't know a thing about? Not many. They would be a lot more likely to download it.

They might not know a thing about it beforehand, but they could learn about it through after-release promotion.

A sale is a sale.? Does it really matter whether it's in the first week of release, or in the weeks after?

I realize that GNR is in a much different place than they were when AFD was released, but AFD didn't exactly burn up the charts when it first came out...? And years later, it is still one of the best-selling CD's of all time.

As far as the downloading, there are those who download and there are those who buy.? The downloaders are not likely to change their ways just for CD.? By the same token, neither are the buyers.? (BTW, studies that I am too tired and lazy to look up and reference right now show that most people still buy music; downloaders are still the minority.)

One of these days someone is gonna get it right.

Let's just hope its soon......


I have a hard time believing this. If true, it will leak within a matter of days. Maybe even hours.

I've been thinking about this many a lonesome, tiring night lying in bed listening to the demos/live songs we've heard.

I think 11/21 is most likely going to be the date we get our mothafuckin hands on the album.(The "mothafuckin" is added for extra excitement, because our hands are getting the album yay).  Management has NOT denied any other dates to my knowledge yet.  Merck/whoever else is running the show here says "Gasp!  They figured out the date!  Let's blatantly deny it to increase suspense!"(exaggeration of course) and we all know how Axl wants us to expect the unexpected and be suspenseful.

it could come out any given tuesday, but 11/21 just might be thd date.

No, it doesn't matter when its sold, but generally the first week sales are the largest. Yes, it's true that they could generate interest but they need a lot of steam behind this album and it's hard to do so by putting it on the shelves with no sort of promotion. The average person isn't going to run to the store to pay for something they know nothing about. They are going to sit at home and wait until they get an idea about this album. Which means they will turn to downloading. That very will likely cost them a lot of sales because not everyone is going to decide to buy it after they just got it for free. It's a risky move because if this album doesn't go over well with the general public then they could end up with less sales than if they hyped the crap out of it.

Universal shelled out a pretty penny for this album. They are going to want to generate as many sales as possible. They aren't going to approve of anything that would make it more difficult for them to get a return on their investment.

They may not be heavy promo because they're already 13 million+ into the disc. 
I say a video/single, then CD release immediately after one another.

Just dropping the album would make sense if the GnR family aren't bothered about it going to No1 in the first week of release. ?Having spent $13m on the thing, a second week number 1 without the costly hype from within wouldn't be a bad thing.

Also on the basis that with a pre-release marketing campaign the GnR camp would have to send copies for review, do they trust the press etc to give a favourable critique. It isn't beyond the realms of logic that a series of 3 out of 5 marks would be given, based on the fact that at $1m per annum to produce, they (the media) would have expected more than whats been released.

The no notice drop would leave the fans to generate the sales, making it difficult to give negitive press when in week 2 its selling big numbers.

Hasn't Axl said there's nearly 3 albums worth of material? So that $13 million everyone keeps bitching about isn't necessarily just for the one album. Still, they've spent a little over $5 million on Chinese D. alone if we're dividing it up among 2.5 albums. That's still a huge number. LOL. I don't know what they'll do, but at this point I've learned not to get too excited about anything.

It's almost the last line of hope for this year.

I was told by a friend of mine who works for Virgin that Nov. 7th is very last day a new album for 2006 can be scheduled for a release.  This  has to do with the fact the label needs to reserve space at a pressing plant and reserve space for shipping.  There are thousands of CDs printed every month and pressing time usually books up 6 weeks in advance.  I have asked her whether she's heard news around her office about the new GNR album...she's heard pretty much the same things we've heard..."this year, this year."  But she highly doubts it will come out until the summer.

If the album has to go to the top of the charts right away, everything else will be considered a failure, and will put this album in a very negative downward stream. Comon' sense would be a huge promotion by the record company. and i probably think they will demand that from the band.

Then again, the last 6 years the GnR name has been a poor and sad victem of total mismanagement so nothing is sure with this band. :-\

Considering it's clearly stated as a rumor and it's not linking to anything the band doesn't really want you to see...I doubt he would.

It's not like anyones claimed to have word from someone IN management or at the label what the date is.  This thread is simply the discussion of a rumor...and that's it.

Yeah, I've noticed over the past month an increase of GnR songs (and deeper cuts off the albums...I heard freaking "Coma" the other day and almost swerved off the road).  I'm not sure if that's because they know something's coming or just because they've become more "visible" and higher profile lately so the stations are capitilizing on that.

Either way I think it's a good sign.

I'm not trying to bust your balls, but....that's exactly what you're doing.  Because you don't have definitive proof from anyone that you're right.  The opinion might be well founded on common sense, history, etc, etc...but it's still opinion.

No.  And that's one of the things I find compelling.  Because usually when a DJ reports a rumor like this, it comes from "us" or we've heard it already.

The fact that nobody can find hide nor hair of this SPECIFIC rumored date, and they're reporting it as a rumored date, I find very interesting.

Careful.... I once got a tongue lashing and still have a tagline dedicated to me by a fellow user for not liking people stating their opinion as fact!  ;)

so still nothing new on this? If it will be released next week the record stores have to get copies of CD(just think about stores in Europe) - but we heard nothing about it. So it's very unlikely I think..

Just to play devils advocate:  GnR GH has sold incredibly well.  It had very little pre-release promotion and, really, comparatively little post release promotion (compared to the release of new material by other artists).  It's sold like gangbusters.  Someone also used the AFD example, which I think is apt.

MOST albums sell their copies in the first week...but GnR is not most artists.  And, if you look at their albums, they tend to sell very well over the long term....much better than in comparison to most artists.  So it's not like it defies all logic to do something like this.  It's risky, to be sure, but.....

Universal, given the money they've made of GH, etc, might very well be willing to engage in a risky alternative marketing plan with this release.  Actually, it makes perfect sense to use THIS release, all things considered, as a boilerplate for something different. 

And to those decrying no promotion.....think about what we're discussing here.  Think about what we've been discussing for the past month or so.  There IS promotion going on...it's certainly non-traditional (and, in essence, cheap as hell for the label) kind of promotion, but it's definitely occuring.

I'm assuming the 13 million, considering Axl's statements, was an advance on the entire contract (3 albums + gh), not just CD.  Given that, and given what GH has made for the label (we discussed this an conservatively came to a number between 8 and 10 million), you may want to take that into consideration.  Without releasing another thing, conservatively, Universal has only  "financed" about 5 million dollars total. 

Appetite didn't sell well in its first week but it's one of the greatest selling albums of all time. 

Any new information from the Sirius dj's?

I thought it was the number of the copies (gh's reaching to 4 platinum discs us alone) that were shipped/sold and it should have been more than enough to cover Uni's investment? ???

yeah, but that was their debut album.. and they got almost no help from MTV wich was a big factor back then.. it was when MTV agreed to air the welcome to the jungle video the recordsales took of..

It's not just the fans who want to have the cd.I think music collectors and others will probably want it due to all the anticipation and drama involved in its release.This will not only be a fans dream but a huge collectors item. I predict that this cd will do well even though many will download it.Who knows when it will be out but it will be and I cant fuckin wait!!!  GUNS N FUCKIN ROSES MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!! :beer:

GN'R wasn't exactly the band they are today back then.

No...my opinion is my opinion...nothing more.  Why do I need definitive proof to give my opinion that it's NOT coming out next Tuesday?

when was MTV at geffen?

I still haven't received a response yet, and i'm not really expecting one at this point (the auto-response and another board member told me to expect a response within 24 hours, I beleive)

Talking about MTV, did you hear the one about GnR being on MTV tonight live? Niether did I till a mate called me at work and said he'd heard it on the radio. Gonna have to call him back and ask him what station (I was busy when he first called and didn't ask)

Yea i still see no need for panic. the last tuesday of the year ?I will panic until then stay the course. I'm sure in a few weeks we will all forget the anxiety and just be enjoying the cd. :yes:

yeah i think so too, it's like a graal or cult thingie that everybody gotta have in their CD case

Same thing happend to me before, they will not respond in writing on anything when it comes to GNR.

You needed definitive proof when you stated that it's NOT coming out this year.

i don't think so, 'cause tonight is the european music awards aired on mtv and i think all the mtv stations in the world will air that show and i know gn'r aint in denmark.. the only possible thing would be if they do as they did in 1991 when they recorded LALD from wembley and then aired it on the show, but that's a very very ?small chance of happen

You said:


"Next week is out" is a definitive statement of fact.  Saying it that way makes it sound like you have recieved definitive proof that completely rules it out.  That's not the case.  YOUR OPINION is that next week is out.  It might be a well reasoned opinion based on all the things you cited, but it's not a fact. 

No...my opinion is my opinion...nothing more.? Why do I need definitive proof to give my opinion that it's NOT coming out next Tuesday?

You needed definitive proof when you stated that it's NOT coming out this year.

I said I'm sticking with my original prediction of NEVER. ?A prediciton is not fact. ?We'll see in a couple of weeks if more people start jumping off the bandwagon again. ?CD is Axl's "SMiLE."

I'm using the very conservative numbers from our previous discussion so as not to stir up the debate again.  You're right in that the median number was about 12 to 18 million worldwide and that would cover the advance.  Again, I went lowball so as not to open up that whole can of worms again.

You said:


"Next week is out" is a definitive statement of fact.? Saying it that way makes it sound like you have recieved definitive proof that completely rules it out.? That's not the case.? YOUR OPINION is that next week is out.? It might be a well reasoned opinion based on all the things you cited, but it's not a fact.?

Wow...well, all you "believers" can keep drinking that Kool Aid if you want, but if you HONESTLY believe it's going to drop in 5 days out of the blue then you need to ease up on the meds. ?I think "next week is out" is about as factual as it gets.

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Then feel free to provide the proof.

Til it happens, or we recieve definitive proof,? it's not fact, it's opinion.? That's just reality, man.

As for the 7th being a viable date....read the entire thread.? That's precisely what we're discussing.? You're dismissing it out of hand.? I, too, think it's unlikely.? That's my OPINION.? But it's not yet a fact.? It would be nice if someone "in the know" would step down and either confirm or deny the rumor, but....barring that I think we just gotta wait til Tuesday and see whats what.

Oh, and I don't think implying those that believe the rumor actually is possible and plausable, especially given all the good discussion in this thread, are crazy is perhaps the best way to bolster your point.

21 of November is not far away..And 21 of November isn?t a bad release date..If i were Axl..I would drop the album then...

It?s perfect  ;D...Christmas is comming up...And so on...It would be bad to release it in mid 2007.. :yes:

I never post or reply here (although I'm on here daily at times ::) ), but as a GnR fan and Sirius subscriber I felt the need to keep this topic alive.? Reason being, much like others have been saying I've been hearing so much GnR lately that there is almost no point in carrying around an iPod anymore.? Take today for example, it's only 1:30 p.m. EST and I've already been notified of GnR songs 7 times.? The one thing that got my attention this morning though was that the Hair Nation DJ said that she had some "world shattering" GnR news, or something to that effect.? Now I'm a UPS driver so normally, I'd be able to listen for a while longer, but today my daughter had a 2 hour early dismissal from her elementary school, so I won't be able to listen.? :drool:

Just thought that I'd bring it to some of the other Sirius listeners to keep an ear on that station to see if anything comes to fruition.

Later

God, I hope you are right and they do have some "world Shattering" news and it's not some lame ass reason to get people to listen.  Timesa waist'n.

Siriusly?  :hihi:

That's awesome!!! thanks for posting!  anyone have a listen to find out what was said?

HAHAHA!!! Good one... Shame I don't have sirius, though :(

Yeah, hopefully it's at least bigger than the "BIG" Kiss news that was teased earlier in the morning. ?Unless you were to consider Kiss Coffee shops across the country "BIG" news. ? :rofl:

What if the band releases the album on iTunes at the same moment they issue the press release...and then a few days later at your local record store? That would be nice!

 :-\ 8)

I'll be listening to Tawn on the way home in about 30 min or so...and I've got well over an hour ride home.  Hopefully she'll say something more on the subject.

I just want to add my .02 cents. I have believed from the beginning that whenever CD came out, it was just going to be there. I don't know why. I always felt I was going to go into a record store one day, and it would be there. I look at it this way. There's really not much promotion this cd needs. We have been talking about it for years. How much more promotion does it need? And if it's promoted to the max, and stinks, that's even more money wasted. Word of mouth is so much better, because it's free! I mean, imagine driving in your car, listening to the radio, and the DJ comes on and says they just picked up the new GNR. Even as a semi-fan, wouldn't you be a little curious as to how it sounds?? There's nothing worse than having something like a movie hyped to all hell, getting "rave reviews", and then you go see it and it sucks ass. You can't please everyone. There are people who won't like the cd, and there will be people who love it. Instead of telling people what to think of the album, it will be up to us to judge it, good or bad.

As far as all this talk on Sirius, I don't own one, but if I was hearing all this talk over such a short time I'd be excited. This is the first time that someone has talked about a release date, and not gotten it from a message board somewhere. We will know the answer soon enough, either way. So just relax and enjoy the ride.

I have Sirius, what times is this announcement going to take place? I live on the East coast.

From what I gather from the posts, they did not give a time.

What station is having it?

The post from above say The HairNation. :-\

I'll check it out, but I know i'm wasting my time.

What terrible music there playing, Cinderella  :-[

Could be worse, they could play Winger! : ok:

Was listening to Sirius today when they played Mr. Brownstone on Hair Nation.  Afterwards, Tawny said that there's still no news as to when Chinese Democracy is coming out.  Guess if it were the 7th, she wouldn't have said that.

Anyway, just posting what I heard.

Cheers,

Andrew

I didn't expect much given the fact that it wasn't the news wasn't hyped thoughout the morning.  I just figured with what everyonr else had heard on Sirius, that maybe there was a shred of truth to it...  :-\

And oh yeah, Winger and Cinderella are the just the tip of the Hair Nation iceberg...  :hihi:

Hey now! Hair Nation is a great station. I enjoy Dangerous Darrens Sunset Strip Snack, every night at 11:00. They are always playing Guns.
Once a official release is announced Sirius will be plugging it hard, I could also see Stern  promoting it.

Nah man I'm not knocking the station itself at all.  There is alot of stuff that I like, that is constantly being played on hair nation. Just because Winger, Cinderella, Faster Pussycat aren't my thing doesn't mean that I don't like stuff like Hanoi Rocks or even Motley Crue.  I'm usually just more of a Howard Stern of Hard Attack listener and GnR regardless of which station they pop up on.  :peace:

That's a fair point but to me you can't really compare GH to CD. GH is an album full of timeless classics. There wasn't a need for much promotion because these songs promote theirselves. CD is different because its completely new material being released 15 years after the last studio album and it's recorded by an entirely different band. The general public isn't going to know what to expect of it until they start hearing music. Which means there will be a lot of downloads.

I think you bring up a lot of fair points, but I wouldn't consider what is going on here promotion. The people here are diehards so of course everyone is going to react to the slightest hint of CD being released. The question is, is it enough to make the general public care?

I think so, I mean it is Guns N'Roses.  They were once one of the biggest bands around and that's something you don't forget.  The legacy that follows that name is like no other.  I think people will be naturally curious about the album just because it is GNR and regardless of who's in it.

Both good posts.  But I agree with pilferk, there is not a pressing need for mass promotion.  If the CD is good enough it'll sell on its own through time.  Us hardcore fans all know the album has been in the works for the last 13 years, so there's no need to promote to us.  The casual fan from the late 80'/early 90's may not be aware.  But if the album is released and a single is dropped the song WILL be heard by anyone who listens to radio/music.  Word will get out there.  There's no need for Axl to show up on Kimmel, Late Night, Tonight Show, Oprah.  Let the music speak for itself.

Cinderella was one of the most talented groups to come out of that era.  Just listen to some of the albums and you'll know what I'm talking about.

i hope we get something soon regarding the album cause im starting to go crazy here. Im checking this site every afternoon

I was trying to resist getting into that type of discussion when I read that post too, but I can't help myself. Yes, Cinderalla along with Tesla are two of the most underrated and talented groups of that era.

Final Countdown by Europe, that's all I need to say.

What does that song or group have to do with this thread?

They play it on Hair Nation.....it goes back to the post that they play terrible music.

Although off topic, I'll say this:? They do play some terrible music (and no, I don't consider Cinderella to be terrible).? MOST of it is pretty good, but some of it is the worst of the genre.? I think they do it on purpose though....I mean..c'mon.? Looking back at the music of the era that would be played on the station, you can't take yourself TOO seriously with some of it.? If I'm listening to the station and something like "Final countdown" comes on I actually start smiling.? It's almost like the DJ just told everyone an inside joke...with a wink wink and a nudge nudge.

Oh, and I've listened to HN almost exclusively yesterday and this morning on my rides to and from work (I'm now having Howard withdrawals!)....no further mention of CD that I've heard.

It's awesome to have as a ringtone though.  :hihi:

If anyone ever watched Arrested Development, it's a great song in general.

But on topic:  It's really odd that they picked the 7th out of the blue.  Usually when radio DJs get a release date for CD, it's coming from articles or the forums.  However, I've never seen anyone else mention the 7th.  Not only that, but if it was indeed the 7th, we'd have caught wind of something by now.  It would be in articles and stuff and probably even be leaked by this point.

Hey, come on now, they COULD be playing Great White!! ROCK ME!!!!!!!  :rofl:

I kinda like Cinderella, and Warrant!!

ahah, GOB! ahahah man that show was funny !

Haha... funny you should mention. Our Pistons here in Detroit use it as their entrance theme for each home game. I have a friend who's a HUGE Pistons fan and I actually have it set as her ringer in my phone.

Other then that I have no use for the song. Actually that song OR "Carrie" are useless to me.  :hihi:

The Final Countdown is a great song.  There's a cover band that plays all the hair nation classics that my friends and I go to see when they're around (Aquanett if anyone's interested), the play a great Countdown.  They also do Sweet Child and Paradise City, and I've heard them do Used to Love Her acoustic. 

Anyway, that's not the point of this post.  I got a reply today from a DJ at Sirius, and before anyone gets excited she didn't have an answer.  But, she did respond, which was cool.  Robyn Lane from Buzzsaw.  I heard her say she had some news about Guns back in April.  I e-mailed her then and she got back to me and told me they'd be announcing some shows in the next few days.  Sure enough, 2 days later the Hammerstein shows were announced.  So I thought I'd try her out again.  She had a witty response.

Jay

Axl and his management change their stories more than I change my panties.  At
last check, "Chinese Democracy" will be out before the end of 2006.

I'll keep you posted.

All my best,
Robyn


So I don't see how the DJ's at Hair Nation would know something that the DJ's at Buzzsaw didn't.  Take it for what it's worth, which isn't much.  Sorry if that was all just a waste of time.

That's cool, man.  I thought this was a pretty good thread.

From that reply, do you get the impression that management maybe planted the idea of November 7th into the collective heads of Sirius DJ's?

When I emailed my dj (Ricker from KISW Seattle), he said he hadn't heard anything either and they usually find out stuff pretty early (or so they say).

howard 101 sirius....so good, must listen