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I don't know much about the how record companies make cds, but if CD is in fact coming out this year, how much time does it take from the point that the final master is submitted and the point that there are enough copies manufactored to release it to the publc?

I would imagine it would take a little while to make a million or so cds.

I just ask this because I believe that when CD goes into mass production we will hear something from someone. Be it someone who works at the factory or someone around the process. And since we haven't heard anything yet, it leads me to think that the final master copy has not been turned over yet. When do you think is the deadline for the master to be turned over if we want to have this cd released this year?

all those in the manufacturing process will be forced to sign a gag order  :hihi:

I totally agree, and have been thinking this for a while myself.  It takes 6 WEEKS to press a record; if the record was in production, someone would know about it and leak the info. 

There is no doubt that all those involved in the manufactoring process will have to sign a gag order. But the point is that with the large number of people that will hear about that process occuring there is bound to be a leak of information about it.

I'm sure the manufacturing process has already begun if not finished.

You have  avery good point.  :yes: :nervous:

It could already be done for all we know.  I mean Axl has said this year, Merck said on one of the Tuesdays before the  end of the year without an announcement.  So we'll see ... its goign to be very exciting.

That would mean finished copies of CD are made and ready to go...I doubt it. Surely someone would leak....I'm starting to think that we may not get CD in 2006... :no: Please let me be wrong!

i have pretty much said the same thing.  Yeah, Im sure there are gag orders, but word would still get out.  It hasnt been manufactured yet, and I doubt it will be out this year.

If it'd been pressed, it would have leaked already.  That's pretty much how albums leak, some dude pulls it off the conveyer belt and uploads it.

If it hasn't been pressed/manufactured by now, its not coming out in 2006.

i have also been thinking about this but didn't create a new thread because i thought people would misunderstand me and think i was saying that there is no chance CD will be released in this year and so on.. anyway someone said it takes 6 weeks, is that a fact and how do you know that?

Well record manufacturing companies do not go into business to press CD's so that someone with-in their compainies will leak the music. ?They are very well aware that they will get their assess sued if they're responsible for such leaks. ?

What happens is a final master from the studio (usually burned to a CD rom) is sent to the plant where a "glass master" is created. ?This "glass master" is used as a "main master" (or template) where all the CD copies are manufactured from. ?A "glass master" takes only a day to create. ?I'm guessing that perhaps they'll press about a million copies for shipping to the stores. ?Then maybe a few weeks ?later they'll press another run of a million or a roundabout number.

Hope this helps.

cybercurves

I wasnt trying to say that the CD itself would be leaked, I was saying that word would be out if the CD was about to be,or already was, pressed.  More because the packaging/artwork itself needs to be created/printed.  Thats what I think would get leaked before the music.

I think it would be pretty hard to hush a whole manufacturing plant up. I mean anything is possible I guess. Assuming nobody working when it is pressed is a GnR fan it could happen. I worked at a disc manufacturing plant in the "cube" portion of the building a few years ago. I had no special clearance really, but walked into the factory area where they pressed CDs, DVDs, and games on occasion and nobody ever hassled me. They peaked in my bag when I left the building every day, but other than than nothing. If there is going to be an effort to really hide this release and surprise everyone, they'll have to make an exception and change the whole process. Digital media at a manufacturing plant has to pass between many hands, there are scrap CDs thrown away, the list goes on.... At the very least I'd say we'll know when it is being manufactured.

Axl is burning copies of CD one by one on his computer.  Then he's printing out the artwork one by one using Microsoft Paint.  When he gets to a million, he'll let you know!

Some things are leak proof. Not everything lands in the internet's hands before the general public hears it.

When I made this thread I was in no way saying that the cd itself would leak. I was only saying that we would hear that the manufactoring process had begun. Meaning that something like this would occur;

some worker at the factory would mention to someone he knew that they were printing the new guns n' roses cd and then that friend would post on the internet what he heard. So far we have heard nothing to indicate that the manufactoring process has begun so I would say that is a pretty good indication that we are not as close to the release as we would like to think

Just pretend I have 6 posts............"Holy shit guys, my buddy Steve who works for this CD manufacturing plant just told me he's making the new Guns 'N Roses cd.  Don't take my word for it, but supposedly it's supposed to come out sometime in the next 8 weeks."  I'm sure you'll hear a rumor like this pop up now. 
Either way dude, most cds are made in like sweatshops in Taiwan and then shipped to America.  I wouldn't count on too many people over there giving a rats ass about telling their buddy about the CD.

 :rofl: :rofl:

I just pictured Axl fighting with the inkjet printer for taking 5 minutes to print each sheet in economic ink :hihi:

so everything suddenly makes lotta more sense.. that's why it's taking so long and why Merck can't announce a proper release date.. cuz even he doesn't know how much is gonna take Axl to finish printing all the artwork and burning all the copies

? ? ?Yo bro,

? ? Yes,actually that does help. I never knew about that whole process. It sounds very interesting.

 Now,I will look even smarter at parties and take the credit. Sorry.? :)? Thanks for the info though!? : ok:

? ? ? ? ? MATT

I still beleive it is coming out in 2006 but I have to admit, its basically November and its pretty weird we havent even had a CD rumor in over a month..

Im sure we'll get a release date and itll be close to the actual date when they announce it. Its gotta be any day now......

I really don't care if it was manufactured by some company... or burned personally by Axl and Co. one by one... I am supporting the band by buying the CD.

Neil Young got his last album written, recorded, manufactured, and shipped to stores all in about one month.  Assuming Axl has the first two out of the way, the rest may be done very quickly

In the digital age, there's no way this would be in the pressing stage yet and we WOULDN'T know about it. With the pressure built up around this, info would leak. It takes one person. Just one. The Internet is a beautiful thing.

Sadly, with each passing day, I'm growing more worried. Two weeks ago I was completely optimistic, but we're almost in November now and we have (a) no announcement (b) no single (c) no word on the album's progress.

Not trying to be a pessimist, just a realist.

If nothing happens in the next two weeks there really isn't much time for this to come out in 2006.

I just don't get it. I don't get why they're doing this. They could be taking advantage of so many factors right now for promotion.

Maybe Merek is pressing all 6 million in Axl's basement right now...

We should send Tom Hanks to investigate. (Burbs reference...never mind.)

According to Axl, it's been coming out "this year" since 1999.

But yeah, this time he's for real.  ::)

 :hihi: :hihi: and some oompa lompa no doubt

we will buy the cd this year :hihi: :peace: : ok:

CD should just drop on a Tuesday, and when you're standing in the middle of Best Buy at like 8:45pm, the lights should go out and Jungle start.

So then you know it's finally here!  : ok: :peace:

That would just tell us they have AFD in stock....

i remember only managing to download the last u2 album and system of a downs mesmerize cd on the friday before the monday they officially came out and i was constantly checking bittorrent , shareeza , kazza , album hosting websites etc for weeks up until i got them so its pretty obvious even if the records been in production for weeks its not until it leaves  the factory can we get hold of it before the shops put it on the shelf . it wouldnt surprise me if there was an xray machine or something at the production plant checking the staff. still i have to agree with the others no announcement in the two weeks  and its curtains for a 2006 release :no:

We might not be able to download it until it leaves the manufacturing plant, but we would most certainly know that it's in production. That would have to be any day now. Well, unless..... :'(

If its in mass production, which it either is now or will be very soon then we wont know about it. When filesharing really kicked off the RIAA sued the shit out of alot of CD pressing plants because they finally realised that this was where most of the leaks were coming from. The industry also caught up and now own their own pressing plants, especially in the US. So all of the work is done in house, not to mention the fact that the entire process is automatic, so the amount of people working at these plants is very small. Either way we wont know about it, the industry has had alot of time to catch up and implement the neccessary security proceedures.

Jonx

I also think that an annoncement is close. But the fact that no rumours about CD came out, points to a pretty good job by Axl and Merck in hiding news...

You know about this kind of stuff?

I've heard the same, that the security measures have been tightened alot over the past couple of years. I don't know the details, but I would pressume that the guys working there would at least know that the album is being handled by their company. Rumors fly fast among co-workers, no matter what confindentiality agreement they've signed. Atleast that's my experience.

I previously worked within the CD/DVD manufacturing industry. If a new release, which was being kept underwraps was scheduled for pressing, the record company would give us an alias for the title and artist. Example: Artist: The rifle tootin florists. Title: Red Ruling. ? ?

Although when the artwork, glass mastering takes places everyone would know who the artist was. The printed booklets/inlays would be printed and supplied in 5 working days, the CD the same time to master, duplicate, and print the face. It would then only take the time to fulfil the jewel case. The whole process from reciept of the master to distribution could be done in 7 days if capacity had been pre-booked.

It still could be underwraps for a November release. Hope this makes sense.

Tanks for the info, appreciated :smoking:

That could be the reason the band is so big too... In order for Axl to speed up the process he hired more band mates to burn copies and print out the covers on their own PC's. The reason Pitman is in the band is because he has more than one working printer...  :hihi:

I am Just kidding... if management or axl actually reads this.... just bored...

I wouldn't worry about this at all, in this day and age millions of CD's can be produced in just a few days - shipping it would take only a few days - the whole thing can be made and in the shops in a week or so.

Just cos no-one has leaked info about cd's manufactoring yet doesn't mean it's too late for it to be done.

Thanks for this. ?I was going to comment but everything you said is spot on.....

You can manny a CD is about 7 to 10 days, so long as you've booked the time with the pressing plant in advance.

So that's why it's taken 13 years. That's why the first two gigs of this tour were cancelled. He hadn't finished yet. Or maybe its not Axl. Maybe that's Chris Pittman's job. Under the guise of a second keyboardist. I knew something was up with that guy.

Thanks for the info. Makes 100% sense. Here's hopin for a November release then  :beer:

I really hope that we have at least SOME notice as to the release date, and CD doesn't just show up in a store some Tuesday morning without me knowing it.

Back when UYI I & II were released, they had the midnight release party, and I got there at 10:30pm, and still had to stand in a line 200 people long.

After waiting so long, I have told my wife that NO MATTER WHAT, I will be one of those who has CD in his hands within an hour of the official release.  I only hope that I KNOW when that will be.  I am sure if they do announce a date, that all the media stores will have a special event to release it.

Excellent info.

1 question tho.. how often was this the case? How many records per year wer given alias titles and can you remember the artists they the CDs turned out to be from.

My point being would the employees but curious as to the identity of the CD in question or are they handling so many of these types of Cds that they wouldnt care who the real artist was.

In large companies, most Account Managers would have specific clients to deal with. As a senior member of the company I dealt with larger clients such as EMI and Sony. Although the relationship I had with my clients was that 95% of the time with new releases they would tell me the artist info etc... Although if it were for a large release this would have required the client to pre-book capacity, which meant having to raise an advanced purchase order. In that situation they would give us a false name.

It was kind of a game to work out who the artist was. Like I said, these orders are produced so quickly it never really caused a problem. Although I am pretty sure copies were taken by staff prior to their official release.

I;m not saying you're wrong, but I would like to point something out. I think alot of people forget that many people that work in those type of industries don't really care what they're doing.

Some might, but alot of them just go in, work their job and don't pay attention to what they're working on. Let alone the chances of one of them being a member at a place like this where they'd be able to share the info.

Surely a worldwide release would require a coordinated pressing process to take place at certain major distribution plants around the world, america, europe asia etc.... austrailia. I mean, cd wouldnt just be pressed in one place and shipped all over the world from there would it???

In this case I think it would, it greatly reduces the risk of bieng leaked.

That can't be right, he's on tour and would have to leave the stage during shows to load the printer or change cartridges ?:-X

bet we have to wait 2 hours at the counter to get served when this beauty finally drops..... :rofl:

You are correct, there would be at least 10 pressing plants working towards meeting the same worldwide production schedule. Although some larger plants can manufacture and pack 6million discs per day!

They would most likely be manufactured by companies from within the same group. These larger pressing plants are able to attract the larger record companies for the precise reason to counter piracy, internet theft etc....

I see no reason for alarm yet. This is 2006 this can come together real quick, hell it could be done by now sitting in a freaking warehouse ready for distribution tagged something else. ?Which i hope is the case. I hope it does not leak.

Have some patience.

I think we will not know anything until distribution, possibly only a few days before release. And think of this, if they do not give an actual release date yet, nobody is looking for it. ?If I'm a guy in that comes in contact with the process I'm looking extra hard right before that date, but if i do not know that date i get tired of looking my guard is down. ?

Thanks for info since you have actully experience in the industry.

Do you think they would risk that with CD having so many plants or would they stick to one of the bigger plants and just ship worldwide. I know I'm guessing now, but hell that is normal around here.

Yea I mean in your opinion.... how many days do you think they could press it before releasing it and do you think it will leak?

Could it say, be pressed one week then on the shelves the next?

I'm concerned ever since the Rolling Stone article got pulled from this site that the statement that CD will be coming out this year is on shaky ground. ?Has anyone heard anything to the contrary?

This is my own personal opinion and in no way fact...

Ok, because of the record company and their association I think they will press and distribute the CD for the European release in Germany, in a place called Gutterslou? (Spelling) The place sounds like I have spelt it. There are 5 partners for the USA release. ranging from Boston, San Fran, Kentucky etc.. Zhong Guo for the Chinese and Asian markets. Maybe a seperate supplier in Japan? Maybe Yaroslavl in Russia for the baltics.

Like I said only my gut feelings from having worked in the industry.

Well it seems like meanmachine73 knows his shit ?::)
Good to hear.
It is weird to read posts starting with meanmachine.. I always think it was me until i recognized that my english is much poorer than what i read from meanmachine73 ?:hihi:

Well it wouldn't be a problem to have the CD Mastered, pressed, printed material produced, and jewel cases fulfiled in 7 working days, then maybe 2 days to distribute. At this time of the year, working days are 7 days a week... So to answer your question 10 actual days and it could be in the shops.

In terms of it leaking, I was in quite a senior position in the company I worked and was never checked by security, the average worker is scanned by a hand held detector, bags, luch boxes etc checked. So if there was someone in my position that wanted the disc they COULD leak it. Again only in my experience of the working of the manufacturing process.

nice work meanmachine thanks for the info :beer:

i think you mean G?tersloh :hihi:   well anyways....

Yep thats the one. Apologies for the spelling. Although having been there it didnt leave me too many fond memories...lol

Really stellar information, Meanmachine...Cheers

as much as i'd hate to say it-if tracks were leaked before the album was even finished then that suggests it will be leaked before release. After all the hush-hush and gagging orders soem still slipped the net-how can they possibly be certain of containing it once its manufactured into a million copies. Some jerk who cares not for music GnR, Axl or anything will see ChiDem and leak it-just to be the guy/girl to do it.  A pre relase leak wont neccesarily hurt the sales all that much though. whoever DLs it here will still buy multiple copies. once its release it will be everywhere (limewire/newsgroups) llike all albums are these days.

If it leaks it will be to a newspaper, like there would be a bit of dosh to anybody giving say "The Sun" an exclusive with this baby... :yes:

Christ "the sun", thats what wrong with Britain today...

Don't forget the Daily Mail.

The CD has taken 10 years because Axl is copying each CD personally on his computer to ensure that nothing is leaked.

the Axl lab has also been testing anti piracy methods....

I'm know printing business.. so if we're talking about the artwork, all the employees working on it (or in the company anyway) have signed an agreement to shut the fuck up about it. That's the simple rule in every company. But printing/pressing can take a long time if there appears to be some corrections or other problems. Altough, it's quite possible that the artwork is already done and printed. And then Axl wants to add one more song, so they have to do it again :hihi:

surely they could press CD in a country where nobody gives a fuck about GN'R

that way no-one would know in the rest of the world whats going on

he wont need that many

Not a country, but Philly fits the bill :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That'd be a pretty hard country to find.

We'll have it this year.
The only proof I need is
Axl's and Merck's words.

The pressing info
Meanmachine73
Gave was GREAT. ?Thanks, sir!!

Splash

/Mike

That explains the 14 year wait!

havent we had their word before?  It doesnt mean anything.  They are just telling us what we want to hear. Dont get your hopes up.

haha yeah it really sucked back then too burning disks @ 2x :rofl:

@ crow...yeah we have but not like it's been this year :peace:

Yeah, how many times can Windows crash in 14 years? :rofl:

It is different now, and I know the cd is coming.  Im just not gonna get excited it until its in my hands.

Wait.. The oxygen tanks :o It's all clear now! At Donnington his printer jammed a paper so Bach had to step in ;O


Thanks for the info meanmachine :)

So do we know which company will be manufacturing CD then?