Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Slash left Guns N' Roses. Hard to believe it's been ten years.

10 years ago, tomorrow........

Slash wasnt cool anymore.
 :-\

Nah.. Slash is still cool.. ;)

That is crazy though.. 10yrs.. WOW!

i remember well reading/hearing about it on MTV in a Axl Rose fax..

Does anyone have a copy of that??

I also remember something about there will be

NO Website

NO Tour

Stuff like that in that same fax to MTV

Wow. ?Sd, isn't it. ?And to think at that time we were all probably thinking we would get something new from GNR within a year.

I remember that... it hardly made any sense lol... something about Slash jumping in and finding the monkey.
Then MTV did some 1/2 hour or hour-long GNR special about all speculation around guns and ultimately said nothing

YEP!

I searched Yahoo and this is was came up..heres the link: http://hem.passagen.se/snoqalf/tr-19961030-fax.html

I'll Post it too:

LIVE!!!! From "Burning Hills", California...

Due to overwhelming enthusiasm, and that "DIVE IN AND FIND THE MONKEY" attitude....

#1. There will NOT be a Guns N' Roses tour.

#2. There will NOT be an official Guns N' Roses web site.

#3. There will NOT be any NEW Guns N' Roses videos.

#4. There will NOT be any new Guns N' Roses involved merhandise.

#5. There will NOT be a Guns N' Roses Fan Club.

#6. There will be a new Guns N' Roses 12 song minimum recording with
three original "B" sides.

? ? ?NOTE: If all goes well this will be immediately repeated.

#7. However*******Slash will not be involved in any new Guns N' Roses
endeavors? as far has not been musically involved with Guns N" Roses
since April 1994 with the exception of a BRIEF feel period with Zakk
Wylde and a 2 week initial period with Guns N' Roses in the late fall
of '95. He (Slash) has been "OFFICIALLY and LEGALLY" outside of the
Guns N' Roses Partnership since December 31, 1995.

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ***************************************************

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Nothing here is Subject To Change
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Without A PERMANENT SUSPENSION
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Of the "Pseudo Studio Musician Work Ethic"


? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? SINCERELY,
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? W. Axl Rose

Is this the right one?? Its pretty funny. Its wierd its been 10 years since than, I find the time has gone by rather faster than expected. :smoking:

so why did he leave the band , I hear many of storys , what's the most accurate or belived amongst the majority of you long time fans.

Wowzer. Crazy stuff.

And still no album. What can you do? I pray this is the year. Maybe all the "Slash is gone!?" people can go away.

a few reasons. Him and Axl didnt see eye to eye in music they somewhat did But Slash wanted to stick to the basic roots...Axl wanted to move a long a little bit...At this point i dont blame either. They went there seperate ways I believe deepo down Slash just didnt wanna be in GNR he wanted to do his thing his way play what he wanted to play. and now we have velvet revolver.

After everything I have read, I just go with the theory both of them have egos way to big to work together.

That fax is always wierd to read again, considering there is a tour, there is a official website, there is new merchandize, apparently there is a fan club in the works.


I belive the Slash is gone people will always be there because the name guns n roses. Once the new album comes out and the band gets more press than people will know slash is gone but you'll always have a few saying WHAT??!! WHERE THE HELL IS SLASH!!??...but its to be expected.? :smoking:

slash left the band because he couldnt cope with axl anymore. he wanted to try something else..something fresh. slash aint a bad guy...and axl isnt either..they both moved on..i kno for a fact that axl doesnt hate slash and slash doesnt hate axl. they both rock and will always rock.

so what does all this mean? that at this period of time axl's plan was to never again record a video for a song, never tour again, not to have a website, not selling merchandise..

or was this only about what would happen in 1996?

and what is "DIVE IN AND FIND THE MONKEY"?

Great post soori  : ok:

I'd be willing to bet that he only ment that it would not happen in 1996

Unbelievable. 10 years. I remember being in college and all my friends were into grunge and would give me shit about GN'R. My whole freshman year I blabbed on about how Axl Rose, Slash, Duff, Matt, Dizzy and Paul Huge were going to deliver a well placed kick to the balls of the music industry with Guns' next release....

THEN...

came THE FAX.

A bleak day. I have to say- at that point in time... I couldn't possibly fathom how the band could continue on.

But... somehow it did... and 10 years later I'm blabbing into my same friends' ears about Chris Pitman and Frank Ferrer.: ok:

Anyway, cheers to Slash.:beer:

As much as we may have all wanted him in- he may very well be dead right now if he stayed- that's apparently how depressed and disconnected he felt about the state of GN'R at that time. Glad he's found VR, and still remains a rock icon to this day. Great to see Axl on good streak these days as well.

I remember getting the news from Rolling Stone Magazine in the library at my college. ( Im gettin old!) I remember Slash saying in an interview around this time period that Axl wanted to sound like Pearl Jam and Slash was not into that. Slash wanted to move forward with the GNR sound, but did not want to stray too far from the blues based rock influences. Axl wanted to experiment a lot more than Slash did.

Oh! I remember this. Yeah, I always wondered what the whole "DIVE IN AND FIND THE MONKEY" thing was all about.  :hihi:

Yup. Hard to believe... but the internet still wasn't that big a deal back in.... so instead we'd get these little brief mentions in Rolling Stone every 6 months... "Axl Rose is in the studio with Duff McKagan, Paul Huge, Robin Finck and Chris Vrenna... hard at work on an industrial-style Guns N' Roses album slated for a late 1997 release. Matt Sorum and Dizzy Reed may or may not be in the band according to Doug Goldstein. Moby is producing. Slash is touring with Blues Ball." And that would be all we had to go on for the next 6-12 months.... I don't know how I survived.:o

Funny, I didn't even keep count.


FINCK & THAL in '08!

Ten years ago, WOW!!!     and Axl really had a hard time finding the way without his lead guitarist    :peace: :peace:

I always have thought that if Slash would have agreed to do something industrial back in the day, we would have gotten the follow up to the spagetti incident a long time ago, and inevitably after not being so succesful with that, Guns N' Roses would have gone to basics again, and reinvent themselves....  I really think Slash should have given it a shot, just for fun, but I guess Axl's behavior also killed the fun back in the day, wanting to take control over the band, that wasn't nice   :-\

And of course the writing process wasn't the same without Izzy there...he was the equilibrium there... no doubt about it.

Well, the new guys are cool, but I still miss the old band... That's just me though.

and to think, half the world's population still doesn't know he has left...

#6. There will be a new Guns N' Roses 12 song minimum recording with
three original "B" sides.

Anybody know what ever happened to this?

Its funny it all stems from 2 different ideas but im not getting slash here. I know the stones broke up for a short time for similar reasons But i mean the stones would experiment a lot. If the new music is any indication to me its just moving on with the GNR sound. Thats why i somewhat part with axl's side.

I love both i mean slash is my favorite guitarist and theres prolly more to it. but this is not the way to leave GNR and the fact that Axl bought GNR has NOTHING to do with this. Slash left the band. I remember Keither telling slash You NEVER quit. and i agree. experiment a bit and see what comes of it. I believ both slash and axl are stubrun musicians.

Its probally in a vault somewhere, or been destroyed... Hopefully the first, if theres any chance we'll ever hear it....

It's still in Axl's disc changer in his Lamborghini...

Oh yeah I remember those days too well.  I had just started college in '96 and I was coming back into my dormroom when my roommate told me he just saw on MTV that Slash had left GNR.  Its crazy how clearly you remember things that kinda shook your world up a little bit.  It seemed like the internet was taking off by then with Yahoo! leading the way and the dot-com boom was gathering steam.  So there was some info out there on GNR including this site that came online at almost the exact same time.  There were rumored track listings for the new album and countless rumors swirling.  I still get the same thrill every time I've checked for GNR news on HTGTH and other (lesser) sources for these last 10 years.  Its my Prozac.

Yeah and if Slash come back he will be cool again !!!
bahhh  :no:

was it in Halloween?

wow, it's happened lots of things in these 10 years.. no one at that time would have imagined this turn of current events.. who would have thought at that time when everything seemed lost and destroyed forever that 10 years later GN'R would be touring again :peace:

and it's kind of ironic that 10 years later all the things that are preceeded by a NOT in that fax are now a YES

If you listen to OMG and the 99 demo of IRS, it is pretty clear Axl was in a pretty hardcore industrial sound type mode in the late 90's. I am pretty sure that sound is what Slash was referring to when he has talked about Axl wanting to be like NIN.

The newer version of IRS sounds much more rock, and less industrial sounding than the demo from 99. I get the sense that the music we ultimately hear on CD will be closer to the sound Slash would have wanted 10 years ago. Axl just had to go through his industrial phase to realize it wasn't going to work, which is why we never saw an album 6-7 years ago.

Izzy left GN'R and didn't loose his coolness tho...

very good points and i think you're right but i have to believe there was a little more to slash's departure then just a disagreement in the musical direction of the band

Whaaat?! Slash has left GNR?!Seriously? Ahh fuck:(
What do you guys think, should Axl change the name of the band now?!

I thought Buckethead was just Slash with a mask and KFC bucket? WTF :rant: But seriously, who's Slash?

That is so fuckin sad. wow today is a sad day

THAT'S JUST WHAT i SAID............

10-31-06 Chinese Democracy appears on the shelves.  Axl's sense of humor at its best  :hihi:

 Yeah,I wouldn't make that "rock icon" statement just yet......I mean,you're not THAT cool if your doing a fuckin' Volkswagon commercial.
 It's one thing to have your music played in a commercial and it's an ENTIRE different animal to actually APPEAR in one. Slash doesn't need the fuckin' money. It only makes him look sad.

 People not in the "know" about him and the new version of GN'R will say "Wow,that guy from Guns N' Roses has really fallen,huh? Reduced to making commercials." I was embarrassed FOR him when I saw it and he doesn't even know me!

 And Velvet Revolver's "Contraband" was cool for like 5 minutes. I bought it the first day,solely on the tracks "Slither" and "Set Me Free",which are still good but,they didn't make any history or move mountains with it and I barely even play it any more.

Axl wants to experiment and try new things (we knew this back from "My World"-which was AHEAD of it's time and I HATED it back then and now think it's fuckin' cool-Axl knew it then) and Slash needs to take off the fuckin' blinders and realize that it's not 1990. He's still an amazing guitar player but,he's mindset is stuck in one gear,I believe.

 ?ADAPT OR DIE. That is how life is. In all areas and situations.
I mean,how many of you still play tapes man?!? What loser is holding on to their 8 tracks??? Have many of you listened to the "new" songs from Motley Crue or Aerosmith? How about AC/DC?
Can you tell the difference from their earlier songs and now? Have they grown as a band or have they tried to hold on to an era that has passed them by?!? ?

 ?THEY SUCK,is the answer. ?:yes:
 
Axl knows this fact of life and he refuses to watch this band become a musical joke. Granted,he's been written off as a joke for not releasing CD yet,et.al.,but,as of this post his integrity and legacy are currently intact as spectacular due to his past work and will have another chapter written when Chinese Democracy released.
He doesn't want to have people say/write ?"Yeah,it's the same GN'R....no real leap forward here....just a rehash"...etc.
 
 You get the point.

 Axl is right and Slash is doing a fuckin' Volkswagon commercial. ?;D

 ? ?MATT

 ?P.S.- Oh and Slash will cry ?:'( when he hears Chinese Democracy and realize that he should have showed up at Axl's door at 5 A.M. a whoooole lot sooner!!! ?:yes:


 

If GNR Adapted to the bullshit puss rock of the 80s we would never had appetite fior destruction.

If GNR Adapted to the bullshit puss rock of the 80s we would never had appetite fior destruction.

? ?How could've they adapted to something......from nothing. ??? You can't adapt to something BEFORE you release a cd. That makes no sense. They either started as "puss rock" or they didn't.? And since they didn't,they chose to continue on from THAT point. Goodnight.


? ? ? ? MATT

Dude- I've supported Axl over Slash all these years too- but Slash IS an icon. One cheese dick commercial won't erase his years of killer riffs... and his "all around" cool rock star image. Most people I've talked to were actually psyched to see him on TV. Until CD is released and it rocks... Thal, Finck and Fortus are pimples on the ass of rock history in comparison to Slash... and I LOVE the new band.

Dude, things like this make me lol.  :hihi:

Contraband has sold 3 million copys. More than any new Motley Crue or Aerosmith (I believe).. not only that, but Velvet Revolver is working on a brand new album, with a great producer, and putting alot of time into it.

Slash is great and "Axl is god" fans like you make me.. haha, I dunno. It's funny.

"Slash is a sellout he did a commercial!"
"Contraband wasn't UYI2!"
"Chinese Democracy will make Slash cry and bow down to god Axl"

I like Axl too. But get a life!

slash is really keeping up with axl lately, i'd put slash's commercial up against everything gnr are doing.... not  :rofl:

who cares, it was 10 years ago that the search for ROBIN FINCK started, FUCK YEAH!!!

HAHAHA! DUDE! LOLZ YUR FUNNY!  :beer: :beer:

Axl's cancelled 2002 tour, riots, no album for 13 years, revolving lineup and barely functional PR really compare to Slash's many recent tours, his 3x Platnium album, his functional website and band PR, and his 2nd album that is likely coming out early next year.

NOT! LOLZ! PIZZONeD!1!!!

 :hihi:

I like Axl more than I like Slash, but you guys are sad.

 The people who were "psyched" to see him do those ads are fuckin' pathetic too. ?If "One cheese dick commercial" doesn't kill it for ya,how many will it take??
 How about 5? Maybe some print ads? How 'bout seeing Slash hawking some T-Mobile phones w/ Catherine Zeta-Jones?!? ?
 
 CZJ - "Ya know Slash,with Unlimited Minutes,you could catch up with ALL of your old friends." (wink)
 Slash - (smiling) "I know a few I'd like to reach out and touch."
 CZJ - "Well,you can talk as LONG as you like....especially to California and wherever else your friends might be touring."
 ?Slash - "Thanks Catherine!"

 Shit,I could direct this fuckin' commercial! And bro,I was embarrassed way back when Slash was doing that shit with Michael "I have busy hands" Jackson.
 I remember screaming at the T.V. "YOU'RE IN GUNS N' FUCKIN' ROSES FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING WITH MICHAEL JACKSON?!?!? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?! DO YOU KNOW HOW DUMB YOU LOOK??"

 And now to hear that Pharrell is going to produce VR's next album. Duff says "It's gonna be funky." Scott? Weiland says "It's gonna be more danceable." Fuckin' please. It's fuckin' lame. PERIOD.
And,if Slash was SO happy with VR,he would ignore and dismiss every attempt in an interview and article to talk about a possible GN'R reunion and not show up at AXl's door practically begging to be let back into Guns.

To recap,Slash believes that:Scott is a "fraud",Duff is "spineless" and he "hates" Matt Sorum. Yeah! Sounds like Slash is doing just fine w/o Axl!! I can't wait for the Taco Bell commercials.

 Fuck that,fuck Slash and fuck you. ?

 
 ? ? ? ? ? ? MATT

Jeez, what a sad, sad post. If your name was correct and indeed you were a real fan then you'd appreciate Slash for the legend that he is and the qulaity work that he does. So what if hes in an advert, people recognise him and hes an icon. Slash sells, why should he not take advantage of it? At least hes not out biting people or whatever. So what if he worked with Michael Jackson? Richard Fortus has worked with fucking Nsync - what do you think of that?

'I remember screaming at the T.V. "YOU'RE IN GUNS N' FUCKIN' ROSES FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING WITH MICHAEL JACKSON?!?!? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?! DO YOU KNOW HOW DUMB YOU LOOK??" '

You need to get out more.

seems longer than 10 years to me....thats crazy

I was thinking of posting the same thing, but the former Commander & Chief beat me to it.

The only part that still saddens me is the fact that some people are still moaning over the breakup. Slash has been gone from GNR for 10 years, and he's not coming back.

Whatever happened, went down between Axl and Slash 10 yeas ago. Does it matter that much anymore?

Stop emberassing yourself, it's pathetic. Wait until the Harley Davidson commercial with Better hits the screens. How cool is that, huh? It's the same cheesey crap.

Well, no Slash's commercial is less cheesey since he doesn't have a rock song under a vid with sheep in it. Slas just plays guitar in front of a car. Hey, I have an idea. We'll do a survey when both commercials are out and let's see which one the general public likes best?

 ::)

Fucking pathetic

Some people got no respect at all for the former Guns... is amazing, GNR was big because of all of them, they are big and they will always be ! Axl didn't do all the past music by himself.

I support that, these guys forget why they even like Guns N roses nowadays....
If Slash and Izzy hadn't written so much great stuff were would Axl be, in some LA fucking remembrance band??? doing booze and drugs with someone that looked like Steven ADler??? Please people, these guys might be another phase of GN'R that's all I can grant you... If the name is famous is because those old guys worked their asses off....? Get the point

Seems nowadays it's easier to get in a band that has a big name already than to rise with a new one....? right?

Okay, i'm sorry. Gilby & Teddy Zig Zag were also cool...

no dude you said "ADAPT OR DIE - Thats how life is in all situations" and GNR went against the grain and neither adapted NOR died... so i win.? PAYCE WE OUTTA HERE!

That was a really sad, sad day. The worst in GN'R's history.  :'(


And the other sad thing is that some people act like stalinist, they're full of hatred against the guys who made Guns N' Roses with Axl. They wanna fulfill some needs they think that exist. How fuckin' pathetic. The decision to move this thread to the Dead Horse section was another sad move. Some people here don't really know what Guns N' Roses is, what it was. They call themselves 'real fans'. Keep on denying the truth.

also, i've realized i don't have a problem with slash doing a commerical.

after one of my favorite artists (ryan adams) did a gap commercials people were pissed as hell and his only response was "who the HELL says no to 30 grand an hour!?!"

thats crazy, i cant believe its been 10 years, time flies

 You dumb fuckin' bastard. I DO appreciate the quality of his previous work but, his current fuckin' "work" is playing guitar trying to sell Volkswagon cars. You call that being cool?!? You dumb shit.
And if YOU were a "real fan" also,you'd've been ashamed when he played w/ Michael Jackson too. Fuckin' Axl even said so after that shit too. Why would you lower yourself? That's what I feel when I see those fuckin' Volkswagon ads.
I would think you'd be pissed off,as I would,if we saw Axl do some dumb ass commercial. That won't happen. They could barely get the guy to be a presenter at the VMA's,probably 'cause he was worried he'd look DUMB. Just like Slash is RIGHT NOW. Doesn't matter what he's done. It'as about NOW. It tarnishes you image and all that you've worked for if you LOWER yourself. Would you be comfortable seeing Slash do an Infomercial?

 And to repeat myself,it's one thing to have your music played in a commercial,ala "PC" or "Better" for Harley Davidson and it is an ENTIRE DIFFERENT SCENARIO? to stand there and ith your guitar plugged in and wearing your top hat and sell your fuckin' soul for some easy fuckin' cash. Slash wil be in GN'R if Axl LETS him. Get the fuck over it. Slash walked away and now he fuckin' regrets it. He should get over it as well.

And Fortus never played with N'Sync on stage,stupid ass.

? ? ? ? ? ? MATT

finck never played with nsync on stage? so fuckin what? slash hasn't driven a volkswagon onstage...it was a fuckin commercial


pharell isn't producing the VR album, rick rubin is.

you shut the fuck up matt "real fan" psh, fuck that, you're no real fan without the respect for what made GNR GNR...axl and his band would be nowhere without the masterminds that made GNR great...

Axl was the mastermind that made GN'R great.

When are you guys going to get that?

 Yeah,you're right,Finck never played onstage with N'Sync....unfortunately,we were talking about RICHARD FORTUS ,who has worked with N'Sync and yet,HAS NEVER PLAYED WITH THEM ONSTAGE.? Jerk. Off.

 Pharrell was in talks to produce but,I guess they settled on Rick Rubin,'cause they came to their senses. Btw,Slash's credibility altogether would be out the window if he drove around in a VW in the ad.

 And bitch,I've been a fuckin' "REAL FAN" since Nineteen Eight Fuckin' Seven. Through in and through out. Eat my dick. Talk shit after you've had more than 16 posts.

 I respect the past and enjoy it but,I don't hold on to bullshit dreams ('cause that's what they are) of Slash and anyone else having a reunion with Axl,etc. The only ones I EVER hear talking about that happening.....is Slash and his die-hard fans. (And Steven Adler who is extremely desparate and I actually feel sorry for him. I'm glad the man has cleaned himself up and glad that he didn't die from his stroke but,his time has past and he needs to realize this.)
 
 Axl has never even given one iota of a kernel of truth to the fuckin' consideration of? that reunion dream. Axl is content with moving forward with the newest incarnation of GN'R.

 "Purists" will argue that this isn't the real GN'R but,those people are retarded. 'Cause Guns,the "original" version,died when they fired Adler and Dizzy joined. It wasn't the "same" since then. Since then it's been a revolving door of musicians. Sorum,Gilby,976-Horns,Teddy Zig Zag,Paul Huge,Josh Freese,Dave Navarro. Notice I wrote Musicians not "Members".? ?Hell,you wanna get into semantics,if you let Slash and Adler back in,then Tracii Guns should be allowed back in too! He's half the fuckin' name!! It wasn't the same since he left either!!!

 But,then again,FUCK those purists. It's about an evolution. Slash resisted change and walked the fuck out. Slash wants to be AC/DC and sound the same on every album. That's sad. Like I said,"Contraband" broke NO ground. It's already forgotten.

You people have heard the CD leaks. Those fuckin' songs kick serious ass and we've only heard a few and they were DEMOS! This band will laugh until they cough blood at the all of the critics who have to eat crow at how good this album will be.

 And Slash is nowhere to be found on it.

? ? ? ? ? Love,

? ? ? ? ? MATT

Well Matt, I agree with everything you've wrotte but not with the style you used. There's no need to start insulting other posters if they disagree with you.

I get your point though.

:D :D!!..
Bullshit..
A real fan..wouldnt try and put down past members..which you are so clearly doing right now..
and, I would hardly call what you are saying "respect.".. ::)

I'm sure if they collaborated under the right circumstances, reconciled, and it was the right thing to do for the band, anything's possible in a the theory of a reunion. For years people said Axl would never reconcile with guys like Izzy, Steven, Matt & Gilby... and yet... here we are.

But I don't see the guys in there right now getting thrown to the wayside, just so the originals can come back. Just like with Izzy, he was a special guest.

Now if it was a situation that say for example, Brain & Frank both went on to other things, and Matt was interested in returning and they saw eye-to-eye on the situation, I wouldn't think that'd be a problem, or Robin wanted to NIN full-time again, or Tommy in The Replacements. And everybody was cool, I would see it possibly happening.

But I think with these guys right now, they are a band. They're Guns N' Roses 2006, and their priorities lie 100% with GN'R right now.

ah, eat your own dick, bastard

i'm out of this thread, i can't stand this pretentious fuck

Just can't stand you're not invited to the party that is GN'R-2006, can you?

 ;D : ok:

ya know whats funny?

EVERY fucking thread that brings slash up turns into a blood bath.

LAAAAAAAAAAAME.