Here Today... Gone To Hell!

It was hilarious- he directed toward the members of this forum and of mygnrforum.  I don't think anyone reported this yet.  He said "I haven't done what they call a rant in a long time, but I'm going to rant right now.  You know... I don't really have a problem with all the cameras and tape recorders and all of that, but I think it is fucked up how there are people out there complaining that we are not changing up the show every night.  Fuck that.  I could give a fuck about some guy in Ireland sitting at home behind his computer who doesn't even go to the shows.  We're going to do what we do and play what you want to hear."

I immediately thought of all of us who sit on here anticipating some new songs or a changed set list each night there is a concert somewhere.  It was a good show last night by the way.  We met a bunch of cool puerto rican people that know how to rock harder than most of these pussies on the continental united states.  Also, I met Beta and who appeared to be her daughter at the Ritz Carlton the day before the show.  They were cool.  And... the concert was almost sold out.  I'm glad this tour seems to be going well.

if that is true then its hilarious... but for some reason I am not really believing you. 

already reported  ;)

but thanks  :D

This is the first I've heard of this particular rant, but it sounds hilarious. Finally, Axl calling out all the douchebags that spend their time bitching and moaning about shows they didn't even go to. I can't wait to hear a boot of this show.

Thats fucking awesome.  Couldn't agree more.

so here... who's from Ireland and whines about this gnr tour ?  :hihi:

im from ireland and defend the setlist!

oh noes! axl hates us!

oh man. what are we gonna do?! he isnt never gonna come back!

It's fantastic, and he couldn't be more right. I'm getting sick and tired of the whining ninnies, here and elsewhere that take over every single thread and dominate it with their own opinions. It's stopped me posting much more than I do; in 2001- 2003 I was much more keen on the forums, but these kind of guys just ruin the feeling and seem to think that entire tours are run for their, rather than the audience's benefit.

Last time I checked every audience they play for loves a classic heavy set. What's wrong with that? People  want to go and have a good time, hear the songs they like, and sing their heart out. Reminds me of the morons here complaining about fans singing at concerts and ruining their bootleg. Or complaining that shows go on past their bedtime.

Do these people actually ever go to the shows? Feel the atmosphere, the mood, the energy this set list creates? Doesn't seem like it.

I swear, I'm so nearly finished with the message boards because of the constant whinging in the update threads. If I were Jarmo, I'd really be wondering why I bothered.

Now we'll get all the threads complaining how Axl doesn't rant as good as he used to back in the day. ?:hihi:

Pretty funny stuff.....im glad axl called the whiners out. im also glad that hes cool with the bootlegging apparently...more bands ought to be, provided said bootleggers arent trying to profit from them. : ok:

the whiners just will never get it through their thcik skulls that most bands do not change setlists drastically everynight when they tour...and if you plan on seeing a band 8 times on a given tour, odds are you'll be hearing the same setlist with a few songs swapped in and out. price of having hits is that you're kinda obligated to play em' :P

that said, when CD is finally released during this tour, i think you will hear maybe 1 or 2 new tunes swapped in place of some AFD stuff.

why did he pick out the Irish??!! it wasnt me whining about the setlist just to set the record straight!

Fuckin' Axl doesn't even rant as good as he used to back in the day.

 :rant:

fuck axl. we dont need him.

jim corr should release a solo record.

haha irish rose...he was just saying..don't take it personally ?:peace:

I've always said the se twill change after the album is out and not before..it's nice of him to aknowledge the complainers though...especially to tell them to fuckoff :rofl:

 :hihi: Too funny! Don't take it personally guys. He just picked a country!

YYYAAAYYY Axl!

I have been getting tired of the whining too.  Like someone up there ^^ said, people just won't get it through their skulls.  The set is for the people at the show, many thousands whom probably don't even know the GNR message boards exist, let alone post on.  There are only a few of us who hang out on these boards to find out what happens at each and every show. 

I say this as a person who went to a show in 2002, all 4 Hammersteins, and will be going to Worchester in a few weeks.  Yeah the set is the same, and I expect it.  At the time I'm at a show, I completely loose my mind and just rock the fuck out  :peace:

;D

Probably because there's no Irish dates on the North American tour...

The point is, people who aren't going, or even planning on going or even planning on being on the same continent where the tour is, complain about the shows.


Sounds like it was a great show. ?: ok:




/jarmo

I really hope that this rant is true because i like many others have supported Axl and Guns N' Roses on this issue, they play the songs people in General want to hear you know the classics the ones we know and love, yes it would be great if they played Civil War or Estranged etc but to me whats the Greatest is that this band is out on the road playing Kick ass shows and putting the Rock back into our lives. Like its been said the only people moaning are the fuckers at home bitching on the update page, try spending some Dollars or pounds or Euros and going to a fucking Show to see how different a show is to an update page or a muffled bootleg.

Theres more to a concert than a setlist. If you love this band, you dont get tired of the songs.

Haha, look I am a person who has criticized the setlist repeatedly, and its great that apparently many of you support GNR regardless.... but he is going to get panned in the tri-state area if he doesnt mix it up. ?Whether you guys on this board care, or if Axl himself cares, that is not the issue. ?He played 4 shows at Hammerstein in May with essentially the same songs played (a few changes here and there) and he is playing 1 show in NJ and 1 in NYC. ?

I think everyone would like for the band to do well, so its important that he does switch it up, or else he is setting himself up for a negative review that will reach more than the 10k-15k fans he plays to each night. ?

all of us? That's dead wrong. >:(
anyhow that's a nice little rant thanks for posting.  : ok:

Does it imply that Axl spends his time reading all the douche baggy bitchs and moans about shows? :nervous:

@ downzy56, mind you, not everyone at shows is as lucky as you are.

Thanks uncle Axl...

You just made my day...  :hihi:

Anyone who has been to one of the concerts knows why the setlist is the way it is.? It appeals to the majority of the crowd.? We die hards are a very small minority of who attends these events.? I agree that he will add 1 or 2 more songs after CD is released, but they will also play the classics heavily as well.? ?It's not like they have a huge catalog to pull from right now.

Who cares about the damn setlist.... its perfectly fine.

I just want the album!!!!

and some damn midwest dates!!!!!

bit harsh so it was. I'm from irealand and i didnt moan about the setlist. I'm just glad to see the band back so why would i complain.

Sorry but, how Axl know what people want to hear ?
A lot of people have said would want to hear more UYI songs, I think is most what he want to play.
Not bashing, just the truth. And I care because I hope to see them soon and I would like to hear a little different setlist, I miss some UYI songs and all the recent bootlegs we got are the same, it's just boring.

 :peace: Just my oppinion.

i agree with you 100%, but I think a lot of the whiners are people who saw the show one night in their city and then read about the set list for the next 4 shows and saw it was the same and started crying about it.  Thats just beyond retarded to me.  I agree though, if its the same setlist i hear at MSG then I saw only 6-7 months ago at Hammerstein it will be disappointing, but I'll still have fun. 

I can c why he picked on Irealand!!

 ;)

I don't see no mention of HTGTH or the other board you're naming in Axl's rant ???

Why is it directed to those two boards and not others ? I bet there's whinners everywhere and not only here or at mygnr.

Anyway, it's cool the see that Axl keep up with what's going on on the web :yes: (Remember the Trunk interview, he said he had to keep up with all the shit out there and sometimes shoot some things down).

cuz most (but not all) people love AFD the most so thats what they play ::)

Take it easy you Irish drunks...  ;D

He probably wanted to point out the fact that people from the other side of the world are whinning about the setlists being the same, when all they can do is sit behind their computer screens and not even listen to the damn show.

He just picked out Ireland as an example. He could have picked out Greece...

So chill out and drink lots of beers for all of us...
A lot of people? On the message boards?

The band is playing the biggest hits every night, that is until they'll release the new record.

They can't play all of the songs, it will take them more than 4 hours to please everyone...

 i think part of the point axl made is folks who have yet to see this band live are judging the shows as 'boring' off boots...see this band live, see the energy they have, and i think you will not give a shit about the 'repetitive' setlist.

bootlegs are great--but they dont compare with the acutal experience of being there.

im from ireland too and have never critized the show! dublin was un real this year and ive seen them too at slane and leeds!

just to have guns back is a big bonus this year. i have dropped off this board over the past few months, because there's too much complaingin and shit going on. some people are never happy!

If you know that the setlist is going to be the same and your not happy with it then don't go! Axl does what Axl wants. Whats there to complain over? At least he's still performing and at least he's playing a few new songs. The album is coming, take a seat like the rest of us and wait for it. Yeah it's been a hell of a long time but that's what sets Guns N' Roses fans apart from the rest.

Well this is called the CD tour and not the AFD tour. Maybe IF they would RELEASE an ALBUM for the CHINESE DEMOCRACY TOUR and play some more songs for CHINESE DEMOCRACY then people would not be bitching about it. Most people on the boards that are bitching have seen this band 4 or 5 times live since 2000 and have seen pretty much the same set list. I dont think anyone would care if they played the same set list of half the set was CD songs

dave.... I never thought I'd see the day when I agree with you.  However the day has come.  I have looked out the window and I see no pigs flying and I am quite certain that hell has not reached below 32 degrees Fahrenheit.  I don't know what is going on. 

Thank god he put an end to this crap, I think he spoke for about 90% of us on this board. Those who complain or more accurately bitch about the setlist have now heard it straight from the horses mouth so to speak. Axl and most of us don't give a flying shit if you think the setlist sucks, start your own band and play what you want to hear.

I do understand some of us have requests and that is totally cool but don't rail on the band consistantly because you didn't get what you wanted, that's lame.

Now let's enjoy this tour and the music we get to hear, this is what it's all about.

well they are playing Chinese Democracy everynight since the tour start so I can see why it is called the way it is called... ?:hihi:

and all that were at actual shows know the energy when Jungle starts, or Finck starts SCOM and so on... it is just amazing.

 :hihi:

if he had accused/singled out greece and the greeks you'd be whistling a different tune!
you'd be riddled with the paranoia that he and gnr are never going to grace your country again!

oh noes!
someone call pat kenny!

There are some people here that have seen the band in North America and would much rather see a different concert than the one from 4 years ago, it's not just "people on the other side of the world behind a computer".

If GN'R was playing a varied setlist every night with more UYI songs, different covers, different openers and/or closers and people that weren't going to the shows were complimenting the band for mixing things up on the tour, they wouldn't get assaulted with "STFU, how can you say you like the band's setlist? ?You aren't even going to the shows." ?It's just something to have an opinion about and this is a message board. ?I have the same opinion about Oasis playing the same setlist every night whether or not I am going to the shows. ?I also have an opinion about the Dave Matthews Band playing a completely different show every night, even when I'm not going to the shows.

I agree.  Sorry, but only the diehards like us are going to keep supporting this without any new material.  I already have friends who saw them in May in NYC (who are just casual fans), and they're not going back this time around because they think it's going to be the same show.

Axl's rant pretty much proves them right.

The set list is fine.  For most people they are seeing the show for the first time.  If you've seen the band 4 or 5 times in a year and are bored with the show, maybe it's becuz you've seen the band 4 or 5 times.  and you are in the minority.

I'd like to see a vastly changing setlist too, but that is an unrealistic hope.

They did add better, used to love her, and IRS to the 2006 tour apposed to the 2002 tour to be some what fair. Also Think About You and Madagascar are usually missing.

I'm not touching this topic with a ten foot pool, everybody has their own points.

 :beer: to Axl. ?Keep up the good work. ?The band rocks. ?:peace:

Granted, the bitching can get a little out of hand here at times. But I must admit, so does the holier than thou praising. This is a messageboard, and I for one come here to read peoples views on the band etc, be it positive or negative. As long as an opinion is constructive and well thought out, one should be able to express it without being flamed to the extreme.

Axl is on tour, one that has gone surprisingly smooth. He sounds better than many can remember, the band is tighter and do by all means the old band justice. That's all good, few are claiming otherwise. I got to see them myself this summer and can without a doubt say it was one of the best experiences of my life. That aside, I still can't help feeling a little disappointed in the current setlist. This is what, the fourth tour, leg or whatever since the comeback in '01. I guess I just miss the unpredictable Axl from the past.

This is not bitching or whining as some will have it. It's simply my opinion as a diehard fan. You don't like it? Scroll past this post or give me a constructive counterargument. But don't waive the o' so old He has to play the old material for the casual fans, they don't wanna hear a bunch of songs they don't know. Stop complaining you stupid cockdickfucker!!! Please, don't insult my intelligence. All that's pretty much given, and I doubt there are many of us who expects the man to do that. Rather I hope for a little flexibillity. Sure, they play some of the leaks, and that's great, but that gets old too if it's the same new songs every time. Last night they played Rocket Queen and Used To Love Her. Great, that's the kind of stuff I'm hoping for, but does it have to be so rarely? There are alot of great songs to pick from, why not just throw in one or two on regular basis?

And I don't think the growing dissent in GN'R fanland is solely because we crave new songs on the setlist. I'm sure alot of these feelings stem from the neverending Chinese Democracy frustrations. We have an album that's supposedly slated for release this year. As we speak there are 61 days left in the year. The record is believed to be out in 40 or so of those days. I know some like to believe that this 15 years in the making, 13 million dollar masterpiece is just going to drop out of the sky and magically appear in stores by next week. Cool down, the record will be out soon and we will start to hear more new songs after that. Just have patience, enjoy what you have Well, I for one dare to claim that it's not that simple. Wheels need to be set in motion on this release, on every release. We should be hearing ramblings all over the place by now. But we don't. All we got is random, unsubstanstiated hearsay and the continuing promises of Axl and Merck that it will happen. That's pretty much it. Think about that for a minute and tell me how that comforts you. Cause I don't. I've been here too long.

I just don't hope this gets deleted, cause I would sure like to hear some input from the rest of you.

I agree. Once the new album is out they will play more new songs.  I'm sure even AXL is bored with playing Appetite every night. 

If the crowd doesn't know the new material, the reaction won't necessarily be that good.  For example, once the 10,000 people in attendance all know and love Better, that song will electrify the arena.

lol, axl rants arnt the same, its weird, 21st century rant thats what it is, about the internet n stuff i miss the days of "mick wall a kerrang, suck my fucking dick" and *dives into crowd* *kicks mans ass*.

I kind of agree with him, but im sure it would be nice to hear some more illusions material, dont get me wrong appetite is my favourite but i love alot of illusions....also when axl says "we" i think he means "I" as im sure he dictates what is played as he owns the name and decides who is in and who is out.

Yeah, but does he give a shit about "some guy in New York" who he has already played in front of five times this year as of next friday? Does that guy want to hear the same set?

I knew it all along. The non-changing set has everything to do with bootleggers.

One of the best posts ever?

Cool down, the record will be out soon and we will start to hear more new songs after that. Just have patience, enjoy what you have  :hihi:

only joking
that was a great post

Great post, pretty much says how I feel.

I understand most of you get tired of the same people bitching in every thread about the setlist, but just because some of us would like to hear more UYI songs or want Axl to change up the setlist some DOES NOT make us "whiners".

I havent seen the band since 1992, so even though I would like more UYI songs I would still love to see them even with this current setlist if I could, and I would enjoy the hell out of it, but that doesnt change the fact that the setlist doesnt please everyone.

Nobody is saying it should go through a drastic change, but whats the harm in adding a different song each night?? To make the show feel more "special" to the people in attendance, you know, the diehards who have supported Axl all these years?? One night play Yesterdays, the next night play Dont Cry, the next night play Anything Goes...you know, that would be enough. Seems it would be fun for the band as well.

Either way im just happy to have GNR back, but I dont see the problem in wanting a little variety at the show. The same setlist since 2001?? It does get old whether you want to admit it or not.

This is what I don't understand, I would think the band of all people would want to get creative with the setlist. ?They have 3 albums worth of songs to pull-from and they can do covers or let Tommy play a solo song or mix up the order... I think they should take advantage of that.

Good post polluxlm, there really isn't a lot of time left in the year.

well said! I'm very happy the band is out there playing and doing gigs tho! I'm very happy that I have seen Guns N' Roses play at the Nijmegen 2006 gig. The new band is awesome! Part of the reason why I would like the new bandmembers to get the chance to shine. I love Robin Finck, I'm dying to hear him riffing on all those new songs from the Chinese Democracy album. But the question is when? This year? I sure as hell hope so, but um....isn't the year almost over?  :'( Or do we have a 13th month?

axl, you took the words right out of my mouth

Axl is touring on the strength of the leaks and AFD. This is hardly what I would call a Chinese Democracy tour. With time running out, there is definately a 'been there, done that' feeling with this latest tour.

I think alot of people are afraid the tour will end like it did in 2002; remember 4 years ago, we had a couple of new songs too and a lack of a release date, single, .....point.

Nostalgia tour rolls on, Im afraid. Until Uncle Axl wants to let everyone in on the trick and reveal his plans for the rest of the year.

I now fear a repeat of the Hammer setlist for NYC.

another thing is people attending like 10 shows...of course it'll get boring after a while but really how many people do that? i'm gonna see one show this tour...and if they come back this area again I'll think about it but i'm not gonna hold my breath to say yeah i'll see them a second time...i mean there are a few people who see multiple shows and have fun but if you plan on seeing them like 5 times just be ready to see the same set...if you don't wanna see the same set then don't fucking go...it's really that simple...as to the people collecting bootlegs...well comeon how many people are gonna listen to like 50 different concerts? pick the best versions of each tune and be happy they are even playing live at all :peace:

@ killing vector...a new buzz has to be genreated somewhere...people need to know that Axl is back so there are fans ready to buy an album...might as well play familiar tracks to generate interest to the average joe (or jane :peace: )

This cracks me up.

Thanks Axl!

 :hihi:

I have seen the same set list almost every single time now, and I'm sure tomorrow night will be the same too. But I love Guns n Roses, and love a great live performance. It never even crossed my mind to be upset about it. Why should I? I get to see my favorite band of all time, play a kick ass two hour set and have a blast. It's been about four years since I last saw them live, so I'm going to appreciate every minute of it. Why in the hell would I complain about that?

How many times have you watched one of your favorite movies? How many times have you eaten your favorite meal? How many times have you taken a scenic route that you just happen to love? How many times have you hiked the same trail? Or went skiing down that same slope? How many times have you listened to AFD for that matter?

See you front row tomorrow night!

I'm a HUGE diehard and I'm in the same boat as your friends. ?I saw them in NYC and it was incredible. ?I don't really see the point in going to Baltimore for the same show again a few months later. ?But maybe I'm just older and lamer. ?:) ?(3 kids will do that to you)

But that doesn't mean that the tour isn't great.....it'll just be a chance for more people to see them. ?I just think that the stamina and patience for the diehards is running out a bit.

Didn't he say "I don't want to live in the shadow of Appetite all my life" while making Illusions. 

It's really true though - this is essentially the same tour as the NYC shows - so we shouldn't really be that surprised that the set is the same.  Not really "bitching" just logic.

I do hope they let this thread live on though - I enjoy the "debate" that is currently out there about GNR.  Seems like anytime anyone says ANYTHING negative, the thread gets killed.  I posted a long "take" on this a few days ago (it took like 20 minutes to construct :)) and it was deleted in 10 minutes.

I echo pollux's sentiment.

LOL @ polluxlm's word.... cockdickfucker

yeah, something like that.

he doesn't want to be a nostalgia act.  I'm almost certain of that.  But until CD is released, this is what we're gonna get. 

I guess he deems it a necessary evil.  Therefore I'm not going to bust his balls when he believes that he's doing what he needs to do.

I dunno why people says "I've seen the band on this tour like 100000 times and I can complain". No, you don't. The shows are not made for you and the small part of the crowd who were at another gig, but the majority who never saw the new band or the GN'R at all. Better not be so selfish about it...

About the setlist...... all the whining and complaining is really unjustified when you think about it. ?Coldplay toured for 2 years - coming to the same cities 2 and 3 times - on the X&Y album and never changed a single thing. ?They even included an "impromptu" acoustic portion that was the same every night - and Chris Martin "spontaneously" ran out into the crowd during In My Place every night.

It's just that we expect more from GNR. ?U2 changes their set list every night... ?which is what adds to them being such an incredible live band. ?If you want anybody (other than kids with lots of free time) to go to more than one show on a tour, you've gotta mix it up a little. ?GNR for YEARS was one of the best live bands out there because of the unpredictability. ?That's where the "most dangerous band" crap came from. ?You can hardly say this now. ?Now they're more like Kiss, touring playing classics to their old fan base. ? Say what you want - but until CD comes out - this is a nostalgia act. ?

But Don't get me wrong - I enjoyed the HELL out of the NYC concert - probably one of the best I've ever been to. ?But without a changing setlist, it's hard to get people to go see you multiple times on the same tour, that's all.

good...its nice to see that Axl said that...I have been saying that for weeks now, i cant stand people who bitch about the setlist....every gnr song is great.... especially people who bitch and dont even go to the shows, they have no right to an opinion at all...ill be at 2 shows next week....and im not complaining about the setlist.....

Yeah this is true.  I'm seeing them on consecutive nights in December and I'd be happy with the same setlist but he did say that once the album comes out they're gonna start adding new songs.  So he's hoping.

Oh yeah and about Axl saying who cares about some dude in Ireland sitting behind his computer knocking the setlist - he obviously cares otherwise he wouldn't start a rant about it!

Ok, I'm going to a show on this tour and I'm sure I will enjoy it... but the difference between those things you listed is that this is a live performance by a rock band.  This doesn't need to be "Joseph and the Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat" on tour where everyone follows a script.  It's a shame that such a talented band is not motivated to bring some variety to their live show.

Coldplay may have played the same concert for the entire X&Y tour, but they didn't play the same set from the Rush Of Blood To The Head tour... or the Parachutes tour.... Axl has been playing the same setlist since Coldplay's career started and you'll have to forgive some of us for hoping that we might get something different on his second run through North America.   :-\

Where the hell do you get your information from?

They have certain songs they add to their set depending on what they feel like. That's a fact.

Check a scan of an actual setlist for proof.


They also switch around the order of the songs in the set so it's not like it's all the same songs in the same order the whole tour.

 ::)


/jarmo

to the poster before jarmo--do you understand how much work goes into putting together a solid setlist. ?to just pull a song out of their collective asses would probably come out sounding terrible. ?many gnr songs are quite complex in terms of changes, solos, length, etc. and to rehearse and have at the ready 40+ different songs all played perfectly the way axl demands just isn't feasible, i guess.

I've flown to Vegas, driven to Boston, and flown across the Atlantic for GNR. Are my credentials strong enough to "complain"?

What is wrong with wanting GNR to throw in Civil War or Estranged? I think it is ridiculous for fans to chastized by others on this board for simply wanting their favorite group to play more and different songs. A simple suggestion is not "complaining".

It's facism on these boards. If people disagree with what you say, you are labeled "negative".

LOL - good point.

It does take a great deal of rehearsal to prepare 40+ songs for a setlist.  But somehow back when GNR was full of junkies and drunks they managed OK.  :)

Are you being serious, jarmo?

The variation in the setlist has been very small and predictable since the Hammer shows. Considering the number of songs not being played, the choice to do this seems strange.

@Neemo, 2002 was meant to generate interest. Again, where is the difference between 2002 and 2006? Axl needs to show us.

No release date, no single, no album....damn skippy I will bitch about the same setlist.

This shouldnt be 2002 but it feels like it.

Well, right, my first Gunners gig was on this tour, so I have absolutely NO complaints about the set-list (although my bro was slightly disappointed there was no Rocket Queen)

There a show on the UYI tour where Axl mimics a nerdy voice saying 'Hey, I saw that show in Toledo', and he doesnt want that to happen, so they're gonna mix up the setlist. It was funny,aahhh, I cant remember which show it was.

axl said that right before the illusion records were out. bascially what he ment was he was tired of just playing appetite live at shows and they were only known for that record. he wanted to get another record out so that the band wasnt only known for appetite. people take that quote out of context. he said it at a time when that was GNR's only major record out. ?now, its 15 years later and he hasnt played those songs in a while. he is just having fun with songs that he hasnt played to most cities in a long time. the casual GNR fan goes to these shows and has a blast. they get to hear 95% of the songs that they want to hear when they buy a ticket to GNR. I say enjoy this setlist while it lasts because after CD hits we won't have as many old songs.

Comparing GN'R shows to some kind of musical is ridiculous.

They could play a two hour show with only new material and some of you would post "It was weird since nobody knew the songs and the place was dead. I wish they had added some familiar songs to the set".

They're playing the biggest hits and it makes sense to many people.

I love Coma and Estranged, but they were never hits. So it makes sense to play songs from one of the biggest selling albums of the 1980s instead.




/jarmo

I'm sure he wants to bury it wish CD just like he wanted to bury it with Illusions. 

If he was gonna pick a country then he should have picked France as thats where a lot of complaining seems to come from.

Probably 95% of the audience are seeing the band for the first time and have no problem with the set-list because it is songs they know and love. The other 5% fan boy types that aren't happy with it will buy tickets no matter what because of their love of the band, so if I was Axl I really wouldn't bother taking the time to have the band learn and rehearse new songs either. They have about 20 some odd songs down pat right now, and that is all they need to keep the show going.

There is no point in doing all that extra work to please 5% of an audience that is going to give you their money no matter what you play. The key is to impress the other 95% who need to be sold on the new line-up.

I've seen the setlists where they have 2 or 3 "options", but the changing order of the setlist is always between one or two songs at the same part of the show. ?Look at the reaction everyone gave to the variety of that last show of the European tour... it was a hit. ?So why not mix it up like that nightly? ?You can't honestly tell me you wouldn't like to see that? ?For someone who is traveling to see more than one show on the tour, you're telling me you wouldn't eat it up if they played different shows in each city?

I think the main thing people are disappointed about is the fact that this is the 4-5th leg they've toured with this setlist... there were far less comments about it in 2002.

Who compared it to a musical? Wasn't me.  My point is that the AFD heavy setlist has been in heavy rotation since 2002.  Toss in a Salad amid the twenty five peanut butter cups. Wouldn't hurt.

Someone snagged a setlist from a Vegas show and Rhiad was listed as a miscellaneous song. Why not play that? It would definately get people excited again, plus we haven't heard it in a long time. Why not pull out a Civil War, Yesterdays, or Garden?

Even a single change would go a long way to entertaining everyone.

I say it again, most of us agree with your sentiments. Play the big hits, please the casual fans, gain interest. But what's wrong with wanting a few gems here and there? Especially when this is a band that once saw it as their duty to not be predictable. The band that made us love them so much that we actually sit on this messageboard 15 years later, night after night, just to talk about their music and history.

Sorry, not to pile on here, but they AREN'T playing "the hits." ?When people say "Oh, he has to appease the audience by playing KOHD and LALD," then I shouldn't be criticized for wanting to hear Don't Cry or Civil War at some shows. ?Those weren't hits? ?Playing Don't Cry as a solo isn't the same as singing the actual song.

Look, I'm on the fence about this. ?People who want them to play songs like Don't Damn Me, or Bad Obsession, or Pretty Tied Up probably won't get their wish. ?When bands have new songs, they're going to fit those in, to replace songs they've done in the past. ?That's simple. ?

But don't force feed me into believing that they're playing their hits when most people (die-hards and non-die hards) LOVED Civil War and Don't Cry, but they play Think About You and/or Outta Get Me instead. ?

You can't have it both ways. ?If this is "playing the hits," then truly play the hits, sprinkled with some new stuff from CD.

I dont think they should change the setlist THAT much, and I dont believe anyone is saying not to play the hits. What would be nice is to see them add one "rare" song every once in awile.

Im going to make a Metallica comparison so dont anyone think im trying to compare the two bands, im just saying what they did that I thought was cool.

Every show on their last tour they would play a "rare" song, what they would call a "gem". Sometimes, they would even take a request from a fan in the meet and greet before the show, which I thought was awesome. So each night fans got to go home feeling good because they heard a song that was either not played on the tour, or was only played like once or twice before.

Think about it, what if you went to the show and they played Breakdown, or Dead Horse, or Back Off Bitch?? Just played ONE random song, would that not make you just feel great?? The reviews would comeback and everyone "the diehards" would be excited, and it would just be really cool to know that you were at a show where they played said song and was the only one to see them play it on this whole tour. I dont think anyone wants the whole setlist to be altered, just throw in a rare song once in awile to make your loyal supporters happy, and would also give the band a nice little challenge. And dont give me this crap about them not knowing the songs, they are professional musicians, it wouldnt be hard to learn one song every other night, well it shouldnt be anyway.

I have a feeling that this tour is more so to get GNR's name out there again and to get people interested in them since it's been awhile since they've really done anything.  A lot of people nowadays don't really know about GNR or have vague misconceptions so they're playing what made them famous.  This will help build up a newer, younger fanbase while solidifying the original one.  Once that happens, they'll drop CD to a population that is comfortable and interested in GNR, making them more willing to buy the CD.

You need to realize that the North American tour just fucking started.

Over here in Europe the tour started at the end of May and when they hit the July dates they added songs to set.

I guess you just want every surprise at the first show so you can then complain about the setlist being the same the whole tour. ?:rofl:



I guess I'm not as selfish as you.


I don't demand the band to play songs for me when there are 15000 others in the arena who are happy to hear the songs the band are playing.




/jarmo

that's what I think too.  :) I'm still expecting cd tho before the end of the year, at least, I really hope so. I now think november is allmost out of the question. Unless they would announce it like tomorrow?  ;D Otherwise december.  :D

(here's to hoping once again!)  :beer:


 :drool:

fuck yes, hope thers some audio or vid of this somewhere!

top lad axl, good stuff, the set is awesome. it will have some changes wen the albums out im sure!

how come Axl only ranted at San Juan :P
I wanted to hear a rant as well.
this sucks!!! :hihi:

and when am I gonna get to see a riot :peace:

Ireland - fuck, I hope he is not talking about me :hihi: And actually I did go to one of you shows :rant: But seriously, I never really complained about the setlist. Of course I'd like to hear more UYI songs, but it's not a complaint.

The main point that everybody ignores is that the majority of people attending these shows are not following them like we do. Nobody here really takes that into consideration. Those things I listed are not scripted either. They are all in control of the user (you and I) yet we repeat them again and again. We repeat them because we like the feeling, taste, sensation, view etc that it provides us. We may know every line to Caddyshack, but we'll watch it again on a rainy day and laugh our ass off.

It is a rock band you are right. But like most bands they have a formula every night, which people are also forgetting. They say "see you next time." or "thanks" or "you guys are great" or whatever. They have the same solos, drum solos, jokes, opening words etc.They also play a few new songs and then the most popular ones. It is what the fans expect to hear. Def Leppard pretty much does the same thing. The last few shows they always played the same encore, always opened with the same song, always said the same things, always done the same moves. Still a great show though.

Again, so what if it is scripted? It is a formula that is getting them good reviews so far, with exception of the few nerds who get worked up over this.

Axl is delivering the goods and that is just fine with me. I don't give a shit how he packages it, just as long as I get to see it.

There are more whiners here than the whiners who whine about the setlist :hihi:

To me it wouldn't make much sense to play new songs from CD, seeing that we would have pretty much have heard most of the album before we get it. The live shows are much better than 2002, but still, it would have been nice for a change up for the GNR fans who love music from the other albums too, not just AFD. Its a shame Axl doesn't understand that. But its his shows. The band sounds great. People are loving the the performances. So there you go.

Exactly.

guessing this means that someone has been summarising what we all say to axl then?

Some of you also need to remember that outside of Axl (and maybe Dizzy for some songs) no one in the band was involved in any of the recording of the entire back catalog. For them to play any new song requires alot of time and effort to learn it to a point it can be played live the way it is supposed to be. It is not the way it used to be where they could just go "hey, lets play so and so tonight". That is probably why they got really proficient with a core of 20-25 songs and don't deviate from it.

I suspect once CD is released it will be a little easier for them to just "play" different songs every night, as there is not the cumbersome process of having to learn how to play the songs in their entirity, as they will have actually been responsible for writing them. It makes a big difference.

Yes, and surprisingly we've heard this same response before, just not from Axl.

Selfish? How is sharing your thoughts with fellow fans selfish? I'm not demanding anything from the man. Firstly because it's not my right to do so, secondly because I know he probably wouldn't give a shit what some Viking from across the planet thinks of him and his actions. But we now know he reads this stuff sometimes and just a little part of me hopes he reads some of this and can understand some of our views. Besides, it's fun to come here and talk, bitch, laugh whatever. We certainly haven't been coming here all these past years because there was something important happening.

Also, the 15.000 fans will be just as happy if OTGM or Michelle was switched with something else every so often. It's just not a valid argument.

we're still debating this?!

havent you people expressed your opinions on this matter enough over the course of the last 6 months?
will there still be shit being flung over brain/frank in 6 months time?!

by this stage, particularly now the matter has been addressed by head honcho, we should have accepted the setlist.
please... this debate is even more tired than the setlist for fucks sake.

Guns N Roses made their name by being "unpredictable". Axl says whats on his mind, they play whatever song feels right to them at the time. A Guns N Roses show used to be anything BUT a scripted show. You never knew wtf you were getting when you went ot see them, now you say it is ok if they play their shows "scripted"??

You can feel however you want but old school fans such as myself really miss the unpredictabilty of a Guns N Roses show. And we arent "nerds" for feeling this way.

Everyone of you people saying we are being stupid and that we are "whining" would absolutely shit your fucking pants if you went to see a GNR show and they play a setlist that included Breakdown, Locamotive, Pretty Tied Up, One In A Million, Coma and a new unheard song....This msg board would be blowing the fuck up with positive reviews, people flipping out all over themselves with joy.

You can like the setlist now for what it is (Im not saying I hate it, just wish they would change it up a little) but you people would seriously LOVE if they played a setlist like I mentioned before.

just to be the devils advocate...
they did have 6 years to learn the catalog, and they are professionals.
except for 2 riots, all the canceled shows(and tours), being late all the time, they've threated their fans with respect :hihi: (sarcasm)

but the bottom line is, that everybody who goes to the show will enjoy it, even if they play christina aguilera whole night.
only things that could ruin the experience is bad security, bad opening acts, and band being late.

as for us internet geeks, who gives a fuck. We're a sorry bunch of masochists, and experience has taught us, that the band can do, and will do what ever they want with us, since after all, most of us, will be here no matter what.

For (not intended)better(not intended) or for worse...

Quote from: polluxlm on Today at 12:14:17 PM
Granted, the bitching can get a little out of hand here at times. But I must admit, so does the holier than thou praising. This is a messageboard, and I for one come here to read peoples views on the band etc, be it positive or negative. As long as an opinion is constructive and well thought out, one should be able to express it without being flamed to the extreme.

Axl is on tour, one that has gone surprisingly smooth. He sounds better than many can remember, the band is tighter and do by all means the old band justice. That's all good, few are claiming otherwise. I got to see them myself this summer and can without a doubt say it was one of the best experiences of my life. That aside, I still can't help feeling a little disappointed in the current setlist. This is what, the fourth tour, leg or whatever since the comeback in '01. I guess I just miss the unpredictable Axl from the past.

This is not bitching or whining as some will have it. It's simply my opinion as a diehard fan. You don't like it? Scroll past this post or give me a constructive counterargument. But don't waive the o' so old He has to play the old material for the casual fans, they don't wanna hear a bunch of songs they don't know. Stop complaining you stupid cockdickfucker!!! Please, don't insult my intelligence. All that's pretty much given, and I doubt there are many of us who expects the man to do that. Rather I hope for a little flexibillity. Sure, they play some of the leaks, and that's great, but that gets old too if it's the same new songs every time. Last night they played Rocket Queen and Used To Love Her. Great, that's the kind of stuff I'm hoping for, but does it have to be so rarely? There are alot of great songs to pick from, why not just throw in one or two on regular basis?

And I don't think the growing dissent in GN'R fanland is solely because we crave new songs on the setlist. I'm sure alot of these feelings stem from the neverending Chinese Democracy frustrations. We have an album that's supposedly slated for release this year. As we speak there are 61 days left in the year. The record is believed to be out in 40 or so of those days. I know some like to believe that this 15 years in the making, 13 million dollar masterpiece is just going to drop out of the sky and magically appear in stores by next week. Cool down, the record will be out soon and we will start to hear more new songs after that. Just have patience, enjoy what you have Well, I for one dare to claim that it's not that simple. Wheels need to be set in motion on this release, on every release. We should be hearing ramblings all over the place by now. But we don't. All we got is random, unsubstanstiated hearsay and the continuing promises of Axl and Merck that it will happen. That's pretty much it. Think about that for a minute and tell me how that comforts you. Cause I don't. I've been here too long.

I just don't hope this gets deleted, cause I would sure like to hear some input from the rest of you.


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What an excellent , well thought out post. When someone says this, it makes it hard for people to comeback at you with "LOLZ!AXL POWND YOU!!!!" No matter what the band played, we will probably never all agree unless they came out, played 4.5 hours and took requests for obscure songs on top of that as well. Some people are so into blindly following Axl, that he could? tell you to take a shit with your pants on and you would say, where and when! I have stopped complaining about the set in show review threads (as per a request from Jarmo) but questioning it, especially in a market like NYC that will have seen the same show about 6 times now in the last few years does not make one less of a fan.

This is their job, I think in the last few years these players could have learned Dead Horse, Or Breakdown. Also, most casual fans don't plunk down 100 dollars to see a band that they are only slightly familiar with. It isn't like the majority of people at the shows do not own the Illusion records.

Who says they won't be just as happy if the band played different songs? ?Or happier?

I'm not asking that the band play the setlist that I hand them, ?I'm asking for variety. ?I'm saying don't play the setlist that ANYONE demands, be unique... take risks... use the setlist as another way to express yourself.

Nice reply though, everyone here is voicing their opinions and you're responding by calling me selfish? ?I'm stating how I feel as a music fan, and it doesn't change for bands other than GN'R. ?The only reason it is relevant here is that I saw this band 4 years ago and right now it's shaping up for me to see the same show in another couple of weeks. ?I am still excited and I'm sure I will have a good time, but I'm not going to lie that I will be disappointed with such a similar concert (especially after forking over 80 bones to see it).

** - I see polluxm has already covered the selfish thing.  SLC, I understand Axl is "delivering the goods", but the variety would just make it that much better... you know, like turning the amps up to 11?  10 is all well and good, but there's no need to hold back.

Sure glad Axl has time to monitor the boards and whatnot. Isn't he preparing to release a CD? Shouldn't he have more pressing things to worry about?

Boy, he sure knows how to treat his hardcore fans, doesn't he? Call em out at a show. Please. Complaining or not, we are the fans that have been here for the long haul. We've stuck it out, and he's gonna call us out.

By the way, Axl, since you might be reading this. It's not the setlist that's bugging me. It's the fact that many of the songs in the setlist are on some imaginary CD. The casual fans who haven't downloaded the leaks don't know what the fuck you're playing sometimes.

Oh, and if you're so cool about the bootleggers, why don't you have a policy ALLOWING recording equipment. Lots of bands do.

There's my rant. If Axl can do it, so can I.

You just described in perfect detail why there is no incentive for them to change the set-list. You said you will be disappointed, but still give them your money anyway. The 5% fanboy base may all agree with you, but are still going to keep shelling out 80 bucks everytime he is nearby. The other 95% of the audience is perfectly happy with the set, and Axl cuts down his work load by being able to do the same stuff every night.

well,we want new songs,but people on apetite and illusions stuff you could see real emotions

He should've called those people a bunch of Double Talking Jive Motherfuckers then played that song. The don't play DTJ, but they should.? :hihi:

Who are you? Machiavelli? I'm going to a rock n' roll show, not a business strategy presentation by General Motors.

I think the band itself would enjoy more variety instead of reliving the same show every night. In the greatest hyperbole, its the musical equivalent of Groundhog Day.

As I said, we aren't asking for a revamp, just one refreshing salad amid a sea of sweet peanut butter cups.

You asked me what I'd like to see and I told you I don't put myself first.

I don't complain about something because it wasn't exactly the way I wanted it, when there's an arena full of people having a great time.



You demand variety, but did you ever think that maybe the band is playing what they want to play? Why does it have to be about what you want instead of being about what the band wants? Or what they think the majority of concert goers want?



/jarmo

My best guess but I think the band would love to mix it up.

Average concert goers will enjoy themselves as long as the hits are there.

If anyone is asking for a revamp of the sellist then they are being unfair. I think the majority of us just want an odd Rhiad, Civil War, TWAT, Garden, or Yesterdays thrown in every few shows. Even One in a Million would sound great.

To compare what GNR does to Metallica or U2 is crazy really. ?Both of those bands have historically bent over backwards to satisfy their fans..... mixing set lists is an example of this. ?(Throw Pearl Jam in there as well)

Guns N Roses (or really, Axl Rose) has never been particularly concerned with satisfying fans. ?This is why for years Axl has come on late, cut shows short, not shown up, or whatever. ?If they ever played a mixed set list it was because THEY wanted to - not because he thought we would like it. ?I love Axl as much as anyone on here - but we're asking him to give a sh*t about us - which he clearly doesn't. ?This is why we can just sit tight and wait for 15 years for a new album until HE is ready.

It's kind of unusual for a star as big as Axl to be this way - but it's the way it is. ?VERY different from Metallica, U2 and Pearl Jam.

The thing is - he's such an enigmatic star - that we'll all put up with it and keep right on waiting. ?And I'll be right there with ya......

In all honesty, I doubt the new members would want to play someone else's material.

You are missing the point. The set list save TWO or THREE songs is the same it has been since 2000. So if you went to HOB, RIR, a show in 2002, and a show in 2006 that is four shows and you are getting pretty much the same set list. That is dumb. Its not like someone is saying they went to 5 or 6 shows in 2006 its been 5 or 6 over the past 6 years and teh set list is pretty much unchanged

For the kind of money they are probably making there are very few on this board who wouldn't jump at the chance to throw their artistic integrity out the window.

I don't think I've heard people demanding (not that I've read anyway) a setlist change, more like they wish it would include songs like civil war and the likesometimes. But you're right. Its his show he'll do what he wants. But this stuff of people not being at the shows but still dare to complain, or wished for a few suprises, that their opinion somehow doesn't matter, I really don't understand.

As for Axl telling us whiners to kiss his ass.... I'm sorry, I don't belong to that club. :hihi:

If it wasn't for "someone elses material" this band would not be playing full arenas. Coming in they knew they had the gigantic task of filling the shoes of Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven and I highly doubt they thought they could discount that material.

I smell an insult towards the new members.....They are not making THAT much money off of those shows. But they still have faith and hope because most of them invested years of their lives and creativity into this NEW GN'R and new music.
That is why I said elsewhere, if once the album drops, there is no significant change in the set lsit, you may see frustrated members start quitting. It will be super disrespectful toward them if even after the album is out the shows still have 10 AFD songs in them and only 4-6 new songs.

Sorry jarmo I had to fix up that sentence for you. ?

Think back to the North American 2002 tour. ?Which shows stick out? ?For me, its Tacoma, Auburn Hills, and MSG. ?Why? ?Tacoma was the first show of the tour, MSG was the last, and Auburn Hills was the only show that had Rhiad. ?Does anyone here disagree? ?Do you not think throwing one different song into the mix would make each show unique and memorable??

Most memorable shows from 2006? ?First night at Hammerstein, Madrid, and last night at Hammerstein... why? ?There Was a Time. ?Also, Izzy played unexpectedly and Kid Rock did Nightrain. ?I am not even a big Kid Rock fan, but I saw the only show that he has ever played onstage with Guns N Roses. ?That makes it special.

Yes, but if you read the quote, you'll realise Axl doesn't give a fuck what anyone outside the 10k-15k fans think. He doesn't give a fuck if he gets panned, and why should he?

ohhhh I dont know.... maybe because his career may very well be on the line.  But why should he care about that?

"that know how to rock harder"



Please tell me how I can "rock harder". I really want to know!  :-\

We've already heard at least 6 of the songs that will be on the album. Any more would be too many. It's perfectly obvious why he doesn't play more CD songs before it's released.

And I totally agree with Axl by not playing new songs. However, he has both Illusion and Lies album from which to draw new material. New songs like Rhiad, Silkworms, and OMG lay dormant. I would be excited just to hear OMG again...it was a cool live song.

I can see why people get tired of the same setlist over and over on the boards, checking the boards for updates and seeing;

WTTJ
Mr Brownstone
ISO
LALD etc...

time and time again gets boring it would be great to see Jungle followed by The General or other unheard song because it's varied. However these shows aren't put on to please people reading the messageboards each night they're meant to rock the fuck out of the crowd in the arena that night. And that's exactly what this band does, there won't be anybody who goes to the shows and complains about the setlist during the show because they're having too good a time.

It's not that unusual for a band to play pretty much the same setlist every night on a tour any way they might throw in a different song here or there (like GNR are doing) but overall the core of the show will be the same. We were spoiled by the UYI shows and the way they were so random and unpredictable but that's not really the norm.

This band puts on one kickass show, with no setlist comlaints from the crowd because they're busy having fun. If you don't like reading the same setlist over and over again don't read the bloody update thread, you know what you're going to see. When a new or different old song is played there'll be a seperate thread about it anyway so just wait until one of them appears, until then expect exactly what we've had all year, which I've got to say when your there is one awesome show ?:peace:

Eggffgg...what are you saying bout....irish...i'll feckin kill ya,,,aaaaaah...feck, me drunk?...sure, what are ya on about, ya feckin gobshite....eggfgfgsgf :beer:

If he played CD, the ?blues, maddy, irs, better and twat at every show, no one would be complainging, but most times you just get three of those and that is it. That is stupid. And if he doesnt want to play any more new songs since the album is not out yet then he should have released the album before he started the tour

Yep. I care about hearing the music I love, I don't care how it is packaged.


Sitting behind a computer and complaining that they play the same shit every show is a friggin' nerd. I'm an old school fan since day one, and think it is embarassing to see people make such a big deal out of all this. Either be glad he is touring and take what he is giving or not. But why bitch about it?


Again, I'd be happy no matter what he played. The board is already blowing up with positive reviews, and the media has also given pretty good reviews so far.


Hypothetical arguments don't work with me. I guess I'm just a realist like that. I am also low maintenance and enjoy great music. If it happens to be scripted, then so be it. Life is too short to bitch.

See everybody tomorrow night!

Yeah, you are right. GnR fans are definately spoiled.... ::)

i never thought i'd see this day :hihi: cheer up man, it could be like it was in 2003 or 2004 :peace: and we've been getting 4 new songs a night :P it's change "soon" .... relax guy

I understand your point. Mine is that I simply don't care. I have too many more important things in my life to worry about how Axl's set list is going to be. If I get bored with it, I won't go. Simple as that.

Again, the main point is that the majority of people going haven't seen it before. That is all that matters, not us.

You know .... the bottom line here is........

Release the freaking album and all of this is a moot point. ?That's the REAL problem behind everything going on in GNR land right now. ?With CD out in stores, nobody would be whining and bitching.

And frankly, the whining has picked up speed because we were promised "end of year" several times by Axl and Merck and anyone else connected to GNR - and here we are entering November with absolutely no signs of life from a marketing standpoint. ?And that is NOT a good sign - as someone said before - they aren't going to drop an album that cost $15 million to make into the record stores unannounced without a storm of publicity.

Look at the publicity that led Justin Timberlake's latest into stores - or the storm of publicity that is already out there for Jay-Z's new album (out around Thanksgiving). ?Instead, we have a band that is touring and nobody even knows it. ?THIS is why people are whining - because in the backs of our minds, we all know CD ain't coming out this year......... ? If it were out - nobody would care about the setlist.

I agree. In many groups where that are comprised of players from other known groups, you hear versions of their earlier work or their solo work. You think Robin wouldnt be comfortable or enjoy playing something from NiN once a night Or Richard Fortus wanting the same? I cant imagine playing Slash/Duff/Izzys stuff, night after night can be entirely satsifying. Maybe on some level- but still, it must get boring.

Who said that?

How can a fan of a band that hasn't made an album in 15 years be spoiled?

No you didn't... I asked if you would enjoy seeing variety at the concerts considering you go to numerous shows, and you replied by calling me selfish.

I'm not "demanding" they play a certain setlist. ?I'm saying that's what I prefer as a music fan and I would think any musician would enjoy it too. ?You think the majority of concert-goers would be horribly unsatisfied if the band played Yesterdays instead of Out Ta Get Me? ?or if they didn't play It's So Easy right after Jungle?

A lot of the problem stems from the fact that we've been told there is an album being released this year and the tour is called "Chinese Democracy", yet the band is playing relatively the same setlist from 2001. ?Of course, like it's been said... it is still early in the tour and my concert hasn't happened yet. ?I don't think it's right to label people as "selfish" for having preferences, though.

You said we should be happy with what we have and not complain. I disagree.

I never tought of it that way, but you make a valid point.
But they do get a chance to do that, only they dont play nin/spit songs, but their solos.
they could play a nin/spit song, if they wanted to.

Well I certainly did not say we were spoiled.

I also said "why bitch about it?" It's not going to change anything really. And it is not out of the norm for bands to do. In fact I'd say it's pretty routine.

I also stated that it was embarassing to see people make such a big deal out of it. Which I really think it is.

Most of life is NOT on our terms, this is yet another example. They are touring, which everybody wanted. They are also playing new songs, which everybody wanted, and we are closer to an album then ever, which we also all wanted. But that doesn't seem to be good enough for people. They still find something to be upset with. To me, this is a waste of time.

Life rarely is on our terms, get used to it. I am not going to spend all day long complaining about things that didn't go "my way." Simple as that.

well in ilussion tour on every show they play"
wttj,it's so easy,mr browstone,live and let die,civil war,koncok on heavens door,november rain,don't cry,you could be mine,sweet child,paradise city

i don't know what you want?
 
we are there because we love old songs,and i could go on 10 gnr shows with same set list,and i would have a excellent time

You just went ahead and answered your own question. Why bitch about someone bitching? Because it gives you something. Sitting on your computer commenting on the band with fellow fans is not being a nerd, it's being a fan. If that don't fit your view on how a fan is supposed to be, fine, just don't project it on others.

Since the word has been that *none* of those songs will be on the album... why play them live?

They added Used to Love Her from Lies and I'm pumped for that. I'm glad they put Maddy back in also. I'd love to see Rocket Queen more often also.

But they're definately moving stuff around more than in 2002, and Axl is right - it's idiots on the internet who over-analyze setlists. The only people really affected are those few who go to 2+ shows.

I'll remember the latter of your post the next time a Bush/Rumsfeld post pops up in the jungle :hihi: :peace:

Really, you don't know how close we are to an album. The last six years have made lots of devoted fans cynical, myself included. And I think everyone on this board has more important things to do, but as a fan, when you come to this site or any other you're going to express your opinion on things you find frustrating.

i also think that it's quite reasonable not to play too many songs from the "new" album. but axl should throw in more other gnr classics; i just saw an interview with axl (around 1989) where he said that he doesn't want to live with afd as the main gnr-thing all his life... furthermore he wants to move on... now axl should do what axl once said... he should have listened to himself...
on the other hand, i believe that most people at the current concerts only see one or two shows, so they don't really have to complain that pretty much the same songs are beeing played every night. :(
last point: doing some covers or illusions-stuff would indeed be better instead of the solos (although i don't want to start another discussion about the solos)

I was wondering how long before somebody brought that up.  :hihi:

You are right, I don't know. But I do feel, for the first time in years, that we are pretty damn close. I understand frustration, but I think frustration with a groups setlist is unrealistic when 95 percent of the audience has not seen them live like we have.

if iread this one more time i'm gonna :puke:

 :hihi: i think i;ve seen this comment like 20 times in the past week ::)

Well said! ?And with no freeking released date!!!!!!!!!!!! ?

Commenting is one thing. Complaining about a setlist that is targeted towards the majority of people who have not seen them live is dumb. Comlaining about it over and over is total nerdville, and is just as dumb as going to a concert and screaming "It's not the same without Slash, " when you know damn well he won't be there. Why are you there then? Why are you here then? What is the use?

It has nothing to do with "projecting" what I want on others. It is calling a spade a spade.

sorry for being redundant, didnt see it once on the board. :-X

Well said. I think the bottom line is that the current era of GNR shows just panders to the people who have never seen them before and don't care about the band as much. The hardcore fans who have supported the band for years and travelled to see lots of shows are the ones who often end up disappointed because they're left seeing essentially the same show in 2006 that they paid to see in 2001. And if Axl thinks that no one wants to hear something like Yesterdays or Estranged ever again, then he's pretty disconnected from reality.

You post the mp3? :peace:

Hey, if the band makes its way up north to the areas it has already performed to and releases an album then Florida could watch them play Kiss' Music From The Elder for all I care... I bought my ticket based on exactly that happening. ?You can't be suprised that some people aren't optimistic at this point though.... considering what we've seen in the past 5 years.

"total nerdville"... I guess you can spot your own kind....

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haha it's all good...but that interview must've been cited 3 times in this thread today alone :-\

bottom line is, like it or not, it's the setlist for now...you don;t like it then put on your cd's and you'll get all the variety you could want :hihi: and it wasn't necessarily aimed at you whiny....just saying in general i picked on your post cuz you brought up the interview again :peace:

as far as yesterdays and estranged and civil war and dont cry...maybe he's keeping those on the shelf because they are reasons why the orig band unravelled ... nobody knows anything but that these are the songs we get....love it or leave it

I person who calls Madagascar "Maddy" should not complain about anything. ?:nervous:





Hello?

I can enjoy a show even if they don't play all the songs I'd love to hear. Because I know it's a great show and I can see the rest of the people around me having a great time.

I'd rather have a great crowd than one happy "Eazy E" in the crowd. ?:P



At least now we know which ones here are the fans Axl spoke about. There's like 5-10 of you.

Maybe you should stop reading the show updates if it upsets you so much?

Maybe you all will feel more welcome at those U2 and Metallica boards? ?:P



/jarmo

And complaining about people complaining, over and over, is what? We've been doing circles for 5 pages already, but what the heck, we're all spades without lives.

First of all, the Slash comparison must be one of the most irrelevant things I've read in this thread. He's gone, nothing to do about that. Breakdown and Civil War are not gone, they're backstage just waiting for the oppurtunity to come in and perform. All it would take is snap two fingers and maybe rehearse it for a day or so.

Second is the point of this setlist pleasing as many casual fans as possible, again irrelevant. We've been over this how many times, yet no one seems to listen. There isn't one ideal setlist. This isn't mathematics. You could easily change a fourth of the set and the crowd would still go home just as happy. In reality SCOM, WTTJ, NR, KOHD, Patience and PC is all that's needed. If people get that they're happy. Don't try and make this something it ain't. There are no rocket scientists in the world of GN'R.

I would really like to continue this, and I probably will in 10 hours or so, but now sleep and work is next. Have a good night :smoking:

You know, you are absoloutely right. I wasn't thinking about the kids who just want to see the band. But I defintiely understand the fans who have been here and let down over the past six years wanting to hear an old song. I don't call that complaining, though there are people here who do tend to complain about everything.

What gets me though is that Axl insults a group of his own fans, who have supported him when everyone else was making fun of him, when there wasn't anything going on, when no information was given to them, just for wanting to see a few old songs they love. He can insult the fans from the stage, but he can't give an update on an album that he's been promoting/promising for the last six years? :-\

Looks like you're not the only message board geek who can get mentioned by Axl on stage... Not so fucking special now, are you? ? :hihi:

LMFAO!!! Who else here can say they were an Axl rant? :hihi:

And if Dave, aka-the ultimate Axl fan/supporter, wants to call Madagascar Maddy I think he should be able to without being made fun of... I mean, its not like he's calling it Mad-at-nascar or anything.

Does everything have to be a war? Suddenly we're the devil and not interested in the bands tour? Because we disagree on a subject that feels totally valid to alot of people? Lighten up man, we're still a community.

If you don't understand the comparison then you should read more slowly. You are way off mark.

The rest is a waste of my time.



He isn't insulting his fans anymore then they are insulting him IMO. "Fans" don't go to a GnR concert and scream "It's not the same without Slash!" What kind of loser does that? "Fans" don't pick apart every little thing this man does, says, farts whatever. "Fans" don't piss and moan over a setlist that was intended for the general public.

I understand your frustration, but again, life is not on our terms. For that reason I can not get frustrated over his lack of updates. I can only take things that are available to me and either choose to be positive about them, or negative. Positive is a whole lot more fun. If I didn't like something, I simply would not be interested anymore. I wouldn't stick around and complain that things were not playing out like I would like them too.

dude what do u expect? ur basicly following GNR around on tour, people like yourself who go to as many GNR shows as u make up like 1% of the fanbase of GNR probably.  for the other people the shows are not boring and the setlist should not be changed just because less than 1% of the fanbase say they should change the setlist up.

Aha, nice job Axl.  I wish I could fit that whole rant in my signature! :hihi:

Where do you think the word "fan" comes from? "FANATIC".. and they fucking pick apart and micro examine EVERYTHING about what they are fanatics about.

Well that is pretty fucking nerdy to me.

I care about music, live performances, leaks, and when the album may drop. The rest is bullshit.

for me the biggest emotions in atendance make "sweet child of mine"
i couldn't forget moment when finck started to play riff of it in budapest show

Also only i want is bigger show,but Axl is in his 44 and he still runing whole fuckin show so 2 hours shows are great

Also i can listen same songs every fuckin day,and if gnr will play in europe this summer i have to go on 2 or 3 shows

SLC - Dude, no one here has screamed at Axl that GNR isn't gnr without slash. His insult and the whole point of this discussion is his rant againt the people who only wanted to hear a few different old songs in the setlist. THAT IS NOT INSULTING AXL. And I can damn well guarantee you anyone who he was talking about would be the first to cut down some idiot who screamed "where's slash" at his show. WE ARE FANS!! And will continue to support him. But that doesn't mean we're going to sit back and kiss his ass on every issue and bow down to him. For how much I admire and respect the guy there's a lot I don't agree with and I will speak my mind.

Axl is not YODA!!! :hihi:

I guess we were a bit spoiled during the Use Your Illusion tours, where they changed the set a lot. At least compared to now. I didn't see them then, but I have a lot of bootlegs.

I just did a big spreadsheet-thing with the (known) setlists from all the Use Your Illusion shows, and here's some statistics for you. The shows were the setlist is uncertain have been disregarded:
* US/Europe leg in 1991 - 33 shows - 34 songs
* US/Japan leg 91/92 - 20 shows - 28 songs
* Europe leg 92 - 17 shows - 28 songs
* US leg 92 - 21 shows - 23 songs
* South America/Japan/Australia/New Zeeland leg 92/93 - 13 shows - 20 songs

I'm not finished with the Skin N' Bones leg and the European leg of 93, but that should give you some idea. Here are statistics from the last couple of years:
*01/02 - 26 shows - 21 songs
*European tour 06 - 34 shows - 27 songs
*US tour 06 so far - 3 shows - 18 songs

I guess when it comes to the the European tour, we can't really complain about them not changing the setlist more. We'll see about the US.

Agrre with you,but yoda is the man too

I don't care what Axl said about some stuff,only know that i like this setlist

When are people going to get it through there thick fucking skulls that the setlist is not going to change much until the new cd is out.

The man(Axl) said more songs to be added as the tour goes on. From what Merk said the touring is just getting going with more us dates in early 07 and then again in the summer. It makes buisness sense to gett he world accainted with GNR again then drop more new stuff.

At each show they are playing 4 unreleased songs of new cd. What are peopel bitching about. 90% of the people at the show hear those 4 songs for the first time.

95% of people want the hits at the shows. I think this is something they have to do. They need to play the hits and play them well for a % of older fans to come back.

I'm not saying they did. But I am putting it in line with complaining about the setlist. It is the same type of mindset. Same type of people complaining about the same shit over and over.

I didn't say it is insulting Axl. I said that Axl isn't insulting his fans anymore than his fans are insulting him.

Here is my question and then I'm done with this topic.

What part don't people understand about who is going to the concerts? Does it not make sense to you that the people that are going to see them, have not seen this set list before? What part of this is so hard to understand? That is the entire point here. It is not a tough concept to grasp. The setlist is working with casual fans, who just happen to buy tickets to the shows. That's it.

I have made my viewpoint very straight forward. I'm not a crazed fan boi, or somebody who praises everything this guy does. I like the music, love live shows and am willing to pay to see this setlist. If the day comes that I am not interested, or feel that it is worth my time/money, then I won't go. It's that simple.

A "community" where some think it's their job to point out how everything is wrong and what they want from the band...




/jarmo

Honestly, I see more people complaining about the people that are complaining about the setlist more so than the people that have actually complained about it.

And this new Axl Rant has just brought the issue back up.

I understand the people that continue to complian, as in every show going "that setlist sucks, same shit over and over", I agree, those people are annoying and it does get old. However, people such as myself and MANY people in this thread have just commented on what they would like to see in the setlist. Most people arent really complaining, they are just voicing what they would like to see some older more "rare" songs put back in the setlist. And I dont get why you guys cant just accept our opinions and be done with it. Why call us "nerds" and "babies" and "whiners"??

Like I said, I would happily go see GNR with this current setlist, because honestly its not like its a bad setlist or anything, and I havent seen them since 1992 so seeing as it would be the first time seeing the new band and hearing the new songs then fuck yeah I would LOVE it. I just dont think its fair to critizise the "hardcore" fans that have stuck with Axl all these years why he hasnt done shit just because we simply have an opinion as to what songs we would like to hear played.

Some of you get on us for our opinions and then turn around and act even worse than us when defending Axl. Like he can do no wrong and whatever we say negatively about the band or Axl is looked at as "whining", no matter how many great points are brought up. When you cant debate something you simply write it off as "whining" to try and save face, which I think is pathetic.

I think the majority of people attending a show, will be attending just that one show only during this tour.
I'm going to only one show, I have a family and responsibilities the same as most of the audience.
I for one am glad they are only playing about 3 songs from the unreleased album, the ONE show I am going to get the chance to go to, I want to hear alot of the songs I know and love.
It's not Axl or the bands fault that a few people feel the need to go to 6, 8 or 10 shows on the tour, I think he's playing for the majority and not just a select few.
If people want to follow him around from city to city on the same tour, I can't see what they have to complain about, I mean it should be obvious that they are gonna play about the same stuff, I mean it just seems like a no brainer to me.

i think that 60% of worlfd population hate wholw world from they wake up i nthe more,and those people are opsition for everything

well when cd will be out,than many people will say we need amore songs there,when gnr have sell more than 3 milion copies for a ?2-3 months,then they say "it's ok,but look at apetite",when they make stadium tour then they say "ok but there were 100 free seats"

SLC - I get your point. I really do. I'm only commenting on the rant and I find it a little disrespectful that he would say that to people I KNOW love this band and support them.

Again, I'm not speaking of the people who are complaining just to complain. The shows are important, not our opinions about the setlist. It really doesn't matter at all. But there are people here who have made valid points on just the simple subject that they only wanted to hear a few old songs thrown in. I don't see why that is so bad. I don't know why they're being ridiculed, but hey, like you said it doesn't matter. I just don't like to see it. That's where I'm coming from.

The only complaint regarding this rant, is the rant itself. When the fuck is Axl going to start saying fuck again? I mean besides when its in the old songs. This rant is weak. He should have said something like "If you dont like it then don't fucking listen, because we play what we want, when we fucking want to. We don't need whining bitch fans, you homefucks." Where did that Axl go? Thats the shit that gets me pumped. Axl is too fucking happy to rant. Im happy he's happy, but don't call it a rant when its not. Ive seen some pretty wicked Axl rants, even live...and this is no Axl rant.

Ummm Buddha_Master I think you need to go back and read the rant again.  :hihi:

the highligt of last night was the rant, not the music. This is not good  :no:

Why is Axl even ranting about losers on a message board??   He says he doesn't care  about what they think  but it's obvious he does  or else he wouldn't have brought it up.    What happened to the Axl Rose  we all knew  and loved?   I miss the days  when he ranted  about  other celebrities and the press.   Now he is ranting about some insignificant nerds  on the internet .   This is sad .

Final point from me:

Mix in Don't Cry and Civil War. ?2 HITS that they don't play. ?It'll please the fans who've never seen them before, as well as the die-hards that are looking for a little something different. ?I don't think that's too much to ask. ?

A few people on here want rare songs, but that probably won't happen, if they're still going to play songs from the new album. ?Fine by me. ?But for those that say that right now they're playing "the hits," they're really not. ?Think About You is hardly a hit.

Yea, I guess it is better on the second reading. I guess its how he said it? Did he say it calmly...or was he pissed sounding? Its in the delivery of it. So which is it?

Because us 'losers' on the message boards have stuck with the band for years and years when nobody else realizes GnR still exist.. I think he brought up a valid point:

They're going to play what they want, when they want and don't give a fuck what others think.

THAT is the Axl Rose we all know and love, and I for one, respect him for speaking his mind..

My final point : The setlist doesn't matter. People are enjoying the shows, that's what matters. This discussion is dead.

And stop coming down on people. Its stupid.

And Axl, you think next time you decide to rant on one of the topics here you could mention a release date? :hihi:

edit: Good post downzy : ok:

Andew:

You have a valid point, but what's changed?  This is the way they treated the fans in the early 90's as well.. Sure they mixed up the setlist, but they were touring w/ 2 albums under their belt..

Right now they're touring with an album that most people don't think will see the light of day, so they can't really play any of the songs from that album..

I know you're mentioning the Illusions, and I agree completely with you that they should play some of our favorite UYI songs, but even the same setlist over and over again is better than hearing no news whatsoever and all of us wondering if Axl will ever surface again..

He's touring right now, so maybe things will change in the future..

That is a great post, pretty much sums up how most people feel.

 :confused:

I feel the exact same way.

yeah, and picking on the irish wasn't cool.. he should know that i missed my fucking exams to go and see them play

From the looks of it, I don't think Axl will ever mention CD again in his rants.  He hasn't mentioned it this entire year unless he was asked about it.

He was talking about you!  ::)

Anyway, does anyone know who exactly he was talking about?

Yeahahahah!  ;D

Those dang 'ole Irish.

probably all the ass fucks emailing ron and shit about changing up the setlist

Axl is basically laughing at us and I find this sort of amusing. ?

What I find more amusing is the dissection of his commentary here that has now run on for 10 pages. ?Again doing the same exact thing he is laughing at.

Who is he talking to? ?All of you....Me too! ?If you think it might be you, it is! :hihi:

I agree with Andrew,

I mean fair play to Axl to have a go at the people that comment on these boards, dont go to gigs or anything...but I don't think its cool to pick on the die-hards that travel to different contintents to see this band, pay lots of money and have a lot of time off work.

I don't care what Axl said,only i like is music

Axl have to know,without this and couple others boards,this 2006 tour wouldnt be successfull like it is

Lol, that's true.  GnR has never nor will ever win any awards for being fan friendly.  That's to be expected, and why there's some serious GNR haters out there. 

But to calm things down, I think most people who are somewhat unsatisfied with the lack of change in the current setlist aren't so because of the lack of Chinese Democracy material.  That would be awesome, but personally, I wouldn't mind waiting for the album until we hear what's left on the album.  Seems like half the album is already available through bootlegs and leaks.  It would be nice to hear the rest via an official album.  So the lack of new material isn't want bothers most people.

And granted, this is a great a time to be a GNR fan.  After years and years of nothing, we're on the cusp of a new album and the very beginnings of a North American tour.  This is nothing but great quantities of awesomeness.  An no one likes a crybaby at a party, it brings the mood down. 

But there's two things that got myself, and many others, agitated.

First was Axl's rant, suggesting that he could care less as to what certain fans think of the setlist.  I'll admit error in my assumption, but I seriously thought that when I plunked down over $1600 worth of tickets for myself and friends to see shows in Toronto, Ottawa and Quebec City, we would be seeing something a little different.  And to be honest, its not even the songs that they play, but the order that they play them in.  It would just be nice to walk in and not say: Jungle, ISE, Brownstown, LLAD.  Granted, after that, it gets mixed up a bit, but you know by the time you hear Patience, you know Nightrain and the encore aren't far behind.  I just thought that the band playing New York for the 6th time in four years would want to bring something new to the table.  At the time I bought all those tickets, the NA tour hadn't started yet.  In the end, it's not that big of a deal, and even though I'm probably going to be seeing the same show for the 8th, 9th and 10th time, I'm still super excited about it for not just me, but the 15 people I bought tickets for. 

The second issue that sends blood to a poiling point around here is the notion that any person requesting a setlist change is labeled as a whinner.  Through all the posts I've read thus far, no one here has demanded or told the band what they should be playing.  Most people here are simply saying that they'd like to see a change, but even if that's not the case, we all still love and support Axl and this band.  Many have said that the setlist is perfect as is.  Well, that's great, but many others disagree.  Those people seem content to hear a guitar version of Christina Aguilar's Beautiful over an Illusions tune. 

As it sits in my mind, the bottom line is this: would there be more or less complaints made if they switched Out Ta Get Me or My Michelle (Baz can find another song to sing) with Civil War, Don't Cry and/or Yesterdays than what exists with the setlist staying the same.  Something tells me that there'd be fewer "whinners" if one song was switched so a returning audience could hear something new (and I don't mean Chinese Democracy material).

Cheers,

Andrew

Ahhh ha, hilarious..... :rofl:

I mean I won't lie, I definitely want to see the setlist change, because I seen closely the same one about 5 times.. but I don't complain too much, all the shows have been good. :peace:

Does no one here even realize the irony of this thread???????

Axl-Is talking to the people who don't even bother to go to shows yet ramble on the internet that he is playing a similar setlist (mind you to a different audience) every night.

Somehow this has turned into Axl hates Irish people, Axl hates his fans, Axl hates internet users and whatnot.

The internet is like a game of telephone in my opinion. ?Those as old as me will remember this game. ?You have a group of people and you tell the next person a piece of info and as it goes down the line by the time the last guy hears the info it is something totally different than what it started as. ?

The sad part is that about 99% of the people who do complain about the setlist have seen at least one show of this new band. Make a poll and you'll find out for yourself. I bet at least 50% of them have seen 5+ shows.

I did this little comparison a few weeks ago. I checked if the people complaining we're actually listed as going to any of the uopcoming shows and I don't think I found any of them listed. I only checked a few, but still...




/jarmo

I don't know. My impression is most of them have seen shows. Maybe you need to check past tours as well, including 2001 and 2002. Maybe not all of them add their names to the list of people going to shows.

You can take ANY band and have the same complaint. ?If you are going to see multiple shows of the same tour why would you expect to hear something extremely different every night.

After all is said and done I will see 6 shows this year. ? Should Axl personally accomodate me if I see shows that are scheduled close together because I have already seen this set?

Should he personally say what I want him to say because I typed it in an online forum?

Should I feel let down personally when he doesn't accomodate my personal wishes?

Exactly, once you've seen a show and see how great the band is you don't care about the setlist as much, it all just fits nicely into place.

bottom line is let axl decide the set of the show..hes the genius hes the one who has to use his voice for 2 n half hours not us...so some people might aswell appreiciate the set list..if they dont they can fuck offff. at least hes playing the shows so far..

Fuck....you people get offended over nothing.  Axl complained...BIG DEAL!  It's not the end of the world.  If you're buying tickets to see the shows, you at least have some idea of what the setlist is going to be.  I'll be seeing 3 shows in 4 days...yeah, I've spent a lot of money, but I'm going there to see my main man in action, and he could make sounds with his armpits for all I care.  What do you guys prefer, talking about his drapes?

 :rofl:

Note to Axl-Make armpit noises at the next show or ELSE!

And if you don't do it I am going to take it personally and think you hate me!  :hihi:

Seriously though, some people here (and on other forums where this is posted) need to get a grip and need a reality check.

I want three shows of armpit noises!  ;D

Or I'll move to Ireland.

Agghh....  Constructive criticisms have been articulated and we get this...  Good post buddy, definitely worth the read.

OMG was released back in 99. It is a viable setlist option.

Rhiad and Silkworms appeared during the 2002 Chinese Democracy World Tour.  In addition, Rhiad was listed as a miscellaneous track on the setlist for Vegas 2006. It is among the songs the new band rehearsed this year. Option viable.

Again, you are oversimplifying the arguments being made here. No one is advocating massive changes. No one is even advocating nightly changes. We would like to see some variability every so often instead of the same pool of 28 songs from which the band has been drawing from since Hammerstein. It as someone said make the show more memorable and would not detract from the enjoyment of the general masses.  As long as the major hits are played and AFD is generously drawn from, there is no problem in my mind.  An encore of Yesterdays or Estranged would appeal to both sides of the GnR fan spectrum

btw, calling community members idiots is an insult and speaks largely to your intelligence level.

Alot of bands that i follow closely and go to their shows switch up their setlist every night - (Black Crowes, Karl Denson, etc) and it adds to the excitement becasue you never know what is comming next.  Why are people on this board not allowed to have the opinion that they would love to hear some different songs??  This is just my opinion, but i feel that alot of people are forgetting what drew them to this band in the first place...a different setlist everynight was a signature of the old GNR.  Anyway, bought tickets to two 2002 shows, saw 2 Hammerstein shows, and will be at MSG on the 10th.  Again, though not sure that gives me anymore right to have an opinion than anyone who hasn't gone to shows.  But people just jump down everyone's throat on this board as soon as they see someone else who has a differing opinion.  All this being said, sure Axl can perform any show he wants....again, i keep buying tickets....but all the people chastizing anyone who says..."Hey, wouldn't it be great if they threw in this or that, or switched the order around a bit" just need to come off it.  just my opinion. 

So he actually said he doesn't mind the cameras and recorders? That sure is a change from the Axl that would go diving into the crowd to take one away from someone!

well obviously he doesnt mind about the cameras these days because modern technology has exceeded over the past 15 years since the st louis concert. he aint that bad and he doesnt act like a lil kid sayin "ohhh take that camera of him i dont like it"...to be honest he has matured alot over the past 15 years..not sayin he wasnt mature then..but he coool now... he appreiciates the fans alot more now because he knows that they have been waiting for this album alongggg time.

It's like asking where do you think the word "mofo" comes from.
And as I see it, actually he cares about the fans and not a straw about the critics or the media people.

:hihi: :hihi:
How about some relatively recent interview?
In the kroq phone interview in august, with regard to the setlist he made comments to the effect that it wouldn't change much save that there would be some nightly variation depending on the vibe of the crowd and other circumstances and how the band feels.

The set reflects the feedback from the crowd at each night.
When the vibe of the crowd and other circumstances change, it will change by itself.

Or, maybe it won't until I get to see the band play this set as the world is revolving around me. :peace:.

I am complaining, and I saw them in boston 2002, Ny hammerstein 2006 and im going to worcester (and maybe MSG) 2006. I know of a few people who went those shows plus HOB and a few others and are complaining about the set list Sure 90% of the people going to the shows will be happy with a hits set list, but he should throw the die hards a bone too and play a few more songs from CD. If they played the first hammerstein show set list every nite (which was all the hits plus cd, maddy, blues, twat, irs, and better) I dont think anyone would be complaining.

Axl would never jump at someone because of a camera.

No.. you're right.. he never would.. *roll eyes*

Even though Axl doesn't care anymore, the venues/security certainly do..

This is a good post. There are some overly obsessive folks who do come off poorly due to their passionate comments, there are also some folks who would honestly like to hear some of the other kick ass songs from the back catalog/deeper CD cuts we have yet to hear and are rationally stating that fact. I don't think, at least I hope, that Axl was addressing primarily the former rather than the later.

Wasn't there a thread here a while back asking everyone what back catalog tunes they would like to see during the upcoming tour? I think so..

I have seen the last three incarnations of GnR Mach II (Buckethead, Brain, Frank) and have spent a lot of money and traveled considerable distances to do so. I want to hear something different in the set list as they have been pretty much the same since '02, does that make me an asshole?

I had no intention of catching them in Ft. Myers or Tampa but I did end up going to the Ft. Myers show at the last minute. The concert was good, the attendance was fair but the crowd was enthusiastic. Axl n' Crew put on a great show, I was really impressed with Frank I must say, and I had a good time. I am glad I went now, but I really had a hard time forking over the cash to see a concert I have memorized since it was the same show I saw 3 other times. I don't expect Axl to cater to me personally, but I do hope he rethinks some of his comments as they surely rub some of the die hard folks who are growing weary of Axl touring with no album.

Hopefully that last fact will become moot in the very near future.

Why are you going then if you don't like the setlist?

You want to go so you can complain? You want to go in case they change the setlist?

Or maybe you go because you know it'll be a fucking awesome show, but you still feel the need to have something to complain about?


/jarmo

good one jarmo...no point complaining....just be reasonable...hes the leader of gnr not you!

Ive never gotten to see them and im going to see them in halifax id like to think by then theyll throw some twists in it. But i aint gonna complain i just wanna see them play.

I'm traveling to NYC to see them on the 10th of November. ?I saw them at Hammerstein. ?I will get to see a different show.

I'll get to see Beautiful and Don't Cry played during the solos. ?Perhaps Ziggy Stardust by Dizzy?!? ?None of those were performed in May of this year.

Hopefully I'll get to witness the opening riff of Chinese Democracy for the encore.

I may get to see Frank on skins.

But what I fully expect to see is all the GNR classics, played LIVE, that have kept me tight to this band since 1987. ?And I'm guessing I will hear better versions than I heard at Hammerstein earlier this year. ?It will be some 30-40 shows since I saw them last. ?No doubt they will be better.

I'll also be able to absorb Sebastian Bach's performance during My Michelle. ?I was at the first show in Hammerstein so I was out of my mind numb when he came on stage. ?Nobody knew it was coming. ?I was in shock, but this time I'll know he's coming.

I was also surprised that they played all the new songs that they did. ?Maybe we'll get a surprise....like Sorry. ?Bach's description of that song got me itching to hear it.

If the same setlist is played, I'll be rockin' my ass off. ?It's GNR live!!! ?Per my opinion, there is no better rock show around.

I think its funny Axl reads the message boards, or someone reads it for him and lets him know whats up. I figure he wouldn't care or have better things to do with his time. Maybe he/someone has been reading them for awhile, and he's finally out there because he wants be but also because he finally wants to give something back to his biggest fans. I know its unlikey, but he wouldn't comment on shit on a message board or care about it if he didnt care about his fans and what they think. :smoking:

Why exactly is it wrong for him to want to see a different show? November is the time at which a single/album is likely to drop; there is/was a strong chance to hear something completely new as opposed to what we heard in May.

For myself,  if I knew that the setlist would be less new than the one I saw on May 12 at the Hammer gig, I probably wouldn't  have spent another $100+ to see them again until the album dropped.

Amen Axl. ?I'm sick of hearing people complain too. ?Wahhhh! ?I wanna hear different songs. ?Wahhhh! ?Just be grateful you're hearing ANYTHING. ?All those who complain, you know who you are. ?Do yourselves a favor and make yourself your own greatest hits CD. ?Listen to that over and over. ?That'll solve all your problems. ?Cuz Axl can't create a setlist for Billy from Boise, Idaho because Sally from Bakersfield, CA is gonna wanna hear some different songs. ?You see how ridiculous this is. ?Shut up and enjoy the ride.

I don't think the majority of the criticisms are unjust at all.  As Acquience Rain pointed at the Bar, why is it wrong to want to hear new songs on what is called the Chinese Democracy World Tour? And in fact many of us aren't even complaining about the lack of new songs. We miss alot of the Illusion material and would gladly trade one or two of the back AFD catalog for one of the older gems.

Of all the people that are going to the shows ?or are going to buy the album ? this board is really the ? minority . ? Of all the GNR boards ?in the internet ?i would say that 2-3 of those people are attending each show . ? ? This is why I am surprised he even took the ?time ?to respond to us. ? If Axl only depended ?on us ?there would be no tours ?or album . ? If i were Axl I wouldn't ?even acknowledge this board ?or any other GNR board . ?Even if he lost us as fans ?it still would not hurt him financially . ? If we were important ?he would have released this album a long time ago , he knows the fanbase of the message board ?will not make or break the album ?which is why he doesn't care how great you think the new tunes ?are . ?Fact is that the majority of the casual fans think the new band is ?shit and that ?is what keeps delaying the album . ?He is afraid to fail . He knows that most people at the concert are hearing the ?new tunes ?and the current setlist for the first time . The new tunes that we have heard thus far ?are the best Axl has to offer ?and he wants to make sure ?people hear it . ?He's not going to replace his best new songs ?in the setlists ?for the remaining shitty ones ?in the album. He wants people to buy the album ?, so he is going to be playing the best new tunes ?no matter how badly ?any of us ?want to hear the other ?songs ?from the album. So please stop demanding so much from Axl ?, ?we mean nothing to him and until you guys realized that ?you will keep being disappointed ?time after time . ?

Facts unsupported by evidence.


Source?


Assumption by you.

It is reasonable to believe that when CD does arrive in stores, we will then here new songs. ?Until then, I'll take Better, IRS, Chinese Democracy, Madagascar and The Blues. ?Hell, I even got to hear TWAT at Hammerstein. ?The setlist will change when the majority of the audience can be as into these songs as they are into songs from AFD. ?Until then lets wait until CD is released before we expect any major changes. ?

Although I would like to see them drop LALD and replace it with something else off UYI like Civil War or Dead Horse.

Thats exactly why I cheaped out and got 300 level seats.  I still want to be there and I'll still have a great time, but I'm not going to pay full price for a show I already saw.  I think for those of us who went to the May shows we do have to keep in mind they were warm up shows and that most people at MSG probably didn't attend any of those shows so this will be the first time for them.

to me the real whiners are the dudes who have monitor the set list of EVERY show since May and compare/contrast the set lists and say which songs should have been included.  Its just beyond retarded to me why they think the setlist in Lisbon should be different then the one in Hammerstein (for example).

Glad to see Axl liked my updates of the Sunrise, FL show and was inspired to add to my "If anyone is bitching, tell them to shut the fuck up" comment. ;D

I want to hear the studio versions before I hear them live. Would love to hear the new songs just as anyone would, but most people here are interested in hearing the new songs on bootlegs, which is probably why they're not playing them. The band would rather you hear them in their full glory on the new album, trust me on that, otherwise you'd have heard the entire album by now.

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you know, ultimately it comes down to money:

if you're really that unsatisfied with the setlist then vote with your wallet and dont go to the shows. it just seems silly to me to bitch about the setlists then plunk down your cash irregardless. wait-you assumed when they toured this time you'd be hearing newer stuff and it isnt happening? then sell your seats to someone who wants to see the band no matter what theyre playing, or bring a friend along whose yet to go and eexperience the concert through their eyes.

i get that some folks here have been to alot of shows and want to feel rewarded by hearing something new this time..but ultimately the band and the majority of the audience dictate the setlist-if the majority of folks buying tickets arent superdiehards, they're gonna wanna hear what they know-and the band will plan accordingly.


well put  : ok:

and yes, i recognize the diehards are crucial to the success of the new endeavor, and i think once the new product is out we will be rewarded...until then---it's a business, and ya gotta treat it as such.

Already got the tix and thought they were going to play more new songs. The hammerstein show was great because they added in TWAT, IRS and Better, but since that show they have since dropped CD or Madagadscar and rarely play TWAT. Like I said its the CD tour i really dont think its too much to ask for them to play the leaks and the live songs t hey played in 2002 but they cant even do that

There's a huge difference between wishing to see something at a future show you're attending and complaining about the shows you weren't at.

like you voice your opinions and we voice ours, Axl just voiced his which was, surprisingly enough! :hihi:, not with the moaners.
Why the fuss?

Not everybody can well afford the time or the $1k (well actually it's less than my estimative travelling expenses for a show, which is of course only my business) for many shows like some lucky bustards here. Most people just make it to a show or two nearby and get back with their steps and hearts bounding with lingering gratification.

Does that make them any less important as an audience at a show than those who have been to the shows enough to worry about the set list?  Money can't buy love. :hihi:

The setlist will change when it changes even if you don't like it changing/how it changes.
we will most likely hear the same people complaining then.  :hihi:

sell your tix on ebay.

Probably not too kosher to express ones intentions to do that here.

Wow- I've created the largest thread of the day.  I just thought of something.  Knowing the set list can be advantagous.  When Axl introduced Finck, I used that as an opportunity to go piss and buy more beer.  I don't care about hearing "Beautiful". 

I just hope he will continue to bitch about things on stage.  I miss the old Axl who used to talk to the audience alot and say whatever was on his mind. 

I can't believe there are people that would actually DEFEND Axl and co for NOT playing different set lists?!?!? What fan in their right mind WOULDN'T want to hear variation if they were seeing multiple shows? Who cares what Axl says about Internet people sitting behind keyboards. I am going to see multiple shows on the West Coast and would obviously love to see some set list changes from night to night. There is a reason that bands/acts like Springsteen, The Stones, or U2 can tour over and over and you'll see a different set every night. A great rock tour adds unpredicability - what will they play? what nuggets will they unearth tonight? What will they open with? If you play the same well-rehearsed, well-choreographed set, night after night, you've become a well-thought out show as opposed to a rock concert. I would expect to see the same act night after night from Madonna or Christina Aguilera or some other person with a choreographed stage show - not Guns n Fucking Roses.

Wow, I just read all 12 pages of this one... ?awesome thread, some good debates goin' on... ?

it's pretty obvious why they don't play other CD tracks (they want to save them for the album, don't want to alienate non die-hards at the show, etc), but I can't think of any solid reason why they wouldn't play Civil War. ?I mean, seriously, that song fucking kills! ?Most bands would give anything to have a track like that in their catalogue... ?I went to two shows at Hammerstein, and will be in the pit at MSG and Baltimore, and I can honestly say that one reason I got my tix (especially for MSG) was that I anticipated hearing some UYI shit... ?

Varying the setlist to include a track like Civil War or Yesterdays would be perfect because (1) it's a crowd pleaser (people know and love those songs) and (2) it provides variety and would please the die-hards like us. ?It's a non-risk. ? Everybody wins. ?I really don't wanna sound like I'm complainin' here, b/c like everyone else, I just consider myself lucky to even have the chance to see them. ?I was at the philly riot, and i honestly thought I would never get to see axl live, ever.

They play Beautiful after introducing Richard not Robin. What show were you at?

Just hearing anything different would be much appreciated.

It doesn't have to be "huge" songs like Civil War or Estranged.

I'd jump for joy if they played Yesterdays, One in a Million, or even Sympathy for the Devil - Anything to get LALD and Out Ta Get Me out of the setlist.

You're right- Richard. 

"He doesn't care" or "he doesn't give a fuck" yet he seems to be reading this board and he's now ranting about it....oooooooooooooooook!

I just wish he'd start listening.

 With all due respect you should learn how to spell the town you are going to. It will make it a lot easier to find.  :hihi:

First off I'd like to say that I've seen them 4 times since '02, and yeah--each time has been amazing. ?The energy of the show is fantastic and the tunes still rock--so yeah, that in and of itself is a reason to go. ?This is a great thread--lots of good points made on both sides. ?

But I do think the claim that the people who follow this board only make up a very small % of the audience is just wrong. ?The general public doesn't live under a rock--a lot of people with the disposable income to shell out these ticket prices are gonna do at least a minimum of research, and it's not hard to find this site, and others, that've told the story. ?And the expectations that come with this tour, this record, and these musicians. ?And, a lot of people *have* heard the leaks too--evidenced by the multiple people I've met here in NY, Vegas, Chicago, etc. ?This isn't 1998 anymore where only a few internet "nerds" are in the know about what's been going on with this band. ?And it ain't that "nerdy" anymore to check out bands and music on the web--that's how a lot of music is discovered these days. ?Whatever plusses and minuses that may bring is irrelevant--that's how the industry works now. ?

I for one don't post much here at all, but I check in pretty often to see what's up (I know a lot of others that do the same), and that's because I strongly think this is a band that still matters. ?That's part of the intrigue--he's been gone for so long--what's next? ?What are these guys gonna drop on us? ? That's ultimately what's going to make or break this incarnation of the band--delivering on the incredible potential of the new material and new players. ?And to those of us going to mulitple shows and supporting the band through a lot of up and down times, I think it'd be a great move for him to mix it up just a little right now, as some have suggested. ?Civil War would be a great start, Rhiad even better, and hell mix in a cover or two. ?Look how AMAZING "Sailing" was--damn.

Bottom line, the only thing the performer "owes" the fans in any concert setting is a 110% effort to give them their moneys' worth that night and rock the f*ckin' place to the ground. ?By all accounts that is happening. ?But instead of ranting on a couple overly-negative people, I think the band should go the opposite route and use the "hardcores" and their considerable word of mouth (with sites like these, etc) TO THEIR ADVANTAGE and really break out some cool sh*t. ?It's a great opportunity to make a very, very good show something completely mind-blowing, in the process gaining more new fans, generating even more positive buzz, etc. : ok:

See ya at MSG.   :beer:

Well I don't know if someone already said this, but to all the people who keep sayin' they are playin' the BIG hits I just want to ask this.....

Civil War, Yesterdays, Don't Cry wasn't big hits ?

And Out Ta Get Me and My Michelle was ?

Yeeeeeeees sir.

LOL... Trust me, if he had accused/singled out Greece and the Greeks, I'd try to find the one Greek asshole complaining and kick his ass...  :hihi:

Anyway, I don't think I'd start crying about it... As I said he mentioned Ireland cause it's on the other side of the atlantic and probably no drunken Irish will travel so far for a show in the US. He could have mentioned any country, it was just an example, he didnt mean anything special by mentioning Ireland...


You? Drunk? NOWAY....


Again, he just mentioned Irish as an example, he could have mentioned any other European country... It's not like he's got something against Ireland and Irish people...

Yesterdays was a hit? Where?

One thing that would be really cool of GN'R to do would be to hold a poll for which songs people want to see on the setlist, and then do a show with the most requested songs. I know Theraphy? did something like this earlier this year. They held a poll on their official site, and then recorded the songs live (but in the studio) and released them on the website.

Not that I think Axl would ever agree to do something like that, but it would be cool, wouldn't it?

I just put my "dream setlist" in the 'US Tour wish list'-thread. Do so you too,

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=34200.0

It wasn't as big as some, but it was a hit.

so axl is calling out fans who sit on a message board and complain about the setlist. it's funny that the same people are the ones that supported this band and axl all these years without any activity ('96-'01) and after a failed tour ('02) and they're the ones defending him against all bad press and the casual rock fan that thinks axl is an asshole. so i won't agree with axl this time.

there's some of you who say that people going to more than one show should expect the same setlist and don't have the right to question what the band is doing. i say they have every fuckin' right to express their opinion just like each and everyone here does. just because they're not praising every show doesn't mean they should shut up. yes they are 5% of the people going to the show, but one "gem" each show for those 5% i don't think would be too much to ask. and playing the hits for the 95% doesn't mean they could throw a don't cry, estranged in there. it's not like those weren't hits.

everytime someone says that *insert band name here* does something every one of the people blindly defending gnr jumps right in and says gnr is not doing what other bands do. but as soon as people discuss the setlist the same defending individuals say that "most of the bands have the same setlist every nigt". so, when is it ok for me to compare gnr with other bands and when it is not? because i'm confused.

and i keep hearing they play what the crowd wants to hear. then, what about greece when there were civil war chants going on from the crowd?

i've only seen gnr once this year and i will admit it was the greatest show of my life. i had to travel abroad too see them because there was no chance they'd come to my country and i'm 100% sure i'll do it again whenever they'll be back and i'll have a great time again. but i won't deny that i will go hoping to hear some different songs and if it would be the same setlist again i will still rock out but i will be a little dissapointed. i'm not "bitching" and "whining" i'm just trying to share an opinion with fellow gunners and hope not to get responses like "you suck, fuck off, go away if you don't like it".

I guess Axl just needs something to rant about....I do agree with him ranting about the CD though.  At least give it some kind of promotion.  Maybe he'll just rant on and on about CD tomorrow when he comes out dressed as the old Axl.  That'd be great....

No, that is not the point here and I don't understand why you keep grasping onto it like it is. This is the Chinese Democracy Tour. It is not unreasonable for any fan to expect more than a rehashed greatest hits set. If they intended this to be a a greatest hits rehash for the casual fans then it should have billed it that way. You can't create expectations by naming it the Chinese Democracy Tour and then complain when people are upset that they haven't met that expectation.

I understand the album hasn't been released yet, but don't name it the Chinese Democracy Tour if you can't deliver. Sure, they will probably change over to a Chinese Democracy heavy setlist when/if the album is released, but these fans who are seeing the tired greatest hits sets will be getting short changed in the end when that happens.

I also don't understand why everyone is acting like the fans who are complaining are being completely unreasonable here. First of all, these people are complete diehards. They have done more to support this band than these casual fans you keep referring to. These diehard fans also appreciate the band's entire catalog instead of caring only about the hits like the casual fans. A musician should be appreciative of that fact. Instead, he is whining about fans who care about this band the most. They probably care a bit too much, but at least they do.

These fans aren't making unreasonable requests. It's not like they are demanding them to change the entire setlist to tunes that are more obscure to the casual fan. It would be a nice treat if they could just change some things up every now and then. Is it really too much to ask if they would drop a song such as Live and Let Die in favor of something like Civil War or Madagascar? No, it's not but some people sure seem to act holier than thou over it for some reason.

Exactly.  I felt a little nervous before my first GNR concert, thinking that I might be disappointed, but that wasn't the case at all.  The setlist was awesome there, and right now I won't mind if it doesn't change signifcantly when I go again in December.  Of course it'd be awesome if they played some songs they haven't done, but I honestly don't mind hearing stuff like Out Ta Get Me. 

It's not about the hits.. it's about the live show man... the live show is what makes or breaks a band... the hits just give them the mainstream part of it..... my michelle is an awesome song live... watch all the boots you can with of that song....  yesterdays isn't such a good live song.... it's not that electric. say as out ta get me is live...

to summarize: the sad thing is not that this time axl and co play the same songs every night (in pretty much the same order); that's a thing you could live with during a certain tour (not too unusual); the real sad thing is that the 2001 concerts, the 2002 tour and the 2006 tour all have a similar set list...  5 years of new gnr on the road... nothing much changed... you don't have to be a basher to realize that this is somewhat strange...

Oh yes you are a basher, too!?

Maybe I'm so wrong but as hard as I try, I think "Better", "IRS", "Used to Love Her" "TWAT" wasn't played in 2001/2002...

So keep away the whining, noone cares, except people being at the show! It's so fucking ridiculous when some of you demand a change in the set list when you're just sitting behind your PC's and reading the updates!

All those people at the show have a great time and enjoy the setlist - and some "fans" here at the boards complain... I say, fuck that shit!

And in the end it only matters what the band wants to do and when if the're not keen on playing Estranged or Coma, it's not gonna be played! Period.

Funny because I've heard all those performed live over here in Europe (excluding T.W.A.T). But I think the songs were dropped after May because you say so.

At least one show I went to, I got to hear four of those songs. In one show.



According to you, Chinese Democracy was "dropped" but yet it's been played on the current tour.... I don't know what to make of that logic.


/jarmo

Am I the only one leaning towards locking this thread? Seems it has more than served it's purpose.

Don't worry, there will be something new to bitch about soon enough :smoking:

Yeah i think i was at that show, Donnington Also happened at Oslo, Norway @ Spektrum ?28th June and 8th July.

Personally, I can't wait to hear Welcome to the Jungle, It's so Easy, etc. on Nov. 8. 

I'm happy with hearing anything from GN'R after 4 years of nothing and 10 years before that. 

What's all the fighting about? :peace:

Here's the problem.  Some people want to hear NEW songs.  Some want to hear more Illusion era songs.  Some want to hear One in a Million.  Some want to hear Move to the City.  I'd love to hear all of the above but I don't think Guns is gonna play a 6 hour set anytime soon.  While YOU may want to hear a couple more Illusion songs, other peoples would be screaming, "why the hell are they playing old songs, where are the new songs?"  Since this is a NEW band I think they'd be smart to get THEIR material out there instead of playing "Civil War".  The more they go into the catalog the more comparisons to the old band will be made.  They need to create their own identity.  So for now what you hear is what you're gonna get.  Try to rope in the casual fan who remembers the classics from Appetite and the hardcore and new fans who are clamoring for the new album.  Bottom line, whatever setlist they play, any band plays, there's gonna be complaints.  You just can't please everyone.

One could atleast try....

Give it a rest already...Please  :drool:

read carefully: i said that nothing much has changed (not nothing)... and i really do think i have to change my name... :'(

If you take the solos out, you're looking at a setlist of roughly 18 songs. How is having 4-5 new songs played nightly (about 25% of the set) "nothing much"

I see your point, I'm just debating people sayin' they are playin' the hits. Actually I love "My Michelle" and Baz sounds great with Axl in it.
:peace:

In some countries in South America for example. I think they included Yesterdays in Greatest Hits. Go see for yourself:
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/releases/greatest-hits/index.html

I agree with you 100%.

 : ok: : ok: : ok:

Man, two great posts in one thread....Today is gonna be a good day. lol

Great post. I could see it as being unreasonable if people were coming on here and wondering why don't they break into Coma or Crash Diet. That will most likely not happen. The people going to these shows and spending $100 per ticket most likely own the Illusions records. You are going to tell me that the majority of the crowd would be upset if they played "Don't Cry" or "Civil War" Even a "casual" fan would know those songs.
Please stop saying that the "complainers" are asking for more CD songs. We get the point that until the album is released there will be the same songs we have heard already from CD.Great. How about mixing it up with other songs from the catalog as well?

I know it's redundant to say this but I will anyways, I think the setlist is gonna change somewhat tonight anyways.

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Yeah... Is good to see some people understand and respect other's people oppinions. We are hardcore fans too.. I am probably between the olders here.. fan since 1989, 31 years old and I'm still supporting Axl. I just don't keep suckin' his ass like some people here, I got the right to say when I don't agree with something and always try to respect other people's oppinion.


That is very truth !... There are people here who call themselves fans but they consider 60% of UYI albums "fillers", that are great fans for sure... they don't want to hear Estranged live.

I can't talk about Springsteen because I've never been to one of his shows, but The Stones and U2 play practically the same setlist every night. They might change the order a little bit (as Guns do) and switch one or possibly two songs every once in a while (U2 switches more often then the Stones) but it is almost the exact same set every night. Alice in Chains plays the same set every night as well and so does Iron Maiden. There are quite a few bands out there that play similar/the same set list every night. Guns are not alone in this and Guns fans are not alone in complaining. There are those over at the Maiden boards and the AIC boards and the Stones boards that complain as well. Sorry guys, this isn't an isolated thing. A great deal of great rock bands play the same set every night.

Bruce Dickinson rants a lot more this days :hihi: but the maiden fans dont like that, i think its cool. He says what he is feeling  :peace:

4-5 new songs?... "better", "irs" and sometimes (almost never) "twat" makes 2-3 songs that are new compared to 2001. not one new song from uyi, not one from afd, just one from lies, zero spaghetti; as i said: "nothing much" has changed; why is it that so hard to understand? it's ok to think that this setlist is fine or just boring, those are points of views that are neither wrong nor right - just (inter)subjective. but to say that the setlist has become more varied means ignoring simple facts.

The height of GNR's performing abilities was in mid-1991, when they would play 3-4 hours & 30 songs & performed them in various setlists & with intense emotions (particularly from Axl Rose). THere have been great shows since, though it would be nice for some more "spontenaity" & for GNR to throw on a couple of songs here & there to refresh fans' memories & bring out more new material.

GNR can do what they want, & the fans are entitled to their opinions. Great to see Axl rant about it - shows that he's still pissed off & articulate, but I disagree with the rant, & would prefer a more varied setlist.

MNW

They should delete all of the posts in this thread, and just have this one. In BOLD!

This sums the whole thing up.

You just can't please everyone.

When I was at Tampa, I heard so many different songs being yelled at him to play. Some obscure. AXL! AXL! Play Don't Cry, Bad Obsession, Double Talkin' Jive, Garden of Eden, Don't Damn Me, Bad Apples, Coma (that was me), Civil War, Yesterdays, Get In The Ring (yes, and I was like, WTF?), Locomotive, So Fine (once again, WTF?), Estranged, Since I Don't Have You, Human Being, Black Leather, etc.

Some cats kept yelling these obscure songs. Maybe it was one of you from this board?

Judas Priest has played the same set for years...and fans have been bitching for years....so, yes, other fans do want setlists changed...the bands just don't want to ever take the risk, so they stick with what "works".

Ah man this is gone way far enough! I am not suprised for a single minute that Axl has had a good fucking moan! For fucks sake, they are out there playing and they are playing some seriously good shows! If he or someone connected with the band reads websites message boards well I dont blame him one bit for being pissed. I may be wrong but I wouldnt mind betting that half the people moaning are little pricks who have never seen the band or if they have only on the recent tour or 02. Why if the setlists are good enough for me who has seen the band many times since the early nineties or many others who use these boards. Why is not good enough for you whinging little disrespetful pricks? This is one of the greatest band of the last 20 years and they are on the verge of a fucking huge comeback. I bet the last thing that Axl, the rest of the band and the management need is to read some of the most childish, pathetic and rude comments and discussions that have been going on here very recently! It gets me very angry and I am nothing to do with the band so I cant imagine how it would affect the band! We are on the verge of getting what we have been waiting for, for so long now and it seems that it is people who have only been fans of the band for two fucking minutes and more mature fans who seem to have lost the faith that still cant help but whine like fuck and do it sat in front of a computer screen because they think it makes them tough that they can abuse Axl and the band. I can imagine what some of you would be like if you saw them face to face. Two faced fuckers thats what you would be like 'oh axl your great man, i love the new tunes and the new band'. I hope you feel bad when the album drops and then you have to eat your fucking words. At least I will be able to say that I have always believed in the band and have not moaned for one minute about things. And I know that the majority of people who use this board or other ones are the same, but to the minority, you are a fucking disgrace and I cant believe you can call yourselves GnR fans. Mike

Still some believe axl and the band members can't have their say.

BTW, I saw at some other boards that it was some guy in Idaho and not in Ireland. Madagascar was played that nite and cd wasn't.  in the other thread a reviewer says axl aimed those comments at the critics and the media and not at the fans in the forums. What info is more accurate? ???

It's possible the setlist doesn't change because the band doesn't know how to play any other GNR songs. They've supposedly spent the past 7 years trying to put album out. Why would they take time away from that to practice old songs?

These guys are professional musicians.  It's not like Duff was laying down Flea-esque base lines.  If Fink can pull off some of Slash's old solos, then they should have no problem learning a few UYI tracks (if they wanted to)...

Surprised he did this. The only bitching is not coming from people at their computers, there's been posts from people who went to the shows, loved them, but maybe wanted some of the Appetite songs like Out to Get me or My Michelle replaced with Breakdown or Dust & Bones or something. I don't think that's a lot to hope for and I don't think it's anything to get pissed off about. If he's really reading this board he can obviously sense that the new stuff is held in very high regard and it was the man himself who was quoted as saying he liked Appetite but just wanted to " bury " it - and that was almost 20 years ago - I think a lot of people feel the same way now. :peace:

First people bitch when there is no music, then they bitch when it is not the "right" music.
It is perfectly reasonable (and common) to play 3-4 new songs from an upcoming album (or more likely, already released).
The problem is not the lack of new songs from CD, but rather that GNR never had that many albums in the past  to draw from.
Would I like to see a new set list every night? of course, but that is not likely when you have 3.5 albums to draw from. I say it is better to have GNR out and touring than not, even with an "old" setlist.

Good post I back you on that


But there are some of us hardcores that were just a lil too young to get to the late 90's shows we cant be all over 30 and past it  :rofl:

 :peace:

You're talking about one show in particular. Do you honestly think that one show in California in 91 was the height of their abilities??

There was never another show that was close to 3-4 hours or 30 songs.

Yeah. Personally I think the top was 1992, when they were so 'BIG' & 'EPIC' during their shows, like a modern-Stones. Real arena-style.

I think that was the peak as far as that goes.

2002 & 2006, is a different kind of a Guns. A more modern-Guns for the 21st century. The stuff that was cool back in 1991-92, just ain't gonna fly anymore.

You know how ridiculous it'd be for him to come out in a kilt now?

I wonder if there will be a rant about the rant...tonight? :hihi:

I saw them once only, back in 1992, they don't come to my country frequently and I have been a fan since 1989.


Well, I respect Axl, I respect the band and I respect you, but obviously you can't respect who thinks different from you.


Well I haven't say anything about the album itself so, why should I eat my words when the album drops? some people like me have been sayin' that GNR should play some more from their previous catalogue, that's all.

I have been supportive with the new line up, I am a fan, I am waiting for CD to come out just like you, I'll be the first in line to get a copy, I'm sure it will rock.... I feel frustrated when time pass and nothing happen, but I still believe... I am a supporter, but I am not ass kisser.

I think the fucking disgrace of this board are the people who can't respect other's oppinion and want to impose theirs.

I don't mind the same set list.  They are all good songs.  The concerts aren't made for people that see them 7 times a year.  On the flip side, would I like to hear Estranged?  Would I like to hear Coma?  Would I like to hear Nice Boys?  Sure I would.  There is nothing wrong with wanting to hear a wider variety of GNR songs.  I doubt very seriously these songs have ever been practiced by the new band.  We may never hear songs like Dead Horse live ever again.

A pretty fair post

sad but truth.  ::)

I dont really understand the complaining about setlists. ?This is the first real tour in years. A lot people going to the shows havent seen GnR live. And most of the ones who have, dont have previous setlists memorized anyway. And why not keep the same setlist throughout the tour? ?What difference does it make to people in Los Angeles what they played in New York? If they do change it up, then you will complain about how you would have preferred the "name city here" set list to the one they saw. ?As long as SCOM, WttJ, and certain others are played, most fans will go home happy. ?Now, if GnR toured about every other year or so, and had the same setlist for years, thats different. ?But this is the first tour back. There will always be songs that you wish that they played. ?This is true with every concert. Metallica doesnt play "Fade to Black" sometimes, which really gets me, but thats the nature of concerts. I go to see GnR hoping to hear Rocket Queen, not expecting to hear it. ?

Mate I respect your post and I like a lot of the stuff you said. I am not saying that you are one of the people I was aiming my little rant at! Those kind of people know who they are. I always respect other peoples opinions and I do not try and impose mine onto others. I just cant abide the kind of whinging aimed at Axl and the band when they play some mindblowing shows. They got moaned at when there were no shows at all and they still get moaned at when they are playing! For me personally I would love to see Estranged, Coma, Dont Cry in the sets  but I respect that the band play what they play for a reason. But there has been nothing but endless moaning about the sets they do play! So I am sorry if I offended mate, I am sure there are many other people like you who are true fans and my comments were not aimed at you or them. Like I said earlier the people who it was aimed at, they know who they are! Mike

It's the usual "it was better back then" syndrome.

They played a few long shows on the UYI tour and immediately he makes it seem like it was the norm....  :hihi:




/jarmo

I felt affected by your post because I was one of those people who has been askin' for the setlist to be refresh.
I just feel that some people here is disrespecting others for thinkin' different and that's wrong... ?this is a community for discuss, respect must be the main goal for all of us here.

Everything is cool, thanks for takin' the time to clarify
: ok:

A wee bit off topic, but I really hope the new GN'R release the re-recorded AFD! I love this new band, and having those songs would just be dope!

a.

a wee bit of topic  :rofl:

the only part of it that is on topic is that its related to GN'R  :peace:

I didn't say they aren't capable of learning how to play GNR songs. I'm just saying that if they've been writing 70+ songs for the past few years, why would they take time away from that to learn how to play the entire GNR catelog? The setlist isn't changing because they can only play what they know. These guys aren't sitting around, learning the timing on Dead Horse when they're supposedly writing new songs for Chinese Democracy.

(And I say "supposedly" because I refuse to believe CD even exists until I see proof)

They are professional musicians. Who said they should learn the whole discography? How about learning  Dead Horse? Oh, I forgot, in the middle of those "seventy" songs there has been no down time for them to get together and learn some of the older material ::)

Well it's either that, or they're too lazy to change up the setlist. Take your pick.

By the way, being a "professional musician" doesn't mean you just automatically know how to play a song with correct timing.

  yes it does.. that's why you're a proffesional... I mean i can pick up a song by listening to it and learn the timing.... if you're a musician you'd know.. so don't make silly assumptions based on that you probably aren't a musician...   this thread got way off topic..   I thought it was about the rant, now it's about timing on songs..    Good to see Axl reads and (somewhat cares) about what his fans think...

Good post.  Me too, I can HOPE to hear certain songs (especially Rocket Queen) but I know there's a good chance I won't hear it.  I'm not gonna let that ruin my night.  I plan on seeing the best concert ever at MSG on 11/10 whatever songs they choose to play.  And as I read updates from concerts I don't attend I check to see if any different songs are played.  If they're not, I don't let it ruin my day and bitch about it on internet message boards.  I just thank my stars that my favorite band in all the land is playing shows and touring the world.  And I couldn't be happier about it.

so funny as it just takes Axl to say something to put ppl agreeing with each other... axl indeed must be a god... Now everyone does like the setlists again, now all others who dont r just assholes, and all this cos Axl said so... are we that brainless??

I'm from and live in Ireland and was proudly at the RDS show in June, never did I once bitch or moan, I would however like to see the album this side of my 60th birthday (I'm 25) if that classifies as bitching then just call me biatch.

Thats a very ridiculous accusation to say that its 'laziness' which is why they ain't changing the set-list. They can play whatever they want, whatever songs they feel are best to get the audience going, and which ever songs they are most comfortable playing. I know that whether they change it or not I will still be supporting them and attending any show that I can.

It didn't take Axl's latest rant for me to make up my mind.  I've been sick of people screaming for a different setlist since the 2nd Hammerstein show.  Most bands play similar setlists every night.  I bet if you check out gnrontour.com and check the setlists for the UYI tours etc. the setlists would be quite similar.  Just back in those days the internet wasn't as powerful as it is today.  People are free to speak their mind and share their opinions.  It doesn't mean we all have to agree.

The only silly assumption I see being made is that if you're a "professional," it automatically means you no longer need to practice . If a 9 piece band has never attempted to play a song together, it's going to come out like shit. Just listen to the terrible version of TWAT they played at Hammerstein. If you can convince yourself it was good, then you must be one of the people who tried to convince themselves that Axl sounded good in 2002.

If you really want to give them the benefit of the doubt and say they do know more songs than what they're playing, then laziness is the only thing you can blame the repetitive setlist on.

16 pages of replies on Axl's rant..... ;D

He's right people need to get more of a life and new interests :hihi:

Of course, this is all false until you post the mp3 :yes:

Axl saying he doesn't have a problem with cameras at shows was possibly the funniest thing I've ever heard. ;)

I guess it most blow for the band to have every song on the setlist so heavily scrutinised, but the flipside of that is the level of excitement and encouragement that will be generated when a new song is added.

How old are you people? There was no internet in 91. Yes, the millitary has used it for decades, but it wasn't made available to normal people until 94.

If Axl only played new songs off the new albumn and no classics at the next concert, image the bitching people would do then. ?The classic's are great songs, no matter how many times you hear them. ? ?Enjoy the mix they're doing now. ?Just a little patience

I wonder what people from St. Louis think about that.

Perhaps you should read the whole story about the St. Louis incident.

Thanks for the history lesson.  I'll be sure and look up the initial year the world wide web became mainstream next time.  Sorry that irked you so.

lol and you wonder why axl doesn't give us updates... all the fans fight over stupid shit all the time.... this is getting old. so fast.

Exactly. What Axl did was out of line. Just immaturity and bad decision making. We all do it in our lives, and have decisions we regret.

This was simply just one of those "nights". There was nothing going bad enough for that kind of reaction. Inciting a riot because your picture got taken, or a beach ball gets thrown at you, or your heckled, or security interupts the show... none of those reasons are big enough.

It's been 15 years, so it's a non-issue now. But for 'estranged.1098' to say that it was warranted in his sarcastic reply, is just mind-boggling.

All I was saying if after that infamous incident, to say cameras don't bother him, is just one of those ironic statements that makes you laugh as a GN'R fan, when you DO KNOW the history. I got all of my history out of Mr. Rose's mouth, no one else's, and especially not the authorities.

I understand what he's trying to say, but at the same time, he SHOULD care about those of us at our computers. I, for example, can't go to a GN'R show because they are not scheduled in Philly. So, yes, I sit and watch setlist updates. I don't complain. But when he says he doesn't give a shit about me and other fans who don't go to shows, he's making a huge generalization and also saying he doesn't care about people who don't pay to see the shows. I don't think that's right. Just because someone doesn't go to a show doesn't mean they aren't a fan.

I'm not discussing whether the setlist should be changed - I'm just saying I don't agree with how he phrased his point. It makes it sound like he doesn't care about people who aren't shelling out the money, which is pretty lame. I'd go see them in a heartbeat if they played my state.

Yeah, but let's be honest. 99.9% of the people of ALL of these GN'R boards are a complete joke...

they're a complete joke because they kept the gnr interest alive thru all the years with nothing happening? and because they care about the band?

maybe he has a respect for hardcore fans opinion

there were some hardcore fans discussing the setlist but they're a joke :yes: and they made some valid points and instead of smart replys the majority of the answers were only name-calling

Bull. GNR's interest was kept alive by a huge majority of fans, and music interest alike in the band. Not these little boards. Even the BIGGEST of these boards on the internet, are only a small fraction of the overall picture.


Nah. I'm one of the few that actually 'get it'.

Unlike you...

 :'( :-[ :'(

the huge majority of fans that you refer to had no ideea that slash wasn't in the band anymore when the 2002 tour happened. i'm not saying that the people on the message boards are more important than the others but at least you shouldn't tell them to kiss your ass because they are discussing a setlist

I think without the Internet, GN'R would have died out a few years ago. Not necessarily as a band (though lack of interest would have made that happen eventually), but just in terms of interest. The Internet has helped join fans together and propel the myth of the band - and the record itself. It's let Axl realize how many people still have faith. I think without the Internet it would be a lot harder for all the dots to be connected.

Yep.

He didn't say that. He said to kiss his ass, because they are COMPLAINING about a setlist, when he's going out to the front of the stage, and everybody's loving it, and the majority of the people complaining haven't even been to one show.

The shows I went to, EVERYONE was very aware of the current dealings with GN'R. The only thing I had to fix for them, was that Bucket was no longer in the band. Most of the vibe, was that most weren't big fans of Bucket (because of his presentation, not his ability), but overall this 21st century GN'R kicked ass.

Most people became aware of this because of the 2002 VMA appearence, not these message boards.

Dude, no offense, but the VMAs were slated across the board by people and just about every DJ in America made fun of Axl the day after. Yeah, maybe some of the old fans thought it was cool (I certainly did), but average people and casual fans of the band thought it was terrible. A large part of the reason people still call Axl fat, etc. is because of that performance. If he had come back looking like he does now, there still would have been complaints from some, but not nearly as many. That made a lot of people get a new image of Axl and a lot of people still have that image and use it to make fun of him, which is unfortunate.

We're not taking about their presentation.

We're simply talking about it being 'alive' and making the casual fan 'aware'. The VMA's did that, whether positive or negative.

yes the vma's made the casual fan aware but the same casual fan made fun of the band because they looked like a "circus". unfortunatly the average fan cares more about the image than the talent :no:

I can't disagree with that. Definitely not entirely untrue.

We're talking about what kept GN'R alive. Negative publicity caused many to turn their backs altogether on Axl Rose. Casual fans - not die-hards like you and I - lost a lot of faith. If he had come out at the VMAs with a flawless voice, looking like he did back when, the band would have a much better reputation than it does now. A lot of people view GN'R as the punchline to a joke - the album's release will hopefully change that.

But when you want to talk about what kept the band alive - no, negative attention did not. The people who started joining message boards after the '02 tour started? Yeah. An internet fanbase developed. If none of us were here right now, so much of this band's general energy would be nonexistant.

The '02 VMAs might have regenerated some publicity for the band, but it also harmed their '02 tour - the poor ticket sales definitely had to do with the criticism being thrown towards GN'R at the time. The big cities sold out of course, but smaller towns did not.

I think without the Internet fans the band wouldn't have as much interest built up around it right now.

That's my opinion, anyway.

I'll have to agree to disagree. I just feel GNR's legacy is what kept them alive, and the fact they went out on top in 1993. Not internet message boards. The boards may have given people the heads up on stuff, but the large majority, no.

Die hard fans kept the porch light on all these years.  We sold out Hammerstein and sent the band off to Europe with an understanding that the album would follow later this year. I dont think we should be dismissed so haphazardly, especially by Del.

Message boards did not sell out Hammerstein.

I'd say at least a great deal of Hammerstein goers were board folks.

How do you think word spread so fast?

They barely had any promotion - if any. They relied solely on the Internet for word-of-mouth. A large number of the people who attended those shows were forum members.

Maybe 1/5 there were board members. Tops.

Here's Axl's exact words. Maybe, i guess. This is from a review at newgnr.com.

"It's been a long time since I have done this, but like all good things it must come to an end"  He was talking about the people who are writing in the internet or wherever, negative stuff about him and the band.  He said " I don't have anything against bootlegers or that's stuff 'cause I have come to terms with that but it's funny how some kid in Iowa or whereever the fuck it's bitching about we doing this and that. Oh they change the setlist is it beacuse the band doesn't know this song or that one, or the band didn't sound that good, Axl was this and that, bla bla bla and then we have every other little paper or site writing the same shit that a fucking kid that never comes to a show is bitching about ". And then concluded "Anyways, I just want to shove it up there asses. We don't care about those things we just want to have a good time right here, right now with you guys" Then they played "Roquet Queen" saying "this is for you motherfuckers".

Exactly! Very well said.  : ok: Doesn"t sound like a hilarious rant to me at all, actually pretty pathetic(i never thought i"d ever say that about an axl rant) True die hard GNR fans like myself want new GNR songs...thats a fact!  We will allways love the old stuff but come on allready is this new era or old? I don"t even care if we don"t hear any more new songs, but at least mix up the old GNR songs. The ones who are bitching aren"t just kids by a computer not going to shows.....they"r  fans all around the world like my self who travel the world to see the best band in the world but for some fucked up reason are denied hearing alot of the songs which define GNR.  I don"t know why axl picked this to "rant" about? :no: Very surprising. The show in Toronto in a couple wks on Nov 15th I can"t wait for and is going to be totally awsome!.... but also predictable.

I believe uncle axl gave me a mention a few nights ago?????


Anyone want to know why??

I've given some additional thought to the comments Axl made on stage that night.

It's under my impression that Axls main response when he feels hurt is anger. There's evidence of this in the past. Lashing out on Slash, Buckethead, Izzy and Duff after their departures from the band. Dedicating a long rant to Warrren Beatty on a pay-per-view show after he stole his girlfriend. Bitching about his parents when he found out what they'd done to him as a child.

Naturally, alot of these examples are justified a burst of anger, but some of them are also a little more complex than that. It's no wonder to us why some members left the band. We've heard their reasons and often understand them. Now, Axl is not an idiot, so he probably understands alot of them himself. But still, atleast often, he don't seem to be able to reflect on the situation, face the facts and move on. He turns it around, at times, to irrational anger. A fairly known and common mechanism among humans who have experienced alot of pain in their childhood. Every new emotion can trigger the feelings from the past, and since those feelings are so intense the solution is very often to block them out and turn them into something you can deal with. Like anger.

I believe this also applies to what happened in San Juan. Alot of fans had been complaining about the setlist after the first couple of shows, and many of these complaints were justified. Not in a way that he owed us these changes, but that he could have given the fans a little bone while waiting for Chinese Democracy. Show some goodwill.

I have since come to the conclusion that the reason for not changing up the setlist more than they do has more to do with certain aspects of Axls mind, rather than carelessness for the fans. I'm sure he would like to please us, and I'm sure he understands our complaints, but more on a subconscious level. He's got his reasons for doing the set he do, and while many of us don't see the big deal of changing it up a little, it most likely feels very rational to him.

So he gets hurt when the fans he feels should be the most loyal to him, don't seem to understand him. Granted, it's very difficult to understand a man that doesn't talk all that much. That however is of no consequence to Axl. He ignores the logical aspect of the situation of fans complaining and concentrates fully on the sting he feels in his stomach. The result is him bashing alot of us for telling him what to do. He takes on the mask of I don't care what you think, I do what I damn please, when in reality he does care, alot. But his inability to come to terms with it, the pain and struggle it involves, results in what many here sees as a meaningless attack on the ones that have supported him the most.

Hope this almost essay of a post is of use to some of you. It has certainly given me a larger understanding of the man while thinking it out. In some ways I've come to terms with all the bullshit that's has happened and will continue to happen. I will of course continue to engage in the discussions of such, but I will no longer take them personally. I will not believe that the man hates us even though his actions could indicate it. It's just his way of expressing himself.

Well said, you know, that was a very interesting read and made alot of sense.  : ok:

Eh, I see what you're saying.

But the complaints weren't justified is the problem.

You're still missing the point.

They didn't lash out to all of the fans. Just like in Del James article, he said a "minority" of fans, complaining about the setlist, who aren't even at the shows.

No one bashed fans who are at the shows, and want to hear something new.

It's not about getting the point, cause the point is made out ambigious. It's about what you yourself believe. I'm not to tell you what that is, nor you me.

This isn't an attempt to make an argument, but rather expressing some thoughts. If it fits with your own perspective, great, if not just ignore it.

Here is a clip, so this is exactly what Axl said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUhSa1_Cmu0

If I remember correctly, people claiming an understanding into the workings of Axl's mind or an insight into the GN'R decision-making process have been a source of irritation to him in the past.? So, I don't find it strange in the slightest that this continues to frustrate him, especially when he's doing his best to provide a bloody good show for those fans who can be bothered to get their arses off the sofa.? In fact, I think he pretty much hit the nail on the head; if indeed this is an accurate account of what was said at the show.

That was brilliant. When he says it like that I do actually totally agree with him. Fucking hilarious.

Is that pro shot?


 :peace:

no the audience zoom out shot is a still added in from what i can make out it caught me out 1st time though

Is the whole show available? The is nothing in AFC section/


 :peace:

I don't know if the whole show was taped, but I found some clips from the songs.
?
WTTJ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAWiQ_y-LLE&feature=PlayList&p=896CAE26AE4A3901&index=3
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAWiQ_y-LLE&feature=PlayList&p=896CAE26AE4A3901&index=3)

LALD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIZPOinU-2M&feature=PlayList&p=896CAE26AE4A3901&index=4

SCOM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtHekPm-5NU&feature=PlayList&p=896CAE26AE4A3901&index=5

KOHD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbmRzry8c6A&feature=PlayList&p=896CAE26AE4A3901&index=6

YCBM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMdUgFfCsLk&feature=PlayList&p=896CAE26AE4A3901&index=7

NR1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnHP6O8V_j4&feature=PlayList&p=896CAE26AE4A3901&index=8

NR2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nooeaWIwlGY&feature=PlayList&p=896CAE26AE4A3901&index=9

MM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6QuV8QTWWE&feature=PlayList&p=896CAE26AE4A3901&index=10

Patience
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO6_SvV35JA&feature=PlayList&p=896CAE26AE4A3901&index=11

PC1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bJ4invbB0E&feature=PlayList&p=896CAE26AE4A3901&index=13

PC2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOZ9HimB8xk&feature=PlayList&p=896CAE26AE4A3901&index=14

Thanks for the link! I just finally got to hear the rant for myself for the first time. I was surprised to learn that Axl said "some kid from Iowa" not "Ireland" as I originally read. Now I'm all sorts of upset, I was depending on kids from Ireland for my info, now I gotta start looking at contacts in Iowa. Damnit! Oh well, guess you can't believe everything you read on the internet.  :hihi:

Thanks for the link.

After hearing the rant...it is not as big a deal as I once thought.  He gets in a jab but does not go off on a long rant.  And yea, he says Iowa.

 I couldn't agree more.

well the thread is about axl's rant and not dels that doesn't exist.
axl does not really dismiss you on the mp3.
He basically says he doesn't care what armchair critics say about the show. the band just do their best for the crowd at the show.

The numbers on the set are for the greatest happiness of the greatest number of people at the show.
If you tried to please everyone you'd get the same one. Check this http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=a8874a637ac39fb0599e6d28b0460b45&topic=18621.0
The set meets the demand for the time being. The demand will naturally change as the tour goes.


You're once again bloody right, mate.

see the first post of this thread and spot the mistakes! :o

No offence to the topic starter, thanks for the info BTW, but such miscomprehension always happen. we all should have known that.
I thought it was Idaho. Whether in Ireland Idaho, Iowa, or wherever all the same when the guy is not at the show in question then.

Great rant.......and I am happy to see someone from the top verbally break the faces of the whiners and bitches on this and other sites........remember, whiners and bitches never get laid....ever.....they never get laid..... :peace:

rock on AXL,,   and it was iowa not Ireland,

It took me 5 times of watching that to be sure he actually said Iowa.  I guess Axl has an accent to me or maybe I would to him, being that I am from NY :hihi:

Either way "Iowa" represents a generalization of those who do not even go to the show but sit around in places like this and complain.  I am sure he doesn't hate those from Iowa! ;D

its was iowa not ireland

No shit?

I didn't realize.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zUhSa1_Cmu0


That's the first time I've watched an Axl rant and really felt like he was being a total prick. I understand that he'd be pissed at people who complain about setlists, but saying he doesn't care about fans who don't go to shows is pretty arrogant IMO. Like I said in another thread, when you want to talk about "reconnecting to reality," you've got to realize that part of the reason most of us don't go to shows every night is because of reality. I'd go in a heartbeat if they played my state or if I didn't have a job I had to go to or if I had all the money in the world to travel around America following them. They aren't, and I don't, and so I'm at home watching bootlegs. And I don't bitch about setlists. And then he says something like that?  ::)

Read my post on page 18. Maybe it helps.

don't take it personally. he was just saying they (the band) put everything they have into the show and they do it for people at the show. why should he do a bunch of songs for people who aren't even at the concert? its all about the people who have nothing riding on it taking shots because they have nothing better to do. he's just saying he could care less about people who whine about concerts who aren't even at them.

Well he didn't say that, so... I don't understand your rant.

Once again, you STILL don't get it.

He never said that.

He said he was tired of people who are BITCHING about the setlist, that aren't at the show. Del tried to re-state this so it was perfectly clear, and his comments were also misinterpreted and spun.

I'm not necessarily picking on you Russian, because overall I think you're cool, but most of these 'internet-only' fans, REALLY REALLY need to get over themselves. They are legends in their own minds, and think they single-handedly kept the fan base alive since 1994, which is bullshit. I'm not saying they didn't have a hand in it, but it was only a certain fraction of the overall scheme.

But that's not really what this was about. This was not an attack on the fans. This was an attack on the whiners who aren't even participating in this GN'R thing, complaining that the setlist isn't changed to include THEIR favorites for the night, or Axl's still got braids, or Ron's got a Hawaiian shirt on. It's bullshit. "Get a life" - DJ.

So true that they do the show for people at the concert.. not us forum users who download and follow show after show online. Those seeing GN'R as a one off certainly wouldn't be bored!!

Well said, that is exactly how I took it as welll! Mike

Axl Hates IOWANS haha thats great im from iowa haha! so who pissed him off from IA?

He just picked a state out of the hat to prove his point, imo. He should've said Missouri, seeing how I think he's still banned from the city of St. Louis.

I think after hearing that "Rant" you realise how it wasn't intended to offend people. When you read it, it might be in a different tone of voice to what he actually said. Once you've heard him say it, you realise how its not a dig at the fans, it's not even a big deal.

That's what i've been saying. What he said was SPUN. Just like what Del said was SPUN.

People read/heard what they wanted to, and suddenly all of these misconceptions spread like wildfire.

Just watched the rant. I gotta say: fair enough, Axl, I understand what he's getting at. And it's great they played different songs throughout the tour, especially the last couple of shows.