Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Watching now, thought you guys would wanna know

At first glance, didn't look like him, but if he has a full beard n mustache now....It's looking a lot like a guy that's in GNR...Plays similar too.

what?

I just watched Brain play a set at the VEGOOSE festival, taking place in Las Vegas today and tomorrow, with Buckethead, Bill Laswell, and Bernie Worrell; otherwise known as Praxis.  Initially I did not think it was him, but upon closer inspection, it sure looked and sounded a HELL of a lot like our favorite estranged mate.

honestly, i didn't want to believe it either, but it sure looked like brain to me.  maybe it's a one-shot deal since they're in vegas, which is i guess close to brain in CA?

Interesting...

Maybe the idea was for Brain to train Frank this summer, to take over in the Fall.

I like 'em both. The shows I was at, Frank was very good.

Damn. The webcast (http://blueroom.att.com/inc_event_mediaplayer/player.php?id=#vtop) from Vegoose with Praxis lasted only for 15 minutes.

They were featured for a far too brief moment. 

:rant:

i'm watching inland invasion now...i'm not sure anymore if it really was brain.  either way, i don't know how cool axl would be with brain leaving a portion of the gnr tour but showing up to play w/ bucket.

Who knows?  It was on for a total of 15 mins....If it wasn't him, they sure as hell got what I'd consider a dead ringer, didn't they...

Ain't that a kick in the teeth.

Inland Invasion?  ???

From Sauls board:

Show was fucking great. They only played about 45 minutes though...not nearly enough. The line-up was: Brain, Bucket, Bernie and Bill Laswell. That's a whole bunch of talent for one stage!!!

Brain's a grown man.

If he did a one-off gig with friends, its nothing. If Axl would've had an issue re: Brain playing with Bucket in general, he would'nt have allowed him to tour with C2B3.

If he's touring with Praxis more frequently, that's a different story. However, I doubt he'd do it without even mentioning it to Axl.

So he took time off for his family but could play this gig? What a dick

Eh, pretty close to Cali...closer than Fla or Puerto Rico, right?  Can't say I'm not a bit peeved.  Not like Praxis is a consistent touring unit...They play exactly that: one off gigs.

Brain could spend time with his family and do the gnr gigs. i am sure Axl could lend him a copter to go to and from every show, hell axl does that.

One show is not a big deal.

Brain isn't expected to decompose in his house after all.

While I like both drummers, Frank really plays the rock stuff with abandon.  He pounds the drums, and has a powerful live sound a la Bonham.

Damn right, Dave.

Instead of taking a short trip to Vegas and back, he should stay home 24/7 now. The whole thing probably took him 2-3 days, it's a bit different from touring across the States with GNR for the rest of the year.

why is this a big deal? I think Brain lives in Cali. And last I checked Vegas isnt far from Cali. Is Brain supposed to stay lokced up with his kid? I dont want Brain gone at all but I respect the fact he wants to spend some time with his new family....If he continues to play with Praxis or any other band for a sustained period than Id raise my eyebrow...This is nothin...just relax

yeah, it really isn't like he is going on a huge world tour or something.  the timing was just weird...he's no longer listed as in the band on the myspace page, then he shows up on stage with buckethead.  it's probably not really indicative of any trouble with him and the rest of gnr though...

Gnr is his band, and he left gnr to be with his family yet he has the time to play a show with praxis? That means he could play shows ?with gnr then but he hasnt so far on this leg. That is wrong. That is like you telling a friend you cant hang out because you need to spend time with your family then you go and hang out with some other friends.

Well if its ture, that as MERck said , Brain and Frank are both in GNR, than why is a issue, seems that imo, there are truly only 6 members of the band who are indeed GNR, AXL, ROBIN, TOMMY, RICHARD, DIZZY, and PITMAN. And drummers ever since Adlers  departure have been only hired replacements, and having a 3rd guitar player is someone who can bring the technical wizardry to complete the live package. Its not so big a deal. And imo opinion pretty funny, that everyone is getting all worried . Lets save this till the album comes out. But at its core I do believe that those six I mentioned are the heart of GNR now. And after all the yrs of people saying Axl is so hard to work with crap, maybe just maybe, hes alined this this way, to get the best from those and doesnt mind that they do other projects. So hell why not have 2 drummers on the payroll who kicj ass and can fill the voids for each other , at any giving show.

Axl should just fire brain and get back Josh Freese

Brain kicks ass and Axl would have fired him already if he felt he had too. You do not know the situation. So stop saying Brain is a dick etc.

If Brain doesnt do the Calif and Reno date for gnr, then ill really be pissed. Dont forget this is how BH quit. He started doing solo dates then he wigged out before Rio IV and just quit the band. Axl needs people like Tommy, Diz, and Robin that have stood by him from the beginning. Yes Robin left to go tour with NIN but that was just because Axl didnt need him at the time and when Axl called he came back, which pissed Trent off

I take it you must have gotten the behind the scenes dvd early?

I assume Axl/the band/mgmt. were all informed of this and cool with it.... if not... Brain's probably gone for good and Frank's the man.

Either way... I wouldn't lose much sleep over it.: ok:

Even the most ardent Brain supporter wouldn't have a leg to stand on if he gets fired because this performance was unauthorized by the band or mgmt. So I don't see much room for debate if that is indeed the case.

Meanwhile, if this was an "authorized" performance- no need for the Brain haters to get riled up either- if the band and mgmt. were cool with it- then there's no need to get pissy.

I dont hate Brain, i like him, I think he is way better than Frank. I would not be pissed if I did not want him in this band.  I just dont like him playing a gig with another band while he is on hiatus with gnr. Just think if gnr had a show in Reno tonight and he did that show, would all of you still be so cool with it

Dave, that analogy would be correct if Brain would've done this during the September shows. If he would've played with Praxis or Tom Watts or whomever during GNR's minitour, it would've looked bad for him. This is because the September shows were a brief commitment away from his family (and geographically close, I believe). A full-blown US tour is not, and GNR isn't exactly hanging out on Brain's neighborhood anymore, they're moving between cities almost on a daily basis.

You expect Brain to trek back and forth the continent between gigs on Axl's private jet or something? For all we know, he might've even taken his family along for a Halloween trip to Vegas.



I'm sure we're all deeply affected by your sentiment. Hypothetically, should Brain resign, the band would keep on touring with Frank. It's a tad different situation than back in 2004. To me, it seems Brain's done the right thing - notifying GNR that he might not be available throughout 2006 because of family matters, thus granting them all the necessary time to hire an understudy.

this is Axls 'project' and this again highlights it. This is the vision Axl obviously had back in the mid 90's when he dismantled GNR. Its kind of like Trent from NIN or Josh from Queens of the Stone age.

As long as the songs can be played live, does it matter? I thought BH leaving (this 'bands' trump card IMO) would kill this whole thing initially though it would seem not - just hire another guy who can rip off the parts live for the shows.
Stick to CD songs and youd have less of a problem but of course thats not feasible and this is a 'new' band ?:hihi:

Same deal with Brain - great drummer but Im sure this Frank guy can fill in adequatley for Brains CD parts as well as GNR classics (predominantly AFD songs)

This is also just more ammo for the haters to call new gnr not a real band and an axl rose solo project.

Wow you beat me to it and proved my point. And no the songs cant be played live. Frank cant even play madagascar, why do you think its missing from the set list now?? Is frank even good enough to play the songs? From the youtubes of the first few shows the band sounds a mess and out of synch, adn that all stems for the drummer

That wouldn't have anything to do with YouTube itself, eh?

I saw them (with Frank) live in July. The band was aces, Madagascar sounded awesome.

theres nothing 'hater' about believing this is a project.

Lets be realistic

your worship level has obviously been dented judging by your outbursts towards Brain - my point is as long as the CD parts can be played live (and by all accounts hes a great drummer) theres no problem

back up your argumentative claim with fact instead of knee-jerk rhetoric

I talked to a few people that went to the show too and they said the same thing

Like I said, if he can play a show with praxis he can play one with gnr. Also, we ll see if he is back before gnr play the west coast, but if he is not and does not play the west coast shows, then there is a problem.  No one still answered my question. What if gnr were in Reno or Cali tonight and Brain was not there but was playing with Praxis, would some of you still be cool with it?

i saw gnr in europe with frank. i saw gnr in florida with frank. ive seen over 15 shows with brain. it isn't even close. brain is a far superior drummer than frank. im just calling it as i saw and heard it. as a long time die hard that has stuck through the band for over 20 years, i really had gotten used to the new band and i call it as "band." not axl with a bunch of guys. and brain is (was?) a huge and important part of the band. i hope he is still in the band. im not a frank hater, but he's just not good for the band. its that simple. with players coming in and out, it just gives the sense that its axl's solo project....but in reality, it isn't. brain is a huge part of the band and i hope he comes back. i wish frank all the best, but he's not right of gnr...

Yeah, but Brain has been playing with Bucket before he was in GNR.? Axl knows this.? It's not a slap in the face.? Gnr has two drummers now, maybe because the erratic frontman has matured a little bit through the years. :o? Give credit to Axl for respecting Brains other outlets.

yeah, you're right...i think axl has shown he's way different from the old axl.

Yeah, but a 2nd keyboardist & 3rd guitarist are not needed fully to pull off the songs. A drummer is essential to a rock band.

Most likely Brain is still officially GNR's drummer, but Frank is an alternate. Just like Ron and possibly Izzy are alternates on the guitarist roster.

Sorry, but if Brain has time for drumming for someone else when GNR are kicking off a crucial tour, his priorities are not in the right place ( apparantly not with his family), then good riddens.

I'm beginning to think Brain is "in the band" for contractual reasons only.

Or maybe this is nothing... argh, there's always something with Guns N' Roses.  :)

Praxis is (are?) awesome.
And I can't say that I'm overly worried about the two or three shows they play per year are going to cause a scheduling conflict.
But I do think that anyone who expects Brain to only play for GNR is going to be bitterly disappointed. 

We have Bucket Head on the album and Ron live.
Now we have Brain on the album and Frank live.
Who is next ?! ::)

One thing is Brain are out because he is a new father.
Other thing is he playing with Bucket Head at Vesggod festival.
He can play with BH but can't with GNR? whem they are kicking off a US tour that is lame..fuck that.



I'm beginning to think Brain is "in the band" for contractual reasons only.
Yeah sad but true.

Things like that brings to the Band a image of a hired- guns,is like give power to the haters. :rant:

Put it this way - if you took time off from your job for 'family reasons' and were then caught working for someone else, how long do you think it would take your current employers to fire your ass?

that's it! he reminded me of someone and now i know: john bonham!

maybe these shows were planned before the gnr tour was planned. im pretty sure axl would let him take care of his business, especially since he already has a capable drummer to back him up with

it was brain at inland invasion. Axl introduced him

Frank has a sound like Bonham???WTF! Umm, wow, Guns fans will latch onto anybody! Frank is ok, but he is no Adler, Sorum or Brain. Next thing, you will be saying that Stinson is Geddy Lee, Finck is Jimmy Page and Pitman is Rick Wakeman.
I think people are jumping the gun here. If Axl is cool with Brain taking time off, then who are we to question it?

Wow, some of you are assholes. You don't even know anything about the situation, yet you can talk shit about Brain all of a sudden BECAUSE HE PLAYED ONE SHOW WITH PEOPLE HE HAS PLAYED WITH A LOT LONGER THAN GN'R?? Who gives a shit? It's not a fucking world tour. Some of you are unbelievable and the shit you say is so uncalled for. Why do some of you people act like Brain is stabbing you in the back or fucking you over?? It has nothing to do with, so get over it.

Do you have to insult people like that, and then say that the 'shit' we all say is uncalled for?

What we know about the situation is:

a) Brain was supposedly not touring with GNR during this crucial North American jaunt because he wanted/needed to spend time with family
b) He just played a show elsewhere with Praxis

"It's not a fucking world tour" - a European tour was just played. An American tour is in progress. Australia is likely for January.

i think that was mentioned for the Praxis show..not the GNR tour.

Ah you're probably right. In which case, sorry - my mistake. I thought he was pointing out that Brain wasn't missing a GNR world tour.

Don't know if its been posted before:

"I thought I'd start a new thread on this topic because there have been so many rumors floating around about Brain's status in the band. I asked Merck about the issue. As many people have noticed, the GNR myspace site lists Frank as a band member - and there's no mention of Brain. So, I asked Merck if this means Brain has permanently left the band.

Here's his response:

"Both Brain and Frank are in the band. You will just see more of Frank at the
moment as Brain is still a new father.""

From: http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?s=625640db4a2a51e7a1fe2c397eb7f5b8&showtopic=82723

Or how about this, for an example , I work in restaurant's, come next week , I'll be working at two. TGI Fridays and Applebee's. Now strict code of conduct would be you cant work at a competing restaurant, right? Not the case, I'm only doing the TGI thing for 2 months during the busy season in NYC, to maximize my income, while retaining my "full time job" at Applebee's. And my employers are aware and cool with it.

 

I'm sure I'll get the 'hater' sticker for sayin' this but your example proves what the so called 'haters' or in reality the non-blinded-Axl-worshippers say. The restaurants will be doing good without you. If you are there, it's great, you work well and help them out. If you're not - then it's okay, they'll find someone else to do the job. Brain's presence is not essentail in the band and like you pointed out in your post: you and Brain are employees. Replecable and 'out-of-the-loop', other people decide the main things. No biggie, Brain can do a good job when he is on board, but the show can go on without him and nobody notice that he's not there, only a few Internet die-hards.

 

I'm sure I'll get the 'hater' sticker for sayin' this but your example proves what the so called 'haters' or in reality the non-blinded-Axl-worshippers say. The restaurants will be doing good without you. If you are there, it's great, you work well and help them out. If you're not - then it's okay, they'll find someone else to do the job. Brain's presence is not essentail in the band and like you pointed out in your post: you and Brain are employees. Replecable and 'out-of-the-loop', other people decide the main things. No biggie, Brain can do a good job when he is on board, but the show can go on without him and nobody notice that he's not there, only a few Internet die-hards.


Actually my point was that I am sure Axl , and GNR are not gonna hold it against him for doin stuff outside, see in my job Im only a waiter, and my job is to keep guest happy, Im not in management where if I worked for 2 companies that would be a serious ethical breach. BUt this is music, and Brain is a drummer, who has always been doin his thing, see this is why I would like to wait till CD comes out. I would find this only a problem if Brain is contributed to the writting process. And if so then there has to have been a clause or some agreement that would allow him to do anything outside GNR, while GNR are actually doin something. As for me, like I said Im just a waiter, basically a self contractor, people pay my salary not the "job".

sorry i gotta take issue with this:


now i could give a shit who the drum is - as long as it isnt that dick sorum - and if brain has left then all the better. a band with two drummers is ok, a band with two drummers of whom one is a substitute is pretty lame.
and to put brain on a pedestal as those true gunners who we wont see under the gnr banner is tantamount to blasphemy. my favourite estranged mate (in gnr terms) is izzy. or slash. or duff. or steven. not some drummer who is up bucketheads rear-end.

If you called in sick at one restaurant and then worked at another, if word got back to the first one, you'd be fired. That's all.

At this point in the game, I could care less. As long as Brain is the guy banging on the album, whoever they get to play the live gigs, I can live with. If Brain is in and then out and then in for one tour and out for another - no problems here. We should probably get used to this type of revolving door thing anyways

  that I agree with

to me it is pretty simple:

Brain should choose his priorities.
If he chose to stay at home with his family and that is fine with GNR = i think it is very cool
BUT if he chose to stay at homr and playing gigs with whomever instead (even if it is a one off gig) = something is wrong in pardise....

Sorry, but that is not thew way it should be

As long as GN'R are happy with this (thats if he is still in the band), thats fine with me, and should be fine with all of you.

For all we know, this show with Praxis could have been scheduled a long time ago. Also, playing 1 show that is like an hour from home (by plane) is a whole lot different than being on the road for months on end. If Axl's cool with it, why are some of you acting like such pricks? Just so you have something else to bitch and moan about? :'( :'( Cry me a river....

Seems to me his priorities ARE straight. Let's see, he chooses to stay at home with his wife and child- a child he helped create. Any decent parent knows, that first year is one you don't wanna miss. Ever think maybe he doesn't want to be gone for months on end, only to return home and have his kid not know who the fuck he is?Some things are more importnant than Guns N Fuckin Roses, and if you can't realize that, you need to get your head out of your ass and get back in touch with reality. For all we know, he could've had his family at this show with him. God forbid Brain agree to play a show with guys he's been friends with for 10+ years while he has time off. 1 weekend vs who knows how many months.

Obviously Axl knew about all of this all along, why else was Frank hired?

You dont know why he played the show last night or why he isnt on tour with gnr. Untill we are told STOP speculating, you're just going to make the situation alot worse then it could be/is.

This has to be the strangest thread title ever.

I was there, good show, Tom Petty rocked

i also would prefer brain to play with gn'r because he has such a uniqe drumming style which i find really interesting! and i agree that frank was off sometimes during europe when he first joined gn'r, but remember, he had TWO fuckin' soundchecks of practice before he was thrown to the lions. C'mon people, the man can play! AND he will get better and better for every show!

Like I said, if Brain plays with gnr when they hit Cali and Reno then all is forgiven but if he doesnt, then I wonder if the people claiming its ok are going to chance their tune. 

Fuck It, Frank Plays the YCBM intro louder any way.

Personally I think this is a positive thing. Maybe Axl and Buckethead have made peace and Axl knows how important Brain and Bucket's friendship is and he let him go to a few shows since Frank is capable of filling in. Feel the Love people!!!

I like brain, the best drummer IMO GNR has ever had.

But if he calls out  from GNR & plays with someone else, thats Moonlighting basicly.

we'll see if he plays more shows.

YEAH!

I think Frank suits the old material better. And he's better on better too ?:yes:

who the hell do you think you are .. axl? A member of gnr?  ::)

Brain played Vegoose and rocked Vegoose with Praxis. Why? Cause he has time off from GNR , it was a one off show with some of his best friends in a band that he's been a part of for many many years. It was a show that has been scheduled for quite some time and thankfully he was able to attend and indeed had the blessing of those who "pay the bills" ... lol

Everyday it seems you all are just looking for more AND more uneeded drama by looking too fucking deep into the most simple of situations. Whats next? Where does it end for some of you? This isnt the da vinci code ... it isnt some big whodunit mystery. It's a fucking rock band on tour about to release an album.

Brain is a member of GNR , right now he's getting some much deserved time off. But that doesnt mean he has to hide in house handcuffed to his newborn 24/7.

Besides , is WORSE came to worse .. gnr has a very capable drummer in frank who obviously is more then happy to be where he is.

p.s. , gnfnr2k (dave) ... I'll pass the message on to brain that if he drums with GNR in Cali and Reno that he will be "forgiven" by you personally. I'm sure that will get him motivated to jump right up there!  : ok:

"forgiven" .....  hahahahahahahaha  :rofl: classic.

and peace to those who live with a slight bit of sanity.  :peace:

we're not going to be told anything .. and why should we? It's none of our buisness. Atleast I dont feel it's any of mine. I'm sure I wont be emailing merck to ask whats up , unlike a bunch messageboard journalists we have here.

Back in the day if Slash wasn't on guitar for the first few shows people would ask why, man.

When Adler was out with the arm people knew why. Cinderella's drummer (or whoever it was) just didn't pop up behind the kit with no explanation.

That being said, I don't wanna know myself. Take a long long well deserved break Brain.

for the love of god .. just 2 days ago Mysteron posted a thread saying Brain has time off becuse of the newborn. Jarmo has posted the same and also Jarmo has posted that managment has TOLD him BOTH Frank and Brain are members of GNR. What more do people need , Brain to come to their house and change their diapers and tuck them in the crib just to prove he's really a father? Do they need a photocopy of his contract with GNR just to prove he's a really a member?

Brain played one show , a short 45 minute set , close to home , with some very close friends who he probably hardly ever see's these days in one of his first bands. Yeah , shame on you Mr.Mantia. Shame on you!

gnfnr2k might forgive him but I never will. Never ever ever.  ::)  Guns are ruined because of this. The sky is falling and all that jazz.

Since when does a band member need certain fans' approval of who they play with, when and where?




/jarmo

leave it alone people.
we are to early in to the tour to worry about this.
what's important is that we have a substitue, brain is still in the band, and the tour is still on (with only 2 shows rescheudled).

If brain doesnt play a single show before the album gets released than I'll be a little mad, but so far I think its as usual.

this only proves that the band could have played the 2004 RIR4, but there just wasnt enough will to do it, since everybody in the band can be replaced in a short notice, just as brain was replaced in just a few weeks time, and bumblefoot joined the band only 10 days before the may shows, so could have buckethead been replaced in 2004, with moths to spare, since he left the ?band 2-3 months prior to the show.


did anyone think of the possibility that the first 2 shows were rescheudled because of brain taking the time off?

but this isnt back i the day. and brain isnt steven, and he certainly isnt slash.

theres different strokes for different follks (particularly whereas drummrs are concerned) and the fact that brain isnt there really means fuck all. people are there (concerts) firstly for the tunes and secondly for axl. i'd be shocked if anyone bar brains mother returned their ticket because the drummer they wanted isnt playing.

Remember when the speculation started that Buckethead had left the band. ?Merck also said then the Buckethead was still in the band. ?Then look what happen. ?That is why there is so much uncertainity with Brain situation. ?It's the Buckethead situation all over again. ?Bottom line, I don't trust what Merck says unless it is in an official press release.

just for the record I think BBF joined the band much earlier then 10 days before the may shows and also that Frank has played/rehearsed with the band even before may shows.

about a month before the show some random guitar player said that he'd been auditioning for GNR.
so even if bbf joined the band sooner than 10 days before the show, it couldnt have been more than a month before.

in 2004 they had 2-3 months to get their act straight.

when I said much earlier I thought more of like 2005.  :P ...  :peace:

I didnt mean it like that man, what I meant was for everyone to stop speculating on everything. Its certainly no ones business besides Brain's and the rest of the bands why he isnt on the tour right now.

both Axl and Bumblefoot said that he joined only days before the hamerstein show.
+ there was the bumblefoot/management arguement in 2004.

that I 1000 % agree on, my comments were not any thing to take away from or try to speculate only relate, and it makes no damn sense to even try to worry about or care . And Im not even trying to go where some will think , bottom line its not our business and when I made a post that was miscontruied
as in my own thing , people want to put it out as there thing, not the case! 
Peaople chill , life will go on.

As someone had already pointed out to you, I was talking about the Praxis show. And I don't think calling people 'assholes' is really an insult. I didn't say "You stupid dumb fuck morons..." I do think and many others here, to call Brain a dickhead or a bitch or whatever they are calling him, is being an asshole because he played ONE SHOW!!  If he goes on a tour with Praxis or anyone else, then you people can talk all the shit you want about him. I just think it's a little unfair to GN'R's drummer, to be talked about negatively for playing a one off show with people he has been playing with for 10 years. That's all. If you took offense to that, I'm sorry. But maybe you should actually think through what has happened and realize it's NOT that big of a deal and shouldn't hurt your feelings that bad.  I'm just trying to stick up for Brain here, because after the guys been in the band for 6 years, you tend to start to be a fan of him. If I'm at fault for sticking up for a member of GN'R on a Guns N' Roses forum, please let me know...

I'm terribly sorry for the double post, but SAUL, you took the words right out of my mouth. I don't understand how people can take this as a personal attack on themselves because he played one show with Praxis. Now he has to "make it up" to people in some way or he'll never be forgiven. Give Brain a fucking break people. Not wanting to tour around the country and playing one show are completely different things. Although Brain is spending time with his family, he probably doesn't want to be stuck in the house ALL THE TIME and can go play a show every once in awhile with his friends if he wants to. HIS ENTIRE LIFE DOES NOT AND NEVER WILL REVOLVE AROUND GN'R.

I though Buckethead was on tour with That 1 Guy and Pinchface. Oh well...

EDIT: NEvermind, that tour ended today...

lets see...be a member of Guns N Roses or play with Buckethead in a meaningless band like Praxis.... looks like brain has been taking lessons from Steven Adler on how to flush your life down the toilet....i really hope Brain is still in the band, because he is an awesome drummer..and also stuck it out all these years while making the record.... once again to clarify I am NOT bashing on Brain...i just really want him in the band.....also to clarify..yes I was bashing on Adler.....

If that was intended as a joke, you forgot to include the punchline...

Transmutation (Mutatis Mutandis) till this day, is one of the greatest 'instrumental' albums ever made (and heralded as such) with drums provided by Brain. To clarify, yes you are bashing Brain when you refer to such an important aspect of his life as "meaningless". Not everybody has a mainstream driven definition of success in their lives.

-PEACE-

With very few exceptions, all these posts are embarassing.

Ignorant. Meaningless band like Praxis? Man .. theres so much talent in Praxis it's sickening. Sorry they arent into mainstream music.

anyways ,

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The fastest guitar to ever take the stage with GNR! The master!!
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The source of all the controversy!!
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those pictures just got me so excited, cause I'm seeing buckethead tonight, fuck yeah.

dude! write a review of the show and post it over at buckethead.tk!!! And if you snap some pics all the better! Have a great time friend , try and get yourself a toy during the toy giveaway!

I would get tons of pictures but it is at the house of blues and they are beyond strict with cameras from what I have expeienced so I doubt I'd even get one in there.

too bad , cause Bucket is supercool about audio and video recordings.

anyways , back on topic .. brain was spot on last nite and totally rocked.  : ok:

Wow, two ex-members of Guns N' Roses are on stage together! They can call themselves GN'R!  ;)

Tongue firmly planted in cheek...settle down

To call Praxis meaningless truly shows some ignorance; they may not be mainstream, but they've got more talent than the current GNR could ever hope to assemble in one spot. You've got two legends in Bernie Worrell and Bill Laswell, who have more creativity and productivity than GNR ever has, plus Brain, who's the most versatile GNR drummer they could hope to have, and Bucket, who as we know can do anything on guitar. Just because they're not popular doesn't make them meaningless. And why is Brain flushing his life down the toilet by playing with a band he's played in longer than GNR?

OK. Brain played with PRAXIS yesterday and some are happy and some unhappy about this. According to management & Dizzy he is still in GNR as Frank is. He is a new father and that is why he is away from this leg of NA tour. We might or we might not see him behind the drums. GNR are cool with that and respect his decision.

Isn't it a time to move on? There are already threads about your favourit drummer, guitar player and so on. This one doesn't need to turn into one. Especially not into GNR vs PRAXIS one...

While you got some good points, it's time to put the Buckethead glasses off. You and me might think that Mr. KFC is one of the greatest guitarplayers out there and has made some amazing music. However, most people, GN'R fans included, don't. It's not too difficult to imagine that the kind of music they make and the kind of impact they have feels like a waste to alot of people compared to being in a band like GN'R.

But enough of that. Just trying to merge the black and white a little.

Saul, great photos from yesterday...The 12 minutes or so they actually showed was outstanding!  I'm gonna hop on your site now and see if anyone has recorded it

Praxis and GNR are both amazing bands.  Keep it at that.  Maybe Brain lives in Vegas now?  No one knows, there's so many variables.  Doesn't necessarily mean he's out of the band.

this is in response to all these Praxis fanactics on a GNR MESSAGE BOARD...do you want to know why I called Praxis meaningless?? because they write crap songs...I hate bands like Praxis and Dream Theater who can play their asses off but have no feeling and not the slightest idea how to write a song..as Kurt Cobain has showed writing songs is more important being a phenomenal musician...what is the point if you dont have the creativity to back it up?? ?Sometimes you have incredible talent and the ability to write songs...for example ZakK Wylde owns Buckethead.... Zakk is a sick guitarist and has written some of the greatest epics in metal...(no more tears, mama im coming home etc...) ?you guys can call me ignorant all you want...but i still think Praxis is meaningless compared to GNR..and anyone who doesnt agree...why are you even here????? when Praxis writes a song that is as good as one of GNR's b sides, come talk to me.....

I feel sorry for you. Please don't tell anybody that you are GN'R fan.

 :rofl:

Lol, the only thing you do is holding your own taste in music as a fact to shamelessly discredit other music. Music is art and art is all about interpretation, emotion is a subjective internal experience; Just because you and your one-dimensional mainstream taste can't appreciate it, doesn't mean it isn't there or inferior to GNR. Stop complaining like a little girl about people who are merely responding to your provocative nonsense. Tone down the ignorance if you don't like people responding to you.

-PEACE-

let me know what username you signed up with and I'll approve your account right away.  : ok:

yeah

im not a huge praxis fan but i can recognise the great musical talent in evidence

for example look at the "1999 demos" and compare them to the "2002 demos"
it doesnt take a genius to see what buckethead has added to chinese democracy

praxis dont see writing a chart-topping success as the ultimate goal
theyre content just making the musical style they have
whether anyone likes it is down to personal taste

Zakk Wylde is meaningless compared to Buckethead.  :yes:

mygnrforum.com (madison)

When I asked Merck why Brain had time to play with Praxis and not GNR, he replied:

"There is a distinct difference between being on tour for 6 months and doing a
gig an hour away from home."

Agree. And i'm big Ozzy fan :peace:

I honestly cant believe she bothered Merck with something as trivial as this. wow.  ::)

Calm down, at least we know what happened.

its getting ridiculous how many people have started emailing the guy

leave it to the various admin from each forum to email him if its that important

we dont need everyone bothering the guy while hes sorting out a tour and album release

all this news does for me is make me further curious about what the mood was surrounding Bucket's departure, as he and Brain are supposedly close, i always wondered what it was like. just overly curious though.
and hey, if Izzy can get on stage with this band, then i think Brain can play a gig with Praxis. i think its cool the way the talent in GNR seems to respect eachother.

also, can someone help me out with info about Frank?
i don't know anything about him, never seen them with him. what has he done in the past? things like that. i assume there was discussion about him somewhere i missed. thanks.

Well, it's not like Merck has got alot to do these days. If he has, it certainly don't show. That e-mail being exhibit # 1.

Yeah , cause we didnt know what happened before she emailed Merck?  ::)  Did anyone really believe Brain had just up and quit GNR cause he did one show with Praxis? Wow. Just wow.

Some people just lack what is called COMMON SENSE. It's that simple. OUCH, I just cut my finger. I need to email Merck and see if I should use a band aid or not.

EDIT:  Polluxlm, If you think Merck isn't busy these days, you're crazy. Why because an album isn't out yet?? You don't think Merck is kept busy all the time by Axl?? GN'R are on tour right now, "but Merck isn't really busy these days." Who cares if he answered an email, maybe he did it to get people to SHUT THE FUCK UP about Brain playing one show with Praxis??

Fucking classic.  :rofl:


Exactly. Merck has shown to be VERY close to axl at all times. I'm sure with axl being on tour and constantly "on the go" poor ole Merck is one busy mofo.

I think if he really recorded all drums for the upcoming album he will be back when they start to play new songs after CD is released!

only if he gets paid a bucket full of money man.

I don't think it really has to do with that. He wants some family time right now and if he's ready to go on tour when the album is released, he will play. But if not, then he won't. He'll be back eventually though but I just don't see the release of the album being the determining factor, especially if it's in the next month or so.

I just hope his kid aint in junior high by the time the album is ready.  :hihi:

Just some humor people , just some humor.  :peace:

I loved the pics posted--Totally rock! As far as being "pissed off" at Brain, well gee I hope you got your little squirt off...if the dude got X amount of time for "matenity leave" he can do what the hell he wants. And if he wants to get off of the Axl Rose gravey train, what's your friggin problem, there's already a replacement in place!

same name...been a member there for a while now, but i normally post on the official site

cool cool

I am not? going to get into a pissing match with you since? that is what you are after. I am sorry if you cannot face the facts.? Fact is Brain is a member of guns n roses, if he took time off from gnr he should not be playing with another band, its that simple.? If he has time to being playing any shows it should be shows with guns n roses. That would you like? you calling in sick to work and going to work for another company. The fact is if Slash took time off from VR then started playing gigs with camp freddy I am sure you and others would get pissed off that he was doing that and not touring with VR.

As for frank being capaible the guy? sucks, im sorry, but he is not that good. The first few shows of the tour he has thrown the whole band off with his playing and they sound ouf of synch. I have listened to the youtubes and have talked? to people that have gone to the shows.

Dave your wrong.
Brain is a trade worker and took some time off from his main company. During his vacation he opts to do some SIDEWORK. What is so wrong with him doing  a show here and there by his home?

get a grip....

If GNr were touring in the Cali area Im sure he would have done those shows. You need to relax. He will be back. Im sure he ll be back by Jan....chill out

I could care less what any of the members of GNR or VR do or who they play with , when they play with them or why. None of these is any of my buisness. However , obviously Brain was given time off and obviously he isnt being made to stay under lock and key in his baby's bedroom. As stated by Merck , theres a ton of difference between playing a gig an hour from your home and being on the road with gnr for 6 months. Think about that.

If the BAND are cool with the deal us FANS should just get the hell over it.

As for Frank not being good? He is the bands choice , if you dont like his playing then dont go to the shows or download bootlegs. Simple as that.

Dave, the guy played a 45 minute set with some friends. That's all. Its not the end of the world. No one seems to have a problem with it.

as for Frank, the only negative reviews of him that I've heard have come from you, man ?:-\

I think you mean you could NOT care less  ::)
If im paying $90 to see gnr, I want to see gnr not some guy named Frank on drums. OH most people already booked flights and paid for tickets before anyone knew Brain was not going to be there.  And I think you are full of it that you would not be pissed. I ll do one better. If you went to see  a Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains show and already paid for tickets and BH took some time off for your show and a few others but decieded to do a solo show during that tour, you would be pissed. You can claim you would not all you want but you would be lying if you said you would not care.

I am not wrong. Like I said lets see if Brain does the gnr cali shows. If he doesnt then there is a huge problem. If Brain does not tour that means we now have TWO members on the album that are not touring. You dont think I should be upset after paying $90 for a ticket and not seeing two major members of the band? Also lets not forgot the BH thing a few years ago. He took time off away from gnr, started doing solo shows then up and quit right before RIO. Just think if the band didnt have Frank, they would have to had cancel the tour, and God knows you would be first in line to bitch about brain fucking up the tour by taking time off for gnr but had time to play a show with Praxis.

first of all I never said Praxis wasnt talented, I said they cant write a good song to save their lives..you call me mainstream, you know absolutley nothing about me , buckethead is MAINSTREAM!!! he is a gimmick and a shitty one at that..i was embarrassed when he was in GNR... ?dont tell people I am a GNR fan? I am just as big a fan as anyone on this board, and ill leave it at that, i am not going to get into a gay discussion about who the bigger GNR fans are..cause we are all fans... what does me not liking Praxis have to do with how big a GNR fan I am??? The reason i am pissed is because I want Brain in the band you morons!!!! ? and one more thing, Buckethead owns Zakk??? are you high? look buckethead is a great player, better than Zakk in fact, but what does that mean? he doesnt do anything with his talent....and I am still waiting for someone to name me ONE song by Praxis that is better than ONE GNR song....excluding My World of course.....

No , I meant what I said. I could care less. I actually care a small bit about it so I could cre less.


Most fans outside the fanboards dont even know the names of most members. And I'm sure they didnt buy their ticket solely based on Brain being the drummer. Fact is Brain isnt the drummer for the next few shows and that information is public , fans can find this out.

The simple fact is this ... you buy a ticket fine. But that doesnt mean the event is always gunna go as planned. I may buy a ticket to a sporting event to see a certain athlete , however said athlete could get injured before the game , no? Should I bitch and moan? Nah.

You are just doing your best to blow this out of proportion and be a drama queen about the situation when theres really nothing dramatic or dire about whats happening.

Your upset about GNR not having Brain , how about you use yours and realize this is how it is and will be for a short while and no amount of internet bitching will change what it is.

Geez.

You are not wrong?! You like to think everything you say is a fact or something? Who the fuck are you to tell us Frank is bad? Same with your bumblefoot comments lately: "He can't play TWAT, thats why they don't play it" You said something along those lines. I mean, where the fuck does that come from? Bumblefoot can handle TWAT just fucking fine. Stop making rediculous statements, your just assuming based on your own fucking ego. Sorry to say but your annoying the fuck out of me.

quote:dave-gnfr2k:
"Like I said lets see if Brain does the gnr cali shows. If he doesn't then there is a huge problem."

Give me a fucking break! What is the problem? Frank is an awesome drummer! Just like Bumblefoot is an awesome guitarist. Stop making a fool out of yourself. Now that is my opinion, so I try beeing nice in my response but I have a hard time with you acting all cocky (opinion, opinion).

Youngun', it is a little odd....I miss Big B. :-\ He just has presence. Ron looks like the guy working at the Jewish deli down the street. :rofl: He's a great guy though.

Saul here is what the offical guns n roses site says.

GN'R Reloaded
Frontman Axl Rose will be joined by rock 'n' roll all-stars including former Nine Inch Nails guitarist Robin Finck and former Primus drummer Brian Mantia for the U.S. tour.

It says NOTHING about Frank there now does it?

you guys are all silly, how do you know he doesn't have Axl's blessing? pffff settle down.

Seven Laws Of Woo owns some of the UYI filler.

However remember , two vastly different genres of music. It's like saying name a country , folk or gosphel song thats better then a GNR song. Apples and Oranges.

Know that Praxis writes some very music that really flows and is well written and very well performed.

look at the official myspace site. www.myspace.com/gunsnroses

There it says FRANK FERRER. Both official sites. Try living with it cause both are in the band.

Hmmmm ..... from gunsnroses.com ...

Rose and his new lineup -- guitarists Robin Finck, Richard Fortus and Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal, familiar keyboard players Dizzy Reed and Chris Pitman, bassist Tommy Stinson and drummer Frank Ferrer ?- tore through a more-than-two-hour set that included most of GN'R's classics plus a handful of eagerly anticipated new classics.

there was filler on the Illusions?? where? I never heard a song by GNR that i would consider filler...its all phenomenal

some of it's phenomenal, some of it sucks. ;D

And again , it's all opinion is it not. You think Zakk writes great music .. whereas I think most of his BLS material is utter garbage. Opinion.

Back on topic though ... OMG CANCEL THE TOUR GNR HAVE A DIFFERENT DRUMMER FOR A MONTH OR TWO , NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 ::)

First off Frank is an average drummer. LISTEN to him play. The band at sunrise was way out on synch, that all stems from the drummer. You really think that Frank is on the same level as Brain, Matt or even Adler? He isnt.

As for Ron. I was the FIRST people that said they should get him when they were looking to replace BH. Ask anyone that was in line for the first hammerstein show. I said I hope Ron is the new guy. A ton of people on the board were there. Me and Young Gunner were pumped when we saw it was Ron during WTTJ. ?I have NOTHING against the guy. I just said HE cant play TWAT and he cant. And that is why they stopped playing it. Have you even heard him play TWAT? He misses a TON of notes and doesnt play it right. Have you even see new gnr live yet? I saw them play TWAT live and it was a MESS live.

I think Ron is amazing and he did a good job for the first part of the tour after only having a few days to learn the songs. He is much improved since the hammerstein gigs. Look at my post history I am always defending Ron. HE just cant play TWAT right the few times he has.

And I am not making a fool of myself because I dont think Frank is GREAT and I dont think Ron can play TWAT good.
You need to get a grip. I am the biggest new gnr supporter on this board, ask anyone. ? I just dont care for what I have ?heard of Frank yet. I am sure he will improve but I want Brain on drums since he is the drummer on the album.

Myspace isnt shit and until a few weeks ago it still had the AFD line up on their site.
Gnr.com is the OFFICAL site of gnr. Myspace is not even offical that we know of.  Plus they have AFD songs up there and no new gnr songs. yeah that is a great site

Give the guy a break, he had TWO WEEKS to learn all the songs before playing them live (and GNR play a 2.5 hour set!). He missed quite a few notes at the first Hammerstein shows but hes got em spot on now.

He never played TWAT right and that is why axl took it off the set list. Because he didnt want the song sounded that messy before it was released on the album. Like I said I am a big Ron supporter god forbit I dont think he can play TWAT good yet. Also his KOHD needs some work since its lacking waht both Slash and BH did for theirs

Did Axl tell you that? ;D

Actually its what one of the band members told one of my friends who talked to him after one of the shows? : ok:

Nevermind the fact that axl sounded TERRIBLE (IMHO!) singing parts of TWAT at hammerstein. But yeah , axl just called me and said it's cause of bumblefoot that HE and HE alone took TWAT off the setlist. Yup. Thats it , exactly. Yes. Uh huh.

 ::)

truth is , theres nothing about TWAT that Ron Thal could NOT learn after a few attempts. Believe that.

Frank is capable of doing the job more then fine. Yes I've actually seen him live at Nijmegen replacing Brain as well. He is a great drummer who didn't even put one foot wrong. He's great.

Why can't Ron play TWAT? I listened to the boots. His solo's sound brilliant! What are you talking about? The only one who did have a little bit of a problem pulling the song of was Axl. A bit out of key at (madrid). But so what, it's a very hard song, no wonder he's strugling. I still think they all did a great job on TWAT. And bumblefoot sounded right on spot. Why do the state bumblefoot's playing as fact or reason the don't play TWAT as much? Where does that kinda information come from? Not from a source or something. You just made that one up yourself didn't you? It doesn't sound plausible at any means.

Don't forget that you don't know what TWAT sounds like, you've never heard it. You've only heard an old demo.

The guy missed a ton of notes that is all that matters and he didnt even play some of the solo. Robins parts live are just the same as they are on the demo. So that means that BHs parts are pretty much the same too. Ron played it badly. TWAT is not a good live song when you dont have time to practice it

Brain takes a break because of his new baby. He plays a show or 2 with Praxis and you guys are all up in arms because you think that Brain is quitting. It's a few shows close to where he lives, not in Puerto Rico.

When are people gonna realize that GNR is clearly two seperate entities? A lineup that recorded Chinese Democracy, and a lineup that tours.

Remove Frank, put in Humpty Dumpty. remove BBF, put in Pee Wee Herman.


It doesn't change a damn thing.

Well BH did the same thing so we have a reason to be weary of it. I could see Bill and Bucket talking Brain into quitting gnr.

Seeing as it is pretty clear at this point management or the band was the one who leaked the demos, I suspect those are awful close to how the final version is going to sound. Better and IRS live are awful close to the demo version, and there is no way they are playing a live version that is nothing like the album version.

I love TWAT, but the song sounds like a big mess live. Axl doesn't sound real good, Ron's guitar was off most of the time, and the song is probably best left for the studio.

WRONG. First: Robin plays the solo the same cause he wrote that solo so duh, it sounds mostly the same (yet there are differences, nuances, sure (but so what, it's live). Second: Robin's solo in TWAT is more melody oriented no? so that means less room for improvisation. Bucket\s parts are melodetic yes but contain more, lets say schredding at the end? Ron reproduces buckets main parts and bits, that can be heard on the demo greatly. Ofcourse it doesn't sound like Bucket, cause he ain't bucket. Doesnt mean he can't play it well. You know shit about guitars man. And you should refrain making comments about drummers as well. You ain't a musician are you?

Once Izzy quit, even the UYI touring lineup was totally different than the one featured on the two albums..

TWAT is gonna be like coma. A hard song to pull off live and make it sound just like the album version

You are not following. Ron MISSES the notes. I am not even going to get into anymore. You dont know what you are talking about. Ron is there to play BHs parts on the album, and he cant play TWAT, its that simple.? ?He didnt even play it well, that is the problem. I dont care if he changes it but play it good. He hasnt done it. Even Axl doesnt think the song sounded good live, that is why he took it off the set list and rarely plays it. Listen to the song live, Ron doesnt even attempt one of BHs solos he just forgets to play it or doesnt even bother to attempt it. And the BH solo outro is NOT going to change unless its not him anymore since BH quit gnr and never re did the solo

Amen to that.

I'm sure Ron is capable, but the only thing he's done in this band up to now is fucking up the classic solos of Nightrain, KOHD and TWAT etc.

No, you are not getting it. You get worked up in your own comments. You say Axl thinks the song sounded not so good live? Sure, that maybe could be a reason why they don't or rarely play it. We don't know do we? But you just assume Ron is the reason?? How do you know that?? C'mon man. The one who sounded not so good live on the boots we heard on TWAT was Axl. Except for the end scream which was awesome. Couldn't that be a, or the reason? The overall performance of the song? Hard on the vocals? Does that ring a bell to you? Sorry man but you are really a moron. I'm willing to happily take a minus karma for this insult towards you. Seen this discussion, you just got your head stuck up....well something?

 

some of the Illusions sucked?...blasphemy........anyway agree to disagree.........well apparently from what I heard Frank is a real good drummer, GNR seemed prepared for this...so I dont think they got a shitty replacement drummer...in any case hopefully the tour goes well and we see the album soon......

Im sure Ron can play it much better now since he has had time to practice but he couldnt play it at hammerstein when I saw them live. The Spain version was a little better I will give him that. I dont see what the problem is.


You are the one getting worked up not me.  I think Ron is amazing, I just dont think he played TWAT well live. Big deal. Like I said my friend told me the reason why they stopped playing it, he got it from one of the band members. The song sounds a miss live. Just listen to it and see what stands out as the biggest mess in the song. Its Rons outtro. It came from a BAND MEMBER what more do you want?

Dude.? What are you smoking?
Did you see the Germany show of Nightrain?? Likewise for KOHD? Ron kicks ass on those.? See him working up the fretboard at lightning speed!? He has a great sense for melody as well as shredding.?

Check that shit out on youtube then come and talk about him fucking things up.

This went from Brain not on tour to Thal playing TWAT mighty fast no?  ???

Why are you arguing about Ron not being able to play TWAY in a thread about Brain playing with Praxis?? Maybe you should start a thread about it?? And please don't speak for everyone saying that, "Anyone that paid money is going to be pissed if Brain isn't there and they have Frank on drums instead." Actually I'll be happy to see Guns N' Roses whether Brain is playing or not. 99% of the people at the shows won't even know the difference, so why would you say "EVERYONE" that paid money will be pissed?? YOU WILL BE PISSED, but not everyone. Now stop trying to be Brains mom and giving him rules he HAS to follow because he is in GN'R. I hope Brain plays 10 more shows with Praxis just so we can all see Dave sit here and complain about it for the next year. I think everyone should stop arguing with him and just let him be. It's not getting anywhere and most of the points he's making have no merit at all, so just ignore him and let him drive himself crazy over fucking nothing.

EDIT: And WHY EVEN ARGUE WITH DAVE OVER GUITAR PLAYING??  He's a guitar playing God I'm sure. Why doesn't Axl get this guy in the band?? Axl sure must be a dumb ass because Dave isn't in the band and he picked some shitty guy name Ron that can't even play the guitar right. Why don't they just stop playing altogether because they already took TWAT off the setlist because Ron doesn't know what he's doing. I'm going to send an email to Merck like every other fucker here and tell him to tell Axl that Dave should play lead guitar. Maybe Dave should sing as well?? Or play drums because Frank can't do the job either. God Axl, why have people play that Dave says can't play?? Axl doesn't know what the hell he's doing, does he Dave?? Maybe Dave should go re-write CD as well. Then we could have a PERFECT album for sure. Dave is never wrong and he can do everything perfect. Nobody is as good as him at ANYTHING!!!  I worship you Dave. You are a musical GOD. I love all the albums you have written and all of those live shows you play to thousands of people, I HAVE THEM ALL!!! Keep the great music coming Dave. You are my favorite and most perfect musician ever.

You right about me getting upset about your comments. Simply cause I can't see where your coming from. I've relistened to TWAT, you know: from 'nycbitchcommitee' for instance; youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKPVQhKhduc

And I keep getting toward the same conclusions: Ron is doing great on it live!  :D
And who cares about what a friend says to you, about what he supposebly heard from a bandmember? C'mon, hear-say-hear-say no? You've got ears yourself.

hey wait, I think I get you: You think Ron sucks on TWAT cause you heard from a friend that a bandember said that Ron sounded like a mess on TWAT, haha. Think for yourself man, not plausible.

You keep avoiding my sentences about that well...Axl (IMO) didn't exaclty sounded all that great on TWAT live? I don't hear you moaning about that? But yet you pick on the new bandmember without comments of substance. Yeah, you state as fact that some bandmember said something along those line to your friend. I mean, c'mon, you hold us for idiots? not working.  :D

amen to that!!!

right on dude. fucking amen. This is the first and the last time I got into a discussion with him.  : ok:

He never played TWAT right and that is why axl took it off the set list. Because he didnt want the song sounded that messy before it was released on the album. Like I said I am a big Ron supporter god forbit I dont think he can play TWAT good yet. Also his KOHD needs some work since its lacking waht both Slash and BH did for theirs

Don't forget that you don't know what TWAT sounds like, you've never heard it. You've only heard an old demo.


The guy missed a ton of notes that is all that matters and he didnt even play some of the solo. Robins parts live are just the same as they are on the demo. So that means that BHs parts are pretty much the same too. Ron played it badly. TWAT is not a good live song when you dont have time to practice it

WRONG. First: Robin plays the solo the same cause he wrote that solo so duh, it sounds mostly the same (yet there are differences, nuances, sure (but so what, it's live). Second: Robin's solo in TWAT is more melody oriented no? so that means less room for improvisation. Bucket\s parts are melodetic yes but contain more, lets say schredding at the end? Ron reproduces buckets main parts and bits, that can be heard on the demo greatly. Ofcourse it doesn't sound like Bucket, cause he ain't bucket. Doesnt mean he can't play it well. You know shit about guitars man. And you should refrain making comments about drummers as well. You ain't a musician are you?



You are not following. Ron MISSES the notes. I am not even going to get into anymore. You dont know what you are talking about. Ron is there to play BHs parts on the album, and he cant play TWAT, its that simple.   He didnt even play it well, that is the problem. I dont care if he changes it but play it good. He hasnt done it. Even Axl doesnt think the song sounded good live, that is why he took it off the set list and rarely plays it. Listen to the song live, Ron doesnt even attempt one of BHs solos he just forgets to play it or doesnt even bother to attempt it. And the BH solo outro is NOT going to change unless its not him anymore since BH quit gnr and never re did the solo

WOW, you seem to really have it down, and are the all know, TWAT  hasnt been taken off the set list cause of your claims . Remind me again how many times was TWat done live , , seriously, for you be so bold to make a sweeping statement about a member. Actually its kinda redundant and stupid to start arguing this, cause its so off the point of the thread.

So whatever keep arguing ! its pointless!

Dont try me started the Ron tangent. So blame him. ?And again why are you getting so pissy that I think its wrong for Brain to take time off from gnr yet play with another band while gnr is on tour. ?I think its wrong. I love how you can have your opinion that its ok yet I cant have mine that its wrong. You need to calm yourself down.

As for Ron AGAIN I said he cant play ONE SONG right and I dont like his KOHD song, that does not mean I think he sucks. check my post history, I always stick up for Ron and his playing. I think he is amazing, so once again you are WRONG. I also think this is funny as hell since I think wrong fucks up ONE SONG yet we have had 100s of posts about how Robin cant play the AFD songs to their likely. Get a grip.

As for Frank being average, I am not the only person with that opinion and even started a thread about his playing if people liked it or not and it go DELETED because there were too many people bashing Franks playing. Go figure ?: ok:

I have been to about 5 gnr shows and i have 100s of their live cds. I think I know if Frank can play or not. If you ranked the gnr drummers he would be dead last.

As for me being wrong. Again maybe I should add your name to my SIG with bookers name. You should read it sometime.

Just a little weed, but I'd sure like to try some of yours.

Yes, I've seen the Germany show, after I read all the praise. Can't really say I understand what all the fuzz is about. It's basically seemingly headless shredding. A few good spots are hit, but alot of them are also missed. Like I said, I'm sure he will improve, he's touching it, but as of now the grasp is a few step ahead..

Feel free too disagree.

Becareful before lennon and dont try me start bashing you for you thinking Ron doesnt play the solo well.

jazjme for the last time, please try and follow. One of my friends talked to one of the band members and asked about TWAT. That was the answer my friend was given. So I guess YOU and a few others on here know the reason they dont play?it much at all better than someone in the band. Gotcha

Dave that little threat about adding me to your sig, really scares me. Please don't do that. The last thing I want in this world is to have my name by any of your posts. But I am really scared. Will you be my mommy like your Brains mommy and come and hug me Dave... I'm scared.

EDIT: AND DAVE, I never bashed you. If you are really that sensitive about things that are said to you, don't fucking say anything then. AND HOW THE HELL DO YOU TAKE THINGS SO PERSONAL ON A MESSAGE BOARD THAT YOU ACTUALLY ADD PEOPLE TO YOUR SIG?? That's really fucking pathetic by the way.

I am not sensitive about anything. You just need to learn that because you think he plays its great does not mean he does and that others may not think its good.  You are going off and making chidish wise cracks because I said Ron cant play ONE song well. If anyone is overrreacting its you and a few others who are flying off the handle because I said Ron hasnt played twat well yet.

Dave, shut the fuck up! I started it?

sure,  :hihi: you can blame it on me for bringing up YOUR OWN silly comments you made about Ron and Frank lately. In my view those comments tied in perfectly with the comments of you in this thread about frank. You know what the tie in is: comments without substance or any logic sense. You can blame it all on yourself.  :D

And I'm not bashing you for your opinion soley, i'm discussing your point of view cause it doesn't have any substance. You prove that time after time!

And about the few insults I've made towards you in this thread: well I'll happily take the blame for those (if it means a minus karma, so be it.) But you've had it coming.

Were you even at the first hammerstein show? Because after it i talked to quite a few people and most of them commented how ron royally messed up the twat outro. You cant tell me listening to the youtube twat from NY that he nailed it. Like I said, he missed a tons of notes, didnt even play one of the solos, and the song didnt come off well live. So which one of those are not true? I just think its not funny you cant talk about this like an adult and you have to resort to name calling or swearing at me.

Read what I typed Dave... I never once said anything about Ron playing the solo great. NOT ONCE!! I haven't even listend to TWAT live after reading what you typed about it to give an opinion on it. I just think it's ridiculous to be talking shit about Frank's playing and Ron's playing. They are in the band for a reason. Nobody plays the solos perfect live compared to the studio versions we have. I think a lot of the solos sound different when played live. I don't expect Ron to be able to play Buckets guitar parts absolutely perfect. Buckethead has some big shoes to fill and I think you just need to give Ron a break. He's not the only one playing solos during the new songs different.

AND it's not really fair to be talking about the first time they played TWAT live. Ron had so many songs to learn in so little time and mistakes are going to be a given for the first show and probably for the first few shows. But as I said above, none of the new demo songs we have sound perfect live, from the vocals to the guitar playing. It's almost different each time they play the songs night after night.

jazjme for the last time, please try and follow. One of my friends talked to one of the band members and asked about TWAT. That was the answer my friend was given. So I guess YOU and a few others on here know the reason they dont play it much at all better than someone in the band. Gotcha


OK clear this up, cause now I am interested why this has gone on about Ron, when this thread is about  Brain? PJm me if ya want we can talk there. :beer:

Wait a minute? You are arguing about this and never even heard Ron play TWAT live? Wow. 
Also, you are really not reading my full posts. I said I dont care if ron changes the solo as long as he comes off well, and at hammerstein it didnt.  I even said I am sure he can do it now since he has had more time to practice.  Some of you love to do this and take one statement out of context and go off on a rant about it.  Why must this go in circles? Just start to read ALL OF WHAT I POST and maybe you wont fly off the handle.

So far from what I have heard from frank he does not impress me. And again Ron is amazing, i wanted him when they were looking for a guitar player when there were rumors about Batio being the guitar player. I was pumped when I saw Ron at hammerstein ask anyone from the boards that was around me. Killing Vector, Young Gunner, Elias they were all there near me for the show when we all saw it was Ron. So you should really get  your facts straight before you claim something

DAVE I HAVE HEARD TWAT LIVE SO MANY FUCKING TIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I SAID I HADN'T REALLY GIVEN IT A LISTEN SINCE I READ WHAT YOU TYPED, WHICH WAS 10 MINUTES AGO!!!!!  Now stop putting words in my mouth.  You're fucking nuts if you think I'm flying off the handle based on anything you have said or will ever say. I don't take shit people say on here to heart like some people. I'm not even saying you do, but a hell of a lot of people on here DO. Just like you, I have hundreds of GN'R shows. I have every one and some of them from 3 or 4 different sources. But who the hell cares how many shows a person has, that doesn't mean shit when it comes to knowing how someone plays.  And what did I claim?? I never claimed anything Dave. You are arguing with me because I made a broad SMART ASS comment towards you. I never said anything about Ron playing TWAT well. NOT ONE TIME.  Maybe you should be the one reading what I typed for once.

I'm not going to argue with you about something I never said and especially in a thread about Brain. I fell into your off-topic trap, RIGHT AFTER I TOLD PEOPLE WE SHOULD IGNORE YOUR ARGUMENTS. So that is my fault everyone and I'll take the blame. You can sit and talk shit about Ron playing TWAT AT HIS FIRST GN'R SHOW and I will sit back and read other threads. I thought the comments that I made about you "being the greatest musicain ever" were BIG ENOUGH CLUES for you to realize I was just being a complete fucking smart ass. Go listen to your "hundreds" of bootlegs and listen to all the NEW songs we have studio versions for. And then tell me all of the songs are played perfect live. THEY AREN'T. Let me know when you find one song played perfect NOTE FOR NOTE, because you won't be able to. So maybe the whole band sucks because NONE OF THEM play the new songs perfect note for note when compared to the studio demos we have?? Maybe Axl sucks because he has off nights every once in awhile?? Too bad we don't have a band that can play EVERYTHING perfect.  It's not like these guys are human, so they aren't allowed to make mistakes. AND BRAIN ISN'T ALLOWED TO PLAY WITH PRAXIS FOR ONE SHOW IF HE ISN'T TOURING WITH GN'R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You made a smart ass comment to try and get me worked up yet you are the one gettting worked up. I guess that backfired eh? Instead of making wise ass comments how about make points about what we were disussion, you might not get so upset. No one has to be a great musician to know Ron butchered the TWAT solo.  Everyone knows it, just listen to it, you will see he totally skipped one part of the solo and the other he missed half of the notes.  I also stated the reason why its rarely played live, is bc axl doesnt want the song being played if they cant make it sound good live. That came from a band member.  Also, as for Brain again. Like I said I dont think he should playing with any other band if he took time off from touring with gnr. I dont see why you even care, its called an OPINION just because it differs from yours or anyone else doesnt mean you or they should fly off the handle and start with the trolling.

Oh, you guys. So much repressed homosexual passion. Just slap each other like Cher and Nic Cage and get it over with - you know you love each other!  :-*

 :hihi:

Seriously though, in five years neither of you are going to remember this and it's probably not going to matter to anyone, so if I were you I'd just agree to disagree.  :yes: