Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Band Members   Axl Rose, Robin Finck, Tommy Stinson, Dizzy Reed, Bumblefoot, Chris Pitman, Richard Fortus, Frank Ferrer

Sorry if this was already posted.

That sucks... I just started to like Brain...

hmm..weird.. :-\

brian was a cool t.h.u.g  :'(

I hope they don't re-record CD w/Frank!

NO MORE MEMBERS!!!!!!!

BRING BACK ADLER!!!

You and I both.

I actually think its cool that GnR has a huge black guy in the band now.  :peace:

Ok everyone. ?Sit back and wait to hear from the Axl. ?This WILL be the excuse for Chinese Democracy not being released this year. ?Mark my words.

brriiiaaannnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!! ?:'( :'( :'( :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :o :o :( :-[ :-[

 :'( :no:

^thats how i feel right now.

lol, well since you put it that way...lol, yeah, Franks a good drummer, it's hard to see who's playin drums anyways, lol

 :rofl: As if he could even handle it now.

If this is true I really do wonder what happened now. :nervous:

Yeah...because it matters what race the guy is.

I think Frank is cool and I like his drumming more than Brain's. But Brain is also great.

Slash was half black was he not?

Fuck off with the racial comments. It doesn't matter at all.

Frank is the drummer and he seems like a great guy - I say we welcome him with open arms to the family!

Yes...welcome to hell, Frank.

so much for a yawn.

So, will this "take the drumming on CD to a new level"?

this coulda been mentioned in one of the other threads about brain without having to start a new one.

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i'm glad brain is gone. gnr is no place for people with stupid names.

I can see it now:

"Well, we were all ready to put out Chinese Democracy at the end of 2006, but then our drummer up and quit on us.  We were so busy making sure that our new drummer was going to be able to live up to our high standards that we forgot to release the album."

Was? Did he die?

Yes, he is half black as if that matters. ?

Good point, Philspectorshotme

hope its not true after all those years of recording to quit the band ?

Yup. No more stupid names. Let's stick with the classics like Axl, Slash, Izzy, and Duff.

Bah ha ha ha ha ha


Don't forget Bumblefoot.

 

And by the way, in case some of you missed my earlier posts on this thread: Mark my words, this WILL be the excuse for Chinese Democracy not being released this year.

Buckethead, Gilby, Dizzy...

I wonder if Jarmo is getting sick of having to constantly change those little sillouettes at the top of the site?

Paging, Mysteron. Didn't he just clear this up a few hours ago?

IF and thats a big IF , Brain is out I say bring back Adler. Quit cutting down Steven. I know we all (well most of us) love the new band, but we have to remember the history. I saw Adler last year and his drumming was pretty kick ass.

FRANK ROCKS TOPS!!! This is so cool. Frank can play Brownstone and YCBM the way they were supposed to be! Best news in a long time. :)

Well, then someone is wrong. Why would GN'R's OFFICIAL Myspace page list Frank as a member and make no mention of Brain whatsoever? It doesn't list Frank as a touring member, it lists him as a flat out band member.

He did say he was still in the band. But do you really think he is going to tell the truth about what's going on to the HTGTH message board if we aren't supposed to know something one way or another?

It is time. They've all completed their training and are ready to be unleashed. But... is the world ready for "Velvet Revolving Doors N' Roses"?


Seriously though, another departure would be a media nightmare. Even if a member were to say that they left on good terms, no one would hear it. It would just look like a band that can't keep their house in order. I'm pulling for Mister Ron's optimism.

Neither are as good as Matt Sorum

 ::)  :no:

i for one don't miss the 10 minute drum solos..

but on topic, Frank is a top notch drummer, he does the job well.    I would predict he is the drummer for this leg of the tour and thats why he's listed on myspace.   Management says Brain is still in the band and that Frank is also in the band.   

Screenshot for the interested:

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f333/thewildheart/gnrmyspace.jpg)

Well, Sorum is no Adler ( don't start with the lame drug jokes either, please) so, now that Adler and Axl (apparently) have made the peace, comeon Axl, give Stevie a call!

so, he can be the security guard too!

No, but if he wasn't in a position to confirm or deny it he'd likely not say anything.

Even if Frank is the new drummer, he's great so its all good. He kicked ass at Nijmegen.

no fuck that.  enough of the nostalgia.   We have Izzy popping in from time to time and thats great and does more then enough for the fans who want nostalgia. 

Lets have this lineup stand on their own.  No ex members.  Besides Izzy.

If brian really is gone then bring in Adler, please please please,
Adler + Pitman= badassness

haha

he is a big fucker though. weighs like god damn 250 punds from what it looks like

http://lundissimo.info/imgs/rockcandy/030402/pages/RC-19.htm

Frank is way more comptent on the drums than Adler anyways.

Check out the UK DVD by GNROSAS.   

If Brain never comes back that will suck :(  But Frank is cool too.  :peace:

No, not to most, but it certainly matters what look he's got. And being big and black, I would say brings a certain look.

Does anyone  think that the myspace page is going to be leading the way in exposing double-secret GNR backstage politics?

How about the official site? "Frontman Axl Rose will be joined by rock 'n' roll all-stars including former Nine Inch Nails guitarist Robin Finck and former Primus drummer Brian Mantia for the U.S. tour" Oooooh, dueling websources!

http://web.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061025&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp


Rose and his new lineup -- guitarists Robin Finck, Richard Fortus and Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal, familiar keyboard players Dizzy Reed and Chris Pitman, bassist Tommy Stinson and drummer Frank Ferrer ?- tore through a more-than-two-hour set that included most of GN'R's classics plus a handful of eagerly anticipated new classics.

THIS GUY? Are you sure about that?

(http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9345/stevenadler01wm0.jpg)

If Adler joins the band, he's going to have to wear the remedial toque. Ron had to wear it. Steven has to wear it. Until that hair is either corrected or grown out to an acceptable length, it's gotta be out of sight, out of mind.

Hey, I didn't say anything racist... since when is stating that is is "cool" that GnR has a black guy in the band racist. I think Frank is a good drummer... I like Brain though, and hope he isn't out.

Was thinking the same thing myself. Why go to Tom Clancy and Dan Brown when we have all we need in this band. A movie just has to be made about all of this.

Yes, that's a write-up of a show. Frank played the drums, so he gets credited. It wouldn't make much sense to insist that Brain played that night, would it?

The worst thing about Brain leaving would be that when CD drops, at least 2 playing members will already have left (Buckethead and himself, if it turns out to be true), which reviewers will jump on and do nothing for the band's credibility.

Rose and his new lineup -- guitarists Robin Finck, Richard Fortus and Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal, familiar keyboard players Dizzy Reed and Chris Pitman, bassist Tommy Stinson and drummer Frank Ferrer

Sounds to me like its crediting Frank as a full-fledged band member..

ROFL :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Maybe The Stones got an open spot for him. Certainly got the look.

don't you realize the core of this lineup anyways is Axl/Robin/Tommy/Dizzy?   Most of these songs we've heard so far were probably written before Fortus, Brain, and definitely Bumblefoot were even in the picture.   Those 4 have been working on this for almost a decade.   

And why not write 'and drummer Frank Ferrer filling in for Brain Mantia who recently became a father' and spare any confusion if that's the case?

He is a member of GNR.   

Maybe he decided to leave a while ago, perhaps during or before Europe, so they got Frank, and Brain continued with the band until Frank knew all the songs, etc...?

Yawn.  :P

Exactly - but it makes no mention that he's filling in for Brain.

So logically, one would have to assume that Brain = out and Frank = in.

Also - this is my 1,000th post - only took me 4 years!  :o

Were people in here fans of the original lineup? What is with the hate for Adler?
Call me crazy but I think Brain will be back. Unless his "contract" is up. As we know most bands have their members on contract so it is possible that Brain has decided to not renew his ::)

Why explain it every time Frank's name comes up?
Brain has more important things to attend to right now, therefore Frank is GNR's official, bona fide, genuine drummer. When Brain comes back the situation would presumably change.

It's not standard procedure to go out of your way to notify the public when an "understudy" is filling in for a regular performer in any sphere of entertainment. KTHXBYE. 

been a fan of the original line up.. but bringing in someone that is battling problems with addiction (same reason he was kicked out) is not healthy for him... or the band... did you ever think about that?

Using your way of thinking, there's also no reason why they couldn't announce that Frank is filling in for Brain while he takes some time off with his newborn, if that's the case.

In all seriousness, the main reason not to keep mentioning it is to prevent fueling this type of rampant speculation. I'm sure it would only be worse if they had to keep saying "Oh, Brain isn't touring with us right now," and it would be thoroughly disrespectful to Frank to say "but this guy is keeping Brain's seat warm until he returns."

If Frank has been hired to temporarily fill in for Brain, why would it be insulting to say so?

And isn't it more disrespectful to Brain to refer to his 'stand in' as an official member if that's not the case?

Because it marks him as a second-class bandmember. It's like saying "Here's our wonderful drummer Frank, who wouldn't be with us tonight if Brain was here."

Frank being Brain's cover is probably not a temporary thing anyway, I don't think they're going to be calling on other drummers to fill-in when Brain isn't around. Hence, Frank is in the band and it shouldn't be a big surprise when he's behind the kit.

Don't forget...Axl referred to Frank as "our newest addition" the other night. That screams new band member to me.

And you know that Steve is still going through that because......? Maybe he is ok now.
I was saying that if Brain, HAD to be replaced, I would prefer Adler.

He is the newest band member, as far as we know.

just something i kinda noticed from watching some of the european gigs

when frank is behind the kit, richard and robin seem to spend more time next to the drumkit.   Maybe the chemistry is a little better.

Brain is my very favorite drummer tho and I hope to see him back sometime.

Well, Frank and Richard were both in Love Spit Love. And the Psychedelic Furs.

So calling an understudy in a play an understudy and not a star of equal calibre would be insulting too? Stand in members are not 'in the band', they're stand in members. That's crap dude, Axl more than once referred to Frank during the European tour as 'filling in for Brain' during the band intros. If this was still the case Frank would have to be an oversensitive pussy who didn't know what he'd been hired to do, to be insulted by being called a stand in member. Something tells me this isn't the case. ?:peace:

You're right, it isn't the case. Because Brain is unavailable for (presumably) an extended period of time. Knowing this, the band cunningly made Frank a  member of the band so that they'd, you know, have a drummer at these shows.

What's the difference between being an understudy and an actual band member? You decide.

An understudy is immediately replaced when the actual band member is fit & well/able to resume duties. I'd think the difference was pretty damn clear.

No-one's arguing that point :p
I think that, in this case, the correct answer is "fat pay raise."

I like Frank.  Brain always seemed shady IMO with him and bucket being pals and all.

how does being pals with bucket make him shady?

he didn't leave when bucket left, he stayed loyal to the project.   And I really think his loyalty is still there, he just wants to spend some time with the family.

That's something to worry about.  ::)
Could you worry twice as hard? Because I can't be bothered.

I love the fans that are lurking in the corners with the long knives drawn, waiting for the signal to strike.

oh well, big deal so what gnr lost another drummer who they conveniently had a minute man replacement for.... lets just hope he wasn't close enough to anyone in the band to start a chain reaction of members leaving like that shit that happened back in the day

Adler said he wouldn't come back unless it was The Five, but come on... GNR needs you Steven!

I like Frank purely because when I saw the band (and they actually had some of the big screen cameras on the drums for once), Frank was smiling and actually seemed to be having a great time and enjoying being there, which translated to the crowd. And honestly, maybe drummers can tell the difference but hearing the two, I can't.

If asked, IMO Adler would be back in 1 second for the money alone.
With that said, I highly doubt he'd be asked by Axl, even if they are now on better terms

I saw that too, he looks like he's enjoying the fuck out of playing, brain seems to always have a straight look on his face like its just a job.  Him and Fortus are buds? even the better.  My two favorite non Pittman Members right there. 

Not since Adler has a Drummer smiled so much in GNR

So, it doesn't matter who is in the band at all to people here.
Guns N' Roses is not a band.
The fact that people are fine with this change shows just how whipped people here are.

Normal bands can't just change members every ten minutes, with the fans saying "welcome aboard!"

If Brain was a member of the band, he shouldn't just be given the "see ya later!" treatment.

I'm sorry, but this really is starting to feel like the Axl Rose + Band show. I thought the new band could be Guns N' Roses, but it's pretty hard to call them that when you don't even know who's in the band anymore...
This is the 4th lineup since the bands live debut in 2001.

And now that's 2 musicians on Chinese Democracy who aren't in the band anymore.

Let's see if the "10 Tuesdays Left in the year" or whatever it was holds true now...

Bring back Adler and Izzy.

Pitch Fortus and Tommy (keep him around if needed) and Pittman.

What other major  bands besides Guns have members on contract? Not many , though it would be fun to read something like: "Velvet Revolver are proud to announce the signing of Slash to an exclusive ten year deal"

who knows how accurate this is??


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Frank Ferrer is an American rock drummer and session musician. On October 24, 2006, he became an official touring member of Guns N' Roses. According to band management, both Ferrer and drummer Bryan Mantia are official members of the band. Ferrer is also a member of The Psychedelic Furs, as well as, a former member of Love Spit Love. He has recorded and worked with several high profile musicians including The Beautiful, Robi Draco Rosa, and Sarah Clifford

C'mon Danny, so you think you're words were so special that they need to be repeated?? ?They were ridiculous the first time you posted them and now have become pathetic.

If Bumblefoot joining the band did not change anything than Brain leaving, if indeed he has, will not affect the release of the cd.

But, drama queens will be drama queens and you have been just that over the past fews year.......GNR's message board drama queen.

Amen Z  : ok:


As for adler...that junkie was wiped and flushed a long time ago.


It's pretty easy for me to see that both Frank and Brain are in the band.  I'm suprised (well, not really I guess) that some of you haven't put 2 and 2 together.  There's a reason why the RS article wasn't allowed to be mentioned here, there's a reason why the Harley add was pulled, there's a reason why there's been no press release yet, even though a major tour just started.  All of those things are tied to one simple reason:  Respect.  Connect that dots on who and what is trying to be respected.      I'll leave it at that, but I can't believe some of you are so dense. 

I can't wait for your return Brain, some of us get it, I look forward to seeing you rock the house soon.

Credibility?? ?What does credibilty have to do with rock 'n' roll? ?Not one fucking thing!!

The music will speak for itself. ?If cd turns out to be as good as most of us around here feel it will be than it will not matter who the current drummer is.

New fans or returning fans will not hear new music on the radio, love it, then go "Well, who's the drummer?" ?"Oh man there was a guy named Brain who was the drummer but now it's some guy named Frank?!?!?" ?"Aw shucks, this new tune "Better' lost like all credibility 'n' stuff."

Last I heard, jarmo reported that BOTH were in the band and that Brain is absent due to being a new father.

Any of you "know it alls" know whether or not some of the new music may feature 2 drummers in one song?? ?Is it possible that someday they would have 2 drummers on the stage at one time??

Stop whining like little boy band fans. ?I'm sure Ashley Parker Angel has a message board you could roam.

If I remember correctly, the last official word from management was that both Brain and Frank are in the band.  Until I hear otherwise, I'm not getting too worked up over "Brain's in / Brain's out..." rumors.  Enough is enough.

EXACTLY.


How about some appreciation for the responses we now receive from band management regarding the constant rumors that pop up around here?


Until further notice, they are both in the band per jarmo via GNR management.

i dont care who plays on the damn thing anymore....just put it out!!!!

I honestly don't think Brain is permanently REPLACED with Frank. Why would Merck lie and say Brain was still a member if indeed he was gone for good??  He wouldn't. There would be no benefit from it and if Brain did decide to quit the band for good, he wouldn't want people still lying and saying he was part of GN'R. He just had a child and I'm sure he wants some time away from music to spend with his wife and kid. I don't think that's so hard to believe. He's a great fucking drummer and I'm happy he'll be on the album but it's good to have Frank on board for the tour. BTW, if Adler came back to GN'R, it would automatically cut my love for this band in half. I can't stand the guy and there is no way he could handle the job these days. Thank God Axl would NEVER allow that to happen either.

As long as the guitarists don't change anymore and Tommy stays in the band, I'll be happy. This band seems like a BAND now and I would hate for it to ever change anymore than it has. Losing Brain temporarily isn't that big of a deal. He'll be back in the mix in a few months I bet or he'll be ready to tour in early 2007 if "everything" goes as planned up until then.

Agreed.

BLS - off-topic, but just caught a glimpse of that signature...absolutely badass

Fuck Brain and Buckethead...let's move on folks...and Steven Adler, he's lucky to still be breathing, half his face is paralyzed from all the shit he has smoked and shot up...

The new story about the tour on the GNR homepage referred to the band as Axl Rose and his latest cast of all-star musicians. I think that "this is a band" ship sailed long ago, as management aren't even playing that angle anymore. It is pretty clear GNR consists of Axl, and whoever shows up on a given night to play behind him. Which is fine, because he is the only reason there is any interest in this project anyway.

I agree, Adler would be hugely out of place now. But let's not forget Brain's departure is far from official, and actively denied despite the myspace thing.

Sounds like Brain has quit to spend time with his family. I don't think he's coming back if they have completely erased him from the MySpace.

Frank is listed on myspace just incase some people decide to look at the page to see who is in the band. ?When/If Brain comes back then his name will be listed. ?That is how I see it.

Why would it really matter even if it was the new stuff? Gilby and Sorum replaced Izzy and Adler on the Illusions tour and nobody seemed to lose their mind about it.

Bumble does a fine job of playing Bucket's parts from the new CD songs, and I am sure Frank plays Brain's parts fine as well.

The only part of any song new or old that can't be replaced is Axl's voice. Hence, if he shows up to the gigs it doesn't really matter who is behind him.

Okay tough guy ?::)

If credibilty had anything to do with music than Michael Jackson would have no supporters. ?Nickeback would not be able to continue to sell records. ?Jet would have been an afterthought after their first album.

If Better becomes a hit, the album will sell. ?If The Blues is the second single.....and is a hit....than more records will sell.

The 2 drummer thing was based on nothing specific. ?Pittman plays the part of a 4th guitar on Rocket Queen so anything's possible with what cd will bring.

If this new GNR world bothers you so much, go fly fly off somewhere else.

Reviewers won't make or break the cd, the music will. ?And if the record is as good as I believe it will be based on what we've heard so far and Bach's description of "Sorry", it won't matter who's in the band.

Contraband was a success and I didn't read one good review. ?Scott Weiland was arrested countless times for drug offense. ?He even went to rehab. ?Credibility huh??

I'm saying that if the Chinese Democracy songs are written by/with Robin, Tommy, Richard and Brain then it's strange for the band not to present itself as a band, but rather a vehicle for Axl Rose.

If these guys had nothing to do with the songs and were just there to play them live then I could see the whole 'all-star lineup supporting Axl' angle.

Yes, I agree Bumblefoot is great. And Axl is the only genuinely irreplaceable member.

I wonder who's going to be next to leave?  Probably Robin.

Hopefully you will.

The funny thing is if jarmo wasn't sleeping this worthless thread would be locked.

Both are still in the band.

To be fair, Chinese Democracy has already had so many musicians come and go, that one more will hardly affect the critics' perceptions of it. I read somewhere that they've had a total of over 30 different musicians (Beltrami being one of them) collaborate on this thing. It's a big, sprawling epic and Axl is at its core. Finck left for a while, which people tend to forget. He went back to Nine Inch Nails, which Axl discussed in the Loder interview. He came back for the '02 tour. Paul Huge was also part of the band until 2001 or 2002.

I think the only people who have been in this band from start to finish of the CD recording process have been Axl, Dizzy, and Tommy. And that all depends on which point in time you're taking into consideration, since Duff didn't leave the band until 1997 and GN'R had actually been recording stuff then. I think Tommy was brought in as bassist after Duff but I don't know how much of a lapse of time there was.

Will make a very interesting " Behind the Scenes" once the dust has settled. The making of CD is as intriguing as anything.  :yes:

The demos of IRS from two different years (I think 1999 and 2002?) leads me to think that the whole thing may have begun rerecording with the then-current lineup around 2002. You know, why would they demo it again unless they planned to rerecord it. Just speculation, but I think a lot of people would be surprised if Paul Huge and those folks were still on the disc. The band must have been doing something in the studio all those years. Mustn't they? :nervous:

Look man.  I'm not trying to be a dick about this situation.  Signs are seriously starting to point to Brain being out.  I know it could very well be untrue, but is it that hard to believe?  I love this band in it's current line-up.  I loved it in it's 2002 line-up even more, but I still love what we've got right now.  My "Robin" comment was me just expressing my frustration with all of this.  When Axl's new GNR first started up, the 3 new members I was most excited about were Buckethead, Brain, and Robin.  I was a fan of all three before they even became a part of GNR.  This situation really sucks.  I still plan on seeing the band on Dec 2nd (if the tour lasts that long) but come on.  Look at the track record here.  I seriously beleive that CD will not be released this year and I seriously beleive we'll get some BS statement thaat Brain leaving has something to do with it. 

is the gnr myspace official? i highly doubt it

listen this is NOT GUNS N ROSES..its the AXL ROSE SOLO PROJECT...who cares who else is in the band.....cuz guns n roses is axl rose, slash, duff and izzy stradlin..............

Actually, Axl started Guns before Slash or Duff were in the band!     ;)

I honestly think that last sentence in your post is something that some of us have in mind as a worst case scenario at this point in time, and I think it's just a case of some trying to remain optimistic, while perhaps rationalizing a tad.  Another press release from Axl stating that a member's departure will bring recording to the next level is something that is a dreaded proposition at this point, and while history may indicate that this is not as far-fetched as some may believe, I think it's best to simply see this through to the end of the year, and then assess where we end up.

Man, if I had a penny for every friend I've explained that to...

That's your M.O. Danny......always has been.  Not much has come out of you over the past fews years on this board that has been positive.

Per jarmo it's NOT true.  No need for the drama at this time.

Danny......if your negative way of thinking were true, then Brain leaving (and again, not true at THIS time), would have affected the start of this tour.  If Brain leaving were so disruptive to the degree that it would delay the release of CD then common sense would tell you that it would delay the tour.

Buckethead leaving was a big deal.  That's why they could not play Rock in Rio.  Brain, if he leaves, will not be that big of a deal.  Frank has already shown that he can more than hold his own on drums.

Now Robin leaving would be a big deal.

I think that past history with this new version of GNR, many of you can't beleive that this is actually gonna happen.  All signs point to CD actually being released.  Finally, it's going to happen.  Relax already and enjoy the ride.

The tour was delayed. The first two shows were moved. An official reason was never given. Do you know something we don't?

And 'relax and enjoy the ride' is officially more tired than 'CD starts.....'

Funny, I never saw "relax and enjoy the ride" on here before.

I thought that the tour was delayed, then first 2 shows were cancelled, to give Axl more time to get CD ready.? Wasn't that the announcement??

Do you not believe what they are saying???

Do I know something you don't?? I don't know.? Maybe.? There are recent GNR occurences that show that CD is heading to the production line any day now but we are not allowed to talk about that per jarmo.? So, maybe I do know something you don't.? But if you do know about that stuff then you, if sensible, would be able to sit back and enjoy the ride.

Again, BRAIN IS STILL A CURRENT M-E-M-B-E-R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The 'Axl needing more time to finish the CD' thing was quote from a Florida promoter in a news article, not an official press release from management.

Brain is a current member....read the title of this thread. Frank is the drummer according to GN'R's Myspace

Oh and do a search for 'enjoy the ride'.

Look.  I want to "relax and enjoy the ride".  I really, really do.  I have tickets to my 5th GNR show, and IF CD comes out, I will be taking the day off work to listen to it constantly.  But I just don't see how a rational person can not look at this with some skepticality.  This is a band that dissappears for years at a time.  A band that cancels apperances at major festivals months in advance because a 3rd guitarist has quit.  A band that cancels entire tours because they didn't know their manager scheduled them.  A band that doesn't show up on the opening night of major tours.  A band that cancels shows with no explanation whatsoever.  And most importantly, a band that has been putting finishing touches on an album for many, many, MANY years.  How can we not think the worse?  How can you relax and enjoy the ride when the ride feels like Space Mountain on Oxi-Cotin?

Some of you lot are gluttons for punishment.  ;D  Seriously, this is possibly the most exciting time to be a GNR fan in many a long year, and yet still some people have to go looking for intrigue, drama and worst-case scenarios.  We certainly are an odd bunch!

from cd.com: http://www.chinesedemocracy.com/viewtopic.php?t=20020

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People may not like it- but Dizzy's message puts it out there for all to see.

One member has decided to put his family first at an important time- band/mgmt. says- "No problem. You're still in if and when you get back." Classy move.

The guy who replaces him- has to step up and man the kit during arguably GN'R's most important tour ever and follow the rather large footsteps of Adler, Sorum, Mantia- and the band says- "Dude- we're not putting you through this as an 'understudy'- welcome aboard- you're one of us." Another classy move.

So... let's let Brain go do his thing.... and get behind Frank. : ok:

OH NO!!! PLEASE SAY IT ISN'T SO :-( :-( :-( NOOO!!!! PLS NOO!!!!  :'( :'( :'(

That's cool, thanks for posting. Clears a lot up.  :yes: So its probably safe to say that it's Frank for at least the near future, and almost certainly for the rest of the US tour, but Brain isn't officially out.

Just in time for Halloween.....Guns N' Roses announces its drummer is......FRANKN'BRAIN!!!  :o

(Ok, I'm probably the only one who'll find that funny)

Not quite, it made me laugh - we must have the same warped sense of humour!  ;D  Just wait 'till he comes onstage in fishnets and suspenders.  BTW, is it possible to play the drums in stilettos?   :hihi:

I think its good that Brain wants to spend time with his family, he deserves it.  I think family is much more important than GNR.  His baby was just born, he should watch it grow.

Meanwhile, good luck to Frank.  From what i've heard, he plays the songs pretty well.

You know, when you have a kid it is kind of important to be around them when they're still a newborn, you know, the whole getting to you thing, and wanting to be a part of your childs life, instead of spending a lot of time away from it....and I might be going out on a limb here, but his kid and his lady might mean more to him than anything else. I wouldn't be surprised if he took a year off to be with them.

Amen.  Now let's get back to the tour and the upcoming album.  Best to both Frank and Brain, and to GnR's continued success as the release date approaches...

Very intelligent post,  : ok:

I've seen the band with Brain and Frank, and both times were equally as enjoyable.  The fact that Frank was around as an understudy suggests Brains extended absence was always a possibility and was perhaps carefully planned.  It shouldn't be read into too much.

I understand Brain 100% and I welcome him back when he choose to do so :)

Yeah me too.  But it would've been cool to make some kinda announcement at Inland about that being Brain's last show for a while.  Although there have been many line-up changes over the years it was nice to have a somewhat solid group of muscians under the Guns N' Roses banner.  The old band had been through so much together and it was great to see their chemistry expressed on stage on on their albums.  I feel like Axl, Tommy, Richard, and Robin have that chemistry and I guess as long as they stay together that's all that matters. 

I remember Brain's statement about being in GNR "as long as the checks keep coming in" and that did make me like him less.  But honestly the main reason I want him to stay is because of the Bucket connection!

I thought Frank was Axl's bodyguard.  :-X

That would be cool. "Axl Rose and His Magical Band of Big Touring Bodyguards - Coming Soon to a City Near You. Check local listings!"

After seeing Frank play with Guns the last two shows here in Florida, he kicks ass! He nails the songs, he can stay as long as he wants :beer:

seen the band with frank and brain too...

i m really happy ... brain sux a lot.

ive seen gnr with both frank and brain. brain is a far superior drummer. i travel all over the world to see the band that I love. i just went down to florida to see them. It's only fair that they should have told the fans about brain leaving. i would have never travelled to see them woth frank. its just my opinion that he doesnt belong here.

Its not too unusual to have a touring musician with certain circumstances. If not Frank, who? Frank had a chance to learn the ropes in Europe.

Frank has played with Tool, Wycleaf, Gordon Gano  8) and Perry Farrell. He belongs there.

Family is definitely No. 1, so Brain did the right thing. As for the above quote, if you think Brain "sux a lot," you're out of your freakin' mind. He's probably the most versatile drummers GNR has had. Plus, he's a character. Actually has some personality.

It's funny how quick the mood changed in this thread once people read that message from Dizzy. I just thought it was common sense that Brain was with his family and Frank was just filling in for the tour, but so many of you INSISTED that Brain HAD TO BE OUT OF GN'R because it didn't list his name on MYSPACE (of all places)!!! Some of you people make me laugh and it's not because you're funny in a humorous way, but a pathetic way. I guess it was too HARD to believe the OFFICIAL WORD from Merck when he said they "were both part of Guns N' Roses." Sometimes I think people disagree to disagree and then we get a 7 page thread about Frank's name appearing on Myspace. It's ok, I still enjoy reading all those pages of reasons WHY brain MUST have left the band in this thread.

I tune out most drumming anyway, so it doesn't bother me much even if Brain was out.

Frank didn't put a foot wrong in Glasgow.

Let's be thankful the replacement is excellent, and the tour is still going with everybody happy.

Oh, and one more thing, Frank looks like a fucking bad-ass.

Frank is one bad mother hush your mouth

(http://62.148.173.76/img/news/3243-06212006232620.jpg)

Brain will come back only if Frank lets him :hihi:

Seriously, Frank has history with Tommy and Richard. I wouldn't be surprised if this is how the band stays.

That is a sweet pic and I love the side burns. He does however look like a dude you may not want to fuck with but I'm sure he's a cool guy. Has anyone met Frank at any of the shows he has played this year yet??

this is one of the reasons this band is the greatest ever

That's true.  Imagine Axl 13-15 years ago if this would have happened... He would probably freak the fuck out if anyone wanted to step away from the band for awhile and they would have probably been kicked out and replaced for good. Axl has changed so much since those days and for the better. Honestly, this band feels more like a BAND than GN'R did from probably 1989 or 1990, up until the time when everyone left or were "fired." I hope this group stays together until Axl calls it quits, which is doubtful but wishful thinking.

AND... We should all welcome Frank with open arms to the group. As long as he does his job and does it well, what more can you ask for?? Axl has worked with some of the best drummers in the world (Josh Freese, Brain and some might even say Sorum) and if he thinks Frank is worthy of the spot, he is worthy of the spot. You never know, some of us may end up liking Frank better than Brain and when Brain comes back, I can already see people bitching about it down the road. Oh, I love this band. The drama never fucking ends.

I'd be happy with Frank staying.

Hopefully Brain is out.

Once I watch Frank play, I might have a better opinion about it. But right now, I'm happy the way it is.

I saw frank on drums in both sheffield and manchester on the UK tour.... he has got amazing drumming skills and didnt miss a beat.

He seems to be cheerful and happy bloke and looks asthough he is really enjoying playing with guns

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/Cjc1706/frank.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/Cjc1706/frank2.jpg)

Im happy to have him in the band aslong as he wants to be

CJ

It does seem as if Axl's changed a lot. I think the UYI era was a particularly "hellish" time personally for everyone involved. Axl's problems with Stephanie and losing contact with Dylan are well documented. Slash and Duff were in marriages that fell apart. Izzy quitting for his own sanity. The endless touring, etc. Maybe he's of the opinion now that as important as everything that's going on with the band right now is... there are still a few things more important.

Meanwhile, Frank seems like a great guy- and as pointed out- has history with Richard Fortus from the Furs and Love Spit Love, as well as, toured with Tommy Stinson on his solo tour in '04. I think chemistry is very much intact. Especially since the guys know that Brain is still in too.
 

HAHA. I want to see Vince Neil or James Hettfield talk smack about Axl with this guy hanging around! :o

Um... you said?

I liked Brain, but I hear that Frank is awesome too. I'm happy to have him in the band.

Vince Neil: Axl?  Remember what Izzy did 88 at the movie awards?  I'm going to kick your ass!
Axl: FRANK!

You know you are a Guns N' Roses fan when the most discussed topic is wether or not the drummer has been replaced when the band is on tour and supposedly plans to release their first album in 15 years.

He's a drummer, do we actually care? How many drummers have there been in this band? 5? 10?

Frank's poised to powerbomb someone through the Spanish Announce Table.

Vince Neil: hey Axl!? Remember what Izzy did 88 at the movie awards?? I'm going to kick your ass!
Axl: oh really, how?

HAHA. Axl has replaced Brain AND Earl at the same time! :peace:

Franck is not "better" or "badder" than brain ... HE IS JUST DIFFERENT

IMO He fits very well to GNR ... more than Brain.

Frank is powerfull, alway in a great mood, nice player, he can control the crownd bitween songs .... Really great.

(I ve seen the two drummers : brain @ Paris and frank @ wembley)

I'm happy to have the band, period, regardless of whose on the drums.  That said, Frank seems like a great guy, and - from those who have seen him playing live - a phenominal talent.  Good for Axl and the band that they have him already in place and ready to go...

Look at it this way. Like his style or not, its a good thing he is here because if he wasnt, then the tour could have been cancelled until Brain gets back. That is the last thing this band needs are more cancelled tour dates

yeah exactly

and like MrBrOwNsToNeR said, Franck is not "better" or "badder" than brain ... he has a different style

it's all about personal taste, he got skills, or else he wouldn't have been in gn'r

Where were they?

These types of posts are really pathetic. As soon as a member leaves(or is rumoured to leave), all of a sudden certain people say they suck, never liked them,etc. First, Paul Huge is supposedly out of the picture. People hate him. Then Buckethead. People hate him. Now you hate Brain.

Sounds to me like you hate Chinese Democracy.

I still like buckethead ... I like Frak Ferrer since he joined GNR.

Never liked Brain. NEVER.

this guy doesn't fit GNR. and please dont think that you know everything about everybody here. You really don't know my opinion ...

here is my opinion:

Franck is not "better" or "badder" than brain ... HE IS JUST DIFFERENT

IMO He fits very well to GNR ... more than Brain.

Frank is powerfull, alway in a great mood, nice player, he can control the crownd bitween songs .... Really great.

(I ve seen the two drummers : brain @ Paris and frank @ wembley)

Maybe I worded that wrong... Maybe I should have used the word 'how' in place of WHY?? A lot of people in this thread were so sure that Brain left and some were even happy about it, but then the Dizzy comment happens and the same people are like, "I knew he didn't quit the band. I was just joking around before. I don't hate him either (In my best smart ass voice)." Obviously that wasn't said, but I'm just pointing out how stupid people can be at times, especially people that think they know everything and are SO SURE about what happened, when they in fact don't know shit about the situation. It would have turned into the same thing that happened when Buckethead left the band. So many of us liked the guy but when he quit, people started talking so much shit about him. Or when Bumblefoot was rumored to be in the band. At first that was such a negative thought and people hated it, but once he was in the band, everyone loved the guy. It's like, "If you're in GN'R we love ya, if you're not anymore, we hate you." I think that attitude is fucking dumb as hell. And I'm not even talking about a majority of people here, just quite a few so called "fans" that don't really need to even be here.

EDIT:  JAMESLOFTON!!!!!!  DAMN YOU!!!!  I just typed this out and then read what you said about 2 posts above me and couldn't believe it. At least I'm not the only one that see's that shit happen.  But I'm not editing my post because I like what I had to say but you can have credit for the idea ONLY because yours was posted first. (*cough, cough, Damn you, cough cough.)

the positive is that the tour is going on and they havent cancelled dates I guess

Strange, its hard to really dig a band with members coming and going all the time . I was just starting to dig Buckethead and then Im supposed to embrace Bumble with open arms, now this Frank dude

It really does makes it harder to justify that this is a 'band' and not a project (and not any old band I might add)

I've given up on the "It's not Axl + Backing band!" argument.
What's the point in even trying?

Some people will say "as long as Robin and Tommy are there, I don't care"
Well... people said the same about Slash and Duff once too...

I know a lot of people who will be upset that "the drummer from Primus" isn't in Guns N' Roses anymore.
At least the old new Guns N' Roses had known musicians. Who is this Frank fellow anyway?

frank have played with big names like tool as a guest and also with perry farrel
he was bandmate with fortus in love spit love, psychedelic furs, etc

Hit the  nail on the head, exactly. Good job.

i honestly like both brain and frank

My only other words on the matter are that I like Frank - I've seen the band with Frank and with Brain, and though their playing was equal imo, Frank's enthusiasm transferred to the audience and it was great to see the guy having fun. Brain's loyalty has been questioned before due to his alleged 'paycheck' comments, and now the Praxis thing.

In all honesty I'd like to see more of Frank in GNR. If Brain comes back, thats fine too, but if he doesn't it won't bother me.

What's actually been questioned is your sense of humour.  :yes:


as much as I like frank's damn charming looks, and I appreciate him as much as ron, I hope
we'll see brain back with the intro of cd. hopefully with the other b.
either way, that's when they will at last stop calling themselves Axl Rose and his latest all-star collection of musicians. :smoking:

I never said I personally questioned Brain's loyalty because of his comments. Just that they were questioned, which is true. I agree, they may have been made in jest.

What did you mean by the other b?  ???

Buckethead, I assume. She probably made that comment because Buckethead plays on the album as well and it would be nice "in her opinion" to have a band up there that were ALL on the album. I agree that it would be nice to have the band together that played on the album as well. Too bad Ron didn't Re-record Buckets parts, which honestly wouldn't have taken him that long at all. Ron is the man.

EDIT: And don't get me wrong, I'm still a Buckethead fan, whether he's in this band or not. But I just don't see him ever coming back.

? I remember when they first announced brain wasn't going to play a few shows he was introduced as his drum tech... granted although back then he wasn't considered "part" of the band... he obviously spend a lot of time with the band... enough to be considered for taking over the drums even if temporarily, and if brain is out and about and has someone good enough with charisma and playing ability... why not??? I know back in the day when steven had his shit fucked up they used the cinderella drummer, granted they didn't consider him part of the band.. but there was no myspace then for people to read into a comment saying that he was part of the band.. i mean if didn't play with the band.. then he wouldn't be a part of them right?? and it wasn't just for a guest appearance, it was for a few shows... and now that frank is playing in the drums... and the crowd likes him, and brain is taking some time to be with his baby and wife, let it be, if it doesn't affect GnR in their touring... who cares??? I've seen a lot of the bootlegs with both brain and frank, and I dunno, frank has a more rock n' rollish vibe to him... but brain is just as close to flawless in his drumming (not that frank messes up a lot) you know?? so it's either great stage presense and energy vs. Studio quality drumming while touring... what would you pick??

edit:  i forgot to answer my own question

To me a great live performance vs. perfect drumming more than makes up for it.. so great presence should always win.. dunno what you people consider more important in a live show..

heres a kickass shot of Frank and Robin
(http://www.robinfinckfans.com/dloads/robinfrank.jpg)

I think he'll be great to have on this leg of the tour.  : ok:

i was at a stinson show at bar/club in nyc back in 04 after his solo album came out- fortus joined him for songs as well, it was cool- i'm pretty sure frank was the drummer for stinson during the show- or at the very least he came to drum when fortus played. but yea, he seemed like a fun guy and i'm pretty sure he knows tommy as well as richard, so i think he'll be a good addition to the band (if brain is actually out).

Frank played on Love Spit Love with Richard Fortus, so yeah, he knows Richard pretty well.

If I was front row at MSG and I saw this frank guy behind the drums I honestly wouldn't have known it was a different guy.  why? b/c I really never gave a shit about what Brain looked like.  I probably wouldn't even know how the two of them "sound different" on drums.  I doubt most people here would either....

Seriously, who gives a shit? 

So long as Axl is there thats all that matters.  So long as the other guys behind him can play the songs, thats all that matters.  This is GNR to me b/c it SAYS on my tickets GNR, it will say on CD's album cover "Guns N' Roses".  When I play the songs or listen to them in concert it will sound like GNR.

If Tommy or Richard left tomorrow but nothing changed in terms of plans for CD, tours etc....would anyone REALLY be that upset?  I do like Robin, but if he left and Ron took over full time I still wouldn't care.   

I saw two shows with Frank on drums, and it was great :peace: Finally someone who can really play YCBM correctly. But really, I like his drumming way more than Brain's.

I'm damn glad I don't have that narrow minded view that you do. I wouldn't be happy if Tommy and Richard left tomorrow. I wouldn't be happy if Robin left either. I think you are pretty much alone on this one bud, alone on your opinion and probably alone in the world.  "This is GNR to me b/c it SAYS on my tickets GNR."  I'm sorry but I can't even comment on that sentence because I don't want to get any negative karma. But believe me, it would be REALLY, REALLY, REALLY HARSH. I truly feel sorry for you because you probably carry that view with you through life. I am sorry.

HAHAH so b/c I have an opinion on a rock band that differs from yours I'm "alone in the world"  :rofl:  Funniest thing I've read all day.  Lighten up dude, its only a rock band.

So I bet you were crushed when you found out Gilby wasn't in GNR anymore either right  ::)  PM me your thoughts if you don't want to post them  : ok:  I could use another laugh.

You can say whatever you want in return to me but I don't have anymore time to spend talking to someone that believes this is GNR because "it says it on the ticket."  I do feel bad for you and as I said before, I'm sorry.  You're right, it is only a rock band and from now on I will believe nothing that anyone says, unless the ticket says it first.  I will only believe concert tickets from now on.

To be honest, i have never really been into Brain. He is an awesome drummer and everything but his style never suited GN'R. Matt was prob the most talented drummer they ever had but he is a cock. Brain is cool but Richard said he is really only in it for the cash. I haven't heard anything with Frank yet but from what people say he is a kick arse drummer and really suits the band.


 :peace:

HAHAH you are really a funny guy.  Don't take everything you read SOOOOO literally!!  Geez!  ::)  My point was, at this stage of the game, I don't really care who is on drums or keyboards or who is the 3rd guitarist or even the 2nd - as of right now, the 2006 version of GNR is Axl.  Maybe when CD drops and we get a better idea as to how much the new guys contributed and if they release more albums and what not it'll be more like a real band.

And don't feel bad for me, I have a great life, good friends, a loving family, a great dog, an awesome girlfriend and I do well for myself - feel bad for the peope in Darfur or something.  I'm still chuckling at how repulsed you are by someones words on a GNR message board.  Really, lighten up.  :beer:

madison received a email from merc ...


brain is still in the band , he is just a new family man at the time being or some stuff

For all of you who've posted that this is the Axl Rose solo project, thanks for realizing this!!!  : ok:  I don't care if Chinese Democracy comes out, I don't care who leaves the band, I just want to see Axl do the real GNR songs.  If I close my eyes at the concert, I can at least pretend Slash is playing!

And we don't care if you leave this thread. get lost. You belong in dead horse.

I see you spewing your negative garbage in every other thread.  Dude I'm a hard core old school fan. I went to see them in May and I have no doubt this is Guns N Roses.

Frank to me comes closest to being a replacement for Steven.

It's clear in his drumming. I find his style fits with the sound they have going on.

Er? Where did Richard say that? I heard completely the opposite of that.


Needless to say........better left it unsaid tho.  :-X

I would hate if other people than the very guys rerecorded the two b's parts, or any of the eight's. 
If that was the case, every other part would be subject to change in proportion to the redone parts.
I love BH's brisk and crisp tone on the new songs. that is an exquisite match for robin's wet and melancholic tone. perhaps Ron is more than capable of reproducing the same notes technically but never bh's own particular qualities. And I love to hear brains 'mean' beats.
Rons has different good points, which possibly will shine on the albums after the first two.
And he's amiable. the same is true with frank.

yep, whether the band calls itself GNR or "axl rose and his latest all-star collection of musicians" matters. a big deal. As far as I can gather, Brain's in the band and Frank in axl's newest lineup.
Wait and see.

 

Seriously who questions this when there're so many threads and posts on whether Brain's in or out?
Myspace is just Geffen people getting info from GNSNROSES. com, this site or others it seems.

It was Brain who said he was in it for the cash, and Richard said he was just joking around.

Brain just had a kid.  He's taking time off to be with his new family.

a child care leave---Axl would do the same, I bet  :yes:


So did I.  ;)

i can't believe people are still talking about this...

Brain gave me his drum sticks  :'(

Apologies if this has been posted, but Brain performed with Praxis Saturday at the Vegoose Music Festival, so perhaps this is why he wasn't at the shows.

Oh. Goodness. Thanks for the update! We didn't already have a ten-page discussion about it.  :P

Is Buckethead a Mantia?


 :peace:

Uh....that is why he prefaced it with "Apologies if this has been posted". So why make him feel like an idiot about trying to contribute to the conversation?  ::)

Oh, I don't know. I guess I'm a meanie.  :-\

I was kinda surprised too.

I actually wanna look up some of the shows from the Euro Tour where Frank played though. Just in case he's still playin' the skins by the time they get to Detroit, I wanna know what to expect.