Here Today... Gone To Hell!

what songs do you think should make up the setlist ??

well for rock in rio and since its the first i ever gonna see guns live i would love to see the classics : jungle , live and let die , november rain , paradise city , rocket queen , sweet child , dont cry at least these ones.

On the RIR website it says "Guns N Roses present Chinese Democracy"...

So, I'm guessing the new album will feature heavily in the set.

I can't beleive we are already doing this. ?

6 songs from Chinese Democracy, 6 songs from AFD, 6 songs from UYI 1 and 2 and Patience.

The album will probably be otu by then maybe that's why they said it like that.


I don't want a setlist I want a picklist like the Illusion Days, just a list of GnR songs and the band picked  what ever song felt right at the time.

Chinese Democracy
The Blues
Madagascar
Rhiad
TWAT
IRS
Better
Catcher in The Rye
Ides of March
General
Seven
This I Love
Leave Me Alone
Thyme
Prostitute
Jungle
Sweet Child
Paradise City
Yesterdays
14 Years
Estranged
November Rain
Knockin on Heaven's Door
You Could Be Mine
Don't Cry
Used To Love Her

perfect crime
it's so easy
rhiad and the bedoins
chinese democracy
madagascar
you could be mine
sweet child o mine
irs
better
the blues
coma
oh my god
twat

don't cry
welcome to the jungle
paradise city

Welcome to the Jungle
It's So Easy
Chinese Democracy
Civil War
You Could Be Mine
IRS
The Blues
Don't Cry
November Rain
Madagascar
Sweet Child O' Mine
Patience
Rocket Queen
* New Track * - The General or Prostitute or something
There Was A Time
Estranged
Nighttrain
* New Track * - Catcher in the Rye or something
Paradise City

I'd love to see Coma but I *HIGHLY* doubt that'll ever happen again.

Didn't Axl say he wouldn't play Don't Cry again because "it's an Izzy song" or something to that effect?

Did Axl ever comment on why the played fuck all from UYI? I really wanna hear em do Estranged n Dont Cry and even Dead Horse or the Garden


 :peace:

Its so Easy
My Michelle
Civil War
Better
Estranged
Get in the ring
TWAT
Nighrain
Oh My God
Shadow of your love
Used to love her
Paradise City
General
Rocket Queen
The Garden
Madagascar
Dont Cry
Aint it Fun

I've never heard that one before ? If Axl didn't play any of the songs Izzy wrote then we would have a small and shitty setlist ?:hihi:

He should play TWAT... then check out who's singing along and kick their asses for trading his songs. :)

SG

During a 2002 concert, after telling someone in the crowd "aw, don't cry" and garnering a reaction, he said something like "we won't be playing that tonight because it's an Izzy song".

I believe it was Shannon dying...

Welcome To The Jungle
Mr. Brownstone
Yesterdays
Better
Dead Horse
I.R.S
Double Talkin' Jive
Civil War
November Rain
The Blues
Estranged
Sweet Child O'Mine
Patience
-------------------------------------------
Chinese Demacrocy
There Was A Time
Paradise City

When did Axl say that?


 :peace:

He never did, but it would make sense.

the fucks need to bring out get in the ring and one in a million!

Yeah true, but I doubt thats the reason even tho it could could be. Did Axl ever comment on Shannon's death?


 :peace:

Since it says GnR present Chinese Democracy, i would bet they play most if not all the songs off that album.

Why is there always someone who puts songs they havent heard? You cant say you want The General or Prostitute on the setlist because A. you haven't heard the song and B. you don't even know if that song still exists. Those were tentative titles from like 5 years ago! When someone puts together this thread of a fantasy lineup, you have to give generalities when you havent heard all the tracks. for instance:
1. Junglie
2. Maddy
3. New Song (rocker)
4. New song (ballad)

the present chinese democracy line was also used at leeds in 2002. we got three (so far the three best new songs - title track, blues, madagascar) and a greatest hits set.

no idea what is going to happen, i want wttj, scom, pc ycbm cw maybe nr at least in there..I don't know how much piano can be there or ballads

Estranged
Sweet Child O' Mine
Welcome To The Jungle
Paradise City
November Rain
Breakdown
Nightrain

Rest new songs please and no fuckin' cover versions. Thank you!  :peace:

Personally, I think they'll throw us a few REAL classics from the old band (WTTJ, SCOM, PC, Patience, KOHD, YCBM, LALD, Brownstone, Nightrain, It's So Easy, Rocket Queen and November Rain) just so that it "feels" like a Guns N' Roses concert... but the rest of the show should feature Chinese Democracy tracks.... this is NOT the forum or opportunity to be mining out "rare gems" from the UYI albums... as cool as that would be- it would just be a waste of stage time. They need to: (1) prove once again that the new band can "play the fvck" out of the GN'R classics that made the band world famous; AND (2) prove that CD is a kick ass album and that GN'R dominance is back. Anything else would be shooting wide of the mark.

For a rarities sake though..... I would love to see Tommy Stinson play/sing "Attitude". : ok:

Lastly, I remember the old band complaining that even they couldn't play Estranged properly live (still sounded cool to me!)- It would take months of rehearsals to get the new band to nail that one down... what's the point? They've got other more important sh1t to be practicing and perfecting right now... Plus, I think Axl's move passed Estranged as an artist now... he's got more chapters of the story to tell now (The Blues, Prostitute, TWAT, Better, etc.)...:drool:

this is a really good guess. i think the selection and even the order of the songs will be very close.
you listed 19 songs:
AFD - 6
Lies - 1
UYI - 5
New - 7

my guess would only have two changes from your list:
- KOHD instead of don't cry
- mr. brownstone instead of estranged.
 

No "Welcome to the Jungle"?

Brilliant!

no 14 Years without Izzy!

I'd personally like to see:

Welcome To The Jungle (best way to open a killer show IMO)
It's So Easy
Mr.Brownstone (The way it was played in at Rio 3 in 2001)
Live And Let Die (Never was a fan of it from the old line up,but Axl changed that in 2002)
Knockin' On Heaven's Door
 - New Song -
 - New Song -
Sweet Child O' Mine
 - New Song -
Madagascar
November Rain
IRS
The Blues
Chinese Democracy
There Was A Time
 - New Song -
 - New Song -
Nightrain
Better
Paradise City (Best way to end a killer show IMO)
 :drool:

Edit: Notice I didn't name any songs we haven't heard.

No Live and Let Die!!!
I don't want to hear covers. No need. Its not like the band doesn't have enough songs of their own to choose from.

I'd really like to hear something totally surprising...
Used To Love Her? Coma :)? Breakdown... Or Shadow Of Your Love. Now THAT would be cool.

I really hope the new setlists are so heavy on the AFD songs. There's no need of Out Ta Get Me or Think About You or even Mr Brownstone. I also hope they switch up the setlists from night to night. At least then they could play all the AFD tehy want, but it doesn't necessarily all have to be every night.

W.T.T.J.
Its So Easy
Better
You Could Be Mine/Right Next door to hell (Rotate a different one every night.)
Madagascar
The Blues
Sweet Child O Mine
Yesterdays/Don't Damn Me/Breakdown (Rotate a different one every night)
Rocket Queen
November Rain
I.R.S./Chinese Democracy (Rotate a different one every night)
There Was A Time
Patience/Locomotive (Rotate a different one every night)
Nightrain
________________
Encore:

The General (Or another one of the best new songs)
Estranged/Coma (Rotate one of these every night)
Paradise City

How many songs will they be allowed approx?

Around 17-19... but with the length of a lot of the songs I imagine 17.

Id like to see

Welcome To The Jungle
Chinese Democracy
Mr.Brownstone
Nightrain/Live & Let Die/Its So Easy (Switch every night)
Coma/Locomotive/Estranged (switch each night)
New Song
The Blues
Dead Horse
You Could Be Mine
Yesterdays
New Song
Pretty Tied Up
Civil War
Madagascar
November Rain
Rocket Queen
Sweet Child
Out Ta Get Me
New Song
Patience
Better
Paradise City

I'm in the very small minority that doesnt want to hear old stuff. Been there done that. He needs to play a shitload of new material. I've said this before, but I think he should do like Queensryche did on their Livecrime tour. Play your hits, some obscure songs from old albums, and play CD in its entirety in the middle of the show.

He did explain why the 2001-2 set was Appetite heavy: it was basically meant as Round 1 at the time; a chance for the band to get a feel for the core old material and for the fans to get to know and accept the band playing it.

I think he should stay clear of mid-vocal range stuff that he can't do well anymore, particularly Think About You. He has a strong bottom end for Chinese Democracy and So Easy and we all know his top end has gone through the roof but his weak points are the mid range verses on Jungle, and sadly, most of Sweet Child. He can't get away with not playing them he's gonna be under really heavy scrutiny this time around and he can't afford to get a reputation for having lost his voice and sounding shit live, which could easily happen.

There have been hundreds of threads on the boards about his voice in the last years with good reason and this time around he needs to work to his strengths and not give critics a chance to blast him. He DID sounds really weak on certain things in 2002 e.g. Sweet Child and the best way to fix that is sandwich those type of songs between ones he can show off on.

I tottaly agree with you that if his voice is going to sound miserable on a song he should just opt to play another one. We all know he has tons of options with how good the overall gnr catalog is....

I'd LOVE to hear that live.

welcome to the jungle
chinese democracy
its so easy
irs
better
out to get me
my michelle
TWAT
Live and let die
SCOM
madagascar
rocket queen
the blues
you could be mine
rhiad and the bedouins
november rain
knocking on heavens door
the general
this i love
mr brownstone
nightrain
paradise city

 :peace:
 :beer:

i wanna hear all the new i can!

But here is a list of the old i would like to hear!

Civil War
Mr Brownstone
Jungle
Breakdown
Coma
Its so easy
Bad Apples
Knock knock
Oh My God
Locomotive
Mama Kin
November Rain
Paradice city

I think the setlist will vary widely if the album is or is not released prior to this show. ? Let's hope it is, as much can change with GNR in split second.

yeah! That is ture.. But! I dont think we get to see that many from the old that we did in 2002, maybe just a a few.

Jungle
It's So Easy
Chinese Democracy
Right Next Door to Hell
I.R.S.
Civil War
Patience (Though I've always hated this song live)
Madagascar
There Was a Time
Estranged
November Rain
Mr Brownstone
The Blues
Oh My God
You Could Be Mine
-------
Sweet Child O' Mine
Nightrain
--------
Live & Let Die
Paradise City

WTTJ
It's so Easy
Brownstone
The Blues
Rocket Queen
I.R.S
Breakdown
YCBM
Better
Patience
Anything goes
November Rain
Maddy
There was a time
PC

If that were to be the case, the audience will leave after the first 8-9 songs. They are not coming to hear unknown and mediocre songs upfront. The new songs have to be interspersed throughout. Most people (the non-diehards) want to hear the old stuff.

it has to be mostly new stuff with the album out if they want to tour in the us again

I think the band is going to have to play most of the new songs. ?I'd say a minimum of 8. ?It essentially is a new band and everyone else in the band is going to want to play the songs that they had input on. ?For the festivals, they're going to have to play the classics:

Paradise City
Welcome to the Jungle
Sweet Child o' Mine
November Rain
Patience (maybe)
You Could Be Mine (I wouldn't want them to)
Knocking on Heavens Door (Don't want this)

They'd probably mix up a couple of AFD tracks however they feel.

I do wish they had a playlist set that alternated every night. ?The real question is whether the band knows all the old songs. ?I'd love to see Estranged, Dust n Bones, Coma, Double Talkin' Jive, Locomotive, Pretty Tied Up, and some other lesser known songs. ?

The setlist depends a whole bunch on whether they have CD released yet. ?If they do, they can play alot more new stuff and get away with it.

I expect them to honestly (hopefully) play the entire album, save for maybe rotating one or two songs every other night or so.

Welcome to the Jungle
Chinese Democracy
I.R.S
Live and Let Die
(new song)
Riyadh and the Bedouins
Madagascar
Sweet Child O'Mine
November Rain
The Blues
(new song)
Oh My God
(new song)
(new song)
Out ta Get Me
(new song)
(new song)
There was a Time
(new closer)
-----------------------
Better
Paradise City

I thought the 2002 stuff was supposed to be a farewell to old gnr? I personally dont think well get much old stuff at all.

The UYI era didn't bury Appetite, nor do I expect the CD era to blow away the UYI/Appetite Eras.. They'll play the fan-pleasers to sell tickets..they'll finally have enough solid material to cut some of the fat out of the shows.. GNR is bound to be transitioning to a period of "entertaining" as opposed to the drugged, drunken, kick ass mentality.. Axl knows how to make money.

Old stuff I would want to hear...

November Rain
You Could Be Mine
Jungle
Sweet Child
Paradise City
Yesterdays
KOHD
Its So Easy
Nightrain
Patience
My Michelle
Civil War
Pretty Tied Up
Mr Brownstone

I say "Better".

Imagine that they kill the lights and keep us waiting for 5 min. in the dark, then subtle lighting comes on w/ keys, soft guitar and Axl singing, until it all kicks in, the lights reveal the band and then everyone goes nuts.

dude you cant change welcome to the jungle...there is nothing like it

Exactly what I was about to say. : ok:

Breakdown or Don't Damn Me

The ONLY song I think would be cool to open with other then Jungle would be "14 years"....14 years of silence, 14 years of pain.

but its not really a good kick ass opening type of song...but symbolically, I think it'd be cool.

But nothing beats Jungle.

I always thought "my michelle" would have been a cool opener....its all dark and smoky, the intro comes in....and then BOOM, the lights come on, the guitars kick up and the curtain falls......

Jungle

I was thinking to myself the other that Better would make a good intro as well. But probably Jungle would be the best choice overall.

It's So Easy.

Let's keep all setlist wishes oin one thread.

No need to start a new one for the opening song, closing song, cover or number of songs in the set that start with the letter W.




/jarmo

I'd like to have Axl fart into the microphone to let the world know...he's back to reclaim his crown ..and takes no prisoners.  :beer:

Here's my encore wishlist, especially for Nesquick  :hihi:

Oh My God
Silkworms
Buckethead Solo 1
Justin Timberlake cover
My World

i hope they`ll play many new songs (and i`m sure they will....)

but here are the old songs i wouldn`t mind to hear...

coma
estranged
november rain
civil war
don`t cry
nightrain (only if bucket is back...)
brownstone
paradise city
locomotive
jungle
live and let die
kohd
dead horse
the garden



and well... everything that came out after '98 except silkworms :peace:

100 % ★Chinese Democracy★ (era) tracks . That's My ideal setlist.
Starting with ♫no it doesn't matter♩

26 ~32 songs would be more than enough for a full concert. :peace:

If necessary, a few old songs for encores wouldn't hurt.
In this case, I'd love to hear a medoley of my world ~the garden ~ estranged~ twat but I shouldn't ask too much.

ppbebe,
I'm pretty sure CD isn't going to have 26-32 tracks.  Hasn't Axl said that there are going to be 13 tracks or something?
He's not going to play tracks that are planned for a future album.

I'm guessing we'll see a set heavily favoring new material with a couple of the die hard classics tossed in. If Axl really wants to redefine GnR he needs to let go of the old stuff, save for the home run tunes like Jungle.

Actually, after they open with Jungle I could care less if they do any more old material. They need to show us why we should care about the new GnR by blowing the roof off with new material.

but since he`s working on 32........... : ok:

I?m sorry, I don?t have any Jung or Symbolism textbooks laying around right now; could you explain exactly how farting into a microphone wold let the world know THAT? :nervous:

Anyway, I?d like them to play several songs off CD, but they HAVE to keep some sort of balance. They can?t open with 7 CD songs, most people would go: ?Hey, we got the wrong band or what?? Unless the album has a certain recurring ??theme?? and the songs are too deeply interwoven to be played apart, I guess they shoud play one or two classics between CD songs.

Ok, ?3 or 4 CD in a row would be really cool :drool:, but only after the audience is already pumped up with the old songs.







OK, open with the whole fucking CD album and close with a Mariah Carey medley, JUST FUCKING PLAY ALREADY!!

Mate, I didn't say a CD has 26 ~ tracks. I said Chinese Democracy era tracks.
GNR would play songs like dont cry in the AFD era.
And what for do you think they're working on the 32 tracks now?

Well, Axl did say (albeit a long time ago) that he was planning on releasing albums while they were on tour, and allowing fans to follow the GN'R progression into a new sound.  If that's what he's still planning on doing, then we won't hear anything not on CD or earlier.  I don't think Axl is going to want to spoil all his new songs in the first tour if he's planning on touring for a couple years.

In order

WTTJ
It's So Easy
Live And Let Die
Bad Obsession
IRS
Mr. Brownstone
Don't Cry
Civil War
November Rain
Better
SCOM
The Blues
Rocket Queen
Madagascar
Locomotive
Chinese Democracy
You Could Be Mine
Night Train
There Was A Time
Patience
Paradise City

 :peace:

Does any one of you really care what the other wants to hear at a concert, I don't. I think Jarmo should do a poll to find out the setlist that represents everyone. He should list EVERY Gnr song and people could vote and then pick the top 20 after a week or so.

I read on a message board that the amazing outro of TWAT really helps make the song something special.  Does anyone else think that this song could be used as a new closer for the tour?  If not for Paradise City, then at least before the final encore.

Maybe it's just me, but I can just picture the band extending the outro and really going crazy with the song on stage.  It's a great sing along too.

Play new material only.

Welcome to the Jungle
Its So Easy
brownstone
chinese democracy
Rhiad
Live And Let Die/you Could be mine*
Right Next Door To Hell/Perfect Crime*
Better
Knockin on Heavens Door
Sweet Child O Mine
IRS
The Blues
November Rain
Rocket Queen
My Michelle/Out Ta get Me*
Nightrain
There Was A Time

* = rotate on different nights

Encore:
Madagascar
Paradise City

I'd LOVE to hear Garden of Eden and Down on the Farm... but we know how likely THAT is...

BETTER!!!!

this is going to be a killer live!!

yeah but they should play it better with buckethead : ok:

I agree on any new song !!!!

And I pretty much agree with you on "Aint it fun"... I would love to hear that one live.... I love the covers Guns has made and I think Axl should stop playin' "Live and let die" and "KOHD". I think the show must have a couple cover and I love that ones but they already played it toooo much. I say, include other 2 covers on the setlist "AIF" and I would love to hear "Sympathy For The Devil " or even a new one we haven't heard already.

I forgot to say I think they should play more UYI tracks, not only AFD tracks like in 2002.

I love threads like these... (seriously)  :D

Welcome to the jungle (obvious starter)
It's so easy
Mr. Brownstone ( I really love that 3 song combo)
Chinese Democracy
Rhiad and the Bedouins
Perfect Crime
Live and Let Die
*New song*
Madagasgar
Sweet Child O' Mine
Out Ta Get Me
*new song*
The Blues
Better
Locomotive
*New Song*
Twat
Don't cry
Nightrain

Encore 1
My michelle
November Rain
*New Song* (maybe IRS)
Dead Horse
Patience

Encore 2
*New Song*
Paradise City

Songs to work in: COMA,  Dont damn me, Get in the ring, Right next door to hell, BREAKDOWN, You're crazy (either version), Since I dont have you, ESTRANGED

Definately a heavier focus on UYI and Chinese Democracy.

I was just watching a clip of a gnr show from 91, i think it was from the infamous St. Louis show, and Axl said this before playing You Could Be Mine,

"We'll be playing a lot of new stuff, seeing as how you people have waited a really long time for the album to come out, and it would be kind of a real pussy-ass thing to do to just come up here and play Appetite for Destruction, it's kind of like jerking off."

I just hope he remembers that on the next tour and doesn't have a repeat performance of the 2002 tour in regards to the set list.

I agree only if the album is out first though..otherwise imo they shouldnt even tour until it is or as long as it has a set offcial date

I agree..

I hope so two .

Chinise Democracy set list wif some Classic GNR songs .

I'll be there either way wether they do afd lies the illusions or new stuff... I just want his fucking album already, enough dicking around..

St louis what an amazing show, that had such potential if it didn't end that way

I didn't really make this thread to have another debate about what the set list for the next tour should be, I think we have all agreed that it should be mainly songs off of Chinese Democracy with a few classics thrown in. I just made this thread because I thought it was ironic that Axl said that back in 1991 and then completely went against what he said during the 2002 tour. Just hoping that he goes back to his 1991 way of thinking for the next tour.

CIVIL WAR and Used To Love her

All new songs plus, WTTJ, PC, SCOM, NR,YCBM, Civil War, and Nightrain

The songs on my wishlist are...

Coma
Estranged
Breakdown

being that everyone says this is a new band, play only CD songs

all new songs+ estranged and maybe open with jungle

silkworms and my world please, anything else is just filler material :hihi:

in no particular oder

jungle
easy
brownstone
madagascar
blues
chinese democracy
better
ycbm
november rain
dont cry
estranged
civil war
twat
irs
rocket queen
nightrain
sweet child
heavens door
paradise city

and one song we've haven't heard yet

As much of CD as possible really. And of course the 8 or so songs GNR must play for it to be a GNR concert.

If this is a new band band, I don't want to hear anymore than 3 original GnR songs that were all Axl :rant:

Do you think he'll perform songs like IRS, Better and T.W.A.T.?

I really want him to perform Better.

im going to rock in rio and of the new songs i only would like to hear : TWAT and the blues
i never saw gnr back in the day so im kinda hoping for a 2002 setlist

*waits to get crucify* :nervous:

why not? they have been heard by some people so they won't be a total surprise....

Yeah, The Blues was listed as one of Axl's 3 favorite songs by the man himself so he may perform that one.

I hope he plays only new stuff! Well maybe one or two oldies. I'd like to hear Madagascar(one of my favorites of the new released songs), The Blues, Better, T.W.A.T., I.R.S., and that's it. Hopefully those latter three will be final versions of the song!!

I hope he plays mostly new stuff. If we want old, there is all the old albums and a bunch of bootlegs.

he shouldn't play too much afd stuff. he should especially get rid of otgm and think about you, and play some illusions instead, and of course new stuff...

I agree.  I honestly wouldn't be mad if he only played 5 old songs.  This is a new band.  Lets hear them play the songs they contributed in writing.  Welcome to the Jungle, to me, is still the ultimate opening song.  Axl and the new band fucking rocked the shit out of that song in '02.  Fuck, as long as he is touring, what more do we really need.  I hope they learn 30 songs like the old band did and then just choose which songs they want to play that night.  The same setlist every single fucking night kind of blows.  That's what made the old band so unique.  Not many bands these days play different setlists.  Fuck it all anyway, we will see.

I also think they should play more new songs then old ones...

I would only like them to play new songs...

I think wttj , scom & paradise city are staples that cant be ignored.

I really think this is going to be alot like the 2002 shows.  I really, really do.  Maybe we'll be thrown a bone like 1 or 2 new songs.  But that's a big maybe.

I want to hear Finck and Fortus dual attack on Civil War, and Locomotive live!!!!  Would not mind Shotgun Blues at RDS--dedicated to Vince "Fuckin" Heel!! 

I really think the new band can take the Illusion era stuff to a level the old band might not have been able to live!!

Not if they're planning on releasing an album anytime soon....

Let's be honest here.  That's a pretty big if.


I really think that these shows are just for some quicky cash.

I'm guessing Oh My God might be retired.

ya i doubt they will play OMG or silkworms

I'm hoping for Civil War or Estranged, but I doubt it...Aside from that, I'll take whatever they're willing to give.

stop getting your hopes up for UYI stuff, i agree with danny.
but you never know with gnr.

  :rofl: Thats funny. They couldnt even do one show without BH two years ago, now they're gonna take UYI to a whole new level without him? Gimme a break.

They should play alot more new songs than they did it 01-02 and they should definitly play better-The song-actually both

what a great question
now let me go and get you the answer
Axl......this summer......songs he will play.....
ok.....ummmmm...

hhmmmmmm...

got it !

5 songs off "Appetite for Destruction"
3 songs off "UYI"
1 song off "Lies"
4 or 5 off of the still unreleased at the time of these spring performances "chinese democracy"

that is all I can tell you

My uneducated Guesses:

Off AFD:     

Jungle   (Opener)           
Easy       
Brownstone
PC ( Show Ender)
SCOM
Nightrain
My Michelle

Off Lies:

Patience

Off UYI:

NR
LALD
KOHD
YCBM
Dont Cry

Off CD:

CD
Madagascar
Blues
Better
TWAT
IRS
2 other new tracks we havent heard

Total 21 Songs for a set that will probably last 2 hours, 20 minutes

Axl wil perform the songs that leaked as demos. Though I could see Catcher in the Rye not getting any play. I'd bet almost anything that those songs were leaked for that very reason. So that they could play new material and the fans would recognize it. The album is alot further off than we hope in my opinion. here's hopeing I'm wrong.

this is a really interesting question.

I think it depends on when a release is coming. If nowhere in sight, I think we will only hear what we have heard so far.

the press releases for these shows keep saying a whole bunch of new songs, but where have i heard that before, oh yeah, 5 years ago..

I don't think Axl wants us to hear any more new stuff unless it's the completed album version, from the album itself. these shows will be broadcsted, recorded, and all over the net before the fuckin show is over, so unless he's gonna release it sometime in the summer, why play new songs? At this point, I want to hear the album before I hear any more leaks, but, hell, you have to take what you can get, right, there are no guarantees

i wanna hear irs and better live.

I don't want WTTJ as the opener - at least not every night.

Speaking of which - I hope they don't have the same setlist for every show.

Yes, hope they do this 'UYI-tour style'!

UYI rehash starts now?? :nervous: :nervous:

Nothing but CD in it's entirety

Actually.. the first tour was AFD... the next one is UYI.. the next (in2010) will be TSI.. and the NEXT will be Chinese Democracy.

Only.. by then Axl wont wanna tour.. or release it.. so.. were fucked

I'm waiting until 2008 for the Lies rehash tour. I cant wait for Robin and Richard to blow our minds while they do Nice Boys. :rofl:

I wanna hear them do Civil War. The lyrics are particularly appropriate to the current state of the world...

SG

I hope its mostly new stuff, but as long as I don't hear Axl say "Give me some reggae" I'll be happy

I can only see songs like SCOM feeling a little tired and laboured this time around. On the last tour it was all about seeing Axl performing again after all those years, but since then we've been waiting four years for him to get Chinese Democracy out and we need something fresh and different from 2002 or they'll just be seen as a cabaret act if they come back with the same old same old every tour. Hopefully some of the classics will be revamped like some were to a certain extent last time. Cyber punk version of Rocket Queen please, Axl!? : ok:

They're going to have to give it some at Download against the likes of Metallica, Tool and Prodigy, so I'm not sure if November Rain is going to fit the bill there.

During 2002 GnR played some new GnR songs and alot of old material. Now that GnR have more new material, then it makes sense to drop some of the older songs from the set list, and while the new GnR will be performing as much new material as possible, i don't think they have enough new material to fill a whole set. Besides which, the fans still want to hear some of the old tracks. Taking into account the 2002 tour, what tracks should stay and what tracks should go?

Tracks to Stay:
Sweet Child O'mine
Nightrain
Welcome to the Jungle
Rocket Queen [one of my all time favourite GnR songs]
It's So Easy [no GnR gig is complete without this track]


Tracks to Go:
Patience [this song is so slow and kills live gigs  ;D ]
Knocking on Heavens Door [i really do not like this song]
November Rain [a good track but an epic track that is not as epic as the new material]
You Could be Mine [as much as i like this track, it is not so important]
Don't Cry [on record this track is No.1 on record - Live, it never sounds right]


Tracks to Add:
Estranged [i don't think the new GnR have performed this song]

November Rain not as epic as new material? None of the new songs are epic. There Was A Time is maybe a mini-epic and Madagascar has an epic feel, but is not long enough to be considered an epic. An epic is long and has loads of different parts, so November Rain is way more epic than all the new material. It will stay, and I'm glad, although I would prefer to hear Estranged. You forgot to mention Paradise City - its has to be there - its their best live song. I think both UYI covers LALD and KOHD should go. There are loads of tracks from UYI I would like to hear, but I guess the only ones I want which I'm likely to hear are November Rain, Don't Cry and You Could Be Mine, maybe Estranged or Civil War, so I'd like to hear all them. Along with the five AFD songs you mentioned + Paradise City and maybe Patience or Used To Love Her, that would be enough old stuff. I want at least half the set to be new stuff. Afterall, I don't pay e64.50 to see a tribute band at the RDS.

Paradise City has to stay aswell because thats tradition closing on Paradise City.

1. WttJ
2. Nightrain
3. Better
4. The Blues
5. Rocket Queen
6. Madagascar
7. Catcher in the rye
8. It?s so easy
9. November rain
10. Get in the ring (dedicated to...=)
11. NEW SONG
12. IRS
13.November rain
14. KOHD
15. NEW SONG
----------------------------------------------------
16. Estranged
----------------------------------------------------
17. Paradise City

Now, wouldn?t that be nice?

Why only 12 songs? ???

They should keep Jungle as opener, Paradise City as encore and NR somewhere there in the middle. From the UYI-covers they should keep Knockin' and Live and Let Die. Knocking because I wanna be singing "Knocking on heavens door" back to GN'R in Helsinki and Live and Let Die because it rocks :) Everything else new stuff.

Welcome to the Jungle
It's So Easy
Civil War
You Could Be Mine
Don't Cry
November Rain
Sweet Child O' Mine
Patience
Rocket Queen
Estranged
Nighttrain
Paradise City
Nice Boys
Dead Horse

& some new songs

the blues
TWAT
IRS
Better
Chatcher in the rye
chinese democracy
madagascar
oh my god

& more from chinese democracy

estranged & november rain + new songs.

How could i forget Paradise City. Doh!

1. Welcome to the Jungle
2. Chinese Democracy
3. Better
4. The Blues
5. Live and Let Die
6. Don't Cry
7. Patience
8. Catcher in the Rye
9. Estranged
10. Knockin on Heaven's Door
11. Madagascar
12. IRS
13. Sweet Child O' Mine
14. Nighttrain
15. November Rain
-----------------------------------------
16. Yesterdays
17. New Song
18. There Was a Time
19. Something that hasn't been played live much like Coma/Sympathy for the Devil/Since I Don't Have YOu
20. Paradise City

Welcome To The Jungle
Better
It's So Easy
Mr. Brownstone
Live And Let Die
Knockin' On Heaven's Door
  If I remember correctly, the new GN'R recorded four different versions of this song, maybe they could play different versions each concert...
The Blues
November Rain
Madagascar
Sweet Child O' Mine
I.R.S.
There Was A Time
You Could Be Mine
Estranged
Patience
Nightrain
Don't Damn Me
Paradise City

----------------------------------------------------------
Encore

Don't Cry
Chinese Democracy
Catcher In The Rye

Yes!
Catcher in the rye as the end song! Haven?t thought about that one, great!

We, the audience can chant "na-na-na-na-na-na-na"..........brilliant. Absolutely brilliant!

My setlist:

Welcome to the Jungle
It's So Easy
Mr. Brownstone
Chinese Democracy
Live and Let Die
Better
My Michelle
Sweet Child O' Mine
Madagascar
November Rain
Rocket Queen
Out Ta Get Me
I.R.S.
The Blues
Catcher In The Rye
(Encore):
Nightrain
Paradise City

Ali

Listen to Don't Cry - Live Era...  : ok:

hmm I already posted on this but since we've heard more songs now...

01. Welcome to the Jungle
02. It's So Easy
03. Chinese Democracy
04. You Could Be Mine
05. Better
06. Rocket Queen
07. Sweet Child O' Mine
08. The Blues
09. November Rain
10. I.R.S.
11. There Was A Time
12. Don't Cry
14. Madagascar
15. Patience
16. Catcher in the Rye
17. Estranged
18. Nighttrain
19. Unreleased Track (Strongest Rocker)
20. Paradise City

1- Welcome To The Jungle
2- It's So Easy
3- Mr. Brownstone
4- Better
5- I.R.S.
6- I hope something new....hehehehehehehe
7- Knockin' On Heaven's Door
8- Sweet Child O' Mine
9- A fuckin' awesome Buckethead's solo ('cause Buckethead is gonna to be there ?;) )
10- Madagascar
11- Catcher In The Rye
12- November Rain
13- The Blues
14- Chinese Democracy
15- You Could Be Mine (I hope that better than RIR III and all 2002 tour)
16- My Michelle
17- There Was a Time
18- Paradise City

There's no way in hell that they're going to go out there and play the entire album straight through, especially if its not out yet.

They absolutely have to play the following songs at a bare minimum:

Jungle
SCOM
Paradise City
November Rain
Patience
Its So Easy
Mr. Brownstone

 1) JUNGLE
 2) EASY
 3) BROWNSTONE
 4) IRS
 5) ROCKET QUEEN
 6) LIVE AND LET DIE
 7) BETTER
 8) THE GARDEN
 9) PATIENCE
10)CIVIL WAR
11)NOVEMBER RAIN
12)YOU COULD BE MINE
13)MADAGASCAR
14)OH MY GOD
15)CATCHER IN THE RYE
16)SWEET CHILD
17)TWAT
18)NIGHTRAIN
19)THE BLUES
20)CHINESE DEMOCRACY
21)ESTRANGED
22)PARADISE CITY

I would love to see this setlist (i wont put new unheard songs).

1. Its So Easy
2. Nightrain
3. Yesterdayz
4. Better
5. TWAT
6. Welcome to the Jungle
7. Madagascar
8. Knocking on Heavens Door
9. Rocket Queen
10. The Blues
11. I.R.S.
12. Used to Love Her
13. November Rain
14. Chinese Democracy
15. Dont Cry
16. You Could Be Mine
17. Catcher in the Rye
18. Patience
19. Civil War
20. Paradise City


 :peace:

Strongest Rocker - That's a new one to me  :hihi:

How 'bout:


Chinese Democracy
Welcome to the Jungle
You Could Be Mine
Mr. Brownstone
Don't Cry
NEW SONG (ROCKER)
Catcher in the Rye
Civil War
I.R.S.
Dead Horse
Sweet Child O'Mine
There Was a Time
NEW SONG (ROCKER)
Yesterdays
Nightrain
Patience
Better
Rocket Queen

Encore:

Estranged
NEW SONG (EPIC)
Paradise City

They could knock out live and let die and KOHD-I'm just tired of the covers-Guns had too much great material written-would it surprise anyone to hear only 2 illusion songs on the setlist, maybe even 1-November Rain? I would love to hear Estranged, of course

Welcome to the Jungle
You could be Mine
Rhiad and the Bedouins
Patience
Catcher in the Rye
Chinese Democracy
Madagascar
The Blues
Right Next Door to Hell
Back off Bitch
Rocket Queen
T.W.A.T.
Move to the city
Better
I.R.S.
Paradise City

Welcome to the jungle + all new + paradise city

do u think the set list will be basically the same every show like in 2002 or will it be more mixed up and spontanious?


 :peace:

1 can only hope it will be more spontanius....

I dont wanna hear Paradise City as the last song.. It doesn't work anymore. I mean, it's just a song among the other ones, but with the old band it was something special and a good way to end the sets. But I wanna hear Back Off Bitch.. Axl's new voice would be perfect for that.

I am just so sick of those two songs, the boots, the old shows, the illusions... We have heard the upbeat version from the illusion tours, the slower version during the last tour... Totally sick of these covers.. I hope they either add two kick ass covers we never heard or drop covers all together being the wait for new material has been so long.. What do you think..?

i hope they`ll play them. axl is simply amazing on live and let die and i love the song in general.

kohd is an awesome song as well and especially the new version is great imo.

they should drop most of the afd songs +  patience/ you could be mine and play more illusion song though....

fuck that enough with covers, you have a huge list of songs..  Those songs are played to death..

Ditch heavens door - LALD gets the crowd going and is one of the few songs that "new"GNR ?can play and blows the shit out of the old band.

What is the point of the Heavens Door version the played in 2002? It was a poor decision, if you are not going to play the GNR version - ?don't bother, because it put the crowd to sleep.

I also hope that they will play more new material. the problem here is that if you don't get bitten by the dog, you get scratched by the cat. If they play mostly new material, especially at the festivals where lots of people won't be die-hard fans, they will be critiqued for it. People want to hear the old stuff so they can sing along. I can already smell the criticism, about the crowd not enjoying themselves, the new band not being able to play the old stuff (that's why they play all new songs). If they do play a lot of the old stuff, critics are going to call the band a cover band, just riding on the legacy of the name. You cannot please everybody. I think we will hear a mixture of old and new material, with an emphasis on the new songs. I expect a setlist not unlike 2002, but with stronger new songs (I mean Silkworms, come on  ::) ). I'm afraid that KOHD and LALD will be included. Sorry Mike.

BTW I agree with you on KOHD, but I just can't get enough of LALD  : ok:

Sorry Mike, absolutely not. ?Axl does LALD better now (from what I saw on the '02 tour) than he did back in the "glory days." ?Waaaaay more powerful now.

Personally, I agree on KOHD, but when I saw them in '02, my buddy's favorite was KOHD, hands-down. ?So, I think there's a segment of the population that needs KOHD.

 :peace:

I'm really sick of Patience and You Could Be Mine (Brain kills it) and also Live & Let Die is annoying now, but I'd like to hear KOHD live, either version

you asked me about my opinion.... :hihi:

wttj is also played to death.....

seriously, i like those songs and would love to see them live.... i never attended a gnr concert by the way.....

if they drop the songs i named and play 2 and a half hours, there`s a lot of space left for some more illusion songs and a bunch of new songs : ok:

I just feel if this band will be around a while why not drop those covers this time around and give new shit.. How many times have people said oh I'd love to hear axl sing this or that.. We all heard those two for the past 15 years already.. Let up a bit change some shit around.. I'll take mosly new music too, just want a few standards like wttj pc scom and maybe NR NT then eevrything else caa be new

I also wonder if being BH is out if they are able to play all the new songs he did big parts on??

being you are sixteen this must be special to you.. You could have heard oh my god first as a 9 year old as your first post gnr experience.. FUnny how two people could be seeing the same lineup and one feels they will be seeing gnr and the othr feels they are seeing axl rose :hihi:

At least with wttj it's gnr's music ,give dylan and wings a rest

Agreed.

I'm all for new original materials. :peace:

i wonder about that, too.....   but i guess they`ll manage that somehow...
our speculation won`t change a thing anyway, i guess we have to rely on axl in regards of the setlist..... :hihi:

but it strikes me though, how lald and kohd annoy you, but you`re fine with otgm tay and all those other antiquated songs they played in 2002.....

I don't care if they play anything from the new or old gnr material, I am just sick of those covers already.. Covers are things that culd change.. ANything afd will always be fine by me ,it is guns n roses' top album

well, if it comes down to it i don`t even care if they play lald and kohd or not :hihi:

but i do separate between the new and the old gnr,  even when i never experienced the old gnr.... it`s not that i consider this band as the original gnr.......

But for you I wouldn't even think it was wrong if you loved the new band more because you were basically raised or grew up as this being them.. It's like someone getting into sabbath after ozzy left, or getting into vh after dlr left..

Regardless of the reasons I like axl rose and he's always been my favorite singer so I will see him live again... I won't be like 18 years ago saying gnr is here woo hoo, I'll be like some of the other nostalgic fucks just going to hear their favorite singer perform.... new music old music it should be another good time

if there was no new band, i definitely would not be a gnr fan now i think.... all my hopes are on CD : ok:

but i got into gnr with the old band though... i didn`t even know about the new band and chinese democracy until 2003 and that was when i started to visit gnr messageboards and became a "hardcore" fan....

i guess it`s not that easy to get into the new band after being a fan of the old one for 15+ years anyway.....

  Since 87 to be exact.. Loved jungle the first time I heard it.. I know people,older then me dig the new band, for me though I am into axl rose, and I am very interested in where the gnr name goes.. It's not as easy as it seems to just get into the band this way.. I'll be honest if they had used a new name I could have adjusted a littl easier.. Imagine being a fan for so long then going to a concert and looking up onstage, it's mindblowing because you already know what gnr is and who made them huge.. Very tough to have one of the members off the cross as your only member and still call it gnr..  As I've said a million times I will support axl rose, he could switch the band 4 more times and I would still be into what he does, but unless more ex members came back I would never see it as gnr..  It would be like paul saying I hired some guys this is now the beatles... Doesn't flow like that for me..

i want to hear more new songs then anything. I wouldnt care one bitt if they didnt play the older songs. The band gets so much shit on them its time ti show them that they oplay just as good if not better then the old band.

half old, half new..............i want to hear songs like civil war, estranged, coma - more illusion songs from the new band, not only appetite please!

when axl still calls this band gnr, he has to play old songs.........

If I had cd I could better decribe what I'd like to hear

even without CD i know that i`d like to hear madagascar, the blues, twat, rhyiad, better, CD, IRS, oh my god and citr :hihi:

Not a lot of people would like to listen to  Silk worms.. that's cool...  :hihi:

i don`t hate it, but i don`t love it either :hihi:

Why? Is there such a rule?

I hear the pigeonhole business has been so serious in America, which is holding back longstanding bands from promoting their new releases. Once a band is branded a "classic rock band" for having had a big hit album more than a decade ago, it's not allowed to change or evolve.The classic radio stations play mostly the songs off classic albums and neglect the new ones, so that people expect these bands to play the familiar classic tunes of 1~ 4 decades. That's not really what these bands want.

That should change. Or maybe it's changing?

here's the truth , most american fans go to shows to hear the classics not the latest thing the band threw together...  I'm not saying all or all the music shoule be old but you do have a time period when you were super famous and those hits were huge that people want to hear that...
how many super famous bans release new material that barely sells yet their cincerts are sold out ,just shows people are there for their favorite tunes..You can say the new material sucks but many bands make it years later on past achievments

Mike I think my post is explaining why "the truth" in your post is there.

no there is not such a rule............

and it`s also not about changes in the band or not. if axl decides to give concerts under the gnr name, most people are definitely expecting to hear some of the old songs : ok:

i`m expecting old songs as well by the way....

that was actually pretty good.

well the setlist is chained to the fact that CD is released by Rio or not... :hihi:

If not, we are might only about to expect the 2002 setlist. Maybe a little less appetit and a little more illusions.
BUT... if CD is out i expect the following "dream setlist"

Nightrain
Chinese democracy
Mr. Brownstone
Better
new Rocker
Dead horse
new Rocker
The Blues
November rain
Better
Twat
another piano style ballad
Civil War
Jungle
Knocking on heavens door
Perfect crime
Madagascar
Paradise city

encore: Estranged (yes motherfuckers .... : ok: )
I.R.S
the single as the new all time classic closer

Damn, I know Better rocks.  But 2 times??????????

uups listed better twice. Let's replace it with Coma!!! :peace:

My dream setlist would be ?

Better
Estranged
The Garden (special guest Alice Cooper)
14 years
IRS
Dont Cry (alt Lyrics)
Yesterdays
Civil War
madagascar
TWAT
Catcher In the Rye
Dead Horse
Its so easy
Coma
Paradise City
Welcome to the jungle
Sweet Child of mine
and to end ............................, Patience...... lol ?: ok:

I guess you didn't make sense of my post Warose. :-\  I'm not talking just about a member change.

I saw some legendary band commenting on their set list just for the American audience to cope with the situation I wrote above. They divided a show into two parts, ie the first part for their classics and the second  for their new release.

Anyways a few oldies for encores I wouldn't mind.

Beside the standards I would like to hear:

My Michelle
Think About You
Anything Goes
Rocket Queen
Dust N`Bones
Yesterdays
Pretty Tied Up
Estranged

IRS
Better
There Was A Time
Catcher In The Rye
Chinese Democracy

So I guess they have to play at least 3 hours ;D

I understand people wanting to hear alot of the newer stuff esp. the older GNR fans, btu there are a ton of younger fans who have been been huge fans for many years without much of a chance to see gnr live... I Think for that reason I want a vast majority of the set list to be classics. I'm sure IRS rocks live, but its a lifelong dream to see PC, SCOM....etc live.

i'm here to prove otherwise.

welcome to the jungle
new song
Sex Type Thing (stp cover)
its so easy
chinese democracy
new song
the blues
novemver rain
madagascar
new song
estranged
dead horse
you could be mine
rocket queen
double talkin jive
new song
nighttrain

encores
new song
paradise city



you better do this one once axl!

I dunno ... GNR fans seem to be the only fans i have come across that worry so much about how the media and other people will percieve New GNR/ CD. 

It's not like it's all about one album.  It's now about how he stamps originality and the quality of his song writing and performances.  It's not like if CD fails to top the sales of Illusions that its a failure.  It's about it being an awsome record of integrity and quality.  I couldn't care less if it's number one album or not. I know alot of money has been spent and time.. but thats nothing to do with us.  We haven't lost anything, it's not our money lol. If Axl Rose wants to put out 1 or 10 albums he will and i hope he will start working faster because he has so much talent.  So much time has gone.

And i don't think it matters if the albums out b4 the tour or after it.  Aslong as Axl turns up and the band sound on top form.  That's all that matters.  Really speaking they should play ALL new songs with an encore of old stuff.  To be a true artist/new band, they should perform all of CD in smaller venues.  And build it up. But as they are playing festivals of course that is different. They will of course play the songs people love. But still, it should be less about nostalgia and more about where he is now.  It's going to be kick ass. 

Well I'm hell bored so

Out Ta Get Me
Mr Brownstone
It's So Easy
Better
IRS
Chinese Democracy
You Could Be Mine
Patience
Dead Horse
There Was A Time
Somthing new I havn't heard yet
Catcher In The Rye
November Rain
Sweet Child O Mine
Madagascar
Don't Cry (Alt lyrics)
The Blues
Welcome To The Jungle
Knockin' On Heaven's Door
Somthing New
Paradise City

These two tracks are two of the most powerful and fantastic songs in the GNR catalog. Yet, I can't recall too many times they actually played them live.
I'm hoping on this tour that these two songs will be included in every set-list. 

Do you guys agree?
Are there any other ones that they usually don't play ( and I mean the 2002 tour as well), that you wanna see them go after this time around?

Wrong Frickin Section.

I've long said Coma should be the closer to every show...

But I don't know if Axl can hit the last two minutes of coma anymore........

I would love to hear 'em to do Civil War for a couple reasons. One, it's just a kick ass song. Two, It's hugely political, and I think that it still has tons of meaning what with the whole Iraq War.  It could be a good statement from Axl to do that song.

You are correct my friend. I was listening the other day and thought the same thing about the similarities to today.

Well ironically that also tells us that music doesn't change the world. :-\

John Lennon and George Harrison basically changed the world with their music.

I think that the next shows will have no news for us ...   :no:
The same setlist of Rock in Rio 2001, Mini World and USA tour...
The will play the old song with Madagascar, Chinese Democracy, The BLues, sometimes Oh My God and Rhiad and Bedouins and maybe BETTER...

When the album really will be for sale  they will do a new show playing a lot of new songs...
I think that the next show will be just to AXL say  "Hi, I'm backing and that is my new band" :peace:
JUST MY opinion ...   :hihi:

We need wait to see  : ok:

 

You're crazy.. the new guys would be upset if they couldn't jam out at least 5-6 new songs this tour at every show. I am sure they want to show off their original work pretty bad.

Do you think any of them would question Axl when he tells them what they are playing?

I'm sure they would be like "common, man. we been working on these tracks for 4 years, lets play them to the audience." But, if Axl was like "shut the fuck up, I am the authority figure, we will play all of Appetite for Destruction." Then maybe they would cowher and go sit in the corner like a chastised child. :hihi:

I think you are wrong. I think you're gonna see just about all of the 9-10 newer songs played each concert, with some classics thrown in.
Now more than ever, it's time to prove what this new band is all about -

ALL NEW SONGS.

I would love to hear a ton of new songs and a few oldies.  But let's be serious here, it's probably going to be the exact same set it was in 2002, maybe a few tracks different.  There is no way they're playing anything from UYI that they didn't play before.  It won't happen.

GN'R do NOT play any old tracks on tour. I'm thinkin Axl just wants to move on with the new band and just play all New material. what do yall think? or am i high? :confused:

I think they will do a total opposite to last tour and play a lot of new songs.

However yeah dude I think you are high thinking they won't play any  :)  :smoking:

I think they will play more new songs as they go.. just a few for these first shows, not to ruin the surprise  : ok:

I wonder if he will speak a lot at these shows or leave most of the talking to RIR  ???

or maybe they'll just play 2 old tracks only. :P

I would expect mostly new stuff. ?But I can't imagine them not playin Welcome to the Jungle, Paradise City, Sweet Child, November Rain. ?At least the staples, then the rest new material.

If CD is about to come out, I would think it would be 50/50.

They HAVE to play:
WTTJ
SCOM
PC
NR

Well since Chinese is supposed to have 13 tracks, you can definetly count on them playing old songs.

I say 10 old and 10 new.

Im getting for the old.

WTTJ
Its so easy
Mr B
Night Train
PC
SCOM
Patience
YCMB
Nov Rain
KOHD

New songs
CD
Maddy
Blues
IRS
TWAT
CITR
Better

and three other new ones

I'm tipping one non-single/GH old song like Locomotive. That song would suit his voice as well as the sound of the band I think.

Anyway would be cool to rotate one fans favourite for each show that isn't on GH like Locomotive, Breakdown, Estranged etc.

I'd love tp hear "Locomotive." BH would have done a killer job w/that!  :crying:

I'm expecting 10 songs from Appetite For Destruction.
One from Lies.
Two originals from UYI, plus the two covers.
And 3-4 "new" songs that were debuted in 2001.

Hopefully I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
Just because you WANT something to happen doesn't mean it will.

Are you a fucking moron?  Locomotive?  They won't play something that obscure.  And Slash is the only guy who could even play that song to begin with.

Estranged would be cool.  But don't count on it.

it would be unfair not to play most the old songs and most the essential songs... if CD is as good as it is supposed to be then the band will live long enough and tour enough to play more new songs in the future. There's a lot of young fans that waited too long hear some of the essential songs live. Using the Guns name stands for respecting the older music and it's credibility. I'm just saying I cuold care less if I die and dont hear twat live, but if I die without seeing PC live I will throw a fit.

you mean your ghost will throw a fit? hahah

so anyway: I think they will play some of the newer songs they did on the last tour and maybe 2-3 others. If I were Axl I would not want most of the new material that is about to be released to have been heard already, not to mention the chance of it being bootlegged and thrown all over the internets!

The people going on these shows want the old songs, and they're gonna get it.

Axl isn't dumb, he knows that shows won't sell if he doesn't at least play some old songs.

And I don't get some peoples opinions, why do you think Axl is ashamed of his past or something. Axl is probably really excited about getting back on stage and singing Jungle again etc...

I dont think he'll play anything that we dont already know - expect Better, IRS and TWAT + the new ones from 2002 , Im doubtful of CITR

not really....

of course they`ll play old songs, but axl didn`t work the last 7 years just on those 13 songs slated for CD. there are AT LEAST the 32 songs axl talked about to rolling stone and probably tons more.

i just hope they throw in comething diff from the 02 tour.. 2 or 3 new songs other than blues, maddy ect.. and maybe 2 o3 old songs that they didn't play in 02.. would love pretty tied up.. or move into the city..

i don't like to hear these songs:

Mr Brownstone
Rocket Queen
Think about you
Patience
Live and let Die
Knockin

some of you are still wining over the fact thats BH is gone. get over it! i never liked his style anyway. no gimmicks in gnr please!

From Appetite: WTTJ, Mr Brownstone, It's So Easy, Nightrain, Paradise City, SCOM, Rocket Queen
Lies: Patience
UYI I & II: NR, You Could Be Mine, Estranged
CD (from wats known): The Blues, Better, TWAT, IRS, CITR

Really what I'd like to see played there!

WTTJ, SCOM, Paradise, Mr. B from AFD

Estranged, Dont damn me (I fuckin love it! :D), KOHD, Dont Cry, civil war(and maybe 14 years (it fits nice in times like this :P:D)) from the illusions

and a couple of unheard songs + IRS, better, TWAT, CD an the blues from Chinese democracy

That would in my opinion be awsome! sorry if my english sucks btw

i have a theory for ya.buckethead is gone.they MIGHT be adding a 3rd guitarist,and this is what i read on therockradio.com

The Queen + Paul Rodgers tour ended on Thursday, April 13th, in Vancouver, British Columbia. There's no word on what May and drummer Roger Taylor will do next, while Rodgers has begun announcing solo dates.

that means brian is free to do whatever he wants too.plenty of time to rehearse with GNR.although i dont believe this i just thought id say it anyway  :peace:

Appetite: Jungle, It's So Easy, My Michelle, Sweet Child O' Mine, Rocket Queen, Nightrain

UYI 1: Dust N' Bones, Dont Cry, Perfect Crime, You Aint The First, Double Talkin' Jive, November Rain, The Garden

UYI 2: Civil War, 14 Years, Yesterdays, Breakdown, Locomotive

Lies: Patience

TSI?: Down On The Farm

Chinese Democracy: CD, Madagascar, The Blues, Better, Catcher

ENCORES:

Paradise City
There Was A Time
This I Love....  :peace:
Coma :o

- 7 songs from Appetite
- 13 songs from the Illusions
- 1 song from Lies
- 1 COVER song from TSI?
- 7 songs from Chinese Democracy : ok: : ok:

= 29 songs, and pretty much everyones happy from all generations, only problem is that, that would be like a 3 and a half hour show at least :hihi:

i wouldnt mind staying for the 3 and a half hours as long as axls voice did.itd be pretty boring if axls voice said fuk it after 2 hours.

I hope they can change things around, I wouldn't want a generic setlist for every show.  Maybe they change Estranged for Civil War every other show, or play Ain't It Fun instead of DOF.  I can dream can't I? :hihi:

I say start off w/ My Michelle and do a few from UYI then all the new stuff

I hope it is mostly new songs; to do the 2002 set list again would be lame. Anyone remember August 1991 when Axl ranted about playing new songs because doing AFD would be like "jerking off"? Well, here ?it is, 15 years later, so let's have some new music and not the same ?old ?same ?old (despite its brillance).

Plus, does anyone notice a disconnect between the type of music then and now? It is two different styles. If he plays new and old stuff it will be one schizophrenic show.

its time for axl to dust himself off and get his voice in order and give us one in a million.

get in the ring wouldnt go amiss either.


locomotive and coma are musts. but the chances are remote to say the least.

I would weep with joy if Brian May came out onstage at the RDS and played Catcher in the Rye with Axl...

SG

i would weep if brian may came onstage at the rds.


after sitting through bullet for my valentine, brian may is the last thing id need.

I would weep with joy if Slash comes out onstage and plays November Rain's solo properly.

well, id expect to hear jungle, paradise city, and november rain. after that, im not sure. i think they will pull out some different songs like civil war, but we can expect more new stuff.

yea, id expect at the minimum 4 or 5 new songs, maximum 6 or 7. the rest pretty much sticking to the set of 2002. hopefully he keeps in the more minor tunes like think about you, crazy and adds to them with some of the hidden illusion numbers like dead horses. but id doubt it. it'll more than likely be a straight ahead greatest hits package outside of the new tunes.


but we must have one in a million! and coma!
we must!

One in a Million? ?I hope so too, but keep dreaming. ?Then again, wasn't the reason they never played it because Slash refused to? ?That's no longer a problem.

They've played it several times...

Really?  I just remember an old Slash interview where he says he would never play it live. 

I bet most of us have OIAM live on boots or on the pcs. 
I don't see the band playing it now, nor do I hope so. :P


A show of just new songs will be schizophrenic enough. To my satisfaction hehe.  :hihi:
Don't you notice the dissimilarity between the new songs. Each song is distinct from the others. No band ever has enjoyed this dynamism.  :yes:

Ditto to the rest of your post.
When they're about to release the album(s), they play as many new songs as possible.
Even if they're not, it can't be the same set as 'the 02 shows.

I seriously think opening night is going to start out with "WTTJ" or a song we haven't heard at all yet.

Just imagine how fucking electric it will be when the lights dim... :drool:

Obviously, the last tour leaned far too heavily on the old material, and this time out I'd really like that changed - Hence forth, I nominate these songs to get cut altogether:

November Rain
Live and Let Die
My Michelle
Rocket Queen
Mr. Brownstone
Out Ta Get Me
Nightrain

I was going to nominate KOHD and Think About You, but I really liked how the new band played them in 2002... So I'm fine with those staying on. As for the others, they're worn out and don't add anything to the shows - We've heard them a million times before, and they take away valuable time. And don't get me wrong, RQ is one of my favorite GNR tracks - But it's not a necessity as a live track.

And yes, songs like NR and Nightrain are anthemic and fan-faves, but cutting it out of the show would make room for at least 3 new songs. I've never been fond of either one, actually.

KOHD
YCBM
Think About You
LLD

Live and Let Die is worth keeping for Axl's scream alone.

 :o :o :o :o

My Michelle
Out ta Get Me
Brownstone
Its so Easy
YCBM
Rocket Queen
Think About You

Ahh preety much all the old songs.. They should just keep WTTJ, SCOM, PC and November Rain

NO MORE KOHD OR LALD, make new covers for god?s sake!

they should add Estranged and Locomotive and that?s it.. The rest new songs

no more old gnr songs. leave that shit in the past or for a reunion

They need at least WTTJ, SCOM and PC

I wouldnt be happy if I went to a GNR show and didnt hear these 3

then they can rotate the other 3 old songs

KOHD- This song has to be retired

Nightrain- Finck kills the vine of this song with his horrible backing vocals. Makes it sound amateurish.

Think about You- I consider this filler on a GNR setlist. Play a new song instead.

Its so Easy- One of my all time fave GNR songs. But it does not fit with this new band.

Out Ta Get Me- Same reason as Its so Easy and Nightrain


I'm not really interested in hearing any of the old stuff, but the songs I listed really need to be removed from the setlist.

I'm curious as to how long their set will end up being.  Anyone know the curfew at Hammerstein?

Most of AFD. Leave Jungle and SCOM though.

With Axl there is no such thing as a curfew. He comes on stage when he wants, and leaves when he wants. Who's gonna stop him? Do they want a riot on their hands by making him leave the stage early? Axl will perform as long as he wants.

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

I rocked out to every old song in 2002

I'll post cuts from a set list when I have CD in my hands. 

I didn't like Think about You, Out ta get me, Mr. Brownstone, and Live and Let Die

Think About you, out ta get me, my michelle  - if they still want to play those sometimes they should be every 3rd or 4th show, less frequently i think...

knockin' and live and let die (they shouldn't be removed entirely but played much less often)

All old covers should be done away with...

All songs not written by Axl should be retired.. including Patience.


However, it's up to Mr. Rose and his new band to decide what to play, I'll take what I get.

Mr. Brownstone, My Michelle, Think About You, and Out Ta Get Me

Live & Let Die - (great cover, but give it a rest)
Knockin' On Heaven's Door - (see above reasoning)
Think About You - (filler on Appetite...filler live...then again, filler that most band wish was their hit)
Out Ta Get Me - (good, not great)
It's So Easy - (great, but done to death)
My Michelle - (good, not great)

And...yes...

November Rain - (allow Estranged to garner some love...or a new epic)



So that would leave Appetite's BEST six songs IMO.

Nightrain
Mr. Brownstone
Welcome to the Jungle
Sweet Child O'Mine
Paradise City
Rocket Queen

The only bit of Lies.

Patience

The sole Illusion survivor...and one of my top 3 GN'R songs.

You Could Be Mine

Previously heard CD tracks...still new, even if they are five or so years old.

Chinese Democracy
Madagascar
The Blues

And seven more songs (if the setlists are the same length as the '02 shows)

I'll have...

Better
There Was a Time
NEW SONG (rocker)
NEW SONG (epic)
NEW SONG (first single)

And top that off with...

Dead Horse
Estranged



And if I feel lucky and Uncle Axl decides to add 3 more tunes for his fans in NY...

Coma
Civil War
NEW SONG (rocker)

17 replies and no Silkworms joke?  This must be some sort of a record...

November Rain

"CUT" Mr. Brownstone???  WTF???  Um, NO.

I want Silkworms on.  Listen Motherfuckers to a song that must be Heard!

If I have to make cuts.  ummm.  Cut Chinese Democracy, Ryad, and Maddy.  I'd rather hear the classics any day.  You can all shoot me now

BANG!

If you'd cut all the new songs... Why hang out in the New-GNR area?

I'd like to see it like 50% classic 50% new.  Its hard to pick and choose what to cut.  I'm sure its going to be a kickass setlist in May  :smoking:

Live and Let Die. Knockin. Def. not Brownstone.. thats the shit right there. CD I could do without.. But that wont happen.

personally i would still like most of the setlist to be old material.. there is nothing worse than being at a show and not knowing the songs... obviously i'd like to hear some new material... and better, CITR, blues, and maddy.. i could do without CD, Rhiad, silk worms and OMG.. but keep the old tunes and mix in 3 never before heard songs..
if by some work of god we get the cd this summer and then they tour again next fall then i would be all for an updated setlist

Realistically, there's no way they're not gonna do November Rain. The following are pre-requisites for any GNR show:

WTTJ
Its So Easy
Brownstone
Nightrain
PC
SCOM
NR
YCBM
Patience
KOHD, even though its a cover.

So, depending on how long they play (2 hrs. is realistic) - there's no way in hell they're going to do 11 songs from Chinese Democracy as that would be pretty much the whole album, and there's no way in hell they're going to play new songs we haven't heard yet. The new songs you'll hear are (surprise):

CD
Blues
Maddy
IRS
Better
TWAT

That's technically six new songs, and for the start of the tour, that's plenty. I'm sure as the tour moves on and we get closer and closer to a release date, they'll add more new material to the set and phase some of the older stuff out. Although since they seem to be doing these shows exclusively for the diehards, maybe they'll take the opportunity to branch out a little more and play some stuff we haven't heard before (which would be more than welcome.)

Assuming they do 20 songs, I'd like to see a perfect balance: 10 old and 10 new, but it'd more than likely be 12-14 old and 6-8 new - somewhere in there.

That's the problem though, those songs may be GNR standards, but this new band has everything to prove - And they simply can't do that leaning on too many of the old band's songs like last time.

i think they should get rid of think about u.

They should cut You Could Be Mine and Think About You.

Songs like Jungle,November Rain,Paradise City are classic Axl tunes that I don't think should be cut. I think they also need to play Better and IRS :smoking:

Any song that will make way for a new song really.

Except for the hits, you pretty much need them.

I'd like the setlist to start off with fast-paced rockers (WTTJ, ISE) then move into slower rockers/ballads (SCOM, Better) and into balladry (Don't Cry, Patience, NR) then move into epics (TWAT, Estranged) then move into rockers again to finish the show (Paradise City and the likes).

I really wish there was more instability...more of a mix up...where each show is different...of course incl' the standards (WTJ, PS, SCOM, NR, YCBM)...but change it up!  Do any "high profile touring machines" still do that?  Or is everything just so, so that the lights are in sync' w/ the songs????  Shesh.

since this is somewhat of a fantasy thread then i wish.. gnr would play every new song they have recoed in the post old gun years and only the latest versions of these songs.lol i could only wish that would happen

They should cut most of Appetite from the setlist... just leave SCOM, PC and WTTJ

From Lies, just Patience
UYI's : NR and YCBM are the only they played on tour other then the covers.
That's 6 songs that are a MUST at any GNR show. 

Alot of people want more appetite songs played but I disagree.  I'd much rather hear some 'obscure' UYI stuff like estranged, coma, locomotive, civil war, breakdown, 14 years, dust n bones, don't cry or pretty tied up (not all of them but trade a few up every show).  At least for the NY shows since they're going to get the diehard fanbase, they should play the fan favorites that weren't hits.

Other then that, I really want to hear the new songs, but I'm really afraid that they're going to play different versions of the leaks that we won't know.  It'll be really wierd hearing songs that we thought we knew and they end up different.

cd: better, catcher, blues, general, prostitute, cd, madagascar, irs, twat (+ single) (9-10 songs)
appetite: wtj, pc, scom, nightrain, it's so easy (& maybe mr. brownstone)   (5-6 songs)
uyi: ycbm, locomotive, november rain (or estranged), kohd (4 songs)

sadly beautiful and bastards of young please.

I just saw the Black Crowes at the Hard Rock in Orlando in January, they didn't go more than 2 songs without huddling up to decide on what to play next. Bruce Springsteen never plays the same setlist from night to night, historically you get the more obscure tunes on the last night if he plays more than one date in a city. Dave Matthews is the same way.

It appears to be consistent with "Jam Bands" Pearl Jam is at that point also.

If I can choose any setlist for the May NYC shows, here is what I would go with...
Don't Damn Me
Mr. Brownstone
Chinese Democracy
Sweet Child O'Mine
You Could Be Mine
Knockin' on Heavens Door
It's So Easy
Patience
Live and Let Die
Madagascar
IRS
You're Crazy (lies version)
Coma
Guitar/Drum Solo
Rocket Queen
The Blues
Black Leather
There Was a Time
Welcome to the Jungle
Don't Cry
Estranged - Encore #1
Catcher in the Rye - Encore #2
Paradise City

You don't want any new songs added? I would love for him to unveil something new those nights.

Yeah, you're right.  I do want to hear some new ones.  Scratch Black Leather and Rocket Queen and throw in 2 new fuckers.

w 23 axl II's Set List Wish for May Shows:


Jungle
Better
Chinese Democracy
Nightrain
ISE
OMG
TWAT
Estranged
IRS
Madagascar
SCOM
The Blues
CITR
Patience
You're Crazy
YCBM
Rocketqueen
SOMETHING NEW
SOMETHING NEW
SOMETHING NEW
Paradise City

i want SOME old stuff, but i def. want new songs, and i de.f want OMG...that song rocks!!!!!!!!!

I like the idea of a block of new songs in a row. Perhaps axl could do this, and give a good backstory on each new song, as to what its about, when he wrote and why.

i just want something fresh....i was at the last two shows in 2002...and i will be at the first 2 new one's this may....i want something fresh, not Appetite again......ill take anything of course, but i want the new stuff.....i think Better and TWAT are AMAZING songs.....

Better, is just incredible actually. maybe even start the show with Better....hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

ok 1st i'd like to say that i lucked out so bad today. I get up and look on line at 9:30 and see that 2 more shows when on sale...THEN i was FUCK i'm not going to find tickets. But i ended up finding 2 tickets on the floor for the 14th :beer: i think each show will not be the same. on the 14th the set list could look something like this

Nightrain
So Easy
Brownstone
Oh My God
Better
You Could Be Mine
Sweet Child
Rocket Queen
Blues
November Rain
TWAT
Jungle
Think about you
Mad at nas car ;D
SEVEN
IRS
Don't Cry
You're Crazy
Paradise City

What you think sounds like i real setlist : ok:

If I got to handpick the setlist for the show I'm going to (May 12), it would go like this:


Chinese Democracy
You Could Be Mine
Mr. Brownstone
Live And Let Die
Nightrain
There Was A Time
Welcome To The Jungle
Used To Love Her
The Garden
Sweet Child O' Mine
The Blues
Civil War
You're Crazy (Acoustic)
Catcher In The Rye
Breakdown
November Rain
Bad Apples
Oh My God
It's So Easy
Yesterdays
Coma
Rocket Queen

Encore One:

Patience
Estranged
Don't Cry (Alternate Lyrics)

Encore Two:

Pretty Tied Up (dedicated to VR)
Locomotive
Better
Paradise City

Yes.....I KNOW it'll never happen.....thats why it's called a wishlist.

if would hand pick i would have them play
wttj
easy
mr. brownstone
rant CD date
new songx6
estranged
scom
new songx5
pc its a really good fucking closer
if they did this at the show i go to i would fucking kiss gods feet!!! even though ii dont really believe in him much really......

My picks for the setlist:

Welcome to the Jungle
Rocket Queen
Better
NEW SONG
NEW SONG
Knockin' On Heaven's Door
Yesterdays
Catcher in the Rye
NEW SONG
NEW SONG
Think About You
Sweet Child O' Mine
NEW SONG
The Blues
Paradise City

If we absolutely had to have another AFD track in there, I'd throw in Mr. Brownstone. So that's a total of 8 new songs, 5 if we discount the ones we've heard.

Maybe all this good news over the last two months or so has got me too optimistic but I am going to go with the assumption that CD will be released sometime during the European Tour or shortly thereafter. With this in mind I am hoping that over the course of the 4 nights in NYC the setlist will have some significant changes from night to night, and anyone who gets to go to all 4 shows will get to hear the entire CD, as this will be one of the few chances they will have for "Live Rehearsals"

umm i doubt it, as do i doubt a summer release, but i'd love to be proven wrong...

he should play GETR lol

ok, let's dream a bit:

01- Carmina Burana [Intro] (that intro would be killer)
02- Coma
03- Ain't It Fun
04- IRS
05- Breakdown
06- Catcher In The Rye [w/ Brian May]
07- Too Much Love Will Kill You [W/ Brian May]
08- Yesterdays
09- Silkworms
10- The Garden
11- Madagascar
12- Piano Solo / It's Alright [Intro] / November Rain
13- The Blues
14- Rhiad And The Bedouins
15- Kashmir [Intro (from ''Of father of the four winds'' to ''when moving through Kashmir'')] / Sweet Child O' Mine
16- Chinese Democracy
17- Welcome To The Jungle
18- Better
19- Estranged
20- The End (The Beatles) [Intro] / There Was A Time / Outro

 :peace:

if may came on stage to play citr with guns i would soil my self

I don't really think they should play any others besides the leaks except the new single so it will keep the album as fresh as possible.

in no particular order:

OLD SONGS: WTTJ, SCOM, Nightrain,Rocket Queen, PC, KOHD, NV, COMA, Civil War, YCBM
+ 10 New Songs including IRS, TWAT, Better.

So 20 Songs total, 10 new 10 old.

i want more new them old, if the didnt play any old songs i woldnt care. Ive waited so long to hear this band play the new songs. But then again i dont if they play she bang i just want guns to show up.

yeah, i wouldnt mind if they laid some of the old stuff to rest live (out ta get me hasn't aged very well), especially with cd coming out and new material to choose from

i want to hear more new guns song but ofcourse the old big guns.. scom wttj pc...and i really would like to hear dont cry the altarnate lyrics.  : ok:

Chinese Democracy from beginning to end. I'm sure plenty of you disagree, but I want one night of just the new album and whatever other new material GNR has accumulated.

Agreed, but start off with WTTJ just to remind us of the good times.  :smoking:

Seeing as Axl loves Roger Waters, he could do something ala Pink Floyd. On their 70s tours they would open with the new album (or unreleased stuff they were working on) then they'd take a break and do the last album, then break and do encores of favorites.

Obviously thats not a total option, but Axl could choose to do something along those lines.

Personally I think he should play my set.  ;)

I think GNR should open with "Better"

Lights go out the crowd is buzzing all of a sudden u hear
In a loop:
"no one ever told me when i was alone"
"no one ever told me when i was alone"
"no one ever told me when i was alone"


SILENCE

they just thought I knew Better....... Better

ALL OF A SUDDEN HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE PYRO

The song kicks in

The hardest part this troubled heart has ever yet been through now.........


rest of the setlist is optional but i think this opening would kick the WTTJ VMA openings ass.

I agree with that two, but I love that song *so much* that I really hope they save it for late in the show.

I think "Better" should be done early in the set.. maybe even the opener....

or if not it should be near the very end.

They should practice every song GNR has ever put out. Or most at least... And change the setlist up a bit every night. Why they need to play the same set every night is beyond my understanding. Pearl Jam have such a loyal following because of the bootleg value of live shows. Every one is different. GNR should do the same.

Yeah, well Axl has got to slowly fade out a lot of the songs he didn't write lyrically.. as he is the only remaining piece from the original band. I think he should try to do mostly Axl written songs from the Illusions.. with some Appetite classics blended in.

I hope we get at least 8 C.D tracks played.

There's so many great songs. It's hard to narrow it down.

Not sure what order to put these in:

Better
Nightrain
You Could Be Mine
Madagascar
It's So Easy
Used To Love Her
Oh My God
I.R.S.
Patience
TWAT
Breakdown
The Blues
Catcher in the Rye
Don't Cry
Rocket Queen
Out Ta Get Me
Paradise City


I like that idea too. Exclude huge pyro. Replace it with something less dangerous.  :)

I don't care what they play as long as they play Catcher In The Rye, Oh My God, Madagascar, and Out Ta Get Me.

Would gummy bears do.

I totally agree, having Better appear early in the set would be excellent, and I could see it as an opener on some nights. And despite my love of those opening notes to Jungle, it does seem to take its toll on Axl's voice, so switching it up on certain nights might not be a bad idea.

no dude you need they pyro in the opening song!!!!  I hope they dont play many old songs when i  go see them i really want to hear their new songs!

I think there is a "wish" setlist and a realistic one..

"Wish"

- Don't Damn Me
- Mama Kin
- Mr. Brownestone
- Garden of Eden
- IRS
- It's So Easy
- Better
- You're Crazy (Acoustic)
- Used to Love Her (Acoustic)
- Estranged
- SCOM
- Whole Lotta Rosie
- Breakdown
- Nighttrain
- TWAT

- Chinese Democracy
- Coma
- Paradise City

Realistic

- Perfect Crime
- Nighttain
- Madagascar
- IRS
- WTTJ
- Live & Let Die
- SCOM
- November Rain
- Better
- It's So Easy
- Oh My God
- Civil War
- Rocket Queen

- Chinese Democracy
- Paradise City

damn dude not many ppl want to hear a lot of the new songs.

Wish list:

CD
Blues
Mads
Better
TWAT
IRS
Prostitute
This I Love

WTTJ
Paradise City
SCOM
Nighttrain
Mr. Brownstone
It's So Easy
Rocket Queen

Don't Cry
Locomotive
Right Next Door To Hell

Patience

I would not be disspointed if November Rain or You Could Be Mine were not played.

Mofo
Discotheque
Untill the End of the World
Mercy
Angel of Harlem
Vertigo
Where the Streets have No Name
Stories for Boys

Oh... wait a minute. What tour are we talking about? :hihi:

Any order....

The Blues
Better
IRS
TWAT
Madagascar
Catcher In The Rye
Prostitute/New Song
Welcome To The Jungle
Estranged
Sweet Child O Mine
Rocket Queen
You Could Be Mine
Night Train
Its So Easy
Patience
Civil War
Yesterdays

I think we will see about 9 CD songs at least, so nearly the whole album.

 ? JB9988, I see you're new here. ? :hihi: ? Umm, yes, I think people want to hear new music like you wouldn't believe!

 ? I'm going to go out on a limb and say we're going to hear at least 1 new song...that's not a leaked demo song...just my guess. ?I'm thinking Maddy, The Blues, and CD are automatics. ?I hope to hell we'll hear IRS and Better. ?I don't think we'll hear There Was a Time :love: and Catcher :love: live just yet. ?No matter what, we're in for a great time!!!

PS, sorry Z, I'd be disappointed without YCBM. ?I like the new band's version better than the old. ?This is true of LALD as well. ? :yes:

HAHHHHAAHHAH OMFG DUDE THAT WAS SO FUCKING HILAROIUS!!!!!!   ROFLMAO  ::)

If I hear the entire Appetite album again Im gonna scream.

Its a great album but Id rather watch Paint dry than hear every single song but 2 from that album again.


WTTJ,PC,SCOM,RQ,Nightrain,Brownstone thats enough from that record.

Since VR did it i dont wanna hear Its So easy anymore either.

Its So Easy is one of my faves so I hope they keep playing that.

I like your opening idea above D.

I have feeling you are likely to see around 4 to 6 new songs, so not giving much away too soon.

ha ha : ok: ;D

Ya but VR don't do proper justice to the song.  Fraudboy on vocals just isn't the same  :smoking:

Yeah he should definitely have just as many or more new songs than old to perform now. Plus mix the old ones up. I miss songs like Estranged, Don't Cry, Civil War.......Basically the great old tunes he left out in 2002. I'd be very happy if each of the four Hammerstein gigs had a different setlist.

O.k. seriously heres' the old songs I'd like to hear and think there's an actual chance of hearing:

Jungle
Anything Goes
It's So easy
Nightrain

Dead horse
Live and Let Die

You Could be mine
KOHD
Civil War

I'm in the huge minority here but I've never really liked slow Gn'R songs(Patience, Don't Cry, November rain, Estranged) live. they just don't work for me.

You know personally after seeing Motley Crue who use pyro and seeing U2 and NIN who don't, I honestly think you can have a better effect with proper lighting than you can with big explosions. leave the loud explosions to the music and with a wicked light show you can have the same effect and in my opinion an even better effect. just my opinion.

Bono I totally agree with your opinion on the pyrotechnics issue.? ?

Over production of explosions and even lights can be obnoxious. The music is awesome enough to stand on its own. It doesn't have to hide behind explosions.


Possibly. Maybe dollar bills would be better.

I don't think we will hear many new songs we have not heard yet because the cd is not out yet and no date has been set yet. 

New

Madagascar
The Blues
Chinese Democracy
Riyadh And The Bedouins
Silk Worms
Oh My God
There Was A Time
Better
Catcher In The Rye
I.R.S

OLD

Welcome To the Jungle
It's So Easy
Mr. Brownstone
Sweet Child O' Mine
Out Ta Get Me
Nightrain
My Michelle
November Rain
Patience
Paradise City
You Could Be Mine
Rocket Queen

would love to hear Estranged. 

well now at least we dont need to ask for a setlist each show cause it will be the same one throughout the tour  :hihi:

i think for rio they'll shake it up abit, i imagine it'l be alot longer set they'll have to fill it somehow.

yea rios gonna be awesome! theres such a buzz going around!!! (pardon the pun)

agh u pets its gonna be the exact same setlist the whole fucking tour, he may change the order of 2 songs when he feels like running wild looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

i know what you saying but i'd hate to hear anymore of the album without actually having the album. but i agree he should def play more illusion stuff.

THe setlist you wanna hear the band play

1 my world
2 my world
1 my world
3 my world
4 my world
5 my world
6 my world
7 my world
8 my world
9 my world
10 silkworms
11 my world
12 my world
13 my world
14 my world
15 my world

^ plus encore: Silkworms ;)

trying to be serious

• Welcome To The Jungle
  Mr. Brownstone
  Right Next Door To Hell
  better
  Live And Let Die
  It's So Easy
  Yesterdays
  locomotive
  Civil War
  Patience
  You Could Be Mine
  November Rain
  My Michelle
  catcher in the rye
  Drum Solo / Guitar Solo
  Chinese Democracy
  Pretty Tied Up
  Rocket Queen
  Don't Cry
  Knockin' On Heaven's Door
  You Ain't The First
  Used To Love Her
  Madagascar
  Sweet Child O' Mine
  You're Crazy
  Out Ta Get Me
  irs
  nighttrian
  
  encore
  Dead Horse
  TWAT
  Estranged
  Paradise City

Oh yeah it;s also a 3 and half hour show!!!!

lol looks like they also have a quick acoustic set.

Gotta have it all

Welcome To The Jungle
New song
New song
New song
New song
New song
New song
New song
Sweet Child O' Mine
New song
New song
New song
New song
November Rain
New song
New song
New song
New song
New song
[Some old song]
New song
Paradise City

Since we have soooooooooo many threads on well I think they should perform that.... Oh wait no that....

Heres a universal thread for all you "experts" to post what songs you want them to perform and why...

I personally want Estranged.......................



BUT!

I will settle for all of Don't Cry not just the solo stuff.

And if this thread is already in exists I am sorry mods.


- Jimmer

Dead Horse.

catcher in the rye!  : ok:

anything new.

Anything new or Pretty Tied Up.

This thread already exists in several forms, but at the moment Id really love to hear:

Back off Bitch
Double Talkin' Jive
Civil War
Breakdown
Pretty Tied Up
& if theres time...

Locomotive! ;D

civil war
estranged
 : ok:

Sympathy For the Devil
Sympathy For the Devil
Sympathy For the Devil
Sympathy For the Devil
Sympathy For the Devil
Sympathy For the Devil
Sympathy For the Devil
Sympathy For the Devil
Sympathy For the Devil
Sympathy For the Devil
Sympathy For the Devil
Sympathy For the Devil
Sympathy For the Devil

would love to hear them do Locomotive
Perfect Crime
You're Crazy
Estranged
TWAT

 : ok:

Coma - with the new band they could use all the voice samples and the big screens they have to full effect.

Plus: News stuff that we've not heard yet

TWAT
Coma
Estranged
Right Next Door to Hell

i would kill for Don't Cry

Riyadh! :D

Apparently this song is on their list as an extra so.. I'm realistic.

Why are people wishing for OLD SONGS? I thought everyone wanted Axl to move on and start playing new songs and that way claim their place as a "new band"?

Im sure everyone does, it's just that the probability of hearing anything "unheard" before the North American tour, or before the album is finally released, isn't to hopeful or plausible :-\

catcher in the rye
the general
thyme

It has to be Coma : ok:

estranged

i wanna hear estranged

I wanna hear Estranged with 02' voice. ;D.

haha yeah and with 91 hair. i dont like the braids too much. his voice is good in 02 and 06!

and  the white hotpants too ;D.

its better than the jersey shirts.  the white hotpants and the army boots looks cool. its better than a braid hair and a jersey shirts.

look at your game, girl

adidas get more popular because of fred durst.maybe Axl want to do the same thing to the jersey shirt.

I think they should play their own songs already that would be awesome

Of the old songs, Locomotive.

Of the new - whatever tickles the band's fancy.

oh my god, silkworms (I like it a lot and it kicked ass at HOB) estranged, civilwar and they should not play live and let die and KOHD. 

Don't Cry
Estranged
Sympathy for the Devil
Pretty Tied Up (would have been cool when Izzy was jammin' with em)
Civil War

and drop

Live and Let Die
one guitar solo/the drum solo at least.

Have the guitarists take turns at each show... one night richard, one night robin, one night ron :P

civil war and estranged

I'm all for dropping KOHD & LALD.. Bland, not theirs, LALD was never a tremendous song to begin with. KOHD is cool when done in a minimalist way (ie. Dylan & an acoustic). But. I'd rather hear GnR do different covers or songs off "Lies".

Pretty Tied up would fit in well with thier sound. I wish they would stop playing KOHD -bring back OMG, y'know.  Civil War and Dead Horse are on my list aslo

tottaly Get rid of...

My Michelle
knockin on heavens door


add

more new songs every night
civil war
don't cry

(if you want to satisfy the die hards on the board rotate coma/estranged/breakdown)

alternate
patience/live and let die
brownstone/out to get me

coma, twat (more consistently), breakdown, one in a million

Estranged, Civil War, Don?t Cry, So fine, Yesterdays, Double Talkin Jive, Dead Horse and TWAT

get in the ring critic slam spazz during outta get me....
that goes for you tommy hilfiger
security guard
and Vancouver fans...
get in the ring muthafucker
and i'll kick your bitchy little ass

god thats really stinks.....

I want to hear Estranged..and i like Move to the city..

I live in nyc and just got back from the Madonna concert at MSG. She played mostly NEW songs from her NEW cd, and the show sucked b/c of it. (And she requested NO AIR CONDITIONING!!! IT WAS SOOOO HOT)


Anyway...I think Axl will be justified NEXT tour when he plays mostly Chinese and far less AFD. He CAN play those songs b/c we're all ready for this cd after waiting YEARS.

But Madonna has a new cd out every few yrs, she doesn't need to promote her new cd, but what does she do....play mostly new songs.


THATS WHY I AGREE WITH THE SET LIST RIGHT NOW. If you did not know GnR too well, and they play Don't Damn Me, or 14 Years...we would all love it, but the normal person would think the show sucked. That's what Madonna did tonight, mostly songs we could care less about.

Axl is ENTERTAINING us right now. Madonna should take a lesson from GnR on how to entertain. Regardless, the 2002 MSG GnR show and Hammerstein shows killed Madonna's show. GnR shall rule the world again!!

and why did you go see Madonna again?

Fiance forced me. She bought the tix, trust me...I didn't wanna be there. Although there are SOME songs I like.....Vogue, Hung Up...

who's Madonna ? soccer player ?

bleh...saw the madonna show at the great western forum...it was basically a circus act...people roller-skating around...its like turning an arena into a giant gay bar...

Civil War

Perfect Crime
Don't Damn Me

Get in the ring seems good..in theese days of Axl beeing arrested and so

" this goes out to all you punks in the law..."

TWAT and Catcher +anything off CD we haven't heard.

All the masterpieces that Axl seems to want to avoid-Estranged, Don't Cry, Yesterdays, Breakdown, Locomotive.

I'll pass on coma, since it's basically Slash's song.

i don't mind them playing KOHD. Honestly, if I go to a GNR concert, I want my chance to sing along to KOHD.

I think you're right.  I think about 80% of an audiance want to hear the classics, the best-known songs ...

Actually she's one of the greatest pop singers of all time.

If they did songs like Dont Damn Me or Bad Apples, most people will thinks its new songs.

don t damn me
dead horse
don t cry

My favourites are coma and estranged but I don t think there is any possibility to play these songs

When Gn'R hit the road for their leg of the US tour, do you think Gn'R will be playing only the new tracks they have played already, or do you think they'll have some new'er material  :peace:

/If they do have new'er material, i wonder if the usual leaks will happen before hand  :peace:

well....how much longer can they possibly play the same set list??


even if they only add in TWAT and CITR id be happy, and change some of the AFD?UYI song choices..

like, PLEASE drop: Knockin - i cant hear it anymore....

Idk. ?Im expecting the Kroq show to be the same setlist as it was in Europe, but after that, Im hoping for atleast 50-50, 10 new songs, 10 old songs

For a long long time.

Long.

The only reason i can think of for Gn'R not playing a number of the new tracks is simply down to Bumblefoot not being 100% on form. He is possibly tucked away practicing. I wonder if he will simply emulate Bucketheads recordings or possibly do his own thing 100%

What about the fact that there is no album?

And when I suggested before that the band should play all of CD with a few older songs in some shows many thought it was a terrible idea and that my idea made no sense. It's not what people want to hear.

So, enjoy the old songs, that's it. Let's see if these players can play the shit out of them.

Agreed, I would love to hear some different UYI songs thrown back in but I also think Bumble probably has to learn them completely before they can be added live. ?I can't even remember a show where they haven't played Knockin' (since that is the staple audience participation song) and they probably won't remove it, like they won't remove PC.

But the AFD revisted tour has to come to an end soon...

I think some more new songs will be added for sure over the US tour though but again I think it's probably because Bumble has to learn them totally, that is if he is going to continue with this band and that is how it seems at the moment...

I don't think Gn'R will pay anymore UYI songs that they havn't played already. It would be good if they did though.

Remember the Famous Last Words interview... where Axl says " I have to bury Appetite. I just have to already!!!!" Well... 15, 16 years after saying that.. he's playing an AFD dominated setlist. :hihi: :hihi:

don't think they will play 10 new and 10 old.. mostly 'cause they usually only play like 14-16 songs

lol probably asking alot but i wish they would add coma or civil war and deffinatly new songs once album comes out

Honestly, the two songs I'd really like to hear from the new band are updated versions of Silkworms and - especially - Crash Diet. The new band would totally rip that song up, and I think it suits these guys more than the old band.

As for Silkworms, it's too bad the song was bashed so hard - Musically, I think it's incredibly cool. Granted, the lyrics suck - But that song has a lot of potential.

And as much as I'd like to hear stuff like Civil War and Estranged, I think it's best that they are kept solidly with the old band - I don't want to hear anyone else attempting those solos.

Me and Garry are bringin our "Play Silkworms!" sign to Inland Invasion. Aint that right Garry?  :hihi: I would actually.. but its too much of a hassle

I think if they busted something like this out on the fall tour, it'd be balanced, and would keep the diehards and the casuals happy. (New additions in bold):


WTTJ
ISE
Brownstone
Chin. Dem.
You Could Be Mine
Better
Civil War
(NEW SONG)
Estranged
TWAT
Nightrain
IRS
Patience
Used To Love Her (A mini acoustic set with these two back to back)
Don't Cry
(NEW SONG)
The Blues
November Rain
_____________
ENCORE:
Madagascar
SCOM
PC


Sweet Child really needs to be either towards the end of the set, or in the encore - playing it so early on like they have been is kinda iffy with me..its one of those classics that needs to be saved for the end, in my opinion.

12-13 classics and 8 new songs (if they do a 20 song set) - is a good way to keep the old fans hooked and to introduce the new material to the set.

Also, notice no Live And Let Die - that song needs to go away and never come back!

Chinese Democracy
It's So Easy
Live And Let Die
Better
Nightrain
You Could Be Mine
The Blues
My Michelle
Civil War
I.R.S.
Estranged
Knockin' On Heaven's Door
Out Ta Get Me
Madagascar
There Was A Time
Double Talkin' Jive
November Rain
Sweet Child O' Mine
Don't Damn Me

Encore

Welcome To The jungle
New Song
Paradise City

I know it's a crazy setlist ;D :peace:

I'd rather they change the covers out (dropping L+LD and KOHD), and playing Don't Cry and some of the new stuff we haven't heard yet. I always think UYI gets under-represented live.

^ Same here. I love Civil War! Yesterdays should replace KOHD and  Civil war should be in the encore. Live and let die just annoys me so that should be replaced too.

Estranged ?? so early..nooo ?  ???

there's slim chances we'll see estranged played live, and don't damn me too (the old line-up never played it)

but it would be nice if they had a spot in the setlist for a rotating old song, a song that changes everynight and that they don't usualy play. like one night they could have civil war, the next anything goes, next night perfect crime, and so on. it would make every show a little bit more special.

This is what i'd like to hear in 2006...

Welcome To The Jungle
(new song)
Chinese Democracy
Nightrain
Better
You Could Be Mine
November Rain
Civil War
The Blues
Yesterdays
Madagascar
(new song)
Catcher In The Rye
I.R.S.
There Was A Time

ENCORE:

Rocket Queen
Estranged
Paradise City

The Legend - You have a great setlist..that is what i want

I hope that someday the new GNR - songs will replace the old ones..Totally..Exept for the REAL big hits

Other than Jungle, PC, Train, & RQ i'm bored with every freakin' thing else on AFD at this point. I mean it's all classic, but how many times can you hear it? I am kinda partial to the Baz participation on Michelle & Izzy participation on Think About You, and if those were in the set, that'd be great too.

But personally, i'd like to hear more new stuff woven into a few classics from the Illusions, and then call it a set.

They've gotta get away from this current set. Other than Better & I.R.S., we've been hearing this same set since Vegas in 2001!

Even if it's Oh My God. I don't care, but if I hear It's So Easy after WTTJ one more time, somebody's gonna die in that concert and I don't know who.

By the way, I forgot The Blues, so I added that.

 : ok:  : ok:

Welcome To The Jungle
It's So Easy
Mr. Brownstone
Better
Live And Let Die
Sweet Child O' Mine
The Blues
November Rain
There Was A Time
You Could Be Mine
I.R.S.
Patience
Madagascar
Civil War
Chinese Democracy
Paradise City


along with 4-5 new songs  : ok:

They won't add any old songs they have not been playing, i.e. Civil War, Estranged, Don't Cry. Assuming the setlist stays around 18 songs, just like the european tour, i'd expect something like this:

1. Welcome To The Jungle
2. It's So Easy
3. Mr. Brownstone
4. Better
5. Live And Let Die
6. Knockin' On Heaven's Door
7. The Blues
8. Sweet Child O' Mine
9. Madagascar
10. You Could Me Mine
11. Prostitute
12. November Rain
13. I.R.S./Sorry
14. There Was A Time/The General
15. Patience
16. Nightrain
17. Chinese Democracy
18. Paradise City

Plus a few extra solos. The songs with slashes are for the variations in setlists.

I just had a hallelujah moment... I saw in an inner vision, the perfect setlist! Okay, maybe not. Prepare for some rarities. I'd kill to go to this gig.

The opening part of the concert would kick an unbelieavable amount of ass. A long set, yes :D

Welcome To The Jungle
You Could Be Mine
Better
Nightrain
Sweet Child Of Mine
Catcher In The Rye
Don't Cry (It'd be awesome if it started with Ron doing a solo of it..and in the end the whole band would join for the full song.)
Bad Apples
The Blues
I.R.S
November Rain
Double Talkin' Jive
Sweet Child Of Mine
Out Ta Get Me
Paradise City

...

Encore songs:

Pretty Tied Up
I Used To Love Her (with Izzy Stradlin of course!)
Civil War

...

*dreams*

I think TWAT would make a killer encore right before Paradise City

Bad Apples...  :nervous:

I'm a bit surprised the setlist hasn't changed much with the new tour (as I'm sure a lot of you are as well)...although we are only one show in.

That being said, I have to believe there will be a significant change to the setlist by the time the next NY date rolls around. Four shows at the Hammerstein and the last show of '02...all with virtually the same setlist. I can understand keeping this standard set for the European Summer tour and some other dates in cities where the '02 tour didn't make it, but when they come back around to NY (now for their sixth show with the new line up...and the album supposedly on the brink of release) I really hope they change it up a bit for us NY fans (even though I can't attend this show? :(? )

Anyone else agree?



Edit: Sorry...thread was NOT supposed to have a  ;) icon next to it.

I agree with the logic, but I know better than to apply it to Axl.

I am very dissapointed with the setlist and I agree that when he comes to the tri-state area he almost has to switch it up.  I am not feeling as excited about the shows I am going to now (NJ and NY).  Hopefully Axl will mix it up a bit, but at this point it doesn't look like its going to happen.

my sentiments exactly

TWAT played at every show would be nice.

I couldn't agree with you more : ok:

All that I wanted was...

A NEW FUCKING SETLIST, Wig boy!

All kidding aside, Axl has to mix things up a bit. Sure, the logic behind the same set list could be that he wants to keep it similar for everyone to enjoy the same show, but honestly I don't think anyone would complain if they were getting a unique show. Besides, a lot of fans go to multiple shows, and I doubt they want to hear the same set over, and over, and over again. I went to Hammerstein four times, and will be attending MSG and Continental, and will be disappointed if I hear the same exact set again.

I'm not asking for 15 different songs every night. And no, I'm not even asking for any more new songs to be played before the album hits. All I'm looking for is a little bit of diversity. We get it- Jungle, Its so easy, Brownstone, live and let die, kohd, sweet child, ycmb, the blues... etc. Its too predictable.

Axl, mix it up a bit- surprise people... start the show with the same intro, and rip into Chinese Democracy, or something else. I love Jungle, but it doesn't have to be the opener every night. In the past, GNR has opened with various songs. The comparisons between the old band and the new band are going to get worse if it continues to be 90% Appetite. By playing this much AFD material, you're conceding to the fact that you're never goint to top this album... which may be true, but I don't need to hear Jungle, Easy, Brownstone, Sweet Child, Paradise City, Nightrain, My Michelle, and Out Ta Get Me every single night. I do view many of those songs as essential, but I personally would like to see a few more illusions songs mixed in.

I don't think Axl understands how small and concentrated his fanbase is. Many fans attend more than one show, they follow the shows online, they like to know whats going on. The only explaination I can think of is that he doesn't want people bootlegging the shows, which is weak. You shouldn't deprive people of a better show just because a few people are recording it.

Aside from the recent three leaked songs he has played, the setlist has essentially been the same for six years, and its becoming depressing.

 ? Although I would love to see them play more new songs, the 5 they have rotating in and out of the set list are just fine with me till CD dropps, actually I don't want to hear more of the album till it's in my hands.

What I do think is the set list could use a little more UYI I & II, ?it's weird that they only play 2 covers KOHD & LALD and November Rain and YCBM it's sort of like saying GNR wrote only 2 memorable, excellent songs out of the 30 on the UYI cds. I love UYI and play them much more than AFD. (I personally never was crazy about YCBM but I understand it has its place in the set)

LALD could go...It's upbeat and all and cool but Civil War is just as cool and Double Talkin Jive is just as fast.

I realise KOHD needs to be there it was a big hit and GNR's version is more remembered than the one from Bob Dylan ....what I enjoyed when Metallica was on the Black Album Tour they took the best parts of ...And Justice for All (instrumental and parts with Vocals) and made it into a huge Medley it was awsome I loved it live. When I bought the Box set it was one of the things I listened to most.

Now GNR could drop all the solos and do an Illusions medley first part being instrumental (Axl gets his well deserved Breather, take Oxygen, do a Line, Whatever he does backstage, get a Hummer) and he comes back and they finnish off with the Vocal parts....

Think how cool a medely of the best parts of;

Civil War, with the sample over it and all,
Don't Cry (even though I don't like this song I think it has it's place as well)
The Garden,
Dead Horse,
Coma,
and finnish if sort of like half of Estranged. I'm sure they could turn an idea like that into a monster 15-18 min highlight of the show.

I just think as well it would be more entertaining for the fans than 20 minutes of Guitar doodling I've never been a guitar solo fan.

I know it a lose-lose situation if they did a medely we'd be talking about it and why they played a medely

I'm not complaining about the setlist love the fact that the boys are rockin' and out there... just think the Illusions are just as an important part of the GNR history as AFD and are hardly represented in the set. Many of the songs are just as classic GNR as for example "out to get me". : ok:




 ?

It annoys me to no end when you people complain about the setlist.  Thus far GN'R have played anywhere from 4-6 new songs between Hammerstein, Europe and thus far in America.   CD will have 13 songs.  When most bands release a new album they play approximately half of it.  We've gotten possibly 6 of 13 songs and the album hasn't been released yet.  I assume once the album is released we'll hear even more new songs.  Why would they want to play anything else at this point until CD is released?  I'd rather wait to hear the new songs we haven't heard on CD before they're played live.  Be patient people.  Its been said many times now.  We're down to 9 Tuesday left in the year.  Its all good!

Old...New...Old... I'd open with the heavy hitters that everyone knows and loves; then I'd play a few off of UYI and then 1 off of CD. Then return to heavy hitters. Break (solo) Then, new CD material. Introduce it as such...then a mix of heavy hitters and UYI. For an encore asides from Paradise City I would do TWAT or on some evenings consider bringing back 'Estranged' and perhaps something obscure, a cover from TSI such as the New York Dolls "Human Being" (At MSG, given the Dolls are back together this may not be an unreasonable idea) Perhaps a different cover such as, Hanoi Rocks or Elton John...

Are you Weiland or were you just typing on his behalf?

Welcome To The Jungle
It's So Easy
Mr. Brownstone
Better
Live And Let Die
Sweet Child O' Mine
The Blues
November Rain
There Was A Time
You Could Be Mine
I.R.S.
Patience
Madagascar
Civil War
Chinese Democracy
Paradise City


along with 4-5 completely new, never before heard songs  : ok:

What the hell is up with everybody disliking Bad Apples? It is one of their absolutely best songs, in my opinion! Anyway, I just recently got into TWAT and Madagascar... Such powerful and epic songs! BRILLIANT!

Yeah, I am waiting to the day of the Detroit show to decide on whether to go or not, I've seen this exact setlist about 5 times now.. I'm hoping it changes. If not, I'll probably still end up going, don't know for sure though.

Compare the setlists from the European tour and you'll see that they added songs during the tour.

Also, you won't hear Rocket Queen, Think About You, Used To Love Her and so on at every show.





/jarmo

just a thought to everybody complaining about the set list....

axl has said that everytime he sings his songs he goes into the place he was at the time when he wrote the song. the lyrics to songs like coma and estranged are very very personal to axl. he said in an inteview that one time that sometimes after a show he cant go out after the shows because he is so fucked up from revisting those old places. maybe, some of those songs are way to personal for axl and he doesnt want to relive them everynight.

just a thought. anyway this is really the first north american tour since 2002. so they will play the songs that the casual fan wants to hear GNR play. i think they picked a really good selection and i'm sure it will change once CD is released.

Del James is 100 percent right, and i have said it all along,,,anyone bitching about the shows...especially people not even goin to them are not real GNR fans...

Dude, you are in the setlist wishes/ theories/ comments thread...

again, this shit is only a problem when people "whine" about people wanting to hear certain songs. It doesn't make them any less of a fan.

Screw you buddy, don't you dare call me or anyone else not a fan for wanting nothing more than one or two changes to the show; the same show I've seen 7 times already.  When I bought tickets for 3 upcoming shows, I didn't anticipate seeing the same show that's been performed for six years.  Would you seriously be upset if they changed Out Ta Get Me or Michelle with Civil War or Dead Horses?  Most people "bitching" as you say aren't those who've only seen one show or none at all.  Most are people who've seen the band several times in the last little while.  Just because there's no change in the setlist, does that mean I now hate the band, curse Axl's name and sell my tickets on ebay?  No, I'm still going, still plan on having a good time (along with the 15 people I talked into seeing the show), and still plan on traveling over 2000 k/ms to see them three times.  Yeah, you're right, that's not a fan at all?  I take it you've traveled across a major ocean, taken a week off to follow the band (twice in four years), and drove from Toronto to New York and back in 24 hours?  I guess you've got over $3000 worth of GNR memorabilia hanging on your wall?  But just because I and a few others have made a few suggestions about how to make the show better, you feel the need to brand us all as not real fans.

Before you start telling people that they're not real fans, think what you've done for this band.

hey all I did was agree with Del James, hes the one who said it, and it seems to be the opinion of the whole GNR camp...as far as you asking me what kind of GNR fan I am...you havent got the slightest idea who you are talking to...I had 3,000 dollars worth of GNR merchandise by the time I was 15...10 YEARS AGO...I'll give ya a quick example...I bought a GNR leather Jacket this past summer, then I bought an extra one for rainy weather..the same exact jacket..... so you have no idea who you are talking to..... all I did was agree with Del James, GNR could play jungle 15 times in one night, and I still woudlnt complain....and one more thing,,,I hate that whole whos a bigger guns fan,, we are all fans....i only responded because you brought it up....i am sure you are a huge fan , as am I....we are on the same team dude....

Amen. Awesome post dude. GnR and their management just don't take criticism well at all.

You didn't agree with Del James or Axl.  It's my impression that Del's complaint isn't against all fans, just those who don't go to the show.  But you've lumped anyone who has the slightest issue with the setlist as one in the same.  GNR is a great band who make music that we all love, but that doesn't mean that they're not without faults.  This is a message board where a variety of opinions are shared.  You may disagree with someone, but to call them not a true fan is low. 

And their within their right to ignore what certain fans want.  Like has been said, you can't please everyone.  Just because I've spent a ton of money on this band doesn't make me more important.  I was just expressing a view that I'd like to see a slightly different show than I did in 2002, at Hammerstein in NYC, and in Paris this summer.  If just posting a few requests and wishes makes me not a "true fan," then maybe I don't want to be a true fan.  I'd rather be fan who can make up their own mind than who needs GNR to tell me what to think.

Cheers,

Andrew

Might I suggest we just move past commenting on the changes or lack thereof to the setlist and be happy that gnr are touring and the album release is imminent. ?Let's keep this train a-rollin' and be positive. ?Things are as good as they've been in years. ?We are the gnr online community and I'd like to think our support is important. ?Please be mindful of that....this is an important time.

I wouldn't say complainers of the setlist aren't GN'R fans.

Probably more ungrateful than anything...

yes ungrateful....good call

so they're ungrateful just because they started a discussion about the set-lists? what should they discuss during a tour? axl's shoes?

Ungrateful, not true fans... you make a solid argument.  This is a thread to discuss and debate the setlist of this tour.  You might see this setlist as perfect, but other's don't, and they have every right to voice their opinion without being labeled as ungrateful or not true fans.  I don't call you a nut-hugging burger flipper 'cause it has nothing to do with the discussion.

Here's a more appropriate example.  Some here feel like Rocket Queen should be played every night, while other's think that it should be treated as an option.  That's something to discuss, not whether certain individuals are ungrateful. 

Grow up

How about not discussing it at all? Other than the quality or performance? Instead of little fuckin' things. These were the same people in 2002 that were complaining about the football jerseys, braids, and Bucket, when people like me were just ecstatic they were fuckin' back, although it ended up being short-lived.

No one's saying you can't talk about a setlist, but complaining the show sucks because the setlist is the same, especially when you aren't even going out to the shows, is a real problem as a GNR fan-critic of the concert. It really is nit-picking something.

Sure, I have a personal setlist, i'd LOVE to hear them do. But i'm one person. And my setlist is gonna be completely different from the next fan. Completely different from Axl's, completely different from Tommy's, completely different from Robin's, etc.

You can't please everyone. They are Guns N' Roses. And the shows I was at, NO ONE complained about the setlist. Sure people wanted to hear songs like Coma, Civil, and Loco, but not always does it turn out that way. Everyone was please. Sure the Use Your Illusion fans wanted more UYI stuff, but they knew most likely Axl would do more Appetite stuff going in, just out of common sense, and I guarantee you 98% of the people there have never even heard of a GNR message board.

They loved it, and sang along to all of the old classics. Axl & co. know what they are doing. They are giving the fans what they want, overall. If they went in there, and played a setlist 75% CD, people would eventually get bored because they would want some familiar stuff. You simply can't please everyone, and the currently setlist is pretty dead on of what they should be playing at this point.

why shouldn't i discuss it? it's about the band and it's current tour. and i'm not pro people who say the show sucks because they didn't play this or that song. that's retarded. but there are people wishing they would play civil war instead of out ta get me or something like that. and they just discuss the posibility. they shouldn't be called whiners or worse. a lot of people begin the name-calling and don't even try to give a valid point. that's fucked up.

it's not about changing the whole set-list. it's something like if ron is doing the don't cry solo why not play that with the full band? ar even the band to join in for the chorus or something? or one or two more songs from the illusions. are they saying that they only play the hits? so the whole appetite album was a hit and from the illusions the only hits were 2 covers, nov rain and you could be mine?

i don't want to hear more cd songs before it's released. i was pleased with what i heard before the leaks.
and why should the illusion fans expect axl to play more songs from appetite? they don't follow the message boards, they don't know what they're playing, like you said.
look at the greatest hits album. that's why it's called greatest hits because most of those songs are what most people like. i know that it wasn't approved by the band but still.

Good point. But there's a big difference between discussing & nitpicking.


You can't please everyone. He was pointing out the nitpickers, cry babies, and those who haven't even went to a show, and are complaining about it. Not everyone.


Most casual fans want to hear Appetite. You can't please everyone. Plus, didn't he say once he'd never perform Don't Cry live again out of Shannon Hoon's memory? Or was that just rumor?


Axl tried to stop the Greatest Hits, along with Slash, because it was not authorized by them, and it wasn't an accurate representation of GNR's real GH. This was originally the point of Live Era '87-'93. The final sendoff to the old days, and personally, LE87-93 is a much better compilation of songs than GH, especially the Japanese release.

Personally, other than maybe TWAT, I didn't want to hear anymore of CD either. Maybe a couple UYI songs, but I was happy and overjoyed with what I got. Let's save some special-ness to the album when it comes out.

If you haven't noticed that applies to alot of people on this board. The lack of an album for 15 years and generally little concern for fans can bring out complaints from the hardest of fans.

I agree. But Axl did an interview in 2002, where he said don't hold your breath. Live your life.

He's doing his thing, and that's that. No one told you to dedicate every waking hour to it.

I'm not saying this is you, but to those 'hardest fans'... do something. Don't let GN'R be your life, and when it doesn't go the way you want, you throw your hands up and call them 'those assholes'.

Yeah, I remember that interview. But don't you think that the time has come now? We have been breathing and we have been living our lives, and off course we still do. The difference is that Axl has promised us this time, in a way not seen before. I mean, you can't expect fans, who btw wants nothing more than to experience all the guy has to offer, to sit still and shut up when the promises don't seem to be met.

I know, there are some around here whos complaints get old and tiring , but most are just jaded fans tired of all the bullshit and waiting. How can you really blame them?

I don't, if the album doesn't drop in 2006. Then feel free.

But I thought I was talking about the setlist...

Don't you think the lack of album and/or news has something to do with that?

I have enough trust in Axl, to feel if he says it'll be out before 2006 is over, it will. This is the only time Axl himself has announced a release date.

If i'm a fool, well... I "won't get fooled again".

Oh no, you will. Trust me :hihi:

No I won't. Don't think my shoestring isn't stretched thin like everyone else's. I just root for them, instead of against them.

We're all rooting for them man. That don't mean we should sit silent when we feel something is out of place.

When Gilby Clarke GNR in 1991, he had to learn 30 songs in a month when he began touring with them in 199 & there's no reason why these other guitarists & muscians & Axl (if he forget lyrics) shouldn't know 30 songs themselves. This would make a great GNR show even greater.
The 30 songs would comprise of:

AFD: WTTJ, Its So Easy, Mr. Brownstone; My Michelle, Paradise City; SCOM; Your Crazy (electric); Rocket Queen
LIES: Nice Boys; Patience, Used to Love Her
UYI: Right Next Door to Hell; Live & Let Die; Don't Cry; November Rain; The Garden (cool with the new band); Coma (cool as well); Civil War; 14 Years (with Izzy); Yesterdays; Get In the Ring; Estranged; YCBM
CD: TWAT; IRS; Better; Madagascar; The Blues; This I Love (& the rest would be new material & maybe a cover or two of songs)

Maybe a cover of a song like "Heartbreak Hotel" to draw in the millions of Elvis fans (they can't be wrong either).
Obviously, it would not be 30 songs a night, but with substitutions here & there & a special performance of COMA at select arenas.

MNW

So when CD finally drops, and I believe it will within the next 30 days or so.....

Will the set list move to doing a few of the new (unheard of to date new) songs and dropping a few of the older numbers? 

FWIW I don't believe LALD, PC,SCOM,KOHD or WTTJ will ever be dropped

I don't see why not. GnR' have a large music catalogue.

Which of you would argue with this set list for the rest of the tour?

1. Nightrain
2. Better
3. Its So Easy
4. SCOM
5. Chinese Democracy
6. Madagascar
7. Double Talkin Jive
8. Estranged
9. Welcome to the Jungle
10. Rocketqueen
11. Think About You
12. There was a Time
13. Locomotive
14. Catcher in the Rye
15. OMG
16. Don't Cry
17. IRS
18. Back Off Bitch
19. Dead Horse
20. November Rain

ENCORE: Prostitute? Sorry? Something unheard of yet
                Patience
                Human Being
                Paradise City