Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I never started the one like this... so I thought why not? So use this thread for DISCUSSION, but please follow this board rules about it. And enjoy! : ok:
And UPDATE thread is here (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=38011.0).

Why aint these concert threads in the TOUR section?
(the GN'R section is pretty fucking messy atm)

As far as I know LIVE UPDATES and DISCUSSION were always in this section.

To all those who have a feeling they're gonna feel disappointed about the setlist, please PM me and I'll make sure you won't post here again.

I have no interest in dealing with the shit again after last night.




This thread is for discussions about Guns N' Roses show in Tampa.

That means, the opening acts aren't discussed. Unless they do something GN'R related (mentining the band, playing a song, having a guest on stage from GN'R etc.).

Posts that do not follow these simple request will get removed.



/jarmo

So, is the St. Pete Times forum what used to be called Janus Landing or something. I used to live in St. Pete and actually worked at the St. Pete Times, but there was never a placed called the St. Pete Times Forum when I was there.

I think it used to be called the Ice Palace. The venue is actually pretty new, maybe not even 10 years old.

It was built for the NHL's Tampa Bay Lightning to play at, when the MLB's Tampa Bay Devil Rays came in and took the old Thunderdome, which is now know as Tropicana Field.


Bwahahahaha! I just love this quote.  ;D

 : ok:

Here's a link to the top tampa Bay  florida rock station   .  They may talk about tonight's show 




 http://www.98rock.com/main.html   

Jarmo, you're the man dude. Classic post right here. Rock on.  :beer:

Yes, it used to be The Ice Palace, I saw Eric Clapton there probably about 10 years ago now.

the guy on 98 rock just said that the st pete times forum has a strict curfew time.he went on to say that GNR came on late last night as we all know,but he then said he hopes it doesnt happen tonight.........well,we'll see,but im goin with a late start

Now THAT is a rock n roll post! So true tho Jarmo!  : ok:

http://www.gabbly.com/heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?board=2.0

HTGTH chatroom if anyone is interested

Are we expecting GNR around 11:30 again?

I used to live in Tampa/St. Pete.? I went to see Aerosmith at the St. Pete Times Forum/a.k.a. "Ice Palace" several years ago.? It's your typical crowded stadium.? I also had tickets to see GNR there in 2002, but the tour unraveled before that.?

The seating in the stadium is set on a steep incline, so everyone should be able to see.? Anyhow, I hope any Floridian fans from this board have a fun time tonight.   :peace:

I pm'ed Jarmo about his rule of not mentioning the opening acts.? I asked him it was ok to have people report when the bands took and left the stage.? He said that is fine, but we don't need to know what Baz is singing, wearing, etc...

So if our reporters on the scene would still report when Baz and PR hit the stage and when they left, that would be great.?

Thanks Jarmo.

Shouldn't we be using this thread for the discussion instead of the other one?

;D

I just got back from the show. ?Pretty much same set list as last night. ?Except they played Used To Love Her.
Axl said this was a request from Tommy.. ?A love song... ? It was an amazing show. ?I would say the place was about 3/4 full. ?The top level (3rd level) was empty. ?However about an hour in I would say 1/4 of the people left. ?The show ended at approx. 2 am EST. ?It still was amazing. ?14 yrs it's been since Axl was even in the area of Tampa. ?He sounded amazing. ?There was a couple of songs it was hard to hear. ?Like YCBM. ?

if i recall correctly, it was Rocket Queen...  or was that the first night?  :hihi:

and i hope CD was played again!

CD and Paradise City was the Encore.   
They played the exact same set list as last night but Used to Love her was thrown in.  Sorry I don't recall when they played it.  I believe it was after the song Better.   

no complete setlist ?

Just got back from the show.

Most amazing night of my life.

Awesome, stunning, breathtaking, 1992-revisted...

Interest was very positive in the new band, not alot of Axl bashers around. Very up mood, and very electric. Once GN'R finally came on, more people showed up, and the venue looked sold out. Remember the upper deck seats were never sold, it was closed off by security. And security was TIGHT. People in the pit were getting tossed before Bach even finished his set. Just the typical moshing that got out of control. One cat that got thrown had to be restrained by a couple of guys, and he was still trying to fight security. Many cell phone cameras in my area were being taken. Yeah that's right, the cell phone's are no longer invincible to the security. Even in the seats they 3-4 ushers going up and down the isles making people put them up. You get caught again, it's gone. Plus it was hard to get away with seat theft. Alot of the stragglers were being thrown out of sections they didn't have tickets for, and it was really impossible to even get away with it it was so tight. At least where I was at.

Entering the venue was a joke. Just a sea of people, thousands, all pushing together to get in... real old skool.

GNR's gotta be making a small fortune off this new merch. Not only is it as expensive as it is, but alot of shit was getting sold out, and if it was still around only one size was still available.

Funny thing is, the marketing. The venue was FREEZING! Not only was it kinda chilly outside, but then the venue was even colder. I watched nearly two rows of people around me, literally get up and go buy hoodies just to get warm. Brilliant marketing. I went and bought a jacket, lol!

Band was stunning. Same kinda set, except the big surprise for the night was USED TO LOVE HER!!!!!!!!!

I freaked out when they started playing it.

Anyways it rocked, yo momma, and blame Canada!

P.S.

GNR didn't come on 'til midnight! But it just made the crowd more anxious.

Just got back from the show.

Most amazing night of my life.

Awesome, stunning, breathtaking, 1992-revisted...

Interest was very positive in the new band, not alot of Axl bashers around. Very up mood, and very electric. Once GN'R finally came on, more people showed up, and the venue looked sold out. Remember the upper deck seats were never sold, it was closed off by security. And security was TIGHT. People in the pit were getting tossed before Bach even finished his set. Just the typical moshing that got out of control. One cat that got thrown had to be restrained by a couple of guys, and he was still trying to fight security. Many cell phone cameras in my area were being taken. Yeah that's right, the cell phone's are no longer invincible to the security. Even in the seats they 3-4 ushers going up and down the isles making people put them up. You get caught again, it's gone. Plus it was hard to get away with seat theft. Alot of the stragglers were being thrown out of sections they didn't have tickets for, and it was really impossible to even get away with it it was so tight. At least where I was at.

Entering the venue was a joke. Just a sea of people, thousands, all pushing together to get in... real old skool.

GNR's gotta be making a small fortune off this new merch. Not only is it as expensive as it is, but alot of shit was getting sold out, and if it was still around only one size was still available.

Funny thing is, the marketing. The venue was FREEZING! Not only was it kinda chilly outside, but then the venue was even colder. I watched nearly two rows of people around me, literally get up and go buy hoodies just to get warm. Brilliant marketing. I went and bought a jacket, lol!

Band was stunning. Same kinda set, except the big surprise for the night was USED TO LOVE HER!!!!!!!!!

I freaked out when they started playing it.

Anyways it rocked, yo momma, and blame Canada!

P.S.

GNR didn't come on 'til midnight! But it just made the crowd more anxious.

Thanks for the review, glad you had a great time.

Now maybe lennonisgod will stop bitching about the same setlist everynight since they played a rare "Used To Love Her"

Awesome cool to hear you had a great time... anything cool happen at the show?? how so sold out was it ??

Thanks for the review Legend. :beer: So CD was played? I'm really hoping they play that song on a regular basis. Or at least play it again on Jan. 10th ;D

Thats what Im talking about , good shit, glad you had a blast!

I get the feeling Estero is gonna be a limited amount of people. 'Cause I know where it's at, and I know it's size. It ain't Tampa or the Forum that's for sure.

I'm definitely wondering if we'll get A) a smaller set, and or B) No encore.

I dunno, we'll see. But I think Estero might not be as heavy on the people, like Tampa was.

Thanks for the review and for putting this back on topic : ok: :beer:

Great to hear the crowd getting into the newer songs :yes:

Thats great. :smoking: Good to know that the crowd is having a good reaction to the new songs, especially CD. Its worthy of being the opener in my opinion :beer:

ESPECIALLY with that new intro....man I love it!! to bad the rest of the song is just GOOD, but the intro is AWESOME.

I am so glad the crowd liked CD - it is a rocking track! I just love the new intro and the outro (last 8 bars or so) is fucking amazing. The addition of used to love her is cool too, it shows there is going to be some variation in the setlist!

Yeh, it would be great if they opened their shows with CD. It would be a shock to the crowd, but it would really demonstrate the importance of the song.

Okay a review from a "normal" fan on a non-gnr forum: (from Tuesday)

Tuesday, October 24th 2006. Bank Atlantic Center, Sunrise, FL.

*First show of Northamerican Tour.

Setlist: Welcome To The Jungle, It's So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Live And Let Die, Robin Guitar Solo, Sweet Child O' Mine, Knockin' On Heaven's Door, You Could Be Mine, Piano Jam, Dizzy Piano Solo, The Blues, Band Introductions, Richard Guitar Solo, Out Ta Get Me, Better, Piano Moving Jam, November Rain, I.R.S., Ron Guitar Solo (Don't Cry), My Michelle (with Sebastian Bach), Patience, Nightrain
Encores: Chinese Democracy, Paradise City



Sebastian Bach opened the show, then Papa Roach. Papa Roach finished their set at 10pm. After about 1 hour waiting for Gn'R to come out, people started to lose their patience, and some of us who knew about Axl's background were starting to get worried about a possible no-show on Axl's part. But fortunately, at about 11.20 the lights went out and the first notes to Welcome to the Jungle started to fill the place. During the first few songs I was in complete awe, and I almost cried of happiness, haha. I had this really stupid smile on my face pretty much throughout the whole show.

The crowd's energy was unbelievable. Everyone sang along to every freaking song. Specially at the beginning, the people were so loud that they almost overpowered the music. Great crowd participation during Knocking on Heaven's Door, with the special back-to-back sing along between Axl and the crowd.

Axl's voice? It's still as good as it ever was, or perhaps even BETTER! He still has it. The voice, the energy, the moves, and the presence.

The musicians? very good indeed. They nailed every song. The one who stood out for me was Richard Fortus. GREAT guitarrist, his solos were fantastic.

The lights were awesome as well, as were the fireworks and fireballs throghout the show, and the huge rain of little red papers at the end of Paradise City.

Sebastian Bach joined Axl on stage for My Michelle. He rocked. The show ended at about 1.30 am. They played for a little more than 2 hours.

Axl doesn't seem to be the "asshole" he used to be. It seems he matured, or maybe it was, like he said, all those nights of partying before the show that had him mellowed out, and that he didn't know if he was gonna survive Miami!

What else can I say? It was an excellent show. IT FUCKIN' ROCKED!  and I'm extremely glad I had the chance to witness it.

P.S.: Chinese Democracy seems like a very promising album, this new Gn'R is on to something. That's an album I'll get for sure when it comes out.


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Put that into perspective when you think about things

that rocks! Thanks for posting that

Thats cool nice find ?: ok:

So it's not just us GN'R fanatics that are getting into the new band. :yes:

That was basically Tampa's setlist, except if I remember correctly, Used To Love Her was played in-between Michelle & Patience.

Thanks for the review, Legend, sounds like you had a fantastic time. ? :beer:

I know what you mean about '92 revisted 'cos that's just how I felt when I saw them in Europe. ?The 02 shows never quite hit the mark for me for a combination of reasons, (band-related and 'cos of personal stuff) but this year I was literally blown away and back to the emotions and energy I'd felt seeing the band during the Illusion days.

The merchandise was going a bomb over here too but with the boiling temperatures in the venue I felt a right berk buying a hoodie. ?Got the last laugh now though as we go into winter. ?;D

Cheers again for taking the time to post, it's much appreciated. ?: ok:

No setlist?!?!?!

If I remember correctly...

Welcome To The Jungle
It's So Easy
Mr. Brownstone
Live And Let Die
Robin Guitar Solo
Sweet Child O' Mine
Knockin' On Heaven's Door
You Could Be Mine
Piano Jam
Dizzy Piano Solo
The Blues
Band Introductions
Richard & Robin Guitar Solo (Beautiful) [yes, it did return tonight]
Out Ta Get Me
Better
Piano Moving Jam
November Rain
I.R.S.
Ron Guitar Solo (Don't Cry)
My Michelle (with Sebastian Bach)
Used To Love Her
Patience
Nightrain

ENCORE:
Chinese Democracy
Paradise City

Never heard about recorders ?

If she has to work, maybe she can't stay up all night waiting for Axl to start, don't you think ?

And maybe for her it's more important to work because maybe she's got responsabilities and stuffs, you know; like a family, a house or something ?

She went for 4 songs, because she wanted to see Axl and the band. She could have stayed home.

Anyway, I'm sorry I just had to say it ...

Back on the subject, thankx The Legend for the concert's setlist : ok:

I hope Madagascar is going to be played in the forthcoming shows.

By the way, all of you cats on merchandise.

Some of the Europeans can correct me if i'm wrong on something...

But I haven't seen anything that different from Europe. Same designs, except 2006 NA tour. Same designs are available in both tee's & hoodies. The concert tour date shirts, have the corrected Jacksonville-Halloween show date on them, and Sunrise listed as the first show, which leads me to believe this was always the case, and the news just came late.

Cotton wristbands with new-vintage/throwback GN'R logo.

New-vintage/throwback GN'R logo flags.

The baseball jersey & hockey jerseys.

Cool new-GNR related watch.

New-GNR baseball caps & old-GNR beanies.

******

The only thing different I saw, that wasn't mentioned in Europe (or I don't remember), is now there's a white-Tee available that has the red & yellow logo, that was previously only available on a black tee. Same design, just an additional white tee also.

And, a new-GNR denim jacket is also available... I picked one up, but it's the most expensive item at $125 bones.

There's also various Papa Roach & Baz shits also.

I posted this to let you guys know... this is what's there. I highly doubt it's gonna change mid-way through the tour. So most likely, this is what you can plan on for the rest of the tour. So no more merch related threads.

thats a great review, and the guy is ansious about CD, it will be a hit  ;D

If he is a "normal" fan then how the hell would he know the names of the new songs

 : ok:

Um.... did I miss something or are there like NO updates for this show anywhere???

thats because nobody sent updates

the only updates as such are reviews people posted after they got home

Where did I miss those then?

most likely theyre in the **UPDATES** thread

there are a few reviews scattered round here in places

That wouldnt be a problem, if jarmo wouldnt of deleted it.

Blame Canada?  Is that what Axl said?

I read somewhere that he has made that refrence before?

Update threads are removed once they become redundant; once reviews are being posted, the update threads just take up space and, as they always have, encourage bad posting habbits... So they are got rid of.

so where do I find reviews again?

One interesting comment that I see has not been mentioned is that during band introductions Axl say's "and welcome OUR new addition on drums Mr. Frank Ferrer"

They DIdent Play  Better?  :o

they played better, right after the blues

You mean brain isn't in anymore? and you find that interesting? :confused:

yeah I find it interesting since Brain just played the cali shows  :yes:

No, it means that he is also in the band. "addision means to add someone" so i guess Brain still is the MAIN drummer...

It's almost kind of like Camp Freddy at this point. You know what the brand name of the group your going to see is, but you can't always be sure as to what line-up or guests will be showing up.

I don't know but when I hear Axl say welcome Our, our being the guys on stage as in group and new addition to makes me believe something more has happened. Axl didn't say filling in tonight or on the drums tonight. New addition means new member. Frank at one point was the understudy now he is the new addition?

however some say the day before yesterday axl seemed not to really remember Franc's name.

naupis, wait till cd comes out.

What is that supposed to mean?

thanks for reviews and the setlist

maybe frank is gonna be a touring member and brain will just do studio work :-\

I'm glad everyone had an awesome time and thanks for the reviews of the show. It sounds like Axl is still sounding as good as ever and putting on amazing performances... and I wouldn't worry about Brain being gone right now. He'll be back eventually... I hope.

From what Axl said about Frank being a new addition to the band suggests to me that he's the new drummer. I think Brain is out-my guess is family commitments-having a young child recently would deter you from hitting the road for a month and missing out on all the baby stuff. I reckon Brain couldnt commit so he quit.

slunksoma and neemo lets

as it stands. + q. v. your previous post and maybe the GunsNRosescom thread.

has the site not been updated with anynews on Brain then? They wouldnt (this is speculative i know but just for the sake of the discussion) need to put "Brain out Frank in" because the vast majority wouldnt realise it was a different drummer.

haha yeah but it's so hard to remain patient with the release so apparently close :nervous:

Tampa Tribune review is posted in the show thread in GNR On Tour section... good review. Although like the night before, the reviewer points out the band was damn late ;)

http://www.tbo.com/entertainment/MGBE0770RTE.html


there is the link for those who wish to read it

elizabeth,you were there,for your opinion how many people were there?

ta, elizabeth
yeah if the vast majority couldn't read.  ;)
 't on the front page of gnronline com.

"GN'R Reloaded

Frontman Axl Rose will be joined by rock 'n' roll all-stars including former Nine Inch Nails guitarist Robin Finck and former Primus drummer Brian Mantia for the U.S. tour."

TOTAL ROCK N ROLL! RULES AND REGULATIONS! 

so far two shows and two good reviews.

Over 10,000 people is a good turnout. ?Thats awesome and encouraging, hopefully walk up sales are high for the estero show too. ?Two succesful shows to start the tour! ?Very exciting.

Well hopefully these positive reviews will wake people's asses up and get them to get out there and buy tickets and go to the shows.

and why did they add used to love her and not madagascar

If brain left they should just go back and get Josh Freese

My guess would be maybe that song did not make the album, but that is just a guess and i would bet that is why twat has not been played in a while.

They have not played twat because ron could not play it live

why do you keep saying that? You said that too at chinesedemocracy.com. I remember you saying that. I think you make a redicule statement. Care to elaborate?

I think TWAT would take too much time on the setlist while trying to cram in the staples and a taste of the new shit.

Such is the dichotomy of Axl Rose: charming and possibly insane.

Now that is a perfect description.

When Baz was on stage...the floor was full

When PR was on stage...the floor was full and more people started to fill up seats in 1st and 2nd levels.

I had a floor tix but our lightening play there and it was freezing in there and they have a game tonight so the floor had ice beneath it.

So, I talked to this usher and said I wanted to sit and he said don't sit here or I'll have to ask you to leave so I said what if I sit over there and he said if I don't see you then I can't tell you to leave..ha ha  so I said cool and sat down 11 rows up from Richard's side of the stage.  The pyros were fkn HOT...actually warmed me up for 10 sec.

I did see Ron watching Baz on stage and Dizzy checked out PR.

I'd guestimate 9,000 ppl when GNR hit stage.  A friend of mine had the nosebleed seats and they actually told his section to go down to floor to make arena look more packed.  That is what he told me this morning.

I already posted the link a few pages back : ok:

Apparently this person doesn't realize Axl is known for showing up late at shows.. "'Show usually starts around 7.. we go on stage around 9".. hmmmmmm

Did anyone manage to get their camera in and get some good pics of GNR?? If so, please contact me if you wouldn't mind sharing some copies through email.... I'll love you forever and ever. I got turned away with mine at the door and had to go put it in my car but I noticed a lot of people managed to get theirs in.

I was on the floor, about 3-4 people away from the front-center. The show was great! Unless it had been 10-15 years ago (when venues were a little less security dramatic) or if it had been the original GNR it couldn't have been better... unless they had played Rocket Queen, possibly my favorite GNR song. So, to the person who asked back on the first or second page, no, they didn't play it.

P.S. I would like to send out a big thank you to anyone who might be on this board that was on the floor last night helping the small girlies like me not get slammed around and crushed by the jerkoffs that FINALLY got kicked out right before GNR went on. HAHA! I think I can speak for all the short girls in front... We really appreciate you making our night that much better.

Better was played before Out Ta Get Me. Also, I.R.S. was played after Used To Love Her. Hopefully this can be fixed on the tour section of the site.

Ron can't play it live, eh? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKPVQhKhduc

He rocks in that version!

I always admire people who can remember the set list.

Every concert I have ever attended I usually get mixed up and forget the order about 5 songs in.


Sounded like a great concert, I hope I get to see this tour. : ok:

exactly. I asked why dave-gnfnr2k made such unfounded statement but he hasn't replied yet. He said that (in my view) stupid remark also on chinesedemocracy.com. I asked him about it back then but he didn't reply to it. Dave, I'm realy sorry but sometimes you really say unfounded shit man. At least try to back it up but I know you can't. Ron can perfectly play TWAT.  :P

^^ Exactly.

Anyone who says Ron can't play Bucket's parts is way outta line. But let's not turn this into a Bumblefoot/Buckethead-thread. Glad to see the show went well!

What an absolutely crazy night.

We go to the venue around 8 o?clock. There was a real mixed crowd there; a little bit of everybody. We got right in our seats as we didn?t want to miss Bach start out. Kujo was one section over, while Mrs. Punk and I were on the side, right next to the stage. Staring at the people in GA caged up like farm animals did not make me jealous by any means.

Bach really did well and the crowd response was very strong. Even at this point the venue was about (I?m guessing now) 80 percent full. He played mostly older Skid Row stuff with a new one thrown in there. The new song was a ballad, but very nice. (He says it?s on you tube so I?ll certainly be checking that out later.) His band was tight, Bach was???.well Bach. Not much as changed. His voice was great, and really let out some howls.

Now, it is important for me to backtrack a bit here. My location was right next to the corner of the stage, where I could see people coming and going that worked the venue, with the groups, or in the groups themselves. In Las Vegas I had run into Robin twice before the show. This time, it was my wife who saw Finck first and grabbed my arm. He had come up on my right, climbed the railing down and began to walk around the GA floor. This was about two songs into Baz?s set when he walked past me. At this point I am looking back towards my left down at the floor waiting to see if he will return the way he went. About two minutes later he returns and climbs back over the rail right beside me. I give him a big handshake and he looks right at me and smiles. Totally cool. It was so loud he probably could not have heard what I said, so a handshake was all that was needed. He went on his way and disappeared behind the stage right after.

About 2/3 of the way through Baz?s set I look over to my right and there is Frank. His hat on top of his head, turned a bit sideways and his 50?s style looking glasses on. Leaning against the rail and watching Bach turn it out. I went over to shake his hand, but the security guy blocked me from going over. He sat for a good 15 minutes watching, and then slipped backstage once again.

When Bach ended his set, we bolted outside for some fresh air and totally skipped Pappa Roach, who we were not interested in watching.

Around 11 we strolled back in, and realized at this point that PR had just ended. So there was no way, that there was going to be an 11 go time for Guns. I figured, maybe 11:30, but that seemed pushing it. The security guy (that I had been joking with off and on all night) looked at me and said ?Ready to wait? He?s not even in Tampa yet.? I laughed, but he said ?He just left now.?

I?d call that bullshit on any other day, but as time went on (and it went on), another guy would come up and say ?He?s in Tampa now.? Then a few minutes later ?He?s on his way now.? He kept getting reports of Axl?s whereabouts so I had to actually wonder if this was legitimate or not. Eventually the guy came back and said ?Put in your earplugs, he is coming out.?

The security guy looked at me and said ?If they say put in your earplugs to me, it means he is here and about to start.?

Of course then another 5 minutes passed, and a surprisingly patient crowd still had not begun to get pissed yet. It was about 11:40 or so and people were still pumped it seemed. I joked to Mrs. Punk that we needed to hear booing. It was booing that often preceded the start of a show in our experiences. It almost was a formula of the new band at this point: booing = should be on any minute.

Another five minutes past and in an almost rehearsed moment the entire arena began to boo simultaneously . It lasted about 5 seconds and the lights dropped. Again, Mrs. Punk pushing at my arm, telling me to look to my right. I glanced over to see the band walking, almost in single file, towards the back of the stage in a hurry.

Boos turned to cheers, as the lights dropped and everybody was now standing. Dry ice was pushed over the crowd and the ominous opening music played before that first riff of Jungle rang out.

Then, the place went absolutely insane. Almost midnight now, with a second wind, this crowd was more than welcoming to the band that made them wait so long.

The set list remained the same pretty much. They did interject ?I used to love her? near the end of the set, which I liked.

My view was astounding as Bumble, Robin (lots of Robin) and Axl constantly were right in front of me. Near the middle of the show I extended my hand out to Axl and he ran up and shook my hand, sending the girls behind me into hysterics that reached ear piercing decibels. He then reached past me to shake one of their hands as well. In an act of selflessness one could only hope for in a mate, Mrs. Punk snapped a photo of my outreached arm and hand pairing up with Axl?s  for a handshake. A killer moment captured on my cheap cell phone to remember forever. I received a text message from Kujo about two minutes later and all it said was ? FUCKER.? HAHAHAHA! Love ya bro!

It is even  more important to address the people who spend so much time spinning negativity about this tour and band. Standing there I noticed a few important things that should silence these crybabies (although I doubt it will). One is that the place was pretty much full. Not bad for a band that still has no album, few remaining members, and so-so promotion. Two is that the crowd was absolutely positive about this band. Excited to see them, cheering every song, singing along, jumping up and down, and LOUD. People can cry, bitch and moan about all the little things they whip up into a frenzy online. Pathetic ramblings in a pretend internet world are just that: pathetic ramblings in a pretend internet world.

There is however, only one real litmus test: real time crowd reaction and turnout. Both I witnessed last night to be very strong. In the middle of the frantic yelling, screaming, guitar riffs, smoke, sweat and energy, I realized that this album will probably do great when it is released. My prior doubts were pushed aside after last night and I am now confident. A venue like Tampa is not The Joint in Las Vegas, and it is not the Ballroom in NYC. It is not filled with hardcore internet geek fans who fly from around the country/globe to see their hero band. It is an arena that brought the general public out to see a band they obviously still have an enormous amount of interest in.

Encore began with  Chinese Democracy, and I could feel the heat from the flames shooting up into the air during the song. Ending of course with Paradise City, bumble foot walked along the front of the GA crowd and let everybody touch his guitar and shook their hands.

What an amazing night, absolutely 100 percent incredible.

Thanks.

Edit: I am reading a lot about Frank. Axl introduced him as the "newest member." I can only guess that Brain is taking time off to be a dad.

Awesome post ^^. They're back and better than ever! And to think I actually wasn't a Guns N' Roses-fan when they were in Sweden earlier this year...  :crying:

great review SLCPUNK

i share a lot of your feelings after having seen gnr two times this year in europe : ok:

all these whiners are pathetic assholes who won`t give the band a chance anyways....  i guess it`d help some of them if they`d actually go to a gig themselves instead of sitting in front of their computers and bitching about the set list or the promotion......

for the most part, i stopped reading the posts of certain members here ( and on other boards.... they mostly are the same persons anyways..). some people really need to get a life. i mean is it fun to spend your free time on a message board of a band you liked until 1990???

awesome review SLC 8)

question: how was the moshpit-or was there really one? just curious to know what to expect when i go.

For both 10/24 and 10/25, there was some moshing for Papa Roach, but not really any for GNR. The moshers last night were a lot more dangerous than the ones in Sunrise. This one idiot kept causing massive pile-ups on the floor last night and people really could have gotten hurt. I got out of there after he made it clear his only agenda was to make sure people kept falling on their ass. Not cool.

yeah, i figured that there would be some for PR, but hopefully people chillax on it for guns.

Great post SLC. Glad you had a great time! I'm SO fucking ready for the Chicago show!

Yea gnr in London and Glasgow felt like you felt last ntie...

For me the wait just makes the whole thing even more awesome!! Xmas would suck as a kid if there wasnt a month to wait on it... gnr jus crank it up n up for us fans!!!!

Great review SLC! 
Was there any banter or anything else memorable that was said or that you noticed?

Brain is out?!!! :crying: Nooooo!!! :crying:  I can hardly accept it! whine whine whine :crying:
(=Yay this is something to moan about!  ::) )

It's only natural that the forum members at the show shouldn't have bothered to spare their precious whale of a time to feed those armchair critics.

@ Good read SLCPUNK. I'd love to hear the newest version of Chinese democracy live. :drool:
so, kindly share the pic of the handshake moment with us, would you?  :D
I always love the tidbits of the shows.

@ Demon Wolf, so you're a new fan? GNR will very likely tour europe next year again for you although they're unlikely to be playing this set then, I bet.


Snap! :beer: No actually my wait starts when I hear the release date.
I believe it to be this year.  I hope things go smoothly this time for the sake of the fellow fans who have been longing for this album from the last century and for those who have been working on this thing with fortitude for ages, esp axl.

great review SLC.

Great review SLC enjoyed reading it a lot.   :)

How was the crowd response to BBF's Dont Cry?

Was he wearing his colourful shirt again?

Thanks for the awesome review SLCPUNK!  : ok:

No colorful shirt.. a grey shirt.

and his solo blew me out of the water..

Got to meet him after the show.. really cool guy!  :)

A rational human being on a GNR messageboard? Say it aint so!  :nervous:

I will give my review tomorrow, but let me correct this statement....the place was half empty guys.  Not a single seat was sold in the third level, and the floor was only about half full.  They had no more than 7,000 people there guys.  I actually felt bad for Axl.  I was dead center stage about 10 feet back and when I turned around and saw most of the seats empty at the far end and the floor only half full, I felt bad for the guy.  No way you can make a statement that the place was anywhere near ful..

That being said, the show was indeed awesome and Axl was in good form.  My only complaint was that his mic was too low and on many of the lyric you couldn't even hear him.  When he screamed you could, but on many lyrics his voice didn't come through too well.

Pap Roach was very very good though (and this coming from a guy that doesn't like Pap Roach that much.  More later when I get a chance.

The third level was never sold. Security was keeping people out of the third level, I saw it with my own eyes about five times when people tried to go up there. I don't know what was up. When I was on TM, the third seemed available, but at the actual show, security was keeping people out.

As for Frank. He ruled. I don't know why this bad vibe is about him. Great on all of the songs, although not as gifted as Brain. But it the funny part was, Axl screwed up and introduced him as "On the the drums, MISS Frank Ferrer... wait a minute ... did I just introduce him as Miss? Mr. Frank Ferrer"

It was funny for a second.

Plus Richard jumped on that stage boom thing, and started loosing his balance, and Axl grabbed him by the waist to make sure he didn't fall.

Well, you answered your question. Frank isn't as gifted as Brain, and I, for one, want the best guys out there for GNR. If Brain has bowed out, more power to him. But it's a little frustrating when people here say they want Frank because he's better. Well, I think that's pretty obviously not the case. That's what happens when every member is replaced. It's always, "Well, he sucked anyway, this guy's better." Not.

Are they performing KOHD with the audience participation ?

Yep, and the audience was into it. Especially the final verse, which had Axl doing the old rasp scream KNOCK KNOCKIN' ON HEAVEN'S DOOOOOOOOOOR WHOAOAOAOAOAOA YEAH!

 :peace: : ok:

That doesn't really matter around here. Robin clearly isn't as gifted as either Bumble or Richard in terms of talent, and people are fine with it. As long as a group of guys show up and play GNR songs with Axl singing things will be fine.

I don't know how many people it holds, but from my perspective it seemed pretty darn filled up. Half empty by the end of the night? Yea, it was, people were leaving to go to work more than likely. But no way was it half empty.

I guess Kujo, Mrs Punk and myself all have bad vision.................. ::) :hihi:

From where I was, I couldn't really tell. But security seemed to be kicking people out a bit.


Nothing really that stood out, he seemed to be in a great mood.



No S Fla shirt tonight.............

The response was very good, even with it getting late, and it seemed many people were hitting the wall (at least around me they were.)

Thanks everybody.

When do we get to see your hand touching Axl's? :hihi:

I have to get an upgrade for my cheap cell phone (I think) in order to upload the pic. I am going to do it, because this picture has to be saved to a computer, it's just too cool.

Nothing really that stood out, he seemed to be in a great mood.



Axl coming on stage as the band jams waiting for the piano to be prepped for November Rain. Axl sees Robin sprawled out on the floor jamming out and runs over to him and pretends to kick the shit out of him L.A.P.D. style. Tommy saw this and was cracking up.

Finck spent a good amount of time laid out on the floor. He must have got some good stuff in Miami.

I guess that didn't stand out to me.

Robin was having a bit o'trouble with gravity it seemed. It was kind of fun to watch him play on the floor like that. For a second I thought he almost hurt himself jumping down from the stage.

There were more than 7000 when Sebastian was playing.  ::)
General Admission was packed back to just before the soundboard. The 4th Level was closed but everyother area, other than right behind the stage was pretty full.

Thanks a lot for that review.. it was a great read after a long day, made me feel good!!!   :peace:

The St. Pete Times review said there were 10,500 people there.  Sounds like a pretty good turnout to me.

Ali

10,500 is pretty accurate for tickets sold/comped, but the scalpers took a bath and there were probably only 8,000 in the building. Sunrise was a totally different story as it was 95% full even with the top level open.

How much does teh stadium hold?

21,500 I believe, with ALL of the levels open, which were NOT! Plus keep in mind, all of the shit behind the stage was not open either. That's alot of seats that were never even for sale.


In the first few songs, that place was PACKED. After 5 or so songs, people started leaving because they simply just couldn't stay any longer because of the time. Everything was positive tho. Most people were looking at their watches and saying, "I'd love to stay, but I gotta go to work in the morning". So it wasn't any negativity, unlike Sunrise which had rumors abound of possible disgrunted people.


Security was tight. I mean, even not in the pit, out in the stands. People with camera phones... 1 warning. After that, they took your phone and booted you from the show. Even in the stands. Some people were getting kicked out just for not being in their right seat. I mean, security was kicking ass Wednesday, at least we're I was sitting. You screw off in the pit, they were nailing them too. Many people got booted for asshole behavior.

As for Ron, he wore what he's been wearing at these shows. Casual outfit and that red beanie. Saw him before the show, and he had his hair all styled up. Wonder why he goes through that trouble, then just throws a skull-cap over it?

It just seemed really empty to me.  This is my 6th GNR show.  I'm used to seeing a packed arena with every ticket sold to the roof.  This place had maybe 7,000 people when I turned around about 1/2 way through the show.  The old band would have played to a packed arena.  The show was still incredible, and Axl put forth a great effort (even if you couldn't hear a bunch of the lyrics), and the band was great.

the setlist was good for the casual fans (obvious I would have liked a few of the newer songs), and songs like IORS and Better got good reactions from the crowd.   They need to do away with the solos though.  Everyone is right in saying that it just kills the momentum.  The only solo I cared for was the Don't Cry one.  The rest can go.

I would say Axl needs this album released pronto to avoid having half empty arenas in towns like this.  I heard the Esturo show tonight has sond really really bad.  That's even with the promotion of this being a rock stations Fall festival.  I'm not sure why they decided to start this tour with having released the album 1st.   I'm assuming once the album is released these shows will sell better.

Anyone who has ever been to a show in Tampa and had an option for seeing this band somewhere else in Florida would do so.

Tampa security and police are ill-tempered. In Tampa having a good time is a crime if you like Rock N Roll. If taking pictures of the band with your cell phone is treated like a capital crime why go? Almost irresistible when your having a good time to want to engage the moment. Most people do not have malicious intent in mind for the pictures, just a desire to share their good time with others.

What was it the quote in the Aersomith book "The fun Nazi's?". If ever a tag fit a venue it would have to be in Tampa. I went to one show in Tampa and I swore they would never get another dime from me. It is a miserable venue and the police once you get out are even worse. Everyone I know that went to shows in Florida regularly felt the same.

 It always reminded me of the line ?how many holes does it take to fill the Albert Hall?. In Tampa the answer to that question is ?not so many we can?t make their life miserable?. Once you pay for your buzz and are being responsible this behavior is ridiculous. Sounds like it is finally costing Tampa money. Of course being a good wholesome city, why would they care, they like it that way. Sounds like it was a good show, the social epedimics of how full the venue was have less to do wth the band and more to do with the place.

I had alot of fun. But then again, I followed the rules.

Maybe i'm a fun nazi, who knows...  :hihi:

Maybe you are. Maybe they didn't see you having fun? Good for you!

 Good place for old folks to see Paul McCartney.

posted a blog and loads of pics on my myspace www.myspace.com/lilladyluck17

or head over to see the pics to the Tour section of this message board  :peace:

This review is from a buddy of mine who lives in Florida.  He hasn't seen Gn'R since '02, and is a casual fan.  He went to Wednesday's show, and posted this on my friend's website.  Keep in mind, he doesn't belong to any fan-sites, and knows a little bit about the new band:



I am going to depart from my regular review format. GNR is a little more complicated to describe.

We arrived at 9:00 PM for a show that starts at 7:30. I had no desire to see Sebastian Bach, and I was not going to die if I missed Papa Roach. I figured the earliest Axl goes on is 9:30, more realistically 10-10:30. We were on the floor which is GA.

We were not really exicted when we got their and Bach was still on, in fact we later found out he had just started. This is a wednsday.

I have one word for Sebastian Bach, retire. I hope he saved those Skid Row royalties. We stayed at the bar for this one.

Papa Roach came next. I was surprised that they were not before Bach, but then I listened to the two. Papa Roach did a admirable job. They are just like every other band on the radio with a few songs that are ok, and I would never buy their album, but they had a good live presence. Good insturments, cheesy lead singer. I would watch them open.

I want to give you an idea of the clientele of the show. I would guess average age is 37. My girlfriend kept pointing out that it was a fat chick convetion. There was a serious lack of skanky, hot chicks that are sort of expected at GNR. Lots of mullets and I was taking plenty of pictures with the camera phone. It certainly had the redneck feel, which I would expect in Florida. 10,522 was the attendance, which I would say is just over half the the Forum.

So when Papa Roach played their big song which I have no idea what the name is, but would know it if I heard it, people started moshing. So when they ended, with the collapse of the mosh pit we got to about 8 people from the front. They need a system for GA concerts for going to the bathroom, a beer to help restore order.

We then waited and waited and waited. The usual axl has AIDS chant broke out. I really did not mind waiting because I knew I was waiting for 2 1/2 + hours of a great concert. Thursday would suck, but I knew I was in store for a great show.

We finally hear Welcome to The Jungle at 11:50 PM. That is not a typo.

The band was very good musically. They now have 3 guitarist who are all very talented. None have the skill or moxy of either Slash, or Buckethead for that matter. The guy from NIN wore a red apron, with red baseball pants, with black old guy socks that went up to his calf and black old guy reeboks. I can't make this up. The other two looked like guitarists. They had two keyboardists with Dizzy and some guy in a white leisure suit. They had a bassist with a plaid suit. The drummer sort of looked like Kamala the Ugandan Giant, but he never stood up so I could be off on this.

The band was very tight and good, but they do not have the rock star status of old GNR. The shows of old GNR always seemed surreal and on the edge. This seemed very professional, business like. They dress funny, but the stage presence was different.

Axl was overall very good. It seemed that they either had the mix wrong at the beginning and were drowning out his voice or he had to warm up. The band and he were weak on the two new songs they did during the regular set.

The special effects were the best part of the show. GNR has taken the KISS mantra of you can never have too much pyro, which is wonderful. Great ending with Paradise City with tons of confetti. Good video screen. This is what every concert should have, even Enya.

My biggest complaint is content of the show. They did play Used to Love Her, which I never heard before live and I did not expect. They stuck to the hits and a lot of appetite. The two new songs during the set were not good. The one on the encore was excellent. I do not know the titles.

The problem is they only played for 2 hours and 5 minutes. That is with an encore. That is also with individual solos by each of the three guitarists, Dizzy and the drummer. That probably gives you the same hour and half crappy show I see from everyone else in rock now.

It is very difficult to rate this show on a star ranking. If use expectations from today it is a solid 3 1/2 star show, if you use expectaitions from my previous experiences with GNR it is a 1/2 to 1 star show. GNR shows were epics, easily within the top 5 of shows I have ever seen. This was eh, OK. You cannot make people wait until 11:50, and then lay that turd.

Axl I think has really ignored his audience for too long. I don't think he has the talent or skills to pull off his shenanigans much longer. This is Wed nighter, your audience has now grown up since you came out, and you take the stage at close to midnight, huh?!!

If you have seen GNR, I might only recommend this show if it is on a weekend. It is not worth the lost sleep, I am not even it sure it is worth spoiling the image you have of a GNR show. If this is your first GNR show, I am sorry you missed a legend in music, this is not the GNR I knew.

I just hope we don't see the inevitable GNR/Reo Speedwagon/Foreigner show.

Very honest review.  I agree with much of what he said, however I think the band was slightly better than he indicated.  It was no where near as epic as 1987-1993, but it was still pretty awesome.  And as a point of correction, there was no drum solo. 

He is right to state that you just can't come on stage at 11:50 PM on a Wednesday night when your core audience is in their 30's and have real jobs.  By the time the encore started you could have fit the crowd into the Hard Rock in Orlando.

Releasing the album (provided it is well received) may solve some of the issues/problems.

I agree with you.  Maybe more than anything, this review made me realize that the starting time really isn't acceptable.  If you don't follow this band on a daily basis, that's a pretty major inconvenience.

And for those "bashers," this guy didn't have to take a train, or any bullshit like that.  He's just an average working guy who loves music.   So hold off on the "it's rock n' roll man!" crap.

I guess this time issue is going to be an ongoing debate, given that I can't see Axl altering habits of a lifetime (well, his lifetime of performing anyway).  However, I'm sorry but I still cannot see why some people make such a big deal about losing a few hours sleep.  And what really pisses me off is some kind of assumption that beyond a certain age you need to be in bed by midnight.  I'm probably older than most, if not all, of the people on this board, but still I was able to see, and enjoy, many shows on the European tour and hold down a responsible job and cope with family commitments.  Yes, it takes some organising but if it's something I consider worthwhile, and this doesn't only relate to GNR shows, then this is a minor consideration.  There were shows that I'd planned to attend and, subsequently, found that I was unable to because of personal stuff, but that is my problem, not the band's.

I'm really not having a go at your friend, BKinNYC, he or she is only giving their honest opinion on the show and we're all entitled to do that; it's more this age generalisation thing that's irritating me.  But perhaps it might be an idea if the venues issued a warning that the shows may run late - they did this in the UK - in order that people not prepared to accept this situation could get a refund.  Oh and perhaps a free mug of cocoa too.  ;D

They didn't do this at any of the 4 shows I went to that have been UK based in either 02 or this year.  They were actually early at Download, which was a bit unexpected, but at Newcastle, on the hottest July day on record in the UK for over a hundred years, there were no announcements at all. 

I expected them to be late so I was ok with it - I took my chances and took the next day off work.  Obviously there are going to be people at these gigs who don't expect it - half the time the venue don't expect it so the people who don't know better and are more casual GnR fans can't really be expected to plan ahead like I and many of us on this board did. 

At Newcastle, considering the tickets came with a door opening time of something ridiculous like 6pm on them, they didn't hit the stage till well after 11.  Like I say, all good and well for me (hotter than hell, but y'know), but I saw two young lads (no more than 12/13) with their dad who had to be taken home early with heat exhaustion - that's a lot of money and a lot of excitement down the drain and they certainly didn't get offered a refund. 

What I'm trying to say is basically that you can't judge anyone's situation based on the merits of your own.  Just because you're lucky enough to be able to hold everything down, do what you wanna do and still rock your ass off for GnR after midnight doesn't mean the people who had to leave early and miss what they came for and paid for don't have a right to feel even a bit let down and disappointed. 

I definitely agree that the venues should be doing more - as soon as they realise the show isn't running to schedule, they should at least update the crowd so people can plan accordingly - or, as in Newcastle, risk going to get a drink! 

No offense to the women out there, but damn, alot of these complaints sound like a bunch of bitchy women! ?Holy shit, if you have to work the next day, don't go to the show! ?If you are gonna sit there comparing Axl at 44 to Axl at 29 don't go to the show! ?If you're gonna sit there and complain "it just aint the same without Slash," don't go to the show!

Personally, I'm driving to a show that's about 3 hours away from my house, and I don't give a fuck if the show goes to 6am! ?I'm not a moron. ?I took the next day off. ?

By the way...it is rock n' roll man. ? ;) 

See all you GNFNR fans in Jersey!!! ? :beer:

I like going to a show and having the band come on pretty much on time. It honestly is shit if you have to wait more than a half hour than expected. Well with the exceptions of festivals and stage set up, but a pointless wait of over an hour, that IS disrespectful to the fans. I didnt wanna sound like one of the bitchy people, but I've been to many concerts and they all get going when they are supposed to. GNR should just do the same. And that story about the kids passing out before GNR sucks.

I do agree it would be cool of the venue to supply water.  My guess is that either they couldn't see paying $7 for a bottle of water, or they didn't want to leave their spots on the floor. 

You're right!  GNR should just do the same.  They should be like every other band!   
...ummm, not.   ;D

well i don't want bashing anyone,but i don't know how a one day (night) of litle sleep can take afort in your job?
well in Serbia we starting with work in 7 am and finish in 5 pm,but many times i have had a 2-3 hours of sleep,and next day i have a successuful business day...
well.i have had one chace to see gnr in budapest,this spring,and i didn't less my chance

btw all of us have one life and one youth

I'm sorry perhaps I should have been more specific.  There weren't any announcements over the pa but some of the venues did put notices up on the doors warning of the later than advertised start time.  I went to all the UK shows and, as you pointed out, not all of the venues did this, but I can assure you that some did - probably the later ones, after the situation became more apparent.

I agree that the heat was a problem in some venues, especially if you were near the front on the floor, but that's just something you have to expect at this kind of show and act accordingly.  I did see some pretty young kids at one show in particular who appeared to be overwhelmed by the noise and pyros and not really enjoying it and, to be honest, if they were mine I wouldn't have considered it a suitable event for them.   Still, I guess you sometimes have to learn the hard way.

Redneck feel? Ummm, you do realize that you're in Confederate country right?

I don't know what you saw but it was very modern where I was at.

Bach owned, and was spot on. Retire? Why? He's still kickin' ass...

Papa Roach, eh, the kids liked it, but i'm a kid, and I hated it and loved Bach. So I guess...

GN'R kicked ass, and really were amazing. But keep in mind this is a different GN'R. People expecting to go there and get the old vibe, 'live fast die young', really need to stay home. The Axl-Illusion attitude is still very much alive. Keeping GN'R more as a modern-Stones, not a raunchy 80's club band on the edge.

SLC Punk...EXCELLENT review!  I gasped like 4 times!  Thanks for making us feel like we were there with you guys.  Tell Mrs. Punk hi and rock on!!!!!!! : ok:

Are you on Axls payroll?  ;D

BTW I find it disgusting and rude of Axl to keep his fans waiting that long.  The world doesnt revolve around you Axl!

The time issue is kind of shady only because the band, management, and the promoters know they have no intention of going on any time before 11, yet they don't really make any effort to let the general public kow that. There is a good chance Joe Public might forgoe the show if he knows ahead of time that he isn't going to be home until 2-3 in the morning. By at least making an effort to let everyone know you can let them plan accordingly as to whether or not they want to call off work for the next day.

Mysteron was lecturing about how some of the fans should have "respect" about some of the things that GNR's management has requested lately, and this issue is example 1 of why the band has no respect for its patrons, so it is hypocritical to ask for it in return.

Ah, but loads taken.    ;D

Nah, only kidding!  Have a great time in Jersey, you lucky swine.   : ok:

Huh?

I'm sorry but it's a Guns N' Fuckin' Roses show. People know enough about GNR to know they run late. If you expect any different, then i'm sorry...

It makes it more exciting when you have to wait. When you are at the point where it's like "COME ON!!!" and then the lights go out and the open chords to Jungle start... it's no different than an orgasm, let me tell you...  :drool:

 :hihi: :peace: : ok:

Well im Glad i dont have your orgasms then lol, i mean yeah i know its good but it aint that good  :hihi:

 :peace:

thats a load of crap.

The reason they don't let the general public know they are going on so late is because then the arena would be 1/4 full instead of 1/2 full.

After seeing that last night they sold less than 1/2 their tickets, its time for Axl to reconsider his strategy here.  Every single intelligent person on this forum said it would have been smarter to release the album (or a single) before touring.  Some nut huggers here thought he could pull it off without new material, but in all reality, he can't fill these arenas without new material (or conversely without the old band).  So, they need to get at least the single out Monday at the latest.  I'm a diehard fan who won't go again until there is more material released.  Now the casual fans certainly aren't knockin down the door to buy tickets either. 

Why is this so easy for us to see and ignored by the worst band management group of all time?

I remember the Kerrang letters page having stuff like this on it during the Illusion World Tour in 1992. It's unprofessional but I wouldn't leave after I've paid money to enjoy a band I love.

If this is something that is done on a regular basis I would complain to the band and their management.

Has anyone made a complaint about this? If you feel so strongly that would be the thing to do.

If you had a season ticket for a football team who always came out late, they would be inundated with complaints and would lose fans!

It could be the management, but more likely the singer's powertrip that destroyed the old line up in the first place.

They could go on playing massive arenas with only 500 people present but if that's the way Axl wants to do it, who's gonna stand in his way?

A first year marketing student could have planned the tour and this album release better.

Will do, thanks!

 8)

Are you able to upload the pic SLC?!

Excellent read  : ok:

In a day or so........I actually need to upgrade my cell phone service in order to do it.

It'll be worth it. A pic with any of the band is the ultimate boast!

It wouldn't be nearly as big of a deal if GNR went on right after the band before them. If they aren't going to go on till 11.30 then start the fucking show at 9 or 9.30 ya know? If they put on the tickets that the show was going to start at 9.30 and the bands went one after another, this wouldn't be as big of a deal.

But...

I don't think the issue is what time Axl wants to go on or they probably would do what I described above. The issue is that Axl wants to keep people waiting for an hour or more between the opening band and GNR. He likes the nervous, anxious, impatient energy that it creates.

It is only my arm and axl coming up to shake it. With a bit of movement thrown in. Poor quality, but still pretty cool.

Just listening to Buzzsaw on Sirius satellite radio.  They played "You Could Be Mine" and after the DJ came on and said how a friend of his went to the show in Tampa the other night and said it was unbelievable.  Said they were as good as the old band.  Nice to hear.

Good post ?: ok:

My thoughts exactly.

A first year marketing student could have planned the tour and this album release better.


fucking hell , my turd that i've just flushed down the pan could have organised this better.

I was just looking at the Harley Davidson commercial on youtube with GNR's new song on it.  Releasing Better and having that commecial hit the TV would have been a good idea before the tour.  It's now 3 gigs into the tour and these things are still not done.  I'd really like to know why.

post the pic, SLC. :D your great writing made us want to see the pic no matter how blurry it might be.


badintentions, I don't think so. I can see axl rather nervously doing the scales or some imagery rehearsal till the last minute.


Ironically, none of the complaints that sound like a bunch of bitchy women is from a female fan, it seems.

Maybe "like a bunch of bitchy men" is the words from now on.

I upgraded my phone and sent this picture to myself. It is a little blurred, but Mrs. Punk did an amazing job with a poor camera and a spontaneous moment.

(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8634/axlslcpunkyo5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

I can barely tell what that is.

Is that when he grabbed your hand?

Yes.

He is moving in and I am reaching out.

An actual handshake or bumpin' fists? Either way, that rocks!  :peace:

Handshake.

Never wash again, right?

 :hihi:

I don't know if these have been posted (couldn't find them), but I just saw them on a myspace account:

(http://i10.tinypic.com/2dspohw.jpg)

(http://i15.tinypic.com/40l0775.jpg)

(http://i7.tinypic.com/2yuagp0.jpg)

(http://i10.tinypic.com/2wn0lg7.jpg)

(http://i15.tinypic.com/48gvzv6.jpg)

The myspace account:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=12478035

Sorry if they've been posted before, they just seemed to cool to let them go...  ;D

Thanks for posting those, that show kicked ass in so many ways.

Just figured out how to get mine off of my phone and resize them. Heres the first.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/kujo722/gnr.jpg)

Aren't that Brain on the pictures? Did he play this show?

This isn't of Tampa.

Brain is there. Frank played the Tampa show.

Yep, sorry. Just realized this.

I thought they were from Tampa, since the person on myspace posted them with a Tampa tag.

Well, they're still cool pix.  ;D

They are.

They'd be great desktop backgrounds if they were bigger.  :)