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Charles Runnells of http://www.news-press.com/ reports that GUNS N' ROSES was supposed to kick off the Southern leg of its "Chinese Democracy" tour Oct. 20 in Jacksonville, but that show got rescheduled for Oct. 31. Then its Nashville stop Sunday was canceled.

But those changes weren't because of poor ticket sales or singer Axl Rose's mood, said John Stoll, president of West Palm Beach promoter Fantasma Productions Inc.

The head Gunner just got hung up in the recording studio.

"He was putting the finishing touches on the new album," Stoll said. 'But now Axl's in town (in Miami), and he has been rehearsing for two days.'

GUNS N' ROSES were set to start the Southern tour in Sunrise on Tuesday night.

Because of the Nashville cancellation, the group added another stop in Puerto Rico, Stoll said.

Ticket sales have been strong throughout Florida ? the Sunrise show was almost sold out Tuesday morning ? but the Estero show has lots of good seats left, said Jeff Hickox, regional marketing manager for Beasley Broadcast Group.

The concert is the centerpiece of K-Rock's 20th-annual Birthday Bash. The radio station is part of the Beasley Group.

Germain Arena is about 60 percent sold out for the show, Hickox said, but the radio station had hoped for more. The arena can hold 8,300 people for concerts.

"Ticket sales aren't what we thought they'd be," Hickox said.

Still, Hickox said that isn't unusual. Many big shows don?t sell out until the last minute, and there are always a lot of walk-up sales at the box office the day of the event.

Source: Blabbermouth.net

Maybe some mastering or working on the second album??

I don't think they would have postponed several dates to work on an album that's schedueled to come out a year or more from now. Axl is crazy, but he's not nuts.

Link:

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061025/LIFESTYLES/61025001/1075

So why work on an album who already have been mixed?

Maybe he was busy with the artwork or something ? We know the album has been mixed already.

I'm going to loose it :rofl:

Don't know what to make of this, if the album is already mixed and Axl is doing finishing touches then the only thing that really comes in my mind is that Ron has come up with ideas that Axl likes and he is recording them, maybe gnrbaby was right and the album is really coming out in march 2007, if so, I actually don't mind.



Also be aware of the fact that I'm heavily stoned at the moment as it's my birthday.

If Ron has started recording we can kiss 2007 goodbye too.

Hahaha.... some people kill me. First of all, we know for a fact that Ron will not be on CD. He's said himself several times.

Also, how you guys think that some person who just made up the fact that the album is coming in March has any sort of cred over the bands manager and AXL is beyond me.

It was confirmed again by Ron on his Talking Metal interview that he will not be on the album.

I'm guessing it's artwork... wel i'm hoping it is..... :nervous:

At this point, I no longer have the feeling that the album is being "held up" by anything.

I think it's going to be released in the next two months like we've been told.

I just don't think we've hit the release date they want yet.

That's good news. We can assume it's either artwork or the final stages of mixing/mastering (which comes first?) then. I wonder where this information came from though.

If you mean the information that Ron isn't on the album, he said it himself to the hosts of Talking Metal.

My bad, I meant the information about Axl being in studio.

As far as that goes, who knows. So much speculation gets printed as fact anymore, it's anybodys guess where that info came from.

Where did anyone say that the mixing is *done*?

This cd is not coming out in November, in my opinion. Hopefully December will be the month. If it's going to be out in November, they'd better start promoting it!

If Axl was really in the studio doing more work, then i think it would be doubtful that we'll see it this year. Hopefully ,if this is even true, he was just approving coverart,lyrics,photos,etc....

March 2007 is not ok with me, November - 06, December - 06 or January - 07...Is okay..the rest is just not good, not when you say - It will be this year....Okay, stoned.. ::) good for you  : ok: ..Make sure to listen to My World then, because that song you can only like when you are the condition you were when you wrote your post.  8)...Happy Birthday btw  :beer:

Happy fucking birthday!!  I don't know if this should be taken as good news or bad news, as far as a release this year?? I doubt they are working on the artwork though. That has probably already been done. They don't just say, "HEY the album is done, now let's figure out what to put on the cover!" It has to be something else. He doesn't need to go to the STUDIO to work on or approve the artwork and liner notes. Who knows if the mixing or mastering was EVER REALLY DONE, regardless of who said it. Sometimes certain people will say what the fans want to hear, whether it's true or not. A release this year is looking less likely though after reading this. 

BUT AS ALWAYS, none of us know anything and it's all fucking opinion at this point, until we hear something from Axl. Let's just hope for the best.  But I wouldn't be surprised if the album isn't done yet, not at all. It's taken this long already. Axl could be freaking out with this album NEARING release because it's been his 'baby' for so long and he hasn't let go of it yet. Letting go of this thing could be a lot harder for the guy than we realize.

Andy Wallace said he had begun working on it, but we don't know when that was. It's also pretty obvious that the mixing is done if they really plan on releasing it this year. But then again, it is GN'R.

most likely just approving the final mixes, and overseeing the mastering.

once the master reels are shipped off to the pressing plant it doesn't take that long to manufacture. it could still be up and running for the 21st of november.

It's mentioned in this article:

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061025/LIFESTYLES/61025001/1075

IDK, im abit leery of it being released this year...tour has started, no news or any hint of a new album coming out soon....

maybe this week or next week well get a single?? ???

Realistically, Axl has kept his promise.  He said, "People will hear Chinese Democracy this year", and well...it happened!  He plays the song at almost every gig!  :hihi:

Actually it was "people will hear NEW MUSIC this year". We have. So, he didn't lie.

He keeps saying the cd will be out in "fall/late fall". Merck's last known statement about the release was "there's 10 tuesdays left in the year, it will come out on 1 of them". Now there are 9 Tuesdays left, so we'll see what happens. I don't see it being a November release, so here's to December :beer:

lol.  Merck's next statement will be, "There's 9 tuesdays left in the year, it will come out on one of them..."  :hihi:

People wont be listening to Christmas songs this Christmas. People will walk around the tre while singing Chinese Demopcracy songs..

Finishing touches dosent have to mean Mixing, and tings about the soundpicture. It could mean artwork. Promo. or Videos editiong and so on. I like to belive Chinese Democracy is already done, music wise...

I must have missed it. Can someone show me the article or documentation where Andy Wallace states that he has begun the mastering? Thanks!

I don't think there's an article where he says he started it. But I assume that if he's happy with the mixes he would have had to have started them to get to a point where he'd be happy with them.

I just hope we get some sort of announcement soon... an announcement telling that its done and theres a release date would be of help..

I HATE how the gnr camp is soo secretive all teh time.. if the Cd is done which all sources are pointing to, whats the problem with telling us when it will be out.. instead being crypctic, oh it will be out on one of those 9tuesdays...

just give us a hint, a snippet anything that will let us know its done and its soon...

Lets face it, I just cant see a 2006 release. I believe its done but they just cant seem to release it. At this point I think the Album wont come out Untill at least after this leg of the tour. No video...no single. If it was coming out this year we would have a single for sure. I Think the CD has always been held up due to legal issues involving Duff and Slash.

The announcement will come when the record is done. Assuming there are only minor tweaks left, we could expect some sort of announcement any day. If it's more than that, well, put your alarm clock to whenever.

The album is being released by the end of the year. I don't see how you can't see a 2006 release.

Maybe Axl is on Jupiter years. In that case we still got a couple of years to go :hihi:

It's all about NY! When GNR plays NY I feel we will hear something : ok:

because there is no time left

Oh is it New Years Eve already?  I must've missed a couple of months of GNR touring and releasing the album in November.  Damn!

Time flies? damn I thought there were still 8 tuesdays till christmas.


I think even on hearsay there was no comment from Andy Wallace. But don't bring ont that hearsay plz.

We still have to take this article with a grain of salt, as people say, because it was a concert promoter that told this internet news site. It may not be true at all.  I just don't see them telling the concert promoter of ALL people that, "Hey, Axl is going back in the studio because the album isn't done, so we have to cancel the first two shows." I just can't see that happening. Maybe it did, who really knows?? But if it is true and there was something time consuming or major that still had to be done to the album, more than two shows would have been cancelled.  The album is coming out this year people. Be ready for it.

But actually really actually it was just "music". Not new music. and certainly not CD. just plain ol' music. and god knows we've heard plenty of that this year! Axl couldnta been wrong with that statement reaaly could he?  :hihi:

by the by can any1 pm me with instructions as to how to quote multiple posts as i shouldve quoted the post before this 1 too. Cheers!  :beer:

These "finishing touches" is okay only if that means Axl listened to the mastered record and giving an "OK".

Is it just me or does "finishing touches" makes you feell physically ill.......     :nervous:

I remember hearing that in 2002. Apparently finishing touches take years. :hihi:

I think Axl needs to stop putting "finishing touches" on things and focus on promotion.

There will be lots of axls fingerprints on cd.  :-\ Maybe these are for the cover.


absolutely not. and how people can quote multiple posts is an absolute mystery to me as well.

To quote multiple posts:  Quote a person, COPY/PASTE it, go back to the fourm and quote another, COPY/PASTE, go back find another and repeat until satisfied

 :rant: :rant:Me cago en la ostia Axl, saca el puto CD de una puta vez!!!!!! :rant:






 :hihi: :love:
Peace!!

There is an link to "Insert Quote" under the Posted on: of each persons quote when you are scroll down while writing.

Axl has been putting the "finishing touches" on this album for at least two years now.

I'm hoping, dreaming, that chinese Democracy will be a double album, like the Use Your Illusion albums. ?

1. It would be so much material, like the UYI albums, that it would guarantee him a couple of hits, and probably another two alnbums going straight to #1 & #2. ?Has anyone done that twice in a row? ?I doubt it.

2. It would be the ultimate gift to us, hell, he can even through in the Re-Recorded AFD album that he said he did in 1999.

Now, if none of this happens, I wouldn't be surprised...to me, the above is just a very smart thing to do, but...well, no comment. ?

I'm hoping this album comes out this year, but I'm about to run down to 0% of hope and faith....the fans deserve an album. ?WE deserve an album. ?We;ve given Axl his LIFE, now please give us some new music.

absolutely not. and how people can quote multiple posts is an absolute mystery to me as well.


To quote multiple posts:? Quote a person, COPY/PASTE it, go back to the fourm and quote another, COPY/PASTE, go back find another and repeat until satisfied

There is an link to "Insert Quote" under the Posted on: of each persons quote when you are scroll down while writing.




you're a genius!

in 1991, the UYI illusions went through nearly a year of "finishing touches." ? It's probably not the best time management strategy to attempt to put "finishing touches" on this opus between tours. ?I wonder if the initial "plan" was to have CD out before the european summer tour and that got postponed, like the UYI 1991 summer tour that happened without an album being out. ? That, at least, would make sense.

in english???   :hihi:

EH?!?!?!

OK: ?When you are posting a reply, beneth the text box you write stuff in is a Topic Summary that shows you the latest posts in reverse order, with the latest first. ?Those posts have in bold
 
Posted by: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Posted on: Today at 05:54:49 PM
then the post.

Underneath the Posted On text on the right, there is link "Insert Quote". ?IF you click on that, it will insert that post into your text. ?If you can't find it, use CTRL-F and search for Insert Quote on the page.

I hope I'm clear now

So if Buckethead is def. going to be on the album then why the hell has it taken so long to make?

Dude, we've been asking this for years.  ;D

you know.. they are probably still mixing it.. and it's sscheduled for a november mastering (www.sterlingsound.com) you can verify this by going there..... it's being done by  i forget his first name but last name is marino... mastering takes anywhere from 3 days to a week or so... once this happens... it's it. the release...

http://www.west-wind.com/wconnect/photoalbum/better%20riff.mp3

Now compare with the demo...

  how is that even relevant to this thread?? i mean you posted it on at least 1 other thread.. im sure people check all the relevant posts/threads... ..please hesitate to be a noob.. it's all i believe everyone (including jarmo) asks..

use your head...

it's relevant because "finishing touches" include a work on production and that's probably what they did/are doing. Maybe I should have explained it?

Don't turn it into a bashing thread.. it was relevant to the better thread being the single and how it sounds.. not about the finishing touches or any info about what goes on in the final stages of production... I can sit there and play the song, equalize it and make it sound "cleaner" than a ROUGH DEMO... geez.. i bet you didn't even read the beginning post to this thread...


On another note....  Last thing to also take place is pick out the artwork and get stuff printed for the cases.. and booklets.. anyway whatever...

Well, that says 11-17-2005...almost a year ago. ?I think 2006 is starting to look a lot like 2002...

The article said he pit finishing touched. Obviously that means he is done if he is about to go on a huge tour with probably no time to work on the album.

Expect a 2006 release.

There's definitely still time...I think I said on another thread that Gwen stefani just announced officially announced this week that she's releasing her new solo album on Dec. 5th.  So GNR are still well within the window for a 2006 drop. 

What is mastering?

The "finishing touches."

 :rofl:

Mastering is when they mix the final tracks and everything. It's when they shoot an MP3 through a big machine that equalizes everything and adds special effects and then they make it sound even better and digitalize Axl's voice at all the right parts and tweak the pitch and make it sound crisp.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastering   hope this answers your question.... basically making a final product used for mass production...

C'mon, this excuse is as lame as, well, every other time Axl has put "finishing touches" on the album. Of course the concert promoter would try to make it sound like a good thing that GNR had to cancel the first two tour dates. He couldn't come out and say, "He's Axl Rose, what do you expect?"

If it is true, and they're still putting "finishing touches" on it, with the "Chinese Democracy tour" already being about 40 shows in (counting the European dates), then there's definately not going to be any album releases any time this year.

Danke.

Then why dont you get the hell out of here and come back to the forums next year??

Did you come up with that all by yourself?

What finishing touches could be left? In 1999 he said:

"Loder: When do you think we will actually see this album? Is it possible to say early next year?

Rose: We're hoping. Yes, definitely, everything seems to be going well."

http://heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=28

Now he's postponing shows to add "finishing touches" 7 years later? Bullshit.

Do you think you came up with bitching and moaning all by yourself? Trust me, I've seen it done much better than what you're spewing. If you think the album isnt coming out, and this whole thing is a crock of shit, why are you here??

If your going to complain then dont come here and talk crap about the band. I believe we will see CD this year! have faith!

I'm just glad the album's getting its 2,138th finishing touch.....at least this time its for real.

This is the 2nd worthless response you've given. Quit now while you're 0 for 2.

I saw something hopeful from Rolling Stone magazine that said:

"In an interview with his official fan site, Axl Rose confirmed that Guns n' Roses' long-awaited Chinese Democracy album remains unfinished, but that he hopes to release it by the end of the year."

Then I scrolled down and saw it was dated August 14, 2002.

4 years later, "finish touches," that are important enough to disappoint thousands of fans over, still needed to be added? Didn't Tommy Stinson say in 2005 that this tour would begin in April of 06, AFTER the album is released? Didn't Dizzy say it would be out, then his wife posted something about ruining Christmas? Why would this keep happening if "finishing touches" were still years away from being added?

I just don't see how anyone could possibly believe the excuse for postponing shows. ?

Dizzy's wife used the Christmas thing asn an analogy...she said hearing it early would be like waiting till the day before Christmas and opening everything. It's better to wait until Christmas than wait all that time and ruin the surprise the night before.

However, you're right - the story often changes. Axl has been "hoping" to release CD "soon" since 1999. He changed that in 2002 and said "I wouldn't say 'soon' is the word," but other bandmembers in 2004 and 2005 kept saying "soon" and "hopefully soon" and so on.

 :rofl: :rofl: Not sure if that was sarcasm you used or not but regardless I found it hilarious. :beer: