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just read he wernt there last night, worried something has happened or him n axl have parted, which i really hope aint happen coz he's a totally awesome drummer n would just be shitty n a huge loss  :no: ???

aparently he was sick last night ...

CJ

Any links to that info ?

I'm wondering too why Brain wasn't there, like the rest of the fans ???

You would think it would be mentioned (by Axl?) during the show at some point...if he's sick, I hope he's better and back soon.

maybe they didn't play any new songs because frank fell in at the last minute (if brian, or maybe his baby was sick at the last moment?)

thats a good possiblity-it wouldnt suprise me that there were problems on this tour-there has been on each of the last ones!

What is the point of having him around then, if he is not ready to go on all of the songs? If that is the case, then that sucks for all the people there last night, who seem to have missed out on 3-4 songs.

well... they played better, irs, chinese democracy and the blues.... nobody missed out on anything

Wow. People, I don't know this as fact, I'm just using something crazy called common sense. The reason they didn't play any new songs last night is NOT because Brain wasn't there. It's because the new album isn't out yet. They are already playing several songs from the new album, I think it's safe to say there won't be any more until the album drops. I really hope we don't see a bunch of people saying "I hope he gives the release date tonight" for every show either. Again using common sense, the release date will come in the form of a press release, not a stage banter.

I don't believe either is the reason. I also have no real clue or suggestion why they're not playing newer songs, but I think it's about more then just the album not being out yet. I certainly don't think it had anything to do with Brain not being there though.

Brain and Frank are both in Guns N' Roses.

We'll see more of Frank at this time because Brain is still a new father. As you might know, his daughter was born in July.





/jarmo

apparently you don't have children or a family, in the real world, family usually takes priority, if this is the case have a heart!!!

Can anyone tell any discernable difference between Brain & Frank's playing?

99% of the jobs in the U.S. don't allow maternity leave for men...just sayin'.  Maybe Axl is being a real nice guy and allowing it, but I know my job wouldn't.  I understand he's on the road, but it definitely strikes me as weird that he's still at home with the wife and kid.

ever think maybe he is really sick?Or maybe he partied with Axl the day before & cant handle the booze as well. ( Axl mentioned something about having a  hangover last night I believe)

I believe he is, everything is just pure speculation.  I merit Axl for keeping somethings a surprise.  I've heard enough of the album already.

What do you mean by this? Is this official or just your opinion/conclusion??

I know a lot has been going on lately but imo this is the hugest piece of news we've heard this month. ?Frank "in" GNR? ? Big difference between filling in as a backup and being in the band. ?If brain's not back on drums in the next few shows I'm going to seriously consider selling my tix for the WV show. ?I'm sure they still rock but having seen NIN before with a fill in drummer i'm not interested in dropping $75 on seeing GNR without brain behind the kit. ?Not saying the show will be bad but I know from past experience that it will effect my enjoyment and I won't be able to get over wondering how the songs would sound with brain playing. ?I still hope the tour goes well and everyone enjoys the shows they get to attend.

sounds like Frank is no hack, so I wouldnt base your whole going to the show on Brain.

Yeah. No shit! That's kind of a big bombshell to drop that I don't believe anyone else knows if that's a fact.

I emailed Marck last night about it and he told me the exact same thing Jarmo just said so I guess its official.

first- i hope everything is ok with brain and his family...and kudos to axl for allowing him to put family first....it would be great im more employers of any kind let people do so

second, i dont follow why just because frank is on drums we wont hear more new tracks.... as is my understanding, frank has been with the guys since rehearsals started for europe. i can only assume the same thing holds true for last month's rehearsals as well....he's undoubtedly been practicing the same catalogue brain has. the reason you might not hear more new shit is because the album isnt out and they simply wont play more stuff off it till it is.

and if people are really thinking of selling their tickets b/c the drummer is not brain, then i feel sorry for you...you will miss out on a helluva time.

saw frank on drums with guns twice, didn't make me miss brain so don't worry by his absence

Franck ferrer is an amazing drummer, so is Brain.

its true man, they announced it during the european tour that his wife had a bady...thats why frank filled in for a few shows then

Yeah, I think everyone knows that. That's not the part I was referring too.

That's what I was told. The exact quote is "Brain and Frank are both in Guns N' Roses."





/jarmo

Richard is also a new father...If I am not mistaken his daughter was born last Nov. And he took his wife and baby on the road in Sept. At Inland Invasion his baby was backstage for Muse and AIC with earplugs in her ears..... ;D
The point being there's something more to the Brain case that we are not told.

Oh no, not another conspiaracy theory.

Now this is waird. Are they gonna end up like Slipknot? Or is Frank just replacing Brain for a short period..
damn..

This is a new band concept: 3 guitar players (sometimes 4), 2 drummers...
next step: 2 singers! lol :hihi:

So that's 9 guys in the band......................... ? ? ?:confused:

Maybe not......... maybe Brains wife isnt the touring kind and doesnt believe that its a good idea to be treking round the states on a pact tour bus with a newborn baby!

Jonx

Well, today GN'R is a Job Center for studio musicians. Guns N' Roses creates Jobs in America. It's good for the American Economic growth ?:hihi:
Hey, with Izzy and Bach, they are 11!! :rofl:

11 guys to play "I used to love her" :o

Call it "a band". I call it a job center. : ok:

You forgot about Izzy.

He had the baby in July. That was some time ago. I wonder if the change last night was last minute or if they have known for some time?

Richard wasnt touring with his wife and baby man, he lives in Cali now. They just went to a couple of the Cali shows. Its not like he has them on the tour bus with him or anything.

So we have 2 drummers now :hihi: Spinal Tap must be in awe :smoking:

Dude can people please stop emailing Merck everytime they have a question?  Leave the fucking guy alone.  We have people on here who have regular contact with him.  We dont need anymore. 

If you knew anything you would know that I dont email him every time I have a question.  : ok:

and two keyboardists

and besides CB is the head honcho or close to it over @ newguns

i just can't see this as being good....unless he's just a touring member for now? :-\

I was just about to share the same sentiment.

Does it really matter at this point who comes and goes? As long as Axl Rose shows up to shows with some group of musicians behind him playing music that sounds like Guns N' Roses people are going to be happy.

Yes, I said it was only for the Sept shows, when everybody in the band slept in hotels, not tour buses.
Where does Brain live?? Hawaii? No, he lives in San Jose, also in Cali.
And yes, they may have different opinions on the fatherhood responsibilities. But it's just weird GN'R would put up with that for such a long time. Basically, Brain missed about half of the European shows last summer. If he's gonna do the same thing with the US tour because he is a new father, then his employer might have an issue with that, you'd think. Especailly, when they are on the road only that many weeks of the entire year....

Close but its actually San Francisco...

He was living in San Jose a couple years ago and if I am not mistaken had a small studio there. SF is only 30-40 miles away, so yeah, close enough.

2 drummers, 2 keyboardish players, 3 guitarists, bass, singer

9 members... I wish I could find one solid member to be in a band with me.

What the hell does that have to do with Brain?? MOST wives would not want to take their newborn child out on the road during a fucking ROCK TOUR!!! There is nothing more to this and stop trying to make yourself believe that there is. I'm glad Brain is not here if he is spending time at home or if he is really sick. Let the guy get done whatever he needs to get done, so he can be back and rock the fucking house. And I can't believe how many of you are making that big of a fucking deal about Frank playing drums and being "a member of Guns N' Roses." It's not like they are both on stage together like Slipknot, so stop making the stupid comparisons. Brain has a life outside of this band and that life is his NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, so fucking live with it.

I would agree with you if this was an Axl solo project. But this "band" is called Guns N Roses so we're just trying to figure out who's in the "band"

I always took the "revolving door" take as an insult.

Perhaps Brain is waiting till CD comes out to play with the band again. Frank can handle the duties and allow Brain to spend some more time with his family. Then when the CD comes out Brain will come back and help promote it.

^ yeah new tunes and an album would just be bonuses to seeing gnr live :yes:

what the hell?! :drool:
I dont mind it at all, but it's an amusing idea...

I think it is cool. Frank is an amazing guy, and a beast behind the drums.

I think it very much matters. Actually I'm more attached to the guitarists at this point, but either way it still matters to me who comes and goes.

64.7% of all statistics are made up.

My guess is that Brain is in and Frank is in when Brain can't be. I don't get why there is a lot of discussion about this.

I read that isn't true 78.91% of the time.

If anyone was curious, Frank Was in Love Spit Love with Richard. So there's a connection there.

I hope Brain is  MIA only temporarily, but if Frank becomes the regular drummer, he is no 2nd rate drummer. So whatever happens I'm fine with it.

i was at the show last night. ive been to over 20 "new" gnr shows. just calling it as i hear it. brain is far superior to frank. i was very disappointed with frank. his play lacks passion and he has no rhythm...he's a "Flat" player. his drummng just doesnt evoke any feeling...Brain is the backbone and anchor of the band. he needs to be there...just 1 man's opinion...

No matter how much I'd love a band, the last thing I'd want to do with a three month old baby at home is then go on tour for four months : a child only grows up once, and if Brain is on paternity leave, so be it : I get the feeling Brain is in Guns N Roses and Frank is there when Brain can't be.

Im sure brain will be back soon, And i dont see why they cant have 2 drummers, They have 3 guitarists and 2 keyboard players, 3 if you count Axl on piano. Sure, its kind of ridiculous to have such a massive band but its also absurd to spend 11 odd years making an album.

Indeed.  Even funnier because the "two drummer" thing is actually happening, apparently...

It is kind of ridiculous, and it really reinforces the whole "Axl + a bunch of other guys" philosophy that many subscribe to, and it does little to solidify notions of stability within the band's line up, especially if you're someone looking to take shots (which I'm *not*).  It's especially disappointing to me in some ways since I've seen the current line up live, and have grown rather attached to this incarnation of GnR...I've really come to appreciate the dynamics that each member brings to the stage, and to the band itself.  I've never seen Frank play, but it makes me sad to think that Brain is already on hiatus, or whatever you might want to call it.

HOWEVER, it is far more important to me that the momentum that GnR have built up over the past year continues, that the band moves forward and tours, and that we push closer and closer to the release of Democracy.  More than anything, the band needs to continue to sell out venues, put on killer shows, and send a wake-up call to the world that they're not only back, but better than ever.   Regardless of who's behind the kit, that takes precedence over anything else at this point. 

I applaud Axl, Merk, and all involved for having a plan (and the musicians) in place to ensure that GnR keeps going at this point, no matter what...

Axl has taken a good look at The Allman Brothers back in March when he attended the "March madness" run of the ABB at the Beacon. They use two drummers plus percussion. There's is room for one more in Gn'R ?:hihi:

As long as they have a drummer to play with, i'm happy

I think Brain is awesome but if he doesn't have the time to commit fully Frank should be the guy. And if Frank doesn't have the time to commit fully than find a new drummer who can. I'm all about spending time with your family but............

It's a little strange and will provider more fodder for the haters.... but what's important is to address the issue quickly and effectively. For once... GN'R actually seems adequately prepared for a problem. Thank God for Frank... and welcome aboard. :beer:

None of my business, but if he wants to e-mail Merck, let him do it. It's a free country. You're not his father. If someone tells me who and who not to email, I tell them where they can shove it.

i dont think there is a need to panic, axl has 2 drummers..so what?? there must be a reason he has two drummers, and it was probably the same reason why brain was not there the other night....Axl has this thing on lock down baby!!! The time is finally here...i think we should all sit back and enjoy these last couple of weeks before the album comes out

They should put it on the official site what is happened to brain or what the 'official' status is of both drummers. They didn't, so again, very sad in my opinion and the fans are yet again discarded.

I don't know if "enjoy" is the word I'd use, but I agree...the album is almost here, the wait is almost over.  It's all good.    :beer:

I don't want to be negative, but maybe Brain's baby needs special attention? I dunno, I hope not.. :(

i bet the fucker wants to be with his baby.  hell i would.

yeah,this is the band 4 guitar players,1 singer,2 drumers,3 keys,2 bass and 100back vocals

as long as Brain eventually comes back Ill be happy. If this is for good then im just bummed...Hes a great drummer. I really hope he comes back so he can enjoy CD. The dam album is about to come out, he bette rbe apart of it

Yeah I know they should have just cancelled the dates because Brain was with his family  ::)

Because you want to be "discarded".

I posted the status of both drummers if you cared to read.




/jarmo

Allowing Brain to take time off to deal with whatever family priorities need to be addressed by him I think shows this is a real band. He was not let go, or replaced. They had the respect & courtesy to give him some time off. I know family is my 1st priority in life. Maybe something serious is going on & Brain or mgmt does not think the whole world needs to know about Brain's personal life & respects his privacy. If an explination came from Merck, that is as official as you can get. But people still question it. Frank is in GNR as Brain is.  That's all. Frank is the backup, and a damn good one from what I hear. GNR are still playing the announced dates, so I see no problem whatsoever. Oh, the drama....... :hihi:

People forget old gnr did this too. Anyone remember Fred Coury on Drums, or that guy from the eagles on drums for the music awards when they played patience? Like I said if they cancelled the tour or the dates brain could not make it the same people would be crying, why cant they just get someone to fill in on drums? Axl cant win with some of you, this is just more proof. Its one thing if it was Robin or Tommy they had a fill in, but its the drummer. The drummer is always the first to go  :P

I bet Frank already has his copy of Chinese Democracy.

For practicing purposes... : ok:

I heard from an inside source that Brain can't be available as he is currently in the studio adding the tambourine and triangle parts to Chinese Democracy.

 :rofl:

No, they're going to re-record the whole album and while they're at it AFD with 2 drummers playing. These last "finishing touches" should only take another 3 to 5 years and at that point no release date will be set it will just come out on a tuesday.

The only comment at this point is that there is 349 tuesdays left between now and......... :hihi:

I don't understand a GN'R fan... both Brain and Frank are in the band. We don't know exactly why, but it is not because of someone's hair, botox, money, grid or similar. Who knows maybe there is understudy guitar player, bass player or even singer (Sebastian Bach  :hihi: ) somewhere backstage. The Show Must Go On. With Or Without You.

Enjoy!

Newgnr.com claimed that Brain has quit GNR.

May as well just wait until we get some news, and if we don't, just forget it. I wouldn't expect a press release because another lineup change would be considered negative, and all negative press is to be ignored, hence no press release regarding the rescheduled September shows.

Really, does it make a difference if it's Frank or Brain?

We're the only ones who care, and the only ones who read these press releases.  The average fan couldn't tell (and doesn't care) who the drummer is.

So Brain is gone.  And Frank is in.  And, somehow the world moves on.

Yawn

One word post. Ban him!  :hihi: ;)

cool so how much longer we got 2 wait sir?? 4 info on the ablum and single??

I yawned twice  ;)

now that is fucking hysterical! :rofl: this brain thing has really turned some people's world upside down :rofl: :rofl:

Precisely

People always miss the point as to what goes on sometimes.

And what, prey tell, is the point?

Are you watching closely?

highend, I'm assuming that you posted this to stimulate discussion and I'm answering in this context, so please, if you're connected in an admin capacity with Newgnr, don't take this as a personal affront.  But, if I thought Newgnr were a better source of reliable information than HTGTH then I'd be on that board and not this one.  Bottom line is that Jarmo, who I consider to be a sound chap and as good a source of official info as I'm likely to get about GNR, tells me that both Brain and Frank are in GNR.  So, until he tells me different, that is what I choose to believe and why I'm on this board and not Newgnr.

Brain new baby, Axl respectful human, Frank great drummer

Go figure

It certainly makes a difference to me who is behind the kit.  I'm a big fan of Brain's other work, and I think the guy's a powerhouse.  If both he ad Frank are currently "in" GNR, as previously stated, then I'd like to ask if any possibility exists that Brain will be on this leg of the US tour at all.

When Bucket left I kind of though if someone was going to follow, it would be Brain. Remember the comments he made a year or so ago when he was asked about still being in GNR? As long as they pay me Im still in GNR.

With that said, if he was leaving, I think he would have done it by now, not when things are finally moving along again. I believe what Merck said. He's got a young daughter. I wont rehash my earlier post on this.

Maybe, I do not know

The whole issue is about respect. Everything for the last couple of weeks has been about respect. Can people handle it ?:-\

Here you go, per Mysteron.

Brain is spending time with his child.  It is only temporary.  Axl understands and thinks Frank does a well enough job.

I doubt ?:-[ ... I am really sad what and how some 'fans' acted in last few weeks...

Mysteron, why are you so criptic? ?I don't know if it's me, but I don't get your point here. Say "yes" or say "no", don't be cryptic... do you see what i mean?

So is Brain out YES or NO?

thanks for your reply dude ?:P

No

Nothing is cryptic

There you go, topic dead!!

Put this dead horse away!!

Alright, it's clear to me now. Brain is not out. Fine. :)
a+

I am sorry to interfere, but if you read the whole thread BRAIN is NOT OUT and MAYBE he will be on this leg of the US tour.

Brain will be back on this leg of the tour. At least this is his plan currently.
This is not from Merck or GN'R but from somebody close to Brain.

Hey Guys, I am going to the Vegoose Music Festival tomorrow. Praxis is playing, and on the Vegoose website, it says that Praxis features Brain and Buckethead. So I will let you know tomorrow is Brain is really there.

It's in Vegas, so maybe he's only playing gigs that are close to home for now...There will be a webcast at the same AT&T site that the KROQ show was on...Praxis goes on at 9:30 PST...

On a side note, I'm a little miffed that they're not broadcasting Fiona Apple's set, or the Roots.

WTF? So Brain doesn"t play with GN'R but will play a show with Praxis and Buckethead tomorow? are you sure about that?

Certainly puts a different spin on things if true...

I have seen everything now. A representative of GNR trying to lecture fans on respect. Coming from a group that is known to show very little of it to its fan base, that is awful rich. :confused:

Yes it seems that this is less a band and more an Axl Rose solo project and keeping the name "Guns N Roses" is just about the money.

No I'm not sure about that, I'm just sure thats what the website says.

www.vegoose.com ? Like I said, I'll post when I get back from the show to let you know if Brain was there, oh yeah, you guys can watch the show online and see for yourselves

I think Brain's the best dummer Guns N' Roses has ever had... BUT if he's on stage tomorrow night with Buckethead (of all people) in Vegas while GN'R is bustin' their ass on tour across North America... dude should be fired yesterday. I'll become President of the Frank Ferrer Fan Club.

I can't imagine that's what's going on... hopefully he's where he needs to be... with his family. :-\

I never got this... keeping the name Guns N' Roses has probably alienated more fans than it has kept.

Can you believe it Axl actually has a heart lol, and is letting Brain spend time with his new child. We dont know the home life surrounding Brain, and the early years of a child is some of the most valuable time a parent can spend with its newborn. Please lets not turn this into something more than it really is. Everyone just take a deep breath, Frank can handle the job and will do a kickass job at it.

that's not an article about the next Praxis show: it's only the history of Praxis!!  ::)

Well no shit  ::)  which is why I said I would let people know if he REALLY was there......

It does say Brain is in the current lineup, or something to that effect.

But then, Brain's in the current lineup of GNR and he ain't onstage with them either.  :hihi:

brain has been a mate of buckethead's for ages and his drummer on pretty much every album, so it would not be uncalled for for brain to play with buckethead, that would be really harsh. brain needs to be near his family atm so cant travel around america to play but near his home it wouldnt be unreasonable

If you look at liner notes, for the countless albums Bucket has put out since he left GNR, Brain has only been on 1, and that was one of the records immediately after he left...I don't believe Brain has been on a BH album since '04, although he did join Bucket, Bootsy, etc, on that Bill Laswell PBS concert this past year

And the Colonel Claypool's Bucket Of Bernie Brains one...or was that before he left GNR?

nah ur right on that one, CCBoBB's Big eyeball in the sky was 2004

yep, that was that year as well, my apologies...Even still, it's been roughly 2 years since they've recorded, with the Praxis performance at Bonnaroo in June '04 and the PBS gig this year being the 2 times I can recall that they've played live (Aside from a brief CCBBB tour in 04 as well).

I read on another website, though they're not confirming but saying Brain quit the band.  I really don't want to believe that.  He's been with GNR since they made their return in 2001 and CD's imminent release, doesn't make sense for anyone to quit now

I would like to thank Mysteron for clearing this up. If Mysteron says Brain is in thats good enough for me. I think Naupis makes a great point and this is not directed as a jab at Mysteron but the point about the lack of respect from the Gn'R camp to its fans rings loud and true. Someone should save that post :peace: : ok:

So all your 'news' posts are official then?

Franck Ferrer is mentionned on the officiel GNR Myspace ...

Brain is not in the line up for the Chinses Democracy tour.

That's it Brain is out  :peace:

if he was out we should get a press release about it.. just like we did when buckethead left, BUT when we get a press release about the record maybe they say something about brain also.., time will tell, but for now i say count brain as a member..

If you take a look at the below post, Dizzy has actually stated that both Frank and Brian are still in the band. Brian is away looking after his new baby and wife....

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=38159.msg768892#msg768892

CJ

IF Brain was out, not saying that he is, but IF...that'd be interesting considering on May 12th at Hammerstein Ballroom Axl told the crowd when introducing Brain "here's the man who Sebastian Bach told me 'where was this guy when you hired Matt?' "

So if Brain is THAT good I doubt Axl would want him out, but who knows.

Read my above post, it puts to rest if brian is in or out.... DIZZY said that BRIAN IS IN THE BAND !!!!!!

No more speculation please ....

CJ

No, not all of them. But since I was told by the band's management that both Brain and Frank are in GN'R, you can't really get more official than that can you?

Now Dizzy has said the same so you heard it from management and a band member as well.



/jarmo

It wouldn't make sense for Brain to quit now anyway.  Besides we don't know what goes on in these guys lives.  He probably has to take care of some things with his wife and kid.  I think Brain's committed, so give it time.

The only people management don't seem to have respect for are the fans. It took three posts on this thread before you hinted at whether Brain had left the band, and six posts before you confirmed the answer. Your first contribution was the very useful "Yawn". Later you said it didn't matter whether Brain or Frank Ferrer was the drummer (clearly who is in the band does matter to the fans). Normally I like your posts because they are clear and consice yes or no answers, but not this time for some reason.