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Title: An interesting thought Post by: slunksoma on October 23, 2006, 11:41:40 AM Will songs like Madgascar/The Blues/ Rhiad and the Bedouins/Chinese Democracy more likely be B-Sides now that they have been circulated for 4 years during live shows? Ive read a lot of people on here say "we know what half the album will sound like" given the songs that have in some way or another been heard, taking this into account whats the likelyhood of Axl thinking the album might have lost a bit of panache becuase of this. Sure releasing the album after the 2002 shows with the then-new songs included wouldnt have hurt,but now they have been pushed about a bit do you suppose they will be dropped/bonus disced?
Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: ThatGuy on October 23, 2006, 11:47:39 AM im guessing rhiad and chinese democracy will not be on the album
Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: Steel_Angel on October 23, 2006, 11:49:19 AM from what ive heard of CHINESE DEMOCRACY (the song) so far i think it sucks ultra ass, but an 'insider'(not a fake one) said it would be track 1.
Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: Cjc1706 on October 23, 2006, 11:50:17 AM I think that chinese democracy (the song) will be featured on the album as it is the title track ..... other wise there would be little point in calling the album "Chinese Democracy"
CJ Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: Jim on October 23, 2006, 11:51:54 AM I think that chinese democracy (the song) will be featured on the album as it is the title track ..... other wise there would be little point in calling the album "Chinese Democracy" CJ As I've said on here before though, Blind Melon's Soup didn't make it onto the Soup album. Cracking song. Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: slunksoma on October 23, 2006, 11:52:25 AM 1st on the album? that wouldnt be a good idea. unless the studio version is immense compared to the live one. Still the same song though in essense. Smashing Pumpkins had a song called Siamese Dream that got nowhere near the album so jus cos its the same title ChiDem wont necessarily command a place on er.. ChiDem.
Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: Cjc1706 on October 23, 2006, 11:58:10 AM well i hope that it is released as a B side if nothing else .... I hope we get to hear every single song that the guys have been working on over the past 13 years or so in studio quality (and yes that even means silkworms and rihad as i love both those songs)
CJ Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: CheapJon on October 23, 2006, 11:59:15 AM from what ive heard of CHINESE DEMOCRACY (the song) so far i think it sucks ultra ass, but an 'insider'(not a fake one) said it would be track 1. yeah i was that insider :P Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: daviebuckethead on October 23, 2006, 12:14:11 PM if Chinese democracy isn't on the album, then why did the band play it live in the euro tour, albeit sporadically?
i think everything we've heard will feature except rhiad and silkworms. Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: Steel_Angel on October 23, 2006, 12:41:47 PM from what ive heard of CHINESE DEMOCRACY (the song) so far i think it sucks ultra ass, but an 'insider'(not a fake one) said it would be track 1. yeah i was that insider :P http://www.gnrnews.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1213#1213 but sure, most of what he's said before was bullshit but i think this time he's telling the truth. Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: pollyblue on October 23, 2006, 02:29:24 PM the song chin dem. rocks like hell! i love it!
Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: GNRBABY on October 23, 2006, 02:33:50 PM I think it will be on the album, no reason for it not to be. The Blind Melon issue with soup was a bit different, only because there is sooooo much hype surrounding "Chinese Democracy" - it should be on the record and I think "Better" will be the 1st single on raido with "The Blues" as 2nd single
Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: oneway23 on October 23, 2006, 02:36:14 PM I think it will be on the album, no reason for it not to be. The Blind Melon issue with soup was a bit different, only because there is sooooo much hype surrounding "Chinese Democracy" - I think it will be on the record and I think "Better" will be the 1st single on raido with "The Blues" as 2nd single My thoughts exactly...The Blues is a perfect 2nd single. Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: mcalldp on October 23, 2006, 02:47:13 PM We heard songs off of Illusions before it was out and they were on teh album. Also Guns has never had a title song on an album so Chi Dem not being there would not surprise me though I really think it will be on there. I think we pretty much know what we're gettig. We kow a lot of the songs and teh basic feel and level that all the sog will be.
The fiished version will sound slicker but we've heard the ideas going into it, don't expect a complete different album. I'm happy with it already and am just crossing fingers that CITR does make it! Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: EFISH on October 23, 2006, 02:51:42 PM We heard songs off of Illusions before it was out and they were on teh album. Also Guns has never had a title song on an album so Chi Dem not being there would not surprise me though I really think it will be on there. I think we pretty much know what we're gettig. We kow a lot of the songs and teh basic feel and level that all the sog will be. Unfortanatly, I have heard that it won't be on the album (heard this YESTERDAY) and that CITR isn't even the name of that song....The fiished version will sound slicker but we've heard the ideas going into it, don't expect a complete different album. I'm happy with it already and am just crossing fingers that CITR does make it! Its my favorite Guns song, so I wish it was on CD but thats what I heard, and yeah its a trustful source.. *the person* said it might be on the second album... The song is very unlike the others, on a different level...... Was upsetting (but not surprising) news...... Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: GNRBABY on October 23, 2006, 02:51:57 PM We heard songs off of Illusions before it was out and they were on teh album. Also Guns has never had a title song on an album so Chi Dem not being there would not surprise me though I really think it will be on there. I think we pretty much know what we're gettig. We kow a lot of the songs and teh basic feel and level that all the sog will be. The fiished version will sound slicker but we've heard the ideas going into it, don't expect a complete different album. I'm happy with it already and am just crossing fingers that CITR does make it! CITR is the one we should be concerned about. I really would love to hear a finished version of thta song. Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: GNRBABY on October 23, 2006, 02:53:11 PM We heard songs off of Illusions before it was out and they were on teh album. Also Guns has never had a title song on an album so Chi Dem not being there would not surprise me though I really think it will be on there. I think we pretty much know what we're gettig. We kow a lot of the songs and teh basic feel and level that all the sog will be. Unfortanatly, I have heard that it won't be on the album (heard this YESTERDAY) and that CITR isn't even the name of that song....The fiished version will sound slicker but we've heard the ideas going into it, don't expect a complete different album. I'm happy with it already and am just crossing fingers that CITR does make it! Its my favorite Guns song, so I wish it was on CD but thats what I heard, and yeah its a trustful source.. *the person* said it might be on the second album... The song is very unlike the others, on a different level...... Was upsetting (but not surprising) news...... But Axl said he was working on a song nammed CITR in that Rolling Stone interview back in like 1999 or 2000 - with him as Rip Van Winkle on the cover Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: EFISH on October 23, 2006, 02:55:19 PM We heard songs off of Illusions before it was out and they were on teh album. Also Guns has never had a title song on an album so Chi Dem not being there would not surprise me though I really think it will be on there. I think we pretty much know what we're gettig. We kow a lot of the songs and teh basic feel and level that all the sog will be. Unfortanatly, I have heard that it won't be on the album (heard this YESTERDAY) and that CITR isn't even the name of that song....The fiished version will sound slicker but we've heard the ideas going into it, don't expect a complete different album. I'm happy with it already and am just crossing fingers that CITR does make it! Its my favorite Guns song, so I wish it was on CD but thats what I heard, and yeah its a trustful source.. *the person* said it might be on the second album... The song is very unlike the others, on a different level...... Was upsetting (but not surprising) news...... But Axl said he was working on a song nammed CITR in that Rolling Stone interview back in like 1999 or 2000 - with him as Rip Van Winkle on the cover I think it'd be WEIRD if it wasn't called CITR, but this person said it... and I beleive him 100% :-\ Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: alternativemonkey on October 23, 2006, 03:03:18 PM I think it will be on the album, no reason for it not to be. The Blind Melon issue with soup was a bit different, only because there is sooooo much hype surrounding "Chinese Democracy" - it should be on the record and I think "Better" will be the 1st single on raido with "The Blues" as 2nd single I still don't follow.? Keep in mind other examples; Led Zeppelin - The song "Houses of the Holy" doesn't appear on the album proper. It was recorded during those sessions but not released until "Physical Graffitti". Zep didn't think the album fit when all was said and done. And, that song rocks! Dokken (A lesser example) - The song "Back for the Attack" was stricken from the album by the same name. It wasn't strong enough for the final recording. Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: GNRBABY on October 23, 2006, 03:03:56 PM I think it's the one that won't be on there unfortunately, because I haven't heard Axl mention it since that article. For all we know it is a different song now....
Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: GNRBABY on October 23, 2006, 03:06:47 PM I think it will be on the album, no reason for it not to be. The Blind Melon issue with soup was a bit different, only because there is sooooo much hype surrounding "Chinese Democracy" - it should be on the record and I think "Better" will be the 1st single on raido with "The Blues" as 2nd single I still don't follow.? Keep in mind other examples; Led Zeppelin - The song "Houses of the Holy" doesn't appear on the album proper. It was recorded during those sessions but not released until "Physical Graffitti". And, that song rocks! Dokken (A lesser example) - The song "Back for the Attack" was stricken from the album by the same name. It wasn't strong enough. It could happen, it's not impossible like you're saying. My gut feeling tells me it will be on CD because the band had persisted to play it live. If it had been dropped from the current NY/CA and Euro 2006 tours then I would be more inclined to agree with you. Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: madagas on October 23, 2006, 03:12:54 PM Efish, what the hell else did you "hear" about the tracklist? :confused:
Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: Bumblefeet on October 23, 2006, 03:15:21 PM I think that CD(the song) is good even if it is a slight copy of TNT :hihi:
Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: EFISH on October 23, 2006, 03:15:31 PM Efish, what the hell else did you "hear" about the tracklist? :confused: Thats it. :PTitle: Re: An interesting thought Post by: the dirt on October 23, 2006, 03:32:52 PM I think that CD(the song) is good even if it is a slight copy of TNT :hihi: The AC/DC song? Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: Steel_Angel on October 23, 2006, 03:44:01 PM OFF WITH EFISH'S HEAD! he doesnt want to give us anymore iNFO!
Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: the dirt on October 23, 2006, 03:50:08 PM What a bum :)
Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: Ax on October 23, 2006, 04:35:20 PM It will be interesting to see whether songs played way back in 2001/2002 are going to make it on the record. As unthinkable as it may seem, I could see Axl dropping even Madagascar from the record just because it has been circulated so much over that past five years (wow, can you believe that song is already five years old?). The only reason I say this is because he did say that they have a whole bunch of songs and even if they are not as good as Madagascar, Axl might want to make it so that the entire album is fresh.
If I had to put money on it, I'd bet that Madagascar will be on the record, but I'm just saying that with the large amount of songs Axl could pick from he could leave it off. Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: 25 on October 23, 2006, 09:58:26 PM If I had to put money on it, I'd bet that Madagascar will be on the record, but I'm just saying that with the large amount of songs Axl could pick from he could leave it off. Or they could give us 13 new songs plus the ones we heard in 02. That would be better. Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: estrangedpaul on October 24, 2006, 07:42:40 AM Chinese Democracy will be on the album. They have played it on both tours fairly continously. Plus they have clearly worked on the song a lot over the last 4 years, what with the new intro. I was never a big fan of the song live. Thought it was a bit generic. But the studio clip did sound amazing on the Boston Promo. IRS, Madagascar, Blues, Better, There Was A Time, Sorry will be there also. Assuming The General and Prostitute make it, that is already most of the album that we know. The one slightly annoying thing, is that we will already have heard nearly half the album before it comes out. Maybe they should have left IRS off to make room for some more brand new songs.
It shows shows how good the album is going to be that they can consider leaving Catcher In The Rye off. Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: Baby Chaos on October 24, 2006, 07:48:59 AM I think that chinese democracy (the song) will be featured on the album as it is the title track ..... other wise there would be little point in calling the album "Chinese Democracy" CJ Maybe so, maybe not. Foo Fighters released an album called 'Colour and the Shape'. The title track was dropped from the album and ended up on a single, Monkey Wrench or Everlong. Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: estrangedpaul on October 24, 2006, 07:49:41 AM from what ive heard of CHINESE DEMOCRACY (the song) so far i think it sucks ultra ass, but an 'insider'(not a fake one) said it would be track 1. yeah i was that insider :P http://www.gnrnews.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1213#1213 but sure, most of what he's said before was bullshit but i think this time he's telling the truth. Wait a sec. This email was sent in July. It says CD "will be announced at the end of next month," i.e. August. Which didn't happen. Which pretty much puts in doubt everything else that BigBoss said. Even if he's right about the November release date, he's just repeating what Axl said on the Trunk show. So basically that post is bullshit. Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: babydolls on October 24, 2006, 07:50:20 AM i am aching to hear the studio version of t.w.a.t and interested in Rhiad studio - as its the only new song that I really didnt like much when I heard it live in 2002.
Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: russtcb on October 24, 2006, 07:54:00 AM from what ive heard of CHINESE DEMOCRACY (the song) so far i think it sucks ultra ass, but an 'insider'(not a fake one) said it would be track 1. I used to feel that way too. It's grown on me more through the years. I especially love the part from "You think you got it all locked up inside" on. Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: Longpig on October 24, 2006, 08:04:03 AM Going back to CITR - didn't Fortus reply to someone's email saying that it WOULD be on the album?!
I'm sure there's a massive thread with all his replies on and it was in there.... obviously things change, but I'm optimistic it will be on there - I'll be gutted if it's not.... LP Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: NicoRourke on October 24, 2006, 08:09:11 AM I think Axl even said (a long time ago) that songs like The Blues or Madagascar wouldn't be on the album but would be B-Sides ??? Or might not be on it ???
Is that right or am I mixing things up ? I'm almost pretty sure I've read that back in the day. Altough these days I'm sure Madagascar will be on it. Axl & the band know that the fans like the song. I think Better, TWAT, Madagascar and IRS will be on the album. Not sure about Chinese Democracy and Rhiad. And it's a shame that Catcher In The Rye is apparently going to be missing ... Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: Longpig on October 24, 2006, 08:13:24 AM He said something along the lines of they're not playing any SINGLES, not that the tracks wouldn't be on the album.
And as for CITR - I think ti will be there, but with Brian May's part re-recorded by Robin/Richard. LP Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: NicoRourke on October 24, 2006, 08:18:43 AM He said something along the lines of they're not playing any SINGLES, not that the tracks wouldn't be on the album. Oh yeah, that's right : ok: My bad :beer: There's so many things/speculations arround the album that I'm getting confused :hihi: Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: Longpig on October 24, 2006, 08:30:52 AM He said something along the lines of they're not playing any SINGLES, not that the tracks wouldn't be on the album. Oh yeah, that's right : ok: My bad :beer: There's so many things/speculations arround the album that I'm getting confused :hihi: You can't remember everything in 13 years!!! LP Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: micfac on October 24, 2006, 09:32:17 AM EFISH - WHO WAS IT THAT CONFIRMED CITR WANT BE ON THE ALBUM- THANKS ???
Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: Steel_Angel on October 24, 2006, 09:37:37 AM EFISH - WHO WAS IT THAT CONFIRMED CITR WANT BE ON THE ALBUM- THANKS ??? Richard Fortus did.Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: carlosmontana on October 24, 2006, 10:02:22 AM I hope CD will be on, I like it, one of the few...
I hope CITR stays on, but who knows, Axls might try and get it on to the Chapter 27 soundtrack. He sure likes them soundtracks... Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: feestybaby on October 24, 2006, 10:07:48 AM Guns n roses leaked tracks earlier this year to promote them, now why would axl leak citr if it wasnt going to be on the album? From a personal perspective I think it was the best song to leak and I love them all!!! It must be on the album, I'll be gutted if it doesnt make it because its a gnr epic! I know they havent played it live yet but maybe today....
Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: jimb0 on October 24, 2006, 10:08:21 AM He said something along the lines of they're not playing any SINGLES, not that the tracks wouldn't be on the album. And as for CITR - I think ti will be there, but with Brian May's part re-recorded by Robin/Richard. LP I hope richard re recorded that, I think he could pull off May's Part Better. Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: Buddha_Master on October 24, 2006, 10:22:06 AM Just wanted to add that the doors song waiting for the sun wasnt on the album either.
Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: requiem156 on October 24, 2006, 10:26:02 AM He said something along the lines of they're not playing any SINGLES, not that the tracks wouldn't be on the album. And as for CITR - I think ti will be there, but with Brian May's part re-recorded by Robin/Richard. LP I hope richard re recorded that, I think he could pull off May's Part Better. You think Richard Fortus could pull off a guitar part better than Brian May? Well, although I'd like to say more, allow me to politely disagree. Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: WARose on October 24, 2006, 10:29:06 AM He said something along the lines of they're not playing any SINGLES, not that the tracks wouldn't be on the album. And as for CITR - I think ti will be there, but with Brian May's part re-recorded by Robin/Richard. LP I hope richard re recorded that, I think he could pull off May's Part Better. You think Richard Fortus could pull off a guitar part better than Brian May? Well, although I'd like to say more, allow me to politely disagree. well.... robin most likely wrote his part in catcher in the rye he worked on the song before may..... Guns n roses leaked tracks earlier this year to promote them, now why would axl leak citr if it wasnt going to be on the album? From a personal perspective I think it was the best song to leak and I love them all!!! It must be on the album, I'll be gutted if it doesnt make it because its a gnr epic! I know they havent played it live yet but maybe today.... who says axl leaked the song?? Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: Locomotive98 on October 24, 2006, 10:38:09 AM Just wanted to add that the doors song waiting for the sun wasnt on the album either. Good point! Great song imo... Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: Janabis on October 24, 2006, 10:42:38 AM Backstage at MSG '02, Axl himself said that CITR was planned for the third album.
Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: feestybaby on October 24, 2006, 10:49:47 AM He said something along the lines of they're not playing any SINGLES, not that the tracks wouldn't be on the album. And as for CITR - I think ti will be there, but with Brian May's part re-recorded by Robin/Richard. LP I hope richard re recorded that, I think he could pull off May's Part Better. You think Richard Fortus could pull off a guitar part better than Brian May? Well, although I'd like to say more, allow me to politely disagree. well.... robin most likely wrote his part in catcher in the rye he worked on the song before may..... Guns n roses leaked tracks earlier this year to promote them, now why would axl leak citr if it wasnt going to be on the album? From a personal perspective I think it was the best song to leak and I love them all!!! It must be on the album, I'll be gutted if it doesnt make it because its a gnr epic! I know they havent played it live yet but maybe today.... who says axl leaked the song?? Who else leaked the song? Axl might not have done it, but he must have approved it... Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: estrangedpaul on October 24, 2006, 11:35:20 AM well.... robin most likely wrote his part in catcher in the rye he worked on the song before may..... There is no way Axl would hire Brian May just to play somebody else's guitar solo. He could have gotten anyone to do that. Defeats the purpose of having a legend record on the album. Brian May wouldn't have agreed to it anyway. Besides, if that was the case Axl would have just left Robin's solo instead of re-recording it. Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: Back Off Bitch on October 24, 2006, 11:41:32 AM Chi Dem would be a good opener to the album... Good riff... The only one of the songs that we've heard (not including Oh my God or Silkworms) being a b-side would be Rhiad... I like the song but i would prefer a b-side and a whole album (more songs for us)
Title: Re: An interesting thought Post by: Longpig on October 24, 2006, 11:50:21 AM Just wanted to add that the doors song waiting for the sun wasnt on the album either. Good point! Great song imo... Yeah was gonna say that, but the song was written before their first album, and got ditched because it was a weak "hippy" song. They just liked the name of it a few years later for their album. They revamped it when Jim was having "problems" writing owt for Morrison Hotel/Hard Rock Cafe. LP |