Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Serious question. As we all know Axl lost his voice drastically in 2001/2002 (and, as many would argue, it has improved significantly but is still nowhere near as powerful as it once was).

My question is - why didn't Steven Tyler have the same thing happen? He sings similar to Axl in terms of the high pitched raspy-ness, and one thinks his voice would be really torn up.

I know he had surgery on his throat for some type of issue (wasn't it cancer?) but he still sounds exactly the same as he did back in the '70s. Listen to "A Little South of Sanity" and Back in the Saddle sounds just like the studio version.

I'm not making this as a bash towards Axl; I just always wonder, how come he sounded so bad in '02 and Steven Tyler never lost his voice?

They both boozed, did drugs, smoked, and partied hard.

cause steve tylers just a god of singing.

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however saying steven sounded like he did in the 70s is untrue, his voice was much clearer. then in the 80s when they came back it was a bit rougher sounding, i actually preffer it with the roughness to it.

He like exploded his throat on the last tour

something like that, all i know is he needed surgery for it and they cancelled the show I was going to :rant:


But, they are coming back with motley cure, so its all good :peace: : ok:

Some years ago when I heard Dream On I had no idea who's song it was (I knew but couldn't remember).

That's one song that shows how Steven's voice has changed

Well, apparently Axl went for many years without singing... (the countless rumours of Axl having writers block... hence every time one of the members is asked what needs doing, they said "the vocals").  So when you go years without practising, and then suddenly go out on a stage again, the chances are greater of you blowing your throat.
Steven has never had such an extended break from the stage.

The live version of Dream On from the Young Lust CD has Steven singing the same way he did on the original recording for parts of it.  I think he deliberatly changed his style at some point, but he's still capable of it all.

It's mostly because he sounded terrible in the first place. Lemmy hasn't lost any of his voice, either. ;)

To set the record strait Steven has a great voice.  This posters opinion is nil for the simple fact he likes death metal!

I agree - I like Steven Tyler's voice a lot too.   : ok:

Regarding old Steven vs. new Steven, I think that the new Steven can still sing pretty close to the "cleaner" sound when he wants to.  If you listen to some of his live recordings, he sometimes breaks out the "old Steven" voice on some of the older tunes (such as Mama Kin).  After seeing him in concert several times, I definitely think he makes a conscious effort to switch back and forth between voices.  Nevertheless, I prefer his more raspy voice now. 

Unfortunately Aerosmith have released a lot of shit (and a great deal of their '80s stadium rock stuff started to sound like bad Def Leppard), but they've had some amazing songs and in the '70s they were on par with early GN'R and Led Zeppelin. (Rocks and Toys in the Attic - but especially Rocks - are still classics.)

And there's no denying Steven has a great voice. He has just as much range as Axl - he can do low Morrison-like bluesy stuff (think "Big Ten Inch Record") and then suddenly squeal really high ("Back in the Saddle"). The difference is unlike Axl, Steven has been more active and therefore has released some pretty terrible stuff. But his voice is unique and Aerosmith - despite some bad albums - has released enough great stuff to be solidified as a classic rock band in my book.

And Joe Perry is up there with Slash.

Joe Perry is pretty cool.? He has great style.?

I also agree that Aerosmith has produced some pretty lame music, but they also have some classics as well (Toys in the Attic, Rocks - both good albums, as Russian Roulette said).? I still buy their new albums when they come out, even though I haven't been too happy with their recent efforts.? (Honkin' on Bobo was okay I guess).?

Anyhow, I think the people on this board have hit the nail on the head.? Steven's been singing non-stop for years, whereas Axl has had a lot of time off.? I think it's pretty understandable how Axl lost some of his power in 2002 - it's like not exercising for years.? ?

To set the record straight, lots of death metal vocalists do clean singing as well. Ever heard of Opeth?  :P

michael akerfedt (sp?) ?

yeah he has a good voice.

im sorry but i have to disagree with your line about aerosmith putting shit out. The ONLY time they put shit out was in the late 90s and early 00's. with nine lives and push to play. Everything else is fucking ace.

There 80s stuff is my favourite.

I love there 70s also but there 80s stuff is where it is for me.

Most likely the answer's no. When it comes to music this guy is totally ignorant, all he does is play his old Rolling Stones and M?tley Crue records and bash everything else.

well i can understand him disliking death metal i guess. It is pointless, lyrically anyway.

Sure. I've just noticed a pattern of "That's shit  :rant:" -type of one-liners coming from Gunner80. It's his trademark, I guess.

lol i understand, he should post reasons to back up his statement on it you mean?

See Through Dreams (Death)

Born into darkness
Where sounds portay the images that are out
Out of reach from my sight
Which has been denied
Hands change into my eyes
Body senses intensified
Sight so close yet far away

In dreams my thoughts take their form
To give memories identify
Through dreams I obtain
The ability to connect sight with sound

Close your eyes and imagine to be without
What we take for granted every time we open eyes
A permanent shadow to never step away
Feel the dark in the cold
Feel the warmth of the light
Which has been denied
Hands change into my eyes
Body senses intensified
Sight so close yet far away
In dreams my thoughts take their form
To give memories identify
Through dreams I obtain
The ability to connect sight with sound

The Formative Years (Atheist)

In the short time
That I have spent here
In this ghastly plane
I've come to find
There are so many things
That should be changed
Like the relationship
Between the elder and the youth
It lights the fuse that leads
To all our problems
And that's the truth

Ambition, floods our hearts
In a world in which
We must succeed
If it's only in our eyes
Connoisseur of Opportunity
Release your stubborn nature
Don't electrify the seed
Rectify the need

We know you speak with them
Your close but very far
Communication is essential
Like the light to stars
No need to tell them no
No need to slap their hands
These are the formative years
You would not understand

The Endurance (Deeds of Flesh)

In the days of old
Journeys to the middle of sea
Brought fortunes from the products
Of monsters

Yet one such fateful journeys would prove
Trying to even the most hardened sea bearer
For the beasts of the sea would take their revenge
On a vessel of maritime lore

Somewhere in the deep south
Near the grounds of great white beasts
The ship approached to pillage them for their greed

When one struck back, the vessel took to the deep
Now abondoned, stranded on small open boats
Three doomed parties left on the open sea

What lye ahead was ninety days
To endure the harsh elements and insanity
Nothing but hard bread and stale water
A diet of ocean slavery

When the storm came to feed
The crew was left with nothing
Left starving and hungry
Winds of unbelievable nature
Waves upon waves, the beating

Watching the bailing till morning
The rain it never goes away
The nights never seem to end

Day by day the famine grows worse
Exposed to the full force of the meridian sun
Without shield, the burning influence pierces through skin
The thirst unbearable, fastly wasting away

Dying from the elements
One boat lost at sea
Survival would soon turn to depravity

And out they spoke
And out they spoke for lots of flesh and blood
And who should die
And who should die for a fellow's food

As one fell to weakness
The corpse ready to be disposed
In the sea
Lying there like a tasty meal of salty meat
In that, they should find relief from present sufferings
So preparations were made to preserve the meat
From spoilage
Separate the limbs - Cut the flesh from bones
Open the chest - Take out the heart

Now the cravings of nature
Could be eagerly devoured
A most deplorable and affecting picture
Of suffering and misery

Suffocation (Morbid Angel)

Laugh at the tragedies
Mock with disrespect
Goats under rule of father time
Leaches pass judgement on their fellow kind
And die when their inner self goes astray
Alas, I pay homage to the ancient ones
Speak my name!!
Raise the staff of the morbid priest
Descend into the fires of the true law

Suffocating evil smoke arise
Cleansing the masses of iniquity
Cauldrons blaze in sanctifying ritual
Vile crematory burns my eyes

Mortals filled with despair
They quest to forsee their fate
Caverns below await the wine to flow
Rape the harvest of souls
I watch in awe as the crucifiers march
Killing time, killing all I see
Another moon rise, human waste
Screaming 'Why hath thou forsaken me ?'

It's the dawn of the crucifiers
Suffocation

I don't see any "pointless" lyrics here. Does this lack the emotive transcendency of Motley Crue and Ratt?  :rofl: Of all things, lyrics are probably death metal's strongest point. Big vocabulary words sound nice and scary when they're grunted out. HEMORRHAJACULATION REVELATION DEFENESTRATION!!!!  :rant: ;)

They are called death metal, surely they get that classification because they sing about death, so why should bands that dont roar and grunt about death every song be classified as that?

Because death metal is MORE than just grunting, even if it's the most popular type of vocals, since it's not so hard to do. The first death metal band ever, Possessed, had more of a punkish vocalist, but it was the MUSIC that defined Possesssed as death metal, not the vocals.

The whole grunt thing really picked up in the early 90's, almost a decade after death metal was created. You can thank grindcore and Napalm Death for that, for good or ill.

Death metal lyrics are often about death, but not as much now, since that subject has gotten old to a lot of people. It was much more prevalent in the 80's and early 90's than it is now. The lyrics can be about anything, just as with any other musical genre. It's just that medical terminology sounds good grunted, that's all. ;)

Well surely if these bands are much more now, why are they classed as death metal still?
image?

and whats melodic death metal? dokken except gone evil lmao?

Steven Tyler in my opinion is probably the greatest rock singer ever.


He is the only person I have ever seen that actually sang over Axl. 

Sound. Death metal is very similar to thrash, but has less "machine gun" riffing and more rhythmic complexity. The drumming is very technical as well, and the vocals are usually harsh, but not always grunted.


Try Skyfire, In Flames, At The Gates, Opeth, and Children of Bodom. You'll get a general idea of what it sounds like from these bands.

As for rock singers, Freddy Mercury is probably the best pure rock singer. But, since Judas Priest's albums Point of Entry and Turbo can be considered rock, rather than metal, Rob Halford can probably claim the title as well. ;)

Steven Tyler is definitely one of the best out there.  I also think Brian Johnson from AC/DC is pretty damn good as well. 

ohh his voice got worn too fast...id prbz have to go with bon scott on the ac/dc front.  : ok:

Haha Brian is like nails on a chalkboard.  I'm a huge Bon Scott-ac/dc fan, not so much the Brian Johnson stuff.  I think Freddie hands down gets the best vocalist ever award.  That guy could wail and then some.  I love Tyler and Axl, but Freddie has a charm with his voice that nails it.

problem with freddie is, the music he made on alot of albums was really rock music. only particular albums by queen are rock (more 70s era).

Whereas aerosmith and gnr have got that sleazy blues rock style which i just think is ace. Maybe its personal oppinion i dunno but thats how i feel bout it. Freddie was a good singer...thinking bout that though, would his voice have lasted as well as stevens and axls have?

That's definitely true ... GNR and Aeromsith have that sleaze-rock factor that makes them appealing.  Freddie was an awesome vocalist, but was a little too clean in comparison. 

Regarding Brian Johnson, I realize his voice has deteriorated some over the years - more than Steven Tyler's voice.  But I still love hearing some AC/DC classics with him on vocals.  Bon Scott was also a great singer - that band was fortunate to have had two great frontmen. 

THIS COMMENT IS ABSURD.

agreed lol. tylers voice is ace...and lemmys voice, to say its the same as it was in the 70s is madness

The thing is that Steven had some good singing lessons in the late 90's, then he learned how to control his voice...is really THAT simple...

his voice was fine before lol.

Yeah, but now it's better! ;D

ahh good, thought you were making a dig at the man that is known as steve tyler.

Steven changed his voice, if you listen to the first record, especially, he used a voice he thought sounded more like a black man's and he didn't like his real voice. The only song he used his real voice for was Dream On.

Tyler's prolly one of few to have a range much higher than Axl's.

Because for some unknown reason I have to pay for some past crime by listening to his God awful voice. Sorry I just don't like Aerosmith. :P

you told us this in the other thread. and even if you dont like them, theres no way you can say his voice is "god aweful"

whatever

I can say his voice is shit on a stick if I want. You express your opinions I'll express mine : ok:

Oh yeah MRLEE. Maybe if you got your cock out of Steven Tyler's mouth he could sing better. Screw this lame ass forum. I'm outta here bitches. So juvenile aren't I  :peace: :love: Maybe I'll start one where you can say what you want and not worry about being banded and shit. With rumors and naked ladies. Freedom of speech is so rare. Fuck you Jarmo. Communist Nazi! :rofl:

Another intelligent commentator. How refreshing.

Note: I'm being sarcastic.

haha well he lasted long here, foolish noob, every post he put in this forum was just anti whatever band.

I dont think there was a band he actually said he liked?