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The less you know:

The more you question.

The more you want.

The more you talk.

The more buzz is created.

Look at the board(s).

Watcha-think-bout-that?

its fine for board geeks like us, not for the global masses! :-[

I think this has gone on for FAR too long now...

maybe theyll drop a hint so the general public will take an intrest.

silence won't promote it, we've had too much of this.

I got a feeling I'm going to get banned because of this whole ordeal...

I think you have something there...do you see how many people are logged on to HTGTH?  And we are not talking about it here!

Yeah, that just causes excitement for the people how were going to buy it anyway. Chinese Democracy is one big ongoing joke to most people.....95% of people who
even know what it is probably think it will never come out.

people like myself with little to do waiting for something we want its simple Economics... I demand it... they supply it... at least you hope... thou, i have demanded it for years... but, that seems to be just about over... I think the album has a "Purple Elephant" tag attached to it so... when it comes out most of everybody in the world will know... GN'R fan or not... it will be on Mtv, Vh1 etc., etc., cause it has been long awaited. So there is no real marketing needed. If you just let marketing go by this it would even be good enough... hell, if a person gets the CD and tells two people there is spreading the word right there... It will catch like wild fire... I am a huge GN'R fan and here at college just the sparks of the tour and that the CD is gonna be out this year along with the small Axl mentions here and there have had tons of people I now around campus asking me about GN'R or telling me they cannot wait, if I have any info., people telling me I heard the leaks, I love Better... blah, blah, blah, it will be fine... people will flock to it...

And the only thing that's gonna change their mind?

Actually releaseing an album of good material.

Honestly, I'm not sure how much promotion would have an effect on the preconceived notions about GnR and CD.  The best promotion they could get, to change peoples mind, is dropping the album (and probably a single) that's good enough to compel people to buy it.

Getting people to hear it in the first place is PROMOTION. No one's going to know how good it is if they haven't heard anything from it (single/video/radio) or don't even know it's out (media ads etc).

Hi People,

My last post got shredded so I will post it again.

There is obviously a self glorifying marketing campaign taking place and all words of wisdom must come from Mercks mouth or they are destroyed.

Why is this site removing certain articles when requested by Merck and leaving others. Why do we have to read the cringe worthy news releases by Merck and any other information from a reliable source such as RollingStone or Scott Dickhead Weiland get absolutely destroyed.

Why bother? Has Merck granted this site special privilledges? Who is developing gunsnroses.com anyway? Should it amaze people if it was somebody from here?

Chinese Democracy -> Self Glorifying Propa Fuckin Ganda -> Chinese Dictatorship

I want the Democracy. The Album. With all its negative comments, positive comments, true comments, false comments, reliable sources, unreliable sources.

Dont sign up to the dictatorship. Keep this site as good as it has been for the previous 10 years before Merck stuck his tongue in someones ass!!!

oh just shut up... you have no clue... you just have no clue

what? wow your gone... a conspiracy theorist... i admire your determination... may your cause live on... spread the word fuckhead... what a maroon...

velimir... you beat me... lol... your comment was good... we need a psycho profiler... to get rid of these people... jesus...

Gentlemen,

Why am I a physcho. Normal dude. Normal mates. Good life. Good family.

Are you guys not concerned why certain articles are removed?

Not sure where you guys are from but in Ireland if information is witheld and we are told whats good or bad / right or wrong we get pretty pissed off.

Axl comments on slash -- Posted
Weiland comments on Axl 'commenting on slash' -- Removed

Rolling Stone prints an article about an event that happened. -- Removed

I see stars and stripes everywhere. The worst form of dictatorship in the world.

Dude shut up,
He took it off because the article is coming out in tomorrow's Rolling Stone. After its put out, then people will be free to post anything they want about it on the message board.

It's a message board on the internet. ?Get over it. ?Go to another board if it has the information you are looking for or wish to discuss.

Cool,

Thanks for the info. And apologies for the post.
By the way. The conspiracy was just a bit of crack.

Do you know Merck personally? Do you know why he does this or that? NO YOU DON'T. So you have no clue... still you put yourself in position to say all those things... funny.

It's okay... sorry if I came off as a dick... you apparently have a case of Chinese Democracy Fever Type C... I think at this point we all do... so enjoy your day : ok:

Cheers Dudes.

The stress of the office got to me :-)
Hopefully we all get the true words soon............lyrics

Merck has no control over this site.

Jarmo does what he does because he respects other people. You may see this is as a fault, but it is the way this site has been run for years.

He cares about the people on this site, and he also cares about the people in GN'R and their families etc..

We have a good thing here. Don't spoil it.
 

So whats your opinion on this whole Rolling Stone thing?

Indeed....

Mysteron, you are one of the only people on here who gives us info(though is it sometimes very cryptic) Please tell me the harm in talking about an article that Merck himself participated in, and that is available for anyone to read on the rollingstone website?

It's nothing, to be honest.

I am wanting a physical copy of CD like everyone else. RS have not provided that. They have not even provided a full tracklist.

The new album is coming this year and the only news that matters will come from Guns HQ

I'd be happy with a date, as in which month is it going to come out in 2006?  Mysteron?

I'm beyond tired of all these games....WE NEED DEMOCRACY!

Mysteron - sorry for all the questions, but do you know if there's any validity to the idea that there may be no given release date for the album before it hits stores?  Was that just sarcasm not fully represented?

It would have been sarcasm

Thank you.

Market this.  Is there any chance that they would not call the album "Chinese Democracy"?  That would be attention getting.

And also pretty lame , since even the most casual music fan knows what Chinese Democracy is :peace:

It would be unexpected.

I really think that when an article is removed, but it can be found at the mygnr.com forum or gnrdaily.com it makes this site look very uncredible. ?We are fans, we need to know what is going on. ?Without us, there isn't much support of GN'R out there at this time.

Rainman

Threads being deleted implies that you have something to hide. If you have nothing to hide, than just explain why? I think we deserve that.

I mentioned last night that I believed it to be tongue-in-cheek.  Still, the promotional cycle will be unusually short.

It's true.  It's just like Axl coming on "late" for shows.  The wait builds suspension, gets people chanting more, etc., and when they finally come on....

It's also a totally cocky and arrogant-ass thing to do, but I ain't complaining.   : ok:

Honestly, I'm not sure how much promotion would have an effect on the preconceived notions about GnR and CD. ?The best promotion they could get, to change peoples mind, is dropping the album (and probably a single) that's good enough to compel people to buy it.

well said.

i dont purport to know what the 'right strategy is' but the ultimate succes of an album, IMO, is whether or not it has 'legs'-meaning it sells at a good clip for an extended period of time...there are plenty of records that have a ton of promotion dropped into them with huge amounts of ads and press junkets and then when the release comes, the album maybe gets a high debut and the drops into oblivion because the material sucks (janet jackson and garth brooks as 'chris haines' come to mind)

actually you can apply it to the movies too--- the remakes Godzilla, King Kong, Superman Returns---all had huge promotions and tie-ins with release dates that were known waaay ahead of time and all failed to live up to the expectations of the hype because in the end, the product simply was mediocre

where am I going with this? i think axl wants this this album to rise or fall based on its strength as a final product out of many hard years of work..not because it was tied into commercials or there were flashy ads in a newspaper or magazine that got it some brief hype.

axl and merck have affirmed its out this year. nobody in the guns camp has strayed from that line. the music will do the talking.

CD is a powerful brand name. i don't think much promotion is needed. there's gonna be major buzz when it's released.

the hope is for this album to be on the charts for over a year. the first week/month isn't gonna mean much. and it's not where they'll make their money back.

i think there's still some confusion regarding band members and may see some backlash due to a "new" lineup. so the best way to win over new fans is to give them a good product and win them over with it before they even have a chance to fully realize who is or isn't in the band.   

You could have hit the nail on the head. This would be a very gutsy move and one that could gain Axl credibility in the press.
-- He rarely does interviews.
-- Doesnt promote gigs too much.
-- Releases the album, without advertisements and without radio. Lets music do the talking.

A record company would not let him do this. Maybe thats why he and Merck have taken this on by themselves.
I would love if this is the case, however, Mercks rediculous press releases dont give me too much hope.

Well that sort of promo could go both ways you know? In some it could be seen as 'keeping the mystery' to it all. But to a lot of other people it comes off as pure arrogance and disregard for the dedicated fans.

I like the opinion of " let the music do the talking", but would also like to see bad ass posters hanging all over town! Guess the CD will be accompanied by some promo material for the record stores and it's up to them to decide how much display CD gets. For me all that counts is that the music rules and CD has a bad ass cover!! The rest of the mediahype and all...the supremacy of the disc(s) will tell!

Thank you for putting this crap to rest : ok:

So if this article is really nothing or was not supposed to have some content, then I guess Seb Bach is going to be yelled at for revealing a new song title :hihi:

i dont see how banning talk of a song title and a propsed release date in anyway could harm a band member, so protecting the band is out.

although i think he is trying to keep on managements good side so we can get official news first, when it happens, whcih is a god thing. but censorship, is not.

this whole thing isn't jarmos fault, he was put in a position by management, its their fault.

..andisn't Rollingstone out today anyway  :peace:

The release, itself, is the promotion. It would get more than enough to accomplish the notification of it being out....hell, look at all the press a RUMORED release date has gotten.  MTV, radio stations across the country, Rolling Stone.....imagine what an ACTUAL release would garner.

Knowing how good it is would be accomplished by single play, press reviews, and word of mouth, of which there would be plenty.

I don't think you'd NEED media ads for promotion, depending on how they want to handle things....and the single and video could come at the same time as, or shortly following, the actual album drop.

Good point there! Would explain why they are so vaghue about it...see what reactions it causes and if nobody would care, drop promotion anyway. Now it seems like the media is giving them all the promotion they need for free and hyping it up from their site only causes more interest. Have a feeling we might indeed be surprised...soon? :beer:

Should be according to the article...anybody has a scan of it already?

are you kidding we aint allowed to post a link to it never mind scan it in!!! :peace:

Better in an advertisment???

http://strigl.wordpress.com/

The links do not add up.  You go to one, and it says to go to another.  You go to that one, and nothing there. 

Wild goose chase. :no:

Who thinks Jarmo is a bitch for disallowing anyone to post anything having to do with the Rolling Stone story? Jarmo, you fucking slavish automoton, how far up GNR's ass are you? You're just like the brain-dead sheep who follow Bush into the burning maw that has come dangerously close to ruining this country.
And for all of you little cunts who will come to his defense, do you think Jim Morrison or Hunter Thompson or even Axl would bow down and suck authority's dick like Jarmo is so eager to do?
Rebellion is dead in this fucking graveyard of conformity.

ah, i thought the issue was in getting the article before it had been published. Now that its out (presumably), i figured all would be ok. Rolling Stone magazine is huge. What difference would it make if one on the whole of the internet refused to acknowledge it ?:peace:

Besides, i thought Gn'R were on good terms with Rolling Stone magazine. They've appeared on the cover enough times ?:peace:

that's some pretty heavy sh*t spoken there  :hihi:

If this is how they are marketing the album, it is pretty lame.

"The Buzz"???   Ya there is zero buzz around casual fans.

The "Hardcore fans"  are going to buy regardless.

Mabey they spent to much money on producing this album, they have nothing left to market it with

shut the fuck up!
Jarmo does whatever he likes with his forum, and im sure there is a reason
why he has decided to not post this. So respect that or just get the fuck out of here.
This sure is a messageboard, and Jarmo have run it in a great way in 10 years now.
Like i say in my signature ....... but i still think there is a reason for this..
if you want to read it, just go to the main source...

There is not zero buzz.  If there was zero buzz you would not be hearing CD mentioned in the press, on MTV, and on radio stations across the country.

Ya you got me there.....  ::)  It is true that any news out of the gunners camp gets reported regardless.

The lack of buzz, that I was talking about was that of the casual and non fan.   There is a ton of people out there that stopped listening to gun n roses in the 90's and havnt gone back.  A lot of people think Axl is a fag and the true band was around Slash.  Not my opionion, but that sharred by many old fans.

The UYI albums and AFD where sold manly off the success of hit singles and the general buzz of this kick ass rock band... 

No top single = No real Buzz which ='s No huge sales

I think SLC's point, and it's an opinion I share, is that all this media coverage of CD and GnR are going to raise them into the conciousness of the casual and non-fan (assuming they are music fans, or listen to music, in some form or another).? That's the begining of the buzz....

Then, you're right, they're going to have to either hear something off the album, or hear something ABOUT something off the album to compel them to purchase it.? But that doesn't need to get done BEFORE the album drops.? Again, look at Appetite.? All that stuff happened AFTER the album was released and it sold like gangbusters.

If people hear about it...that's enough for them to know it's out there.? Letting the music speak for itself, via word of mouth, reviews, and radio/DJ patter will get them to buy it.? IF thats what GnR is doing, it's a ballsy move, and speaks volumes about their (Axl's) confidence in the material....which, to you and me, should be good news, too.

you go to someone's house, you play by their rules. but i liked the 'burning maw' bit. very cormac mccarthy.

Comparing Jarmo to Bush is an all time low.......... :hihi:

I disagree with it too, and have the shit posted all over my forum. But...........in Jarmo's house, I have to abide by his rules. I stick around here and read, and post about it somewhere else.

Not that big of a deal.

Bush, Hitler, communist, gay, Swedish, nerd... I've been called many things.



/jarmo

Bush was the worst though.............really.

 :hihi:

Or it could mean that the label has given them a pittance of a marketing budget. Me thinks the label might have left it up to Axl to fund a major promo campaign, which might be why we are seeing an attempt to have a grass-roots campaign that won't cost anything.

There is no way that if they had the funds to promote the shit out of this they wouldn't be doing so. The fact they are not means there must be some sort of monetary restriction involved, and one would have to think that comes from the label.

I agree. ?To me, the frustrating part is WHY is management not allowing any of this? ?I understand "Waiting for the press release," but I think the dangerous part is that it will fall on deaf ears. ?It's going to take us diehards to spread the word again.

You can't compare this marketing "strategy" to Appetite, and just expect people to find them again.. ?They were a new band then, and just breaking through. ?Gn'R now has a lot of baggage (good or bad, depending on your view), and it's going to be a lot tougher to convince people that this band is STILL good.

so...that makes you a gay, swedish commie nazi???

couldve fooled me :hihi:

whatever, i have a feeling with the tour starting in 5 days time, there will be alot to discuss next week

Swedish? Thats harsh. Jk 

There's actually LOTS of reasons not to run that type of campaign for CD (just letting the label throw money at it)....not doing so does not, necessarily, have anything to do with finances or spending. ? It might, but it's not as definite as you seem to think it is.

Grass roots marketing, alternative marketing, and all sorts of other promotional techniques have been used by some pretty high profile projects. ?Consumers are being found to be more and more jaded toward traditional promotion because they have more and more control over how content is distributed to them. ?You'll find that there are a LOT of high profile PR firms who are trying things differently. ?

Usually promotion is used to bring something onto the publics radar. ?If you listen to rock music, chances are you've heard of CD before (and are hearing even more about it now). ?Why spend money to do what's already done, which is all that print, radio, and tv ads are going to do?

You MIGHT be right. ?It might be entirely a financial consideration, either because of the money already spent of because of the labels lack of confidence in the material. ?That's possible. ?But to say it's the ONLY possibility is just not true. ?And, from what we've seen and heard(some of which we can't talk about here)....I think that's becoming less and less likely that finance is the reason.

GnR, as they should, seem to be using lots of different, non-traditional, stuff. ?It looks like they're going to market this album differently than any album before. ?If they're successful, and I don't think I'm understating this, they could evolutionize the way music gets marketed.....which would be pretty slick. ?It's always been said that CD may revitalize and revolutionize the rock industry. ?It may get to do that...and not just through the music on it.

Not to go off topic, well yeah, to go off topic. ?If ya'll really think there is a strong similarity between Hitler and Bush, you need to read a history book. ?I understand the joke and all, but I think some of ya'll really might believe that shit. ?Market this...yeah.

I think it has nothing to do with finances.

Naupis, that 35-55 group is the type that has money.....money to actually buy cd's. Record labels are beginning to shift marketing focus from young hipsters to people like me. 40 year olds with money to spend. It's a big niche that hasn't been addressed in the past.

What is the issue here? Any link removed from this board can be found in other places if one is expeditous enough to look. I

If Jarmo does't want it on his board, then that is something we have to live with.

I don't see how this affects anyone's enjoyment of the new music or the anticipation for the new record.

Exactly, that is the point.

Not necessarily the income level, but the age group.

Who was listening to Guns n Roses 20 yrs ago? What was the age group????

Who are the trying to appeal to here?

Ever seen how many 80's actors are on tv at night now? Wonder why that is? Who are they trying to appeal to?

Please don't discuss any brands associated with a leaked tv ad for now. Thanks.



/jarmo

You are like Bush!!

You Swedish nerd!

Edited for Spelling (I'm from Utah.......whadda ya want?)

Oh, Oh!!!   ME, ME, ME!! : ok:  (32 year old)

How is a Harley ad on Harley's web site leaked? The ad isn't leaked. I think something is leaking though.

Right, so anyways, I really like that classic American motorcycle's new internet ad featuring a song off of Chinese Democracy

What do you mean with leaked ?!? There is a link to it at the main page of the official harley davidson site.

C ya

Matt.E.Zin

I think it has less to do with the demographics of their target market...but for GNR it is probably more to do with the image of "said product".

I would be interested to see who is advertising during the World Series.

what's maroon? I can't see any maroon around here, except maybe the text and buttons?

He's quoting the old Bugs Bunny cartoons.....so maroon is actually the correct word.

Or at least I'm guessing he is.

I dont remember "spread the word fuckhead" in any bugs bunny cartoons. :hihi:

Yea, wow, that's an old age group there...........posting from the retirement home or what?

Hey, thanks...I do it all the time which is why I noticed.

Way to make me feel old, dude.   :rant: :rofl: :hihi:

Make sure to record Matlock for me.........thanks.

"tv ad" huh?
looking good, but certainly not an unjust release....

And tape Murder She Wrote on your betamax for me too, huh?

I think this answer's the question as to whether they are going to promote the record. ;D

I wonder who is advertising during the World Series.  Doesn't it start tomorrow? 

advertising during the World Series? What is that?


Seeing the sales of GH, I doubt it. I bet its the band's choice.

What is more democracy, a Grassroots movement or media hype?

Remember what axl said before better at the inland invasion show?
They were there because downloading motherfuckers had pushed them to, or something along those lines.
and Remember what the downloading mother fuckers did then?

Go public to voice your opinions rather than just inside of fan circles and let the world know your cravings for Chinese Democracy.

It's high time music fans stopped following the media like sheep.
You can stir things up and let the media follow you.
That way, you are a part of the movement. then, this is your thing.