Here Today... Gone To Hell!

For one thing, it will show up on amazon.com a few weeks before it is set to be released. Also, there are thosands of people that work for Best Buy, HMV...surely some of them would let the cat out of the bag.

I bet it could show up like that..

Maybe there would be a day or two. But it wouldn't be hard to tell amazon "Don't put this on the site until xx/xx/06"

I'm glad they might do this. Unconventional.

Not to mention that CD's show up in unmarked boxes that aren't supposed to be open until the date on the box.

....

Even then though.. we'll probably know a day in advance.

yeah but only internet nerds would know... the average person would just go to a music store and be hrmm what's this?? although a cd with no promo (i think) is a bad idea...

Who knows if Merck was just being cryptic (which is apparently a very favorable GNR camp tactic), tongue in cheek, or if there is actually merit to this?  We'll all discover the answer soon enough.

Shhh...we can't discuss it!  :hihi:

Discuss what?  ;)

GeraldFord is just GUESSING this might happen!  : ok:

actually you are completely wrong about this statement.

cds show up through out the week for the following tuesday. they are labled by who sent them (universal, ect., ect.) and the date they are to be put on the shelf.

They are opened IMMEDIATELY after they arrive into the store to make sure that the quantity is correct, and so they can be labled probably in time for tuesday. If they werent opened until the day of release, nothing would get on the shelves in time.

when it is coming out, we will all know ahead of time.

Ahh... man.. I thought I was cool for a second...

Jk. I guess this guy is right! Ignore what I said.

I think it would be an AWFUL idea to try to release it without any notice. Limp Bizkit...The Unquestionable Truth...remember that?

thats ok, not everyone works in a music store.

my department at best buy handles this stuff. i already mentioned on the board that if i hear/see anything, ill be posting immediately, with album art goodness and such.

though i hope by that time we already have album art and a release date. i am very against some sort of surprise release.

please dont compare limp bizkit, with axl rose huge comeback

Yup, sold around 4 copes total I believe.  Was this due to the surprise release or the music?  The world may never know.

this is the comeback of one of the best frontmans ever, im sure if they release without promotion, that zero promotion, would generate promotion




how many times did i say promotion? :rofl:

its pretty brilliant if you ask me... Release the most anticipated album of all time without notice... it will be on the news because of how unconventional they did it

I bought one... yeah I can admit it, I like Wes Borland

Has anything been ordinary in the last 13 years? ?CD never had a confirmed release date, why should it now

Probrably the release because there seems to be a huge demand for crap music these days.

I actually like the idea of no prior promotion. Let it stand or fall on its own merit.
Why entrust the marketing to a room of suits, run the 1st single into the ground, then put out the album that has to live up to the hype of the marketing campaign.

Believe me, Chinese Democracy has enough hype already.

Remember UYI 1& 2. Release 2 seperate albums at the same time? Thats crazy!  :hihi:

They would be idiots to do it this way. releaseing the album withut notice would be absolutely moronic froma  buisness standpoint. Plus as far as a creative standpoint goes I guess it would be creative.  We could all sit here and praise Gn'R for being so unconventional and creative.  Creative in the dumbest way possible.  There's no way they'll do it like that.

you guys seem to forget that the ones that care about GNR now are on these forums, everyone else needs convincing, convincing in the form of a single.

yeah axl's great, yeah GNR rocks, but 9 out of 10 people nowadays think he is the biggest fuck up in music history and a total joke.

which i think is a shame, because so far these leaks are the best contribution to rock ive heard in the past 5 years.

Hey truth be told, Borland's a great player...The fact that his solo stuff was so heavily indebted to Mr. Bungle helps his cause, in my eyes.

california is probably in my top ten albums of all time.

You can't compare this to Limp Bizkit's album, becaue Limp Bizkit had already reached a point where fans were apathetic towards them.  Their prior album had been a failure even though it was promoted pretty heavily.  So when they released this album nobody, fans and media alike, cared.  Limp Bizkit was already irrelevant at that point.

If Guns N Roses did this, there would be a media frenzy and it would be all over the entertainment news.  So the results would be nothing alike

Has any1 checked their local store, it may be out!

im going to quote myself, because for some reason, you guys keep missing the reason why this could never happen.


also, i want to remind everyone that Axl isnt the one releasing CD, Universal is, and Universal is going to go with their tried and true route of making money, which is promoting an album.

While this is very true, there was a rumor a while back that Axl had been financially cut-off by the label and it was up to him to get the album finished and released. I think it is safe to assume that the absolute total lack of promotional push or advertisement thus far, as well as the rumored no release date release is the act of someone with no budget to work with.

For all we know the label could have very well told him they weren't going to pump a ton of money into promo or advertising because he pissed away the entire advance and a shitload of other money just making the album. It is entirely possible they could have just decided to eliminate their financial exposure to the project and have left it up to him and his management team. Which would explain why no money has been put into the promotion of the band.

Yea, but Word of mouth is going to be king! I'm sure any causal fan that is already predetermined he doesn't like Axl would be more likely to buy it if he hears " CD is out and it's actually pretty good" as oppose to "CD is coming out XX/XX/06". 

Plus, this could be another attempt to recreate the magic of AFD by just putting it out there and watching it climb the charts as oppose to having a HUGE debut week, then crapping out because all the hardcore fans already bought it the first day.

we have 4 categories of buyers here:

1) the die hard fan. this guy is going to by CD no matter what, he is just waiting for a date

2) the unknown: he likes gnr, but doesnt know anything about whats going on

3) the skepticL axl's pissed him off, and he needs a lot of convincing

4) the new guy: he hasnt heard gnr yet, and this could be the thing to sell him on the band.

without a release date, and some promotion, getting your cd to all of them is a shot in the dark. wont make an impressive hit on the charts. yeah its cool to see it climb, but a lot of people depend on those first week numbers. just like movies, if you start big, youll end big, but if you start small you better hope it catches on.

with promotion you automatically will catch buyers 1 and 2. you might even get #4 with a single. and then its just a matter of time until you turn #3 around.

its just good business sense.

The importance of a strong single cannot be understated here. That is what is going to get the millions to buy. If they just drop the album with no warning, it will not sell that well at all at first. The bulk of people will be buying this album because of the intrigue of gnr putting out something new PLUS the new single.

There is no way they drop this with no promotion and no notice. I can, however, see them do it with just a months notice and a SINGLE to help the promotion. Sadly, while I actually thought for the first time in 4 years this thing would come out soon, now i do not   :no:

It's been promoted pretty well by Rolling Stone magazine.

No link posted but I'm sure the word is getting out.

RS talks about CD, i wouldnt have guess. ive never seen it.  :hihi:

How do you go from thinking it would come out to now thinking it won't after today?  What about the unspeakable article gives you the impression that it will not?

A media frenzy?? You actually think no promo will create buzz?!?! If that was the case all shows on the tour would be sold out.... Hate to say it but Limp Bizkit is alot more fresh in peoples minds than Axl and his hired guns... If it was a sure shot the leaks would be so much more wide spread than they are, they may be big on the forums... Outside of here nobody listens to them... because they dont know....

Actually i hear CITR,IRS, and TWAT on I97 (a local station) on a semi-regular basis. CITR gets the most airplay.

What market is this, because its one of the few..... If sales of the 02 are any indication, this album needs serious promotion..

the central area of illinois. i know, not a huge city like Chicago or anything, but the fact is that a lot of people in this area like what they've heard. I also just read somewhere within the last week that rock records are selling better in the midwest than anywhere else in the US at the moment.

Limp Bizkit is not in the same class as GNR. ?But this MTV article about LB, http://www.mtv.com/bands/l/limp_bizkit/news_feature_052305/, gives an interesting take on releasing a CD with little to no promo. ?Here's an excerpt:

"This strategy makes tons of sense from the label's point of view," noted Paul Fischer, a professor in the Department of Recording Industry at Middle Tennessee State University. "These guys have been 'away' for a while, nobody's sure if fans still care about them, so let's find out, the cheapest way possible. Put out the disc and see how many are drawn to it, if it gains some momentum, spin the strategy to highlight die-hard fans and exploit their loyalty to reach a broader audience. And, if there aren't many sales and little momentum, everyone can walk away from the project with the minimum amount of embarrassment."

You're 100% right they're not in the same class.... so why try to experiment with an album as cheap as possible... When that album was way over $13 million to make??? Theres ALOT of embarrassment and it hasn't even been released!

CD can't, shouldn't and won't come out like this.

At anyrate, amazon will still give us a head's up.

That's an interesting theory... and crazy as it sounds... I've been pondering the same scenario for the past few days. Unfortunately, if this album is released without a publicized release date, single, or any other form of promotion... I feel it would be an even greater financial disaster for the label. I certainly hope this isn't the case, as GnR need all the help (publicity/promotion) they can get right now. ????

Cheers,
W.R.

Agreed. The "strategy" mentioned above is dumb. U2 released Zooropa this way and they regret it to an extent. they feel some of their best material went unnoticed due to lack of promotion. That's how they feel about an album that took about 4 months to write, record and release. No add 12.5 years to the anticipation as wella s the finincial investment and you can see why they are gonna promote the shit out of it. If they don't they're just flat out stupid. ?the diehards have already been exploited by having 2 tours featuring mostly old material with no CD release date. We're gonna buy the album no matter what. its' the rest of the peopel they need to target and that means promotion. Not no promotion.

Unless Axl is delivering them personally to cd stores and then working the checkout at every cd store in America......plus flying them to international markets.

Back in 2000, the Van Halen message boards were going crazy like this. Gary Cherone had been fired and the rumours were rampant that David Lee Roth was back in the band, and they were recording a new album and it was going to just "appear" in cd stores with no fanfare. Total crap of course, in the end Eddie posted a message that he had cancer and there was no album. Point being, albums don't just arrive with no promotion or fanfare.....that idea may appeal to the hardcore fan who has been waiting 10+ years, but makes no sense on any commercial level.

Great point. I wouldn't doubt that.

Everyone keeps saying it will hurt to have it released with no pub... just because it's released with no pub doesn't mean it WON'T get tons of publicity. ?It comes out, then a week later the record company will blast us with promo. ?

Chinese Democracy's one of the most anticipated albums in rock history, even the people hoping for a train wreck are anticipating it.  It'll be all over MTV, VH1, and all the entertainment media will be blowing it up.  Nobody gave a shit about Limp Bizkit's album.  I don't think you fully comprehend the way the media is going to shit a brick and give this album a bunch of free promotion.  I don't see the point in bringing up the tour because if the album were out, even without a ton of label promotion the tickets would still be selling better

It's not a standard album, people have been waiting for it for a long time.  If the album just shows up in stores without promotion this kills two birds with one stone.  One, the label saves money because this would get a shitload of free publicity from the media.  And they avoid issues of mass bootlegging.  This album will have a big first week even without a lot of promotion, simply because of the amount of free press it will generate

So you know more then GNR managment now? Okay chief. Because you know what Merck said right? Just because you don't get it, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.

This is the 50th thread on this in the past 5 years.
Why in the hell would they want to release one of the most anticipated rock CD in the past 10 years WITHOUT any promotion?
That's like commerical suicide..What possible good could come from that, other than a few GnR fanatics wetting themselves and running to the store to buy the CD.

Get real.

THANK YOU..... Merck didn't say ANYTHING to Rolling Stone about not promoting the album... They just announced a North American tour specifically to promote the fucking thing! ?All he said was they may not announce a RELEASE DATE. ?The CD can (and will) be promoted after it has been released.

I do actually so keep it shut. I know everything and what is say is absolute fact. comprehend an opinion when you see one.  I dont' see you offering up anything intelligent. Anyone with any sense can see that what I posted has some merit to it.

I dont think you comprehend that if they were gonna shit a brick, it woulda been 'Axl Returned'... They didnt, it went by basically unoticed.... I'm not saying the album wont be huge for what it is..... It just needs to be known!

Plus alot of Axl haters in the media would just say: "Well the album sucks casue slash isint on it... 10 years down the drain..."  Does that sound like it would fuel album sales??? No!! Let people hear it for themselves, rather than hear garbage from shitbags in the media!!

do you think......
maybe because in this day and age, well artists make most of their money off touring anyway, as long as the word is out..
and there's the issue that albums do not sell as well as they used to because of downloading ripping etc, so it's sort of like.... what's the point on spending a shitload on promotion when they've already blown millions on the production, albums don't sell well anymore anyway blah blah blah....
and word of mouth will definitely help things along. they don't even need to do anything, seriously. just drop this baby like a nuclear bomb and people won't know what hit 'em.
obviously traditional marketing music methods are irrelevant in this day and age.

Returned to what?  It's hard to hype up a tour as much as an album.  Anyway tour tickets have been at or around the very top of the ticket sales charts since the tour was announced.  The media is going to pump a lot more hype into the album when it's released than they will into a tour. 

And as several others have pointed out releasing the album without a ton of promotion doesn't mean that they can't promote it.  I've believed for a while that they would try to sneak the album into stores to avoid bootlegging and to reap the benefits of the free press that such a move on such an album will garner.  There's nothing saying that they can't release a single and video and start promoting the album after it's in stores.  It's not how you start it's how you finish.  Appetite didn't sell well when it was first released and it's easily their highest selling album.  First weeks don't mean much when the album has legs.  The only time first week sales matter that much is if the album sucks and word of mouth is bad.  I think we all know that's not going to be the case here

Come on man... Appetite was such a different story... They had nothing to prove back then... Axl has alot of people to win over, remember many believe and hate him cause he broke up GNR... There are alot of haters out there... I'm afraid he wont have alot of time if CD does not sell well in the begining....

The people who hate him are going to hate him regardless of whether the album had a multi million dollar promotion blitz and debuted at #1 or if it had no promotion at all and debuted at #10.  The people on the fence will let the music do the talking.  To anyone questioning the ability of GnR to sell in this day and age need only look at their Greatest Hits album which had next to no promotion and is still on the charts over two years later.  There are a lot of younger fans of GnR who will buy the album that weren't exposed to all the anti-Axl stuff of the 90s. 

Also releasing singles isn't necessary in this day and age of iTunes anyway.  The whole album will most likely be on iTunes and they can just send the radio stations full copies of the albums, the stations can play whatever songs they want off albums.  Music videos don't mean what they used to either.  The whole industry's changed and more and more it's been shown that traditional methods of advertising and promotion doesn't work the way it used to

the more you think about it, the more brilliant the idea actually is... as someone said, 'dropping the album like a nuclear bomb.' 

i think it's coming out on this Tuesday, October 24th.  i don't know if it will be download on Gunsnroses.com or iTunes only at first, or if it will be in stores, but i think it will be out either 10/24 or 10/31.   : ok:

Why isn't this a poll? I'm all in favor of no promotion as long as its in my hands.

there's no way. how could this go down next week when a major music chain like HMV has nothing in their system regarding a CD release date?

giving no notice for Chinese Democracy is a horrible idea...that is why I am betting thats exactly what is going to happen...

Um because if they were actually going to do something like this it would be done in such a fashion that it would be a surprise.  If HMV had it in their computers then word would get out and the whole stunt would be pointless.  Otherwise they would just announce a release date

"nothing in their system"? ?I'm sure that could be changed in under 5 minutes, it's not like they're running DOS... and I don't think they would turn away the new Guns N' Roses CD.

They're may not be enough time to ship all the CDs (unless the wheels are already in motion), but "in the system" means nothing to the CD coming out really. ?Obviously the disc is ready if Axl is playing it at parties, so who knows what's going on behind the scenes regarding the release.

I suppose. All I kow now is that In my opinion, that's MY opinion not yours or anybody else's, Guns N' Roses are the worst run band in all of music in terms of managment. The whole thing with everything is terrible.  2006 has been a million  times better than any year since the early 90's as far as Guns is concerned but more and more it seems they have no clue what they're doing really. It's like they're just flying by the seat of their pants. ???

Agreed... So if any band is going to pull some weird stunt like releasing a hugely anticipated album with no notice, it's going to be the worst run band around!

If it is really coming out this year, which I pray it does, GnR missed out on a huge promotional campaign. We could have had a video in circulation, a single on the radio, crazy advertisements...but no.  :-X

And then watch as the album ends up selling just as much in the U.S. as the over-promoted U2 album from a couple years ago. Speaking of that, I've got some questions for you man. U2 has been around since what, the late 70s? How many albums have they put out? The RIAA says they've sold around 50.5 million records in the U.S. with GN'R selling 38.5 million. I'm a much bigger GN'R fan than I am a U2 fan, so I do know that GN'R has not put out much material and I also know they haven't been around as long. I'm just wondering how it's possible that GN'R has sold that many in comparison with a great band like U2? Selfishly, I know GN'R is great, but you would think U2 has enough releases (just the sheer number) to outsell GN'R by at least double in the U.S.

http://www.riaa.com/gp/bestsellers/topartists.asp

Let me ask you an honest question E: How would you describe the way it is run now?  :P

I know that there's no comparison, but didn't Limp Bizkit's last release come out the same way - with no promotion whatsoever? And it did dismally too.

But Limp Bizkit is definitely NOT in the same league as GN'R.

It's all very interesting in the world of GN'R. Always such mystery...

On that note...I couldn't give 2 shits if it bombs, just ass long as I like it and as long as I think it kicks ass, i don't give a fuck.

Guns N' Roses is one of the greatest rock n' roll bands ever, and the numbers from RIAA solidifies that fact even more. Even if we disregard the opinion of us die hards, GN'R is a very special band. Even GN'R lies, an EP, sold well over 10 million worldwide. AFD sold over 40 million, UYI 1&2 over 35 million. You don't see those numbers very often, and especially not from a band with only three full length releases.

i dont kow man, all i will say is that the joshua tree, war and achtung baby sold a absolute fuckin shit load of albums and thats just three U2 albums

http://www.metacritic.com/music/upcomingreleases.shtml

Nov 21st

Juicy.............

they've had that on their site for a good 1.5-2 weeks now.

I that website just rumors..or is it confirmed??

Could have picked it up from here.................. :hihi:

That's my guess SLC.  I just posted over at Rollingstone about the album..seems like people are liking the idea of hearing some new GN'R material.  Maybe its just fans from these message boards...but it will sell no doubt about it.

O.k. I'll take the bait BUT watch as it's me who gets shit on for talking U2 in the Gn'R section :hihi: ::)

U2 has sold roughly over 130 million albums world wide so I don't know. ?I do know that Gn'R have a long way to go if they want to keep pace in terms of record sales. ?U2 has averaged roughly 9.5 million albums sold per release as compared to Gn'R's 11 million or so per release based on 80 or so million albums sold world wide. So it seems as though Gn'R has them beat. U2 though has sustained that over 14 album releases. double that of Gn'R. Plus U2 never really sold a huge amount of albums untill The Joshua Tree. Oddly U2 was a ?stadium band before they had a number one album. So that means they took off sales wise at the same time as Gn'R. Since 1987 U2 has had 9 releases(2 best of's) in comparison to Gn'R's 7(1 best of). So for U2 to have sold nearly 50 million albums more or so in their career that would ?lead you to believe all those albums were sold from 1980-1986 which is not the case. When you break it down U2 has sold a hell of a lot more in the time that Gn'R has been around. Partially based on staying power, partially based on old material for fans to fall back on which wasn't purchased by many the first time around. Guns' sales achievments are impressive for them only being around ?for such a short period of time but whether or not they would have been able to sustain those types of numbers over the long haul the way U2 has we'll never know.

If I have screwed up any of the numbers here in terms of the world wide album sales I listed please correct me. I'm not an expert by any means when it comes to that stuff.

I think we should just nail Bono (the real one) to the cross and get it over with.

Hmmmm... No comment

personally i dont understand why U2 take such a beating here, they're an awesome band.

also, axl said that "one" was one of the best songs he ever heard and that it made him cry, so that cant be that bad eh?

anyways, totally off topic!

Oddly enough, I actually had a dream about Chinese Democracy coming out with no advance notice. In my dream, I was at Wal-Mart with my mom, and I just happened to walk past the music section and saw a GNR display full of copies of Chinese Democracy. The cover art was just the star logo. I freaked out when I saw it and immediately bought the cd. I was listening to it in the car then, and the whole album was awesome, but there were some strange things about: for instance, no Madagascar or The Blues--- there were no slow songs or ballads whatsoever. Also, many of the songs had a bit of a hip-hop feel to them, where Axl was almost rapping in some parts. I think that's just because last night, right before I went to bed, I read a thread on here that talked about Chinese Democracy songs being inspired by rap/hip-hop. But yeah .... I though I'd share that with everybody.

hahahaha, awesome!!!

I'm selfish. I want CD now. I don't care about PR. I don't care if they fail miserably in the sales department. Well, that's not entirely true, I do hope they sell enough to be able to continue making records with the current line-up. But how they want to do things is purely up to them and they know it. But to put it in stores with zero promotion would be to overestimate GN'R's current status and the general music consumer. But if zero promotion means CD in my hand on Tuesday next week, well then I won't be one to complain, but I'd seriously question GN'R's management capabilites. But, in reality, my opinion and guess is that that will not be the case, even though I'm a selfish prick who'd love it!

Sure it can.  It can be promoted when or after it's released.  Who cares if it sells well on the first day it's out there?  It will still sell the same in the long run.

The record label has pumped millions of dollars into this already.  Why would they pump out another million or two for an advertising campaign before the album is released?  Let the tour promote the album and the music will sell itself.  Not only that, but the media will go crazy on the week it's released because it's been dubbed as an album that will never see the light of day, and the album that took ten years to make.  Not to mention the fact that it was released without any advanced notice.  That's free advertising right there.  If sales are shitty after all of that, then it's time to pay to promote the album's release.

you don't want to build this album up with multi million dollar promotions to just see it fall miserably from the charts and that back lash on a already stressed out axl rose with touring and everything else.

this has never been done to this extent, an album this talked about with this long of wait and the story behind it.

less promotion the " better". axl didn't do this to be #1, he did it for him. no promotion, let the music sell it self. I have no idea how you promote this, but if this is the way, it's a great idea that takes alot of stress off axl and we will all benefit from that. : ok:

Agree completely-drop this baby out of nowhere and work this thing from the ground up.  ;D

As I said in other thread...I dont care if CD is number 1 in the first week. This album is gonna sell not because of promotion but because of the genius behind the music. It will be talked about, friend to friend...and the quality will prove it to be better than any other album in recent years ?:yes:

Strange that the same guys who were talking about how important to start at No. 1. on the charts find the non-promotion idea great. Just because Merck said a double talkin' sentence? Let the music do the talking - right, but who'll buy it if only hc fans know it's out?

Get real, it'll have tons of promotion.

Mikka, I hope you are not talking about me.  >:( I have never said that this record needs large promotion. The press will promote it by themselves as evidenced by Rolling Stone right now.

Wasn't talking about you.


Ceterum censeo they should announce a release date - the media will do a lot of hype, of course, cause the classic band is legendary and Axl hasn't released new material for 15 years, but now the last huge rockstar is back. But it will not be enough, they should release a single and a video. No need to street posters (street teams, right?  :hihi:) or TV commercials. Just a release date and a killer song to convince people.

I do think they need to release a single! :hihi:

Merck probably just said that because he knows people on these forums have been bitching about getting a release date announcement. He's messing with us. Merck isn't stupid enough to think he can get this thing in stores without us finding out about it atleast 2-3 days prior.

This would be the worst idea ever.
First things first it is no longer the most anticipated album ever, its not even the most anticipated album of this year.  It was anticipated highly in the 90's, but for the average person GNR is dead, Axl is a dick, and they were a one album wonder from the 80's.  You act like everyone in the world is a loyal fan like you, but theyre not.  Thats why the tours havent sold out, thats why Oh My God did nothing, thats why Axl Rose in many places has become a punchline.  More people are anticipating the new Jay Z album than the new GNR album.  How many 12-18 year olds are going to buy an album with no single, no video, and with no promotion.  People buy music they can either relate to, or that they admire they do not buy cd's buy bands who play the intro song to football games. 

It would be a horrible idea.  Also, Axl is not the CIA, he does not control the media or the internet, he doesnt have wiretaps.  He could not keep a cd release from the public and why on earth would you want to.

If CD is going to be released we will know 2 weeks in advance, Guaranteed.

If they do no promo for cd it will fail miserably and GNR will be over.

This CD cost 13 million dollars (reportedly) that makes it similar to a blockbuster movie.  This isnt "lies" this is a blockbuster album.  Name a blockbuster movie that has had no promotion, they didnt do a surprise release for Pirates of the Carribean II and that was highly anticipated.  What benefit comes from no one knowing that youre releasing your album?

I'm sure this is gonna go over great, but this sort of strategy has been used before.

 If you've read Motley Crue's book "The Dirt" it was written that their label actually set them up so one of their albums would be a loss.
 The label has very little to lose by just releasing the record and not sinking another wad of cash into promo'ing it.
If it's a huge hit (which I'm fairly certain it will be) the label comes out ahead. If it tanks they can call it a loss, and write it off.

 In my humble opinion, this album will do very well. I work in radio, and our listeners seem very excited and hungry for the new material.

 

smells like a kind of Norah Jones strategy...

Wasn't that the second cd they recorded with Corabi? The label made it clear that they would just throw the cd out there and see if it sells. Once they realized the label wasn't going to back them without Vince, they got Vince back. That second Corabi cd ended up being re-recorded with Vince's vocals and was called Generation Swine, which even with alot of hype didn't do so well.

i think it may happen...i say we get a weeks notice

That's true as well...
 I was just thinking out loud, since the idea had been planted in my head by that chapter.

 That's all we can do right now is speculate anyway. And I don't know about you guys, but to me speculation is much more fun than working right now.
 ;)

I think people suggesting Axl doesn't want or need the publicity to sell the CD are somewhat blinkered in their opinion. The fact is the record company desperately need to recoup their costs. In my mind the Record Company and management will blitz all marketing opportunities at their time of choosing, ok with input from the band.

1 week of GN'R madness on TV, magazines,internet etc would be perfect. It is probably already planned out with precision.

By the way, Generation Swine sold so badly because the record sucked. People didnt embrace Corabi, even though the album the debut record with Motley was very very good. HOOOOOligans Holidayyyyy. They put vince on the album too quickly in my opinion

just a theory, what if the album comes out October 24!!?? first night of the tour, a tuesday.. we could get it any tuesday they said..

That's what I was thinking. A week would be good enough.  :yes:

Can someone point me to the post or message where this came from? ?Did Merck issue a statement of some kind?

I like it...the sooner the better : ok:

I will be very very suprised to see it released this year. What you probably will see is a statement soon talking about how the album release has been delayed until spring 2007.

Sure. Just go to any of the other GNR site except this one.

We're not allowed to talk about it here.

Not to be a jerk, but does anyone know why we aren't allowed to talk about this?  I caught the news late yesterday, but just checked back in and was surprised to see so little discussion about the article.  Just curious why....

No idea, I wonder if they have given Jarmo a copy of CD in exchange for not letting us talk about it.
All these posts will probably be deleted in a minute anyway.

Apparently there are good reasons not to discuss it for the moment. They aren't known but Jarmo said so.

Since this is a serious GNR site, I believe those reasons are good enough.

It's on every other website.


THE MAGAZINE IS EVEN IN CIRCULATION!!!!

It's retarded, it really is.

Thanks Nico.  I didn't see anything from Jarmo; which is why I asked.  Sounds like there's a good reason.

Cheers.

Im sure Jarmo knows what hes doing. Quiet before the storm! Wait for California to wake up, its not even 8am over there at the moment.

Been waiting for this for a long time!

Jonx

hmm, I expect an announcment really SOON unless the mods are going to be really busy for the next couple weeks :rofl: :hihi:

While it sucks and we really have no idea why posts about the RS article are being censored....Jarmo usually has a good reason for things.  But regradless, it seems a little goofy.  I guess time will tell.

I have noticed a few threads that get cencored.  Why?   

How come the lawsuit thread is banned?   That one was kinda interesting to read

Geralds right.  CD cannot come out with ZERO advance notice.

Because we've already had some.

We've had notice, and discussion, that the album will be this year, and on a Tuesday.

We might not have notice, yet, on which one in particular, but....that's quibbling at this point, I think.

My guess is this is part of their PR strategy.  Because right now it's the question asked in every interview/meeting/Axl sighting.  And it's all over radio, TV, and magazines.

That's both notice and promotion.  Kinda slick if you think it through.

yeah, that was my theory, back on page 3, yesterday.  : ok:
i think it will be October 24th , (Oct 31st at the latest) possibly download only(gunsnroses.com, or iTunes) at first, then the actual album will release in stores, after that

You have to be crazy to think that.   You actually think they would release an album without a single on the radio.    Name me the last band that did this.

If the album isnt out by the american thanksgiving there is no chance it will be out this year.

Now this I actually think could happen. An itunes only exclusive for a week or two before the CD drops. That would be something both innovative and newsworthy.
Even if Merck did say "It might just be in the stores when you walk in", that's not going to happen. The cost to drop ship the CD too thousands of records stores the day before the release (meaning, not going the normal route of using distrubution centers) would be mind blowing. Not to mention, it wouldn't be advertised in the sunday circular prior to the release.

Regardless, the fact that threads are being deleted because people are talking about and anticipating the new CD is the funniest thing I've ever heard. Could you imagine any other company saying "Wow..all these people want to buy our product and are discussing it online....let's shut them up and not let them talk about it". It just shows how assbackwards this whole saga has been over the past 7 years.

If it was coming out THIS coming Tuesday, it would have to have already been pressed, packaged and shipped. ? All totally hush-hush.

There would be people in music stores today and tomorrow opening the boxes and seeing it. ? And they'd ALL be keeping quiet about it.

Unless - release it on iTunes only.   

Ya so you are telling me that the 16 year old kid that works down the street at my bestbuy is going to keep quiet.   Fuck that shit.  mabey him, but i bet someone would talk.

Fact is.   This Album is not schedualled to be released any time soon...     You think the managers at the record stores, just one day open a box and say,"hey look it the new GNR cd, we should sell this."   Fuck that.   They have to know pre-sale.   Then if someone knows, someone talks.

Absolutely true.? The days of something showing up at a mom and pop place where someone takes a price gun, pops a tag on, and puts it on a shelf are over.

Big Box retailers need to have sku's prior to release, with a title and price.? That's not only part of the way they do business, but the way they track inventory levels, sales, everything.? And no big box retailer (best buy, walmart, etc) is going to "make nice" with GnR by putting up a sku from the Frogs at 14.99.

Read my post with your eyes open ;)

We're reading from the same book, preaching to the converted, singing the same song.   We agree.  It could NOT be kept quiet. :)

Unless - an iTunes release.  It would not require the 16yo at the Best Buy to know shit.

Screw Itunes!  I want a flashy cover with liner notes, and a bonus DVD!  I'm willing to PAY MONEY!  lol

I think most of us are (me included).? ? But an iTunes release is quick and easy.? ?Release on iTunes earlier and then release on compact disc 1,2,3,4 weeks later.

There will be people that will purchase from iTunes and THEN purchase the CD.

quite possible.  not the first time i have been called crazy, either. lol :hihi:

but that's my theory, and i'm stickin to it.  call me a crazy moron, later, if i am wrong.  :P

Didn't VR talk early on about possibly releasing their first album online.. I seem to remember Slash suggesting that. If GnR did, I'd be upset, even if it was a few days or week prior. I'm with WhatIsItMan, I want the cover, the case, the liner notes, the lyrics, the pics, I WANT IT ALL BABY!!!  Why?? Cause I'm PASNOW dammit that's why!! :rant: :rant: :rant:

Well, I can think of only one plan to really get the inside scoop from record store employees.

 Ladies, here is the mission, should you choose to accept it....
Find either the 17 year old new kid, or the 35 year old dude, get chummy with him, maybe flash him the treasures and voila! Instant info!

 Naturally, photographic evidence is enouraged so we can congratulate you appropriately.

 ;)
 I'm not sure what the penalty for goofing around is these days, but I thought everyone needed a chuckle

That's horrendous >:( >:( ?!! In this day & age photographic evidence is not merely enough, what with Photoshop & all. A :20 second video clip sounds more reasonable.. Along with a followup video clip of her holding a copy of todays newspaper so we know it's recent.!!  : ok:

Won't work.  Because just like a Jack Bauer torture subject, they'll just tell ya what they know you want to hear in order to get what they want (which, admittedly, is much different when it's a Jack Bauer subject...).  That 17 year old kid will tell you Axl is his freaking uncle if it'll get him a peek at some ta ta's.  And that 35 year old guy working at best buy...might not wanna get too chummy with him, either.  He might want more than flashes of the treasures for info.....and he'll lie worse than the 17 year old will just to get a little touchie feelie going.

After all these years, and all this anticipation - especially with the weird stuff happening around here in the past 24 hours - nothing would surprise me at this point.  No matter what, I'm checking record stores tomorrow...

Save your gas, don't bother..

What can I say?  I'm an optimist...      :beer:

Waste of time..... (Hey could you PM me if you see it there :hihi:)

 :beer:

Absolutely.  Of course, it might take me a couple of listens through before I can tear myself away...       :peace:

Look at Mysteron's post in the "Market this" thread.  It was sarcasm.  The CD will not come out without advance notice.

I love when people talk about Internet nerds, Like this is 1993 and only 10,000 people have the internet or something.

I think u would be surprised at how many people get their info and news from the internet.



Chinese Demcoracy is too big, too mythical and has been built up way too much just to release like a normal CD.

Axl has to do this in a different exciting way.


There are no rules that u have to release a single/video go on talk shows blah blah blah and then release the album. Personally I think this strategy is played out and dull.

There is no reason GNR cant release the album,single and video all on the same day.  First week sales may be affected some but the 2nd week sales would skyrocket.

I like the idea of just putting it on the shelves. Word of mouth would spread, it would cause tons of buzz and excitement. It would even make national news shows.




Plus being negative...... Releasing it this way also gives GNR a cop out if it doesn't sell well as they would then be able to blame it on "management" and the record label for lack of promotion, so they have a built in excuse if it doesn't sell well.

10801 posts. Don't recall you 'D' ever being here?

I have been semi-retired for a while. HOwever now things are crackin, I will be back in full swing. : ok:

semi-retired  :hihi:  too much HTDGTH eh  ;D

once CD is out this board's going to change. The only thing i can imagine people posting will be views on the new tracks. Positive and negative views and the usual lists, fillers non fillers etc  :peace:

The biggest surprise might be a GNR single jumping up on itunes one day.

They will never release an album that way.  Would be a horrible business decision.  CD has been built-up to mythical proportions...and not in a good way.  Only fans will run out and buy.  Most people won't give a damn about a GNR album without the rest of the band in it...unless there is some solid promotional efforts along for the ride.

Possible Promotional Ideas...

Ipod ad and a GNR ipod
Monday Night Football Performance...or Super Bowl
Pay Per View Special
Free Download Single

I'm sure you're right, and I think I won't frequent the board quite as much when that starts to happen.  Still, it will be a nice change of pace from all the rumors and speculation around the album...

Prince is already doing the Super Bowl.............

...what would go "Better" with a "prince" than a "king?"  The King of rock n' roll Mr. W. Axl Rose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  See ya at the Super Bowl Axl!!!!!  You magnificent motherfucker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Finally, it's coming!   :yes:

I've said that my wait should start when I hear the release date.

If Chinese Democracy does come out with ZERO advance notice, then I'll end up having ZERO wait for the album. :rofl: