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in some of the songs in the upcoming album i have noticed that there are some hip hop influences in songs such as madagascar and there was a time? if im rong plz correct me... although the hip hop influence would attract a wider audience in the US.. as the main genres are hip hop rap and rock!! dont u fink???? and plus axl rose does dance like a hip hop artist nowadays anyways..which is coooooooooool. and he likes rap and hip hop music to!! ROCK N RAP N ROLLL AXL and GNR! :peace: ;)

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Sorry, i beg to differ.

I don't think it's hip hop influenced really.

Unless you call the intro drumming to 'better' hip hop. Which i don't.

"There's a lot of hip-hop beats" - Axl Rose (MTV, 1999)

IRS definately has a hip-hop beat

TWAT most certainly does in the intro

wat would u call it thenn??? cuz its complety different to the drumming intro to you could be mine or jungle?? :S:S he even said it himself when he a interview with kurt loder back in 1999..that there has been sum hip hop influences made by himself on the album? the link is on this site!!

"But if someone says, "Hip-hop beats," what do you mean by that? Well, Radiohead uses beats that are similar to hip-hop beats. There's actual, "official" hip-hop beats and then there's "Radiohead-style" hip-hop beats, there's rock beats"
Axl Rose (MTV, 1999)

lol booker floydd remembers the interview in 1999

there must be sum kind of influence then????

Well I guess hip hop is still in, so probably.

Not nearly as much industrial, 'cause it's not.

Loder: This "End of Days" track, "Oh My God," is real, real different. Have you been listening to [or] working with samples and stuff a lot? Has your whole musical approach changed?

Rose: No, not a lot, no. Basically, [I'm] listening to everything that's out there as far as music goes. That was a big difference between myself and Slash and Duff, isthat I didn't hate everything new that came out. I really liked the Seattle movement. I like White Zombie. I like Nine Inch Nails, and I like hip-hop. I don't hate everything. I don't think everybody should be worshiping me 'cause I was around before them

Using a drum loop doesn't make it hip-hop influenced. I don't really see it.

Loder: Have you actually brought in any hip-hop guys to sort of, like, examine the roots of the rhythm now? Has Dr. Dre stopped by or anything?

Rose: No, we haven't done anything like that. It's been thought of, but it's kind of [like] we would really be wasting somebody else's time, as we're trying to figure out how to develop this ourselves. Maybe if it were to get closer to, say, mastering or mixing, maybe there could be something someone else could add to it.

sooo im sure there has been an influence????? and shq o neil did freestyle wid dem one timee..he must have said yo axl throw sum hip hop beatss.. and maybe axl did and mayyybeee axl likeddd it!

yeah most of the new songs have a hip hop style drum beat, but that is where it ends...these songs are pure rock...

yer obviously its gona be pure rock because if it wasnt rockkk den i guess it would be crap and it woulnd be gnr and den slash and co would definately laugh... i jus fink axl is mixing everythin in together and blending diffferent music togetherrr the guitars sound great and the drumms..and it has to be rockkk n rolll duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh axl aint stupiddd! fuckin genius..hes also a very clever artist and not a thick knob.

its gonna be more of a rock record than previously thought. my guess anyway

Well brain uses hip hop style beats sometimes doesn't he? :-\

brain looks abit like a hip hop drummmerr hes veryyyyyyyyyyyyyy goood

why do you spell like youre in preschool?  i honestly dont think youre that awful at spelling, or else you probably wouldnt be intelligent enough to operate a computer, so my guess is, you are just spelling like a fool to make it difficult for readers on the forum to understand you?  i dont understand. 

anyway, back on topic...

no, i really wouldnt consider the new songs hip hop influenced.  a few songs such as I.R.S., Madagascar, and TWAT have what could maybe pass as brief "hip hop beats" in the intros, but what really is a "hip hop beat"?  many of the beats used on hip hop tracks we're already recorded live in the 70's on rock tunes such as When The Levee Breaks by Led Zeppelin. 

So, the only alternatives are Welcome to the Jungle, You Could Be Mine, and hip-hop beats? ?::) That leaves a few things out, I think.

Obviously the musical landscape has changed a lot since 1999. At that point there was a lot less electronica influence in the mainstream, and drum machine beats were still much more associated with rap, even though there were people like Portishead, Garbage, etc. using beats at the time. I imagine that is the separation between authentic hip-hop and "Radiohead" beats that he was trying to make in the interview - he just isn't saying it that clearly.

For the record, I don't think there will be a hip-hop influence on CD, but I'm sure that they are taking advantage of whatever modern-sounding technologies seem appropriate.

ARV is back, bitches!

Drum beats are way more from eletronic stuff than just hip-hop. And I think they left much of that influence back in '99.

Also, what's the deal with quoting a 7 year old interview? It doesn't prove a fuckin' thing...

But well, trying to make the thread usefull.. I think IRS doesn't have the pre-recorded beat anymore. Listen to the live version and the '99 demo - the drums are quite similar.

But there's a thing that bother me: TWAT, Better, Rhiad, IRS (at least on one of the demos), Madagascar and OMG have drum loop in their intro. Kinda gets repetitive...

Actually, I think, and hope, that you're right.

i think that it would be cool if axl brought together hip hop and rock so a wide audience could be reached. becasue where im from its all about hip hop rap garage and dance etc.

which is realli annoying by the way

soori shut up.. stop double posting

and just beacuse a song have a drum loop doesnt make it hip hop influenced

Yeah, like Limp Buizcit, however you spell it.

We are a rock?n roll band - Axl , 1988

Well said requiem156. I agree!  :yes:

whatever unusual ingredient they pick, they'll blend it well with other stuff.

No. Like other people said drum loops don't make it hip hop. Hip hop doesn't have heavy guitars and singers like Axl.

IRS demo does have a Hip-Hop vibe on drums/bass, and it KICKS-ASS!
However, the Live version 2006 has a more Rock feel.

I love both versions.

my world has those beats, and other weird elements in there.

the title of this thread made my blood run cold, and a wave of nausea passed through me.? ? :nervous:

i am a die hard rocker, and i hope to all that is holy and unholy that CD is a ROCK album.? i am SO sick of hip hop and its influence, i could vomit. i don't think that 'mixing it up' with hip hop to add to the fan base and compete with Jay Z and the like is cool, nor is it unique.? ?:rant:

there are a hellofa lot of ROCKERS left out there, who want solid, REAL rock. :peace:
 

i've always believed rock music is about mixing genres and pushing the sound since it was born out of genre mixing. to me, bands like rage against the machine understood this and were true rock n roll.   

Good post. If the album has hip-hop beats, I'm all for it - Genre blending can produce some very cool results, and if the album were just straight-ahead rock, it'd be an incredibly boring record - GNR have been there and done that, time to press forward.

Amen to DarkStar

Wasn't Rock n' roll originally a mongrel crossbred of rhythm & blues and country & western or something?
And has evolved and branched out by mixing with elements from different genres. Otherwise we'd be still hearing only Elvis/ chuck berry type R n' R.