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In 2002 a few of the shows like NY, Boston, Philly sold out really fast. This is not true in 2006. I think they need to drop a single to radio really soon to get these ticket sales moving

I think we will find out tomorrow.  I do know that I have tried to get seat tickets to a couple of different shows, and they seem to be sold out.  I can only get GA.

I am very suprised that Ma and Ny are still not sold out

Halifax has sold out.  I think it seats around 10,000. 

well, they have not papered these shows like they did in 2002. ?Although there are not any papered sell outs, it seems that sales are better than in 2002. ?With the GA floors, these shows are going to be crazy!! Generally, sales are doing better than expected. ?I think the Continental Airlines show (20K) is about sold out. ?I would think the Canandian shows, Naples, MSG, Jacksonville (out of $39.50 seats), and Miami shows are going to be close to selling out shortly. ?

NY is almost sold out. Tickets are pretty expensive, more than 2002. If we had a single or an announcement of an album date NYC would be sold out in seconds.

Continental Airlines Arena is nowhere near sold out,checked a little while ago by selecting 4 tickets and best avail and was getting first level. MSG at the same amount of tickets is bringing up the 300s, if it was anywhere near sold out that amount would not bring up anything or 400s level seats. The 2002 sold out in 15 mins thing was an exagerration, but the show appeared to be sold out that nite, place was filled to the top.

Well, none of us on the board are a member of management and we all know through common sense that they needed to release some type of single or release date or something to get some buzz going.

When your press release comes out on Friday afternoon, with no release date and a recycled tour name it gives the few people who have heard about it a "been there done that" type of feel.

I think every fan on this board at this point has to be at a loss for the reason there is an absolute refusal to commit to a date and just announce the thing. The tour starts not too far from now, and to still have nothing new to try and get people interested in seeing the band is just senseless. Makes you wonder who in management is running this ship, and how they can their current course of action is really giving the band its best shot at succeeding.

I would honestly be surprised if any of these shows had sold out already. No album, no single, no solid release date, no interviews given, a bare-bones website launched the day before tickets go on sale, and only minimal promotion all add up to a situation where only die-hard gn'r fans will be buying tickets right off the bat. However, there is still time to change this around before the shows occur, so I hope the band corrects all those problems in the coming weeks.

In 2002 people honestly believed Guns N' Roses was back and I think so many people walked away disappointed then - with Axl's image, his voice, and the lack of old bandmembers (and new songs).

Apart from die-hard fans, no one knew Axl wasn't going to release the album then - everyone thought it was coming and you'd be surprised how many people believe Axl promised CD in '02. I'm always like, "No, he said soon wasn't the word," but no one ever believes me.

So flash forward four years and the shock of "GN'R being back!" is gone, people remember '02 Axl and a lot of casual fans who might have gone to see them in '02 don't really care. Which is sad, and which will hopefully change when the album drops.

2002 was a massive mistake in that regard. I think Axl was pressured into it by promoters.

THANK YOU!
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Guns N' Roses fans are back, and the band wants to thank them for the tremendous response to the first 24 hours of concert ticket sales. :confused:

yeah that is probably exaggerating things which is what promoters usually do.. but i do think that the sales have been better than expected.

i'm hoping in the next few weeks we get a lot more promo and info and even a new single or something huge like that!!!

Hopefully the shows don't sell well right away, so it forces the band into releasing a single, and then finally putting out Chinese Democracy. I think if the shows all sold real well, the band might continue on with "The Greatest Hits Tour" that they've been on.

Just my two cents but with the Continental Arena and MSG shows only 5 days apart one would suspect neither is sold out because they saturated the NY NJ market with having 2 shows closely together.  But then I'm just thinking eventually it'll sell out the arenas but price wise ..is it justifed to pay $89 bucks for a seat in the 200's??

That's another thing i've seen the problem with some long time fans, is the price.

Some people just can't pay $89 bucks a seat. I know that's cheap compared to some, but interest in music isn't what it used to be. At least in the U.S. There's no such thing as selling out stadiums anymore, like there used to be back in GNR's heyday.

Just like with the Florida shows. For the Tampa & Miami/Sunrise shows. Back in 1991, when GNR came to Tampa, they played the Sun Dome. An Arena Football stadium. Now? St. Pete Times Forum, a hockey arena. Miami '91, they played Joe Robbie Stadium/Dolphins Stadium. Now? Wherever the fuck in Sunrise at thay place near the Sawgrass Mall.

Back in the day, I remember people would go without food to get concert tix to see their favorite band. Would wait in line for hours, to get tix. Now? No one cares if it takes more than 5 minutes...

You said that same thing days after the tickets in Sac and Fresno went on sale, and they still aren't even close to selling out. The only thing thats going to sell these tickets is an album, or at least a single. If neither happens, they need to do a mass promotion marketing this as a nostalgia tour.

If I may recall the price of a ticket..the Guns / Metallica stadium tour in 1992..when it arrived at Giants Stadium it was going for about $45 dollars for the upper deck spots..(ok..maybe $54 with ticketmaster charges).

2002 I think I paid $90 something for a floor seat at MSG and that was with the surcharge.

It's getting pricy out there.but I guess die hards will shell out the money to see their favorite artists...

The Canadian shows will be sellouts or close to it by the time showtime rolls around. Except Winnipeg and Quebec I'm not sure, but the others look strong. Halifax is sold out or just about, Ottawa is very close to sold out, Toronto should be close (I'd say it's the same pace as 2002 and that show had 14,000-15,000 people at it). MSG should fill up. Remember these shows are a month and a half to two months away.

I got my tickets for Jacksonville on 9/15 and they still are not sold out. Id estimate judging from the seats that are still avail. 2/3 to 3/4 of the venue is sold. And this is the tour opener!! I figured It would be sold out in days. GNR really needs to have something to promote this time around if they want to fill these venues up faster. Who knows, between now & then maybe we'll see a single??

i'm sure that 90% of shows will be 90% packed.

In 2002 thet said ny show sold out in 10 minutes,but on billboard chart there were 1000 free seats

That's a great point, and that's where the problem is. ?Most of my friends are "casual" gn'r fans. ?I bought tickets for MSG, and my girlfriend said "it's just going to be the same thing as last time, right?" ?I couldn't really respond with anything other than "Yeah."

Love them or hate them, a good comparison would be the Crue/Aerosmith tour. ?If you went to this tour in May, most likely you're not going to pay MORE to see them again a few months later, when it's essentially the same show. ?

I have to admit, it is a little alarming that Gn'R haven't sold out the Garden yet. ?Screw releasing a single before that. ?That's not big enough, and is risky. ?What if the casual fan doesn't like the song that's released? ?In order to make some noise and drum up some interest, they have to finally release the album.

I only said the Sac. date would be close to a sell out or sold out by showtime. ?Who cares, and why be such a jerk? ?The lower levels for these shows, will always have some new rows open up until very close to show time. ?GA, also allows them to pack folks in like cattle. ?If you saw some of the raw data, then you would realize that many of these dates are selling very well. ?You are crazy if you don't think Continental and MSG won't be sold out by showtime--and if they aren't, who cares, go and enjoy the show.

Good point. By only releasing a single(or putting a song on a soundtrack), they risk another "Oh My God" situation where the fans hate it, and it could cause a tour disaster and another Axl hibernation. Since when is stating facts being a jerk? I never said Continental or MSG wouldn't be sold out by showtime. Dont put words in my mouth to try and prove your point.

 Of course I'm going to enjoy the show whether it sells out or not. But if none of the shows are selling out, there may not be a fucking show by the time it gets over here. You only need to go back 4 years for an example.

Another good point.  We're discussing marketing and money here, not the love of the band.  Obviously, we all love them, or we wouldn't be here.  However, burying a random press release that "Gn'R rocked California" isn't the best way to go.  How many average fans read this, or know that the website is up?  Then, they go to the website, and see......that they're playing more dates with their "soon to be released album."  Hardly earth-shattering news.

Like I said, it's arguing apples and oranges.  Of course the die-hard fans will enjoy the show.  But because of their past reputation, and they're touring again without any new music being released to the masses makes people think that this is the exact same show as 2002, or even a few months ago.

Personally, I'm a little bummed that they're playing MSG instead of Hammerstein.  If not many people are going to go, I'd rather see them play an intimate venue.  It will be the same show that I saw in May, except this time I'll have a tougher time seeing the show.

Some "fans" here are way, way, way too defensive. Axl is a human being, do you think he really wants you to even treat him like he can do no wrong?

Just because the shows aren't selling out doesn't mean you have to insult others or try to make up elaborate reasons for why they're not selling fast - just be glad they're selling, and be glad GN'R is back, and be glad we have an album this year, and stop treating people who are objective about GN'R like shit, because they don't deserve it.

I love how some people's perception's of a "fan" here is blindly worshipping anything Axl Rose does, and when someone disagrees with something he says/does suddenly they are "not a TRUE Guns N' Roses fan." Oh, like you are? What makes you more of a fan? Because you can kiss his ass more?

Hello, he's a man, not a god. Take Axl's own advice and live your own lives and let him worry about his own.

speaking of saling out a venue , I am not buying any tickes until a album is ready for purchase off a record store shelf.Fuck nastalgia .

you wanna play in sac great , you want me to come see you great , you going to drop a new album before then , that would be wise, you want tour marketing , it's all in the album.I wanna hear music that is brand new not leaked with bumblefoot credits to boot. These guys need there own image not one created in 1985

It could very well be the reason why neither MSg or Continental haven't sold out is because simply...quite possibly..yes it could be the same ole stuff...it may not.  Play in an intimate venue like Hammerstein..sure that would sell out quickly but then that would lock out a few load of fans.  The possible main reason why Hammerstein sold out their 4 shows was that the band hadn't surfaced since 2002.
 We possibly all figured the GNR version 3.0 or 4.0 or whatever we're up to  have finally come up for air and a cd would drop this summer.  The album hadn't but we were all curious to see what the band would sound like 4 years later.

I'm hoping this time around they'll change the set list...have fun and for the love of a fan..tell us when the album's coming out. 

More grammar, less griping. The album is out when it's out. What difference does it make so long as the new songs are played? They're still the same songs, whether they be leaked or on the CD - it doesn't mean anything different will happen at the live shows.

I know bbf said once that he thought the setlist would change around October, so I'm assuming that's still true.

If anyone is looking for a reason why the tickets aren't selling extremely fast, they need to look no further then promotion.

Has anyone seen anything about this anywhere other then here, the new website and MTV.com???

Pollstar and Billboard have yet to report anything. I haven't heard a word about the tour on any rock station in Detroit yet and thats a big deal.

They need to get the word out and I think people will buy tickets.

Now again, if they are doing it this way so all of us die hards can get the tickets first, then I can't do anything but be grateful.

Guy's, in 2002, people could buy first 10 rows of lower level, loge, club level, and upper level until the hour of the show.  That is not the case this year.  Why is it, the same people always look at the glass as half empty, and the spew utter non-sense on these boards based on uninformed opinions?  And there defense when you present facts contrary to their negative bs:  " you're just defending Axl against anything and being blind."  Really, if you look at many peoples posts, they are quite objective.  Typically, they are just defending the band against attacks loaded with false insinuations.  These shows, overall, are selling way better than in 2002.  The only ones that might not be selling great are Fresno, and Reno.  Trust me, MSG did not really sell out in fifteen minutes last time.  You could buy tickets in the first five rows right up to showtime.

That is because they always hold back about that many seats to release the day of or a few days before.

 Newsman,I dont spew "utter nonsense", or look at the glass half empty. If you like to think of facts as delusional, then be my guest. I want these shows to sell out as much as anyone, but they havent. Just dont claim these shows are within seconds of selling out when you know thats not the case. It doesnt help the GNR cause by spewing misinformation like that. YOu said Arco was just about to sell out weeks ago. Go to Livenation or any other site that sells tickets. Pick a section and seat. Its yours. No need for any presales unless its a club venue.

its 10000 for hockey so you gotta add the floor

Without presales I never would have gotten floors for either show I'm attending, as the floors for both sold out. For the Canadian shows I searched for two tickets (I'm going to two of these, would have liked a third but $$).

   Toronto: Floor gone, lower bowl mostly filled.
    Ottawa: Floors and lower bowl gone, 200 level gone, 300s available.
  Winnipeg: Floors and lower bowl gone, 200s available.
     Halifax: You cannot get 2 tickets ANYWHERE. Only single seats in the upper bowl available.
    Calgary: Floor and lower bowl gone, 200s available (High side view, it gave me section 210 which looks like crap).
Edmonton: Floors and upper bowl gone, 200 level available.

You can snag some singles of course. Come showtime though these venues are gonna be packed.

I have no idea what agency sells tickets for Quebec City... I'm actually thinking about hitting that show...

http://www.admission.com/html/browse.htmI?l=EN&cat=33&siteCat=1

But subtract the seats behind the stage. 10,000 is probably about right. Halifax isn't sold out just yet, but you can only get single seats in the upper bowl.

Thanks. I'm debating this third show idea right now. I'd have to do cheap seats, and drive from Ottawa the day after the Ottawa show.

so after 6 plus years you guys are buying into this tour, with the 13 more tuesdays until 2007 stuff as well.


I like guns n rose's music , I just want to see the fans treated right as compared to the past.




fuck grammer , it never won me a million dollars,

Dave, you could buy tickets for MSG everyday from the date it went on-sale, up until showtime.  Only on the day of the "Sell out" announcement were tickets unavailable.  You are correct, all venues do hold tickets back, and release the corporate ticket returns shortly before all shows.   But, I am done posting, because there is no argument.  In 2002, only MSG and Chicago were close to sell outs after a few weeks of sales--and then Toronto and London sold out on the night of the show.   In 2006, there are about ten shows, already, that are going to be sold out, or as close as it can get to it, by showtime.  There is no comparison.  Throw in the strong Europe sales, the Hammerstein, sell outs and so far in this year, they have already played to double the people they did in 2002.  They have to be very happy with where they stand now, with still nearly a month out until the first show.  I expect, there is going to be another event or two in between now and Jacksonville, that will yield more publlicity and another bounce for ticket sales.   Things seem to be far more organized, and the marketing and press releases much more disciplined and timed better than 2002.

There are always going to be markets that do not sell as great, but the response to the Canadian shows alone is very impressive.   Look, Toronto, Calgary, Edmonton, Halifax, etc. are going to be out of tickets in the next month.   Of course, they will be releasing rows as they come up for sale, but those will all be gone come showtime!!  Very good weekend for the band and management.

I think we must see and hear Chinese Democracy than the shows will be sold out fast.

Many GNR fans don't want to hear old songs.....

i want to hear jungle!!! i want to hear the old stuff too!!! that shit rocks...i think the setlist now just needs some minor tweeking.just drop the new hard ass single and the shows sellout right away.1 fucking song does the trick.todays music sucks ass and people have adapted to it and and enjoy it.

Agree.

My opinion of the setlist is 50% old songs and 50% new songs.The name of the tour is Chinese Democracy.new GNR = new songs.My opinion.

Very hard to get a good ticket here in Edmonton and Calgary now.

Canadian shows will probably be all gone in a week or so

I dont understand why they didnt drop a single before putting tix on sale. I really dont want Axl playing to half emtpy arenas. Why does gnr have to do everything backwards?The first show is 14 days away and its not even close to being sold out yet. You know the reviewers are going to bash Axl for not selling out and it wont matter how great the band sounds.

where you gt this informatin?

Well, we have 2 weeks... lets cross our fingers for SOMETHING. But youre right, this is aimed for disaster if something new doesnt drop prior to the shows.

You can still get GA for a lot of the shows, and a lot of shows have lower parts (floor or section 100s) still on sale. That is bad. GA always goes first.

Maybe Mysteron will pop on to clarify the bands intentions

i was in budapest show,andarena was sold out,but you could find tickets on every side of arena 2 days before show!
We will see how many people will be there?

Yeah, but there was at least promotion for the UK shows and they were on the bill with other artists at times playing festivals... to headline their own dates in the US, they need to do a better job than what they're doing.

budapest sin't in uk,budapest is capital of hungary,and guns n roses had his own date in budapest,not festival

dave, I've been saying this for weeks now. You can buy tickets in any section you want at any of these shows. Its ridiculous. I'm surprised there was even a pre sale because none were needed. You can get whatever ticket you want weeks(and over a month) after tickets have went on sale. Here in Cali, there is zero promotion for this tour, and with this latest info about a media outlet saying Slash is a GNR guitarist, its just gonna make even more non forum people think its the old band.

Axl and GNR management have to do something soon. If the album isnt ready, just release a single. Surely they can get one song ready.

Yeah, I'm just stating that they had better promotion and we often on the bill with other artists... not your show in particular. ?To headline their own tour in the US, they have to do something to get the name circulating again or it'll fail miserably. ?Ticket sales are poor thus far with the exception of the hot spots that we expected to sell well..... they need a single for this to work and then we need the album.

Agreed.  A single is the minimum that we need to get this started.  :peace:

In EUROPE is much more easey to sell out arenas,they need more promo to suport the Tour in the USA.
A single to make another BUZZ like the demos did moths ago...

Any media to generate some public interest would be better than nothing at this point.

I can't believe people were expecting these shows to sell great in the first place. The only thing that can sell these shows is killer new music. I don't know what the fuck Axl is trying to do. I happen to like the new band, but it must suck for these guys to be in an "Appetite for Destruction" cover group. The general public wants to see Slash and Axl together playing all these classic tunes from Appetite, not Axl and some guys he calls GnR. Why can't Axl grasp that in order for this band to have a chance at being accepted, he has to release some fucking original music, right now!

I said this last year(it wasnt a popular idea), but they may have to release an EP if Axl is hesitant to release CD at this time. The band absolutely has to have some sort of buzz, and doing a nostalgia tour with a couple new songs isnt going to cut the mustard. They already did that in 2002, and it was rejected.

Axl can release the mythical CD later on down the road, and it still get attention from fans and media alike. Just release a 5 or 6 song EP to help kick this tour up a notch. Surely at least one song(maybe two) from an EP being released as singles in the coming months could sustain the tour at least into early-mid 2007.

Solution: Release a single.

It's quite seriously that simple. When people know there's a new band, they'll be more inclined to go see them.

A hit single and video would help sales....

agreed, release the single and video for it, finally. ?they would sell out the shows if they did this. ?what the hell are they waiting for?

Agreed and well said.  An EP wouldn't even be that bad of a concept just because it's more uncommon in today's industry.  Seeing it happen would generate buzz, IMO.

I'm going to be pissed off if I bought tickets for a 2002 Chinese Democracy rehash tour. Axl please start a new era for GnR.

The lack of common sense often displayed by the gnr camp is really something I can never understand. I mean, I get that maybe Axl is a little disconnected from reality by having too many people around him tell him how great he is all the time, but where are the money men in this situation. I'm talking about the guys in the offices in NY an LA that manage this band. The guys who don't care about the music or gnr's legacy, but only the bottom line. I don't understand why they have not stepped in and promoted this, and past, tours, or forced the release of a single or anything that normal bands do to have a successful tour.

With gnr it's almost like they try to make themselves fail and it is just hard for a fan who wants them to succeed so bad to watch.

I guess when they're ready to succeed, they will... its their own life and we know axl hates to be told what to do... lets just let him go and see what he does. 

but,in other hand Axl had hisgnr style "fuck rock critics,and everything else.I will do it,what i think"

And it's great to see one real rock star how can play in half empty arena with enthusiasam and energy like when he played full stadiums shows

do you think about it

Perhaps the promo-team doesn't want to make it all one big hype and in the end no one cares and it comes down to a big flop. If they just stay relax and down to earth and let the album/music do the talking it works a lot better. I mean, what would people (outside the boards) think when there's GNR posters and promo everywhere as if they are the biggest band in the world?? They're not at this moment, they where some time in history. If the album is great and touring goes well...we'll see what happens and the promotion will come by itself. At this moment there's just no solid foundation for a huge promotion.
My opinion is they do well the way they do it, perhaps the website could have bene a bit more professional, but all that is in the pipeline and things are slowly building up. Relax, it's all good. Euro tour went very well, CD is nearly to come out, big US tour coming up...what more do you want at this moment??

Yeah, they must be really naive if they didn't learn anything from their last US tour.

Seriously. Maybe the egos are still inflated from the European tour, but as I've always said, GN'R are viewed differently in the States than in Europe - Europe is similar and so very different from US at the same time. They love Bukowski in Europe and value him as one of the best literary geniuses of all-time - in America they refuse to teach him in schools and no college will acknowledge that he has the most books of poetry available by any author, ever. He's considered "dirty" here.

GN'R are not held in as high esteem here as in Europe in general and without some kind of major hype like a single they're going to be re-experiencing '02 all over again.

A video on a website and an appearance on the VMAs is not promoting one's self.  :no:

How are the shows selling compared to 2002?

Actually, I don't even think they're selling as good as 2002. MSG sold out in 15 minutes back in '02.  :no:

GnR were Legends over here in Europe, most of the shows where sold out, a lot of the UK ones. Infact they must have played to around 70,000 UK fans which was awesome considering there was a great deal of promotion and no new material available to most people.

The day gnr announce this album a shockwave will be sent across the music media. EVERY music magazine will report it and many will feature the guys on the front cover.

All we need is that release date or a single and the tour will suddenly get some deserved publicity.

But yea we are all aware of this... is axl?!!?

GNR's management team is awful. There is no 2 ways about it. In 5 years since the band resurfaced they have done not a single thing that can tactically be considered a success in terms of launching the new band. You always get like 50% with them. They play to over 3/4 of a million people over the summer, yet not one time is the up-coming release of your album mentioned. You can't buy better exposure if you wanted to, but no one thinks about those kinds of things in the GNR inner-circle.

We are now under 3 months until the end of the year, and still not a word about any sort of release be it album or single. Even if they do release something it is not going to have near the promotion this should have given the magnitude of the album. Shit should have started brewing 6 months prior to a planned date if they were serious about really trying to make this thing a monster.

They have had years to properly develop a website for a product launch, and we get a half-assed one that clearly is a working process.

Major tour announcement, naturally on a Friday afternoon, the absolute worst day for any sort of media announcement because of the nature of the news cycle. Typically Friday's are reserved for the release of "bad news", so it is out of the cycle by Monday.

They still are the only headlining caliber band in the world with a completely inept sound team. Only band I have seen live more than once that can't make it through a show without having multiple incidents of awful mixing.

Thus is the world of GNR though. The same things that were a problem in 2002, are still a problem in 2006, and will be a problem in 2010. It is just sad that ultimately the band suffers because of the external factors that make it look like a half-assed operation.

It's sad but true.

"You know it's truuuueeee!!!"

Their management is absolutely terrible.

It doesn't help that Merck writes all their press releases and has apparently never heard of Microsoft Word spell check. Not slamming the guy but Jesus Christ, seriously dude, first your letter to the NY Times: riddled with spelling errors; since then I don't think I've counted a single one that hasn't had grammar errors.

The problem is it makes GN'R seem like it's being handled by a very small group - Axl, Beta, Merck - and doesn't give off a very professional vibe. IMO they need to re-hire some awesome, modern PR guys who handle MODERN albums by NEW artists who can get them out there.

Look at the Killers. Their new album's out: they had VMA performance, MySpace main page promotion, MTV spots, all types of stuff.

Come on, Axl. You hung with the Killers, now hire their PR.

Frankly I think over the years Axl went into solitude he let a select few get close to him (especially Beta) and after the criticism of '02 he's afraid to let anyone else get too close. It seems like Beta is his complete confidante and Merck handles everything related to the band.

That's cool if you're a local Johnny and the Toaster Boys country band from Bumfuck Arizona but when you're producing the most expensive album ever made you need the FRIGGIN' BIG GUNS!!! YEAH!!!!!

I think fuckin' Sebastian Bach has done more promotion for this band than anyone involved in the damn group!  :hihi:

Let's not ring the alarm bells just yet. The tour hasn't even started yet. Axl said that there will be a new album out in 2006. There is still time for an album and there is still time for people to buy tickets.

Yeah, but IMO they should be starting serious promotion now for the tour, and then the album.

It just seems like they're going to start the tour and drop the album halfway through with short notice - huge mistake I think.

We're 16 days away from opening night.

If something is gonna happen, they have only a little over two weeks to do so. There has to be a release date or at the very least - a single before the tour starts, or they're just asking for trouble.

Thank You!
Guns N' Roses fans are back, and the band wants to thank them for the tremendous response during the opening days of concert ticket sales. As an added bonus, all fans who buy tickets through GunsNRoses.com will automatically be enrolled in the Guns N' Roses Fan Club free for 90 days

Not trying to be a Pessimistic Pissy, but do you really think - even if tickets WERE selling horribly - the band would ever post:


I don't think so.  : ok:

They should play small arenas or clubs first.

After 90 days, we have to pay to be in the Fan Club? :confused:

The shows are not selling out which will be viewed as a failure. Generally, old GnR sold out shows that led up to the release of the album.
Jameslofton voiced these concerns more than a year ago.

In the final analysis, you cannot tour on the strength of leaks. It will not work in the States.

Especially since most people aren't even aware that songs were leaked.

Not every person in America is a Gunner like us.  :hihi:

GNR fans never left, so what did they go back to? The fans didnt abandon GNR. GNR abandoned its fanbase.

It should say "GNR are back", not "GNR fans are back". I agree. The leaks are old news forgotten by everyone but forum fans. Only way leaks can keep the tour afloat is if there's a new wave of leaks, and one of them happens to get major airplay.

wrong,i remember on www.billboard.com,i saw that msg show didn't sellout,there were 100 unsold tickets

No, the MSG show did sell out in 15 minutes.  There was a huge press release to let everyone know about it.  But now, the only show that's sold out is Halifax (in an arena half the size of the rest).  Bottom line... no single heard in the next two weeks, the band are fucked.

I cant believe they are (in this moment in time anyway) making the exact same mistake as last time...havent they learned?

It might change though...

They are making the same mistake

i'm sure that 90% of shows will be sellout or near selout


i don't worry about selling,only i want to hear is "do you know where the fuck you are"

That's always been my thinking aswell. GNR/Axl have been gone for so long, I think they have to earn the "arena/stadium" tag  again.

GnRs European tour was extremely successful with many of the gigs selling out and others being close. They played to around 90,000 UK fans in a 7 or 8 shows with virtually no publicity or promotion.

Whats the likelyhood of this US tour being successful guys? We all know the album and a single would boost it but thats not in the equation.

Im nervous as to whether or not gnr will fill venues.

Virtually no publicity or promotion?  Did you happen to watch any rock music channels or open any magazines when those dates were announced?  And no, none of the shows on the UK tour sold out.

I know for the venues in FL, there are PLENTY and I mean PLENTY of Floor/GA & lower-level (best seating off the floor) tix available for all of these FL shows, and we're only a week away from show #1 in Jax.

For this to be happening in only 10,000 seat arenas, I think it's pretty safe to say no one other than the hardcores are interested.

They've GOT TO PUT OUT SOMETHING! NOW! Not tomorrow, not next week, not maybe in a month. NOW.

Whether it's a single, or the album itself.

All of these people talking about 'little promotion'....

bullshit

The most popular rock station in the Tampa Bay area, has been playing adverts for the Forum show every other commericial break since they went on sale, and giveaways, and this still is what it's selling. Less than two weeks away.

Only in the last few days have they gotten away from Guns, to focuse more on advertisting the upcoming Aerosmith/Motley Crue show in late-November at a different venue in the area.

Nope. Firstly it's just a way of expressing their gratitude to the fans, old or new, nicely.

Secondly, maybe you diehards have never left but for the majority of the kids at GNR concerts in the last century GNR has been a happy good old memory. That doesn't mean they abandoned the band. They just don't follow the band about. The greater part of them are for the music and the performance and there was nothing to follow.
they keep silent till the band breaks the silence.

Well maybe they should have said "the most *dangerous* fans in the world are back!!!".

The Glasgow show, Birmingham show and both London at Wembley sold out

Apparently you were born in 1992.

You talk like GNR coming back is like the fuckin Yardbirds touring or something. Like it was 400 years ago they did what they did.

Nirvana is still modern, and yet the last time they put out new music was the last time GNR did.

Then how come there were literally hundreds of empty seats at Wembley on the 29th?

Doesnt mean those seats were for sale. Perhaps the capacities were decided and those tickets were sold.

A lot of the seating at those area shows were temporay seating erected for gigs by other companies.

There were huge gaps in sections... they open up tickets for whole sections.

I can't answer the question but the venue's not going to say they're sold out when they aren't.  Perhaps the tickets were sold and some people didn't decide to come.  But venue's not going to go  "Hey, we really have 2000 seats left but let's say we're sold out so nobody buys them".  That doesn't make a whole lot of sense

Also if the tickets were selling as poorly as some would say, GnR wouldn't be ranked #1 on Pollstar.  That doesn't meant that they're going to be selling out every venue they play but they must be selling at a pretty respectable rate to be ranked #1 on the ticket sales charts wouldn't you say?

Either that or everyone's doing pretty badly in the US at the moment.

This is getting odd.

 :o

If G N' R do not announce Chinese Democracy and release a single by Tuesday or Wednesday, I believe their first 4 or 5 performances will be in front of empty arenas, which is not good for positive publicity.

 :-\

This could be the greatest comeback in rock history if the band's  management play smart. The current G N' R lineup is an excellent band and the music (so far) is top notch. I just hope they do not blow their comeback. With that said, I have positive feelings for next week.

 :yes:

Remember, there's supposed to be a press statement regarding something sometime today.

Really? According to who?

What, a Jacksonville change. Whoopie.

i really doubt this press release is coming today, since it's after 5pm on the east coast

They said there'd be a press release.  No one said exactly what it would contain.

... ::)..Look..Axl is an old toad in this siuations...He and the band knows what to do..They won?t go out on another tour with absolutlie NO info about the new album. ....He was in the dark for about 4 years..then finally he steps out in the sun again..He doesn?t do that just for fun..When AXL shows up at parties, biting security guards, play live..He does it for a reason....10 years of waiting is enough..something WILL happend..The tour will go as smooth as a carrot in a blender  : ok:

Have we even gotten a press release today?  ???

Sorry but I don't see your point. I understand that you are in jealousy of youth. Or if it's that you're proud of being old, more power to you. I was utterly ignorant that yard birds toured 400 yrs ago.

Smartass, eh?

You do realize you're going to see a 44 year old frontman right?

Score It! From the 3-point line at the buzzer!

As Frozen Inferno might say: "Pizzown3d!"

Nope. :(

I'm going to the show in Greensboro NC. It hasn't sold out yet.

jolly people.
The Legend, read the quotes again.  I even said more power to you.
It's you who makes a big thing of age and not me.

Apparently Axl either.

Rose: No, not a lot, no. Basically, [I'm] listening to everything that's out there as far as music goes. That was a big difference between myself and Slash and Duff, is that I didn't hate everything new that came out. I really liked the Seattle movement. I like White Zombie. I like Nine Inch Nails, and I like hip-hop. I don't hate everything. I don't think everybody should be worshiping me 'cause I was around before them.

Axl Rose - A conversation with Kurt Loder
MTV US November 8th 1999

I don't give a fuck about trivial matters like your age, social status, or nationality, race etc.

What does any of that have to do with what we were talking about above?

It is tough for GNR to sell out huge arenas because AFD is still the main album in their setlist.  On the other hand, no other band can expect to have major success in the US by just playing 20 year songs and no new material out.  It's actually amazing that GNR can do this, it shows the staying power of their songs, but if they want to be really successful obviously CD and more new material needs to be released.

Motley crue had a similar successful tour.

Do you think they are pushing some cities back because they are not selling enough?  It seems kind of weird.  I bought a floor ticket in Chicago on ticketmaster 3 days after they went on sale.  I figured they would have sold out by now.  They need to announce a release date or its going to be 2002 all over with arenas only be half full.

Floor seats are still available in WORC

Ticket sales are slow almost across the board.? They should know that the US market is not the same as the European market.

I think that's why they booked smaller venues, some even smaller than 2002. Other than MSG, most are smaller.

I think after 2002, they know that ticket sales are only going to do so well, especially with no album or single out.

They played half house shows, at least in the smaller markets...that contributes to the "succesful" tag that tour recieved.? It plays better in reviews and promotion if the show is sold out, versus half empty, even if the half empty has more people than the sold out half house.? ?I wish GNR would be doing half house shows this time around, just to create more buzz and demand, at least in the medium to smaller markets.? I am going to the Minneapolis show, and they didn't come close to selling out in 02 with much lower ticket prices, although I though the crowd was decent. Hopefully they will get as many people this time around, who knows though, tickets started out like gangbusters but it looks like they havent sold a ticket since saturday.

I am not sure about continental airlines arena..I have been monitoring the sales on ticketmaster for this show since it is right next to my house..they sold out of GA the first week or so, then they slowly sold out of all the lower seats, now they are saying there are more GA available...also the closest seat in the top level is like 15 rows back...i saw Iron Maiden their last week and the venue was handing out GNR flyers promoting the show, I am seein the red hot chili peppers tonight which is sold out and tomorrow night is sold out..i am sure they will promoting the show these two nights as well....I think the show will be pretty much sold out...Iron Maiden had a decent crowd of like 14,000 or something, and GNR is way bigger than they are here in the states....

I think GNR would have no problem of selling out 10 - 15000 seated aphitheathers...

Crue did, and so must GNR

Right now, thats not the case sadly, at least in most markets. Maybe the single will turn it around.

Okay..i didn?t know...yeah..this is BS..I mean..haha..Give me the recooord !"

If there was a reunion and all they played was Appetite from Beginning to end.. The shows would sell out.

that's true but that would be lame.

I wouldn't even go to that show, if I knew that's what a potential reunion would be doing before hand.

Once again, other than a few songs, i'm sick of AFD.

"I'm sick of it, I want to bury that album" - W. Axl Rose, 1990

spread the word my brutha!

i want new, creative ventures from axl and the gang.

Exactly. It's been 15 years since GN'R put out new original material. We have a decade and a half to re-hear the old stuff over and over, and i've simply had my filling of it.

It's time for something new.