Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Lets face it.. Axl rose is the biggest man in RNR.. hes the only guy that MTV will play and support in Rock...

you think axl could save rock?? or at least open doors for more hard rock bands to come in and kick emo off the scene??

I make this kinda thread a few months ago. :hihi:
Yes, Guns N' Roses will turn the world of music scene. : ok:

Certainly is hope he'll start things up again for rock that doesn't suck.

2 words: hellz yeah  :-\

Why would he possibly save rock n roll? How could could he? GNR will never make an album as important or influencial as AFD. What Axl Rose can do is make a very good album and prove himself to himself and that's all you can ask. I think it might even be better than AFD, but your very naive if you think it's possible this record will be as important, sucessful or well regarded in musical history. IT WILL NOT.


Save Rock N' Roll? What the fuck from? It's doing just fine.

 i don't think rock music needs saving. ?i saw the raconteurs the other week and it seemed to me like rock music is doing all right for itself, axl or no.

Axl Rose is the embodiment of Rock N Roll

I think it's about a personal victory at this point...Brandishing someone as the "Saviour of Rock n' Roll" is a bit too dramatic.

Exactly. I'd rather be my age in the times of The Strokes, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, White Stripes, Radiohead, Beck and Interpol than back in the day listening to Motley Crue, Poison, Faster Pussycat, Iron Maiden and Metallica!

Of course, aide from GN'R you'd be in Manchester listening to The Smiths and Stone Roses back then.

well 1st he has to release the damn album which still looks like its never gonna happen.....in 1992 GNR had a huge year and it still had ZERO affect on the fact that grunge music was the story that year and all anyone talked about was nirvana, pearl jam and alice in chains........and mike patton from faith no more said it best in 1991...."rock n roll is dead...good fucking riddance."

FUCK YEA!!! ROOCK N ROLL IS ALL EMO SHIT NOW AND IT SUCKS!!!!!!

Rock music doesn't need to be "saved". There are some good Rock bands around.
I think Chinese Democracy will be big and very successfull. But it don't think it will be as big and as influencial as AFD, Use Your Illusion, Nevermind, What's the Story Morning Glory, Dark side Of The Moon, Thriller, or Exile On Main Streets etc... It won't "change" the face of music for 2 reasons:
- The old band inheritence is too big. It's like fighting against a huge Mountain. They were too big.
- The new guys are not promoted. It's all about Axl. (let's face it). So the band as "a band" doesn't have enough recognizion/impact to go as far.

It might change once the record is out though... but be realistic: Yes it will be great, yes it will be big, I'm sure the record will be awesome, the new songs are great, but no it won't make a "revolution" or something. It's quite desillusional to think ChiDem will "change the world".
We never know though... hey... maybe it will! I would be the 1st one to be happy about that, lol.  :smoking:

rocknroll excist without gnr,but  Axl have to save a soul of rock and roll

why???

because he is geniously motherfucker and only real rock star now

I don't care if rock n roll being saved by GN'R or not.
as long I heard the GN'R music ?playing on the station, clips on TV, Axl in magazine covers every weeks,GN'R
T-shirt everywhere,and alot of people enjoyed the new music. I can live happily ever after.
and I believe it will happen.

Nothing to save... with Avenged Sevenfold, Trivium, Tool, Velvet Revolver, Red Hot Chili Peppers and The Panic Channel around, rock music is in safe hands.

for me it's not true

If you came back in 70-es and 80-es you should find real rnr soul

now in 2006 you can find it only in motherfucker which name is Axl Rose

Velvet Revolver is funny band,i like duff and slash but to be real this is funny band

yeah, and their new album is more danceable now.

BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh my..god..thanks for the laugh,  dude, u fucking rock! best post of all time.  :rofl:
im off.

1. gnr is just not all about axl. Real fans go to thee guns n roses. the whole band not just axl. If you say the new band is all about axl then you are not a fan. you are an axl fan. Not a guns n roses fan. The new members fucking kick ass and guns always sells out shows even when everyone say they suck and it wont happen. ppl were saying it would happen with msg and it did its a fucking sold out show. bet you vr couldnt do that or any of the new rock bands today couldnt do that. People are not going to pay 100$ a ticket just to go see axl they would pay that much to see Guns N' Roses play a rock n roll concert!

2. velvet sucks and so so a7fold. tool has been around so has rhcp they wont make a cd like guns can though.

By danceable, and the fact they have Rick Rubin producing, read funky. ?There's gonna be more of a groove-based sound in the bass, reminiscent of Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Remember... it's Duff Mckagan who said it would be dancable. ?He said that Ten Minute Warning's album would be a dance album... I don't know if you've heard it, but it's pre-grunge seattle punk. ?Anything but dance.

I don?t know if he will save rock and roll but I?m sure he will shout a lot of mouths. This guy has talent, he has the music inside himself and he has a magnetism and a special aura that any artist over there will ever have. : ok:

It wasn't so bad back in the day..................

Guess you had to be there

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HAHHA that is THE funniest thing i've ever heard.. Strokes are disgusting , Yeah Yeah Yeahs are anything but ROCK N ROLL , White Stripes jack white can't play a guitar , Radiohead is eh and the other 2 i've never heard of!

Do you understand that All of those bands combined will never live up to the likes of Metallica , Much less Iron Maiden , or GN F'n R. I would much rather have grown up with those bands then the crap we have to call rock music now a days....

/ end rant lol

For the topic I know axl has the ability to do this but it aint happening. The new bands song are just not marketable to me like they are but not in a "Welcome to the Jungle" type of way... Rock n roll needs another new band to come up and save rock n roll , not an old one coming back.

Someone with Nirvana in their name is making a point about Jack White's guitar skills being less than competent?

This is probably one of the reasons he's delayed the album so long...too much pressure.

Anyways, look at the bands around today : Muse, Trivium, RHCP, Avenged Sevenfold, Tool, AND the Panic Channel...yeah i said it.

Plus, Iron Maiden, Metallica, and people like Isis/Pelican/Caspian are also making great music

This was about 3 years ago I had made the username and just kept it , i have it on so many forums I don't change it. Cobain blew at guitar , his lyrics were probably even worse but at a point I liked the band. Anyways im going to say that white is worse then cobain at guitar , either way band like those can't save rock n roll. We need a band with an attitude , a rock n roll image and lifestyle , someone real there is just something missing in these bands. They dont have that certain "thing"..

"White Stripes jack white can't play a guitar"

Go fuck yourself with your commments. I am a huge fan of anything jack white has done for years. If you havent been to a live show/ havent seen the live dvd ?"under blackpool lights" then you have no way of ever commenting on his ability. IMHO, he is one of the few people still making good rock music. I just hate when people talk shit, Jack writes some of the best guitar riffs i've ever heard, and he solos a lot in concert when he gets into it. Ball and biscuit for example. No1 can save rock and roll, rock and roll is still living in many bands, its just not mainstream. THis topic should be called can Axl make rock and roll mainstream like it used to be.

In case you hadn't noticed, people with the "rock n' roll image and lifestyle" hasn't impressed anybody for a very very long time.  Because bands like Motley Crue turned it into an embarrassing cliche.  One that I pray to God never comes back into fashion.
A band with a sound all of their own is enough to make a large impact on the music world, regardless of image.  Muse is one of the few bands that has such a unique sound.  And they're young enough to... unlike GN'R.  Like someone else said, people nearing the age of 45 never change music.

So, you watched a dvd...

I PLAY GUITAR.. jack white cant play.. he hits one string... not even powerchords..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am2__XbKmvc

that's good guitar playing? Thrashing around 3 chords with a fill between them? Screaming I smell a rat?

i'd much rather listen to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4it9uduzTMY

now thats good guitar playing.

Answer to post:

Yes!

It's just not possible I mean to normal every day people gnr is

Slash and Axl

to fans we know the whole deal

axl ,slash , izzy , duff , steven , matt , gilby , buckethead , brian , ron etc....

if people dont see slash attention is shut off to most people so I just can't see it being a HUGE mainstream success with it changing rock and all that , besides that rarely happens I mean GNR did it once , but we are asking for it agian lol.

they did?? ya, thats why Motley Crue is playing a tour with aerosmith, and had a #6 most succesful tour of 2005.. ::)

It doesnt matter, Its Axl Rose... the man could fart in a microphone and itd get on the radio...

Damm that foul Slash!

Thank you finally I dont understand people say old rock music wont sell because blah blah , thats why aerosmith has landed an album and single in the top ten every decade for the past 30 years? Sold out tours after sold out tours? Same goes with lots of other bands everyone has gotten so caught up in changing music , making it different , trying so hard to be original. What happened to the basics? Raw , Bare-Bones , dirty rock n roll?

He has pretty much been the laughing stock of rock for awhile lol , i mean i think it is messed up though dont get me wrong. Look how in 2002 when the tour failed blah blah there was so much press around it , to make him look horrible. The man has a decent band set up and shows lined up and completed with little incident and there is NO where near as much press...people want to see axl fail...

Totally agree.  I've seen the Stripes three times live, and Jack is absolutely amazing.  His solo during Ball & Biscuit is one of the best things I've ever seen live.

but still, the IRS leaks were played on the radio, and got to like #40 on the rock charts...

whens the last time a demo leak has gotten on the radio??

dont get me wrong, I LOVE slash, but any member of gnr will sell :yes:

Those bands are already well known.  Trust me... no new band like that will ever get big.

Matt doesn't sell.

if u told anthony kieidis and flea the chili peppers are a rock n roll band they would jump off a building....thats the LAST thing the chili peppers are about is rock n roll..they are based in punk rock and funk music.......and rockn roll was dead around 1990 courtesy of faith no more, the chili peppers and nirvana

Jack white is horrible at guitar downright horrible

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYnRo_tOykQ

what is that? I've heard garage bands better then that , once again more chords just strummed , drums are so annoying....

To the guy that says no new band will ever sell like that how come? How come they did it? but others can't? I dont understand that logic at a point they where not popular and had to work.

i think john frusciante might disagree with you on that one.

how come rock n roll dies every decade?

hendrix , o well rock n roll is dead?

then comes led zeppelin for the 70's

o well they break up , rock n roll is dead

then comes van halen for the 80's

o well they lose david lee roth , rock n roll is dead

comes GNR for the late 80's and early 90's

they disband up rock n roll is dead?

rock n roll is always dying huh?

Name somthing Rock N Roll from this decade

the 00's?

that's what im saying man is that we need a band with the image , style and attitude...because every decade a band has done it and we are running out of time...but then again GNR did'nt hit big until 88? right or maybe even 89? so we have some time... I was just replying to the person who had said rock n roll wont sell agian like it did before , people have said that countless times and it still sells....

Rock has always had its ups and downs.

even in the early 80s, 80,81 new wave was it and people thought rock was dead..

then came bands like Ratt, motley crue and tore up the place... then mtv took over, softened it, and then gnr came out...

It's been a long time since there was a truly great band around, and i'm not talking about the ones already around.

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yea that's what im saying we are going through that period of time right now....and we need a gnr-esque band to come out and take over the world. Not as in their sound but their attitude, young and careless you know the whole deal..we need another straight rock n roll guitarist , like joe perry , slash , page...those sweet blues licks with a rock phrasing.

EXACTlY!!! Im not saying the band has to sound just like gnr, they just have to take those Led Zeppelin influences and bring it back...

sad thing is ROck was ALWAYS about having a good time, not taking yourself too seriously(except for the music of course) now everything is TOO serious.. we need some bands who just are having a good time....

thats why bands like Aerosmith, rollingstones are timeless IMO they werent trying to make a statement, just playing Rock music and having a good time...

I?m not going to name any current bands to avoid offense but I really doubt they will ever have a place in the throne of Rock?n?roll.

Some can be better, some can be worse but within a few years they won?t even be remembered. Bands like Metallica,Iron Maiden,GNR...etc are not going to change Rock music because they DID change it in their time. Maybe now they could save Rock?n?roll from its current apathy and lack of originality, not changing it but evolving and bringing back the spirit.

old bands arent goign to bring it back, but if kids are opened up to the older bands who were good musicians, they make pick up guitar or drums, or try and sing like that... and create their own bands in that vein...

its all about influence... if all kids hear these days is EMO, their gonna play EMO... but if a kid hears GNR and says "hmm let me check out bands like them" and checks out bands from the 60s,70s,80s he can have some good influences for music...

Band's like Muse are where it's at now... no other band sounds like them, and that's what is needed for a band to change the world. ?Not faux machoism and posing.

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HOLY CRAP we have the exact same look on music man. Music is about having fun letting loss of forgetting about everyday life. SUre some serious moments here and there but now a days bands take it too far. Either direction you gotta balance both because too much fun = simple plan shit , and too serious = boring music. Yea it's not about making some huge statment it's about playing balls to the wall rock n roll. We need a band to balance out both , but we havent gotten any so far. A band that will struggle to make it to the top and have those years were they are IT. Rock n roll used to be about partying and drinking and just going buck wild , what is rock n roll now? I have no f'n clue , but i have no doubt that in a couple years we will have our band man , our back to the basic hard rock band.

Another blues-based classic rock guitarist is the last thing we need! ?That's called regression, people! ?And music is all about progression!
Tell Axl that you think we should be looking to the past instead of the here and now or the future and he'd probably laugh in your face, becase he's one of the most progressive musicians out there!

whats need is original sound , AND a bad ass image and attitude. Really i know music is not image but it does play a factor into it , if axl was fat , and bald in 1988 gnr would have never gotten anywhere.To the guy who said if you listen to emo then you play emo CORRECT man i used to listen to nirvana so I played em , then i discovered sabbath , zeppelin , stones, ac.dc , gnr , crue , black crows etc... and I played them as do MANY kids that are growing up who are in my age ( 15-17 ) so within the next years ( we will be 19-21 ) a band will emerge...

so why cant that blues based classic rock guitarist take what was given to him and make it different???

when GNR came out people called them "aerosmith ripoffs" ?but they added something to the formula that aerosmith didnt..

Eddie Van Halen listened to tons of blues artists. he took that and improved on it and made his own style of shredding, finger tapping...

you can listen to older stuff and make it different..

music is not a GAME man , it's music. What is wrong with regression? Why must people keep trying to push the boundarie further and further , what is the point. Wacky sounds doesnt mean good music , original no shit , but good hell no. How do you gain influence buddy? By looking to the past and learning. We have no blues basic rock guitarist around , a modern one a new guy on the scene. I just think we need another rock n roll band , not some progressive band that is trying to wierd out everything. Guns N Motely THANK YOU

people looked at slash and said HAHAH rip off , that's what music is about looking to the past and adding in your own personality and creating some music. Slash never got any respect until after AFD , people call page sloppy , since when is music about perfection?

No, people think Axl is passed it now, to save Rock N Roll you need a fresh, young new band to save it. I wish Axl could but I doubt he will.

This goes to the few people who posted above me too. Buckcherry's going to do it, I'm telling you. They've got the rock n' roll image and lifestyle. They're rock stars. Josh Todd and Keith Nelson are the Mick & Keith, Steve & Joe, Axl & Slash of the 2000's. The gnr guys obviously agree since both josh and keith were almost in VR and they played a song together. They also chose to release a song Keith co-wrote as a single. Plus soon Buckcherry are going to have their second Gold album. They've played on the same bill as GNR, Motley Crue and AC/DC to name a few. They're the only actual rock band I know from this decade that has a chance. They even managed to cross into the pop charts with a song that shouldn't have been a hit ever and it was a rock song. They've had two big hits and both have been rock songs. Even Guns N' Roses didn't do that well until Sweet Child was released. This can mean only good things. If any band can do it they can. Plus I may be in the minority but I do find Buckcherry original. They've taken element from all the past generations instead of just looking at one thing and going with it. You can hear 70's elements, 80's elements and modern elements in their songs. They've got hard rock songs, power ballads, acoustic blues songs, modern sounding songs, punk songs and whatever else you want. They shall take over! Motley Crue and many other bands had to struggle before they got big and in an age where you get on hit album and then fade away Buckcherry is already ahead because they already did that, but unlike most bands they managed to come back instead of being another one-hit wonder {like most new bands like the darkness and some old bands like Quiet Riot}

Really... how do you explain the fact that Muse are the UK's biggest rock band, gaining a healthy following all over the world then. ?They did all that with an original sound... and they didn't have to be "badass"... because the "badass" thing is so tired now, that it impresses no one!

bad ass has and always will impress people. Slash could do my mother and kill my dog in front of my eyes , and still I'd say lets go jam man you know why because he my friend is a geniune bad ass.

yeah but...

when hedrix died there were led zepellinn,rstones...when they broke up 1980 there were more than 10 rnr great bands (aerosmith,queen,deep purple,,rstones were fresh too,and glam metal bands were on the start)

But now,you haven't that,you have legend about gunsnroses and their new album,and for sure Axl Rose ?have a big preasure,because he is very inteligent man and he knows he is big chance for rock and roll music

Dude, do you know anything about music?  If badass impressed anyone the Towers Of London would be the world's biggest band right now. ::)

well, musically music has regressed... we went from guys like slash,eddie van halen, jerry cantrell in the late 80s,early 90s to kurt cobain....

theres really NO guitar heroes out there anymore... theres no guys I look at and go I want to play guitar because of that guy..

You have a point there but when I talk about bring back I refer to the spirit not to the music. The key with all musicians is to evolve and I think Axl has evolved and maybe he has some infuences from different ( old or NEW )bands/musicians/sounds... BUT with the true rock spirit still there. I don?t know if you get what I mean,English isn?t my mother language and sometimes I can?t explain well what I really want to say :)

buckcherry I almost forgot about them... yes, they were the biggest surprise of the year.. who wouldve thought... after their one hit in 1999 theyd come back 7 years later and have a big hit and sell 400,000 copies of their new cd..

The sounds were new! ?That's why it became popular! ?People were bored of hearing the "guitar god" shit from people like Van Halen... they wanted something new. ?And Nirvana was it!

And Jerry Cantrell was a member of Alice In Chains... their first record was released in 1990 - breakthrough record in 1992. ?He wasn't putting out music in the late 80s.

I get what you mean, its kind of what im saying too.. its about the spirit of rock n roll...

ok see you are not hearing me out i didn't say it's ALL about image the thing is we need a balance of it. Like zeppelin or aerosmith , kick ass tunes with a cool attitude. Image is a big factor in music and success you can't not go on stage with suspenders and stomach high pants with big glasses on expecting to have a good reaction. You have to appeal to people you have to have the "cool" factor.

Yea we need another guitar "hero" it's unexplainable i think ozzy said it best

" I dont want you to play fuckin fast man , I want you to make a riff so that some kid hears it and says holy shit i want to play guitar because of that "

( irony is that was in response to why he didnt want buckethead lol )
yes and since gnr everything has been crappy power chords and boring everything , trying to push boundaires. So what was new is old , and what was "old"  ( classic rock type bands , with the style attitude etc ) can now become "new" to a whole other generation.

And Nirvana couldnt play... why didnt that torch go over to a band like Alice in Chains or Pantera?? who COULD play their instruments well...they were moving music forward... Nirvana was moving it backwards because now all you have to do to be as good as kurt is learn about 4 chords...it made it OK To suck at your instrument..

alice in chains improved on the sound of those bands before them...brought something new to the table..(I know they came out in 90, but still before nirvana)

Muse have an image too... it's not the "badass" one, though. ?It's the one that people are interested in nowadays. ?They'd be laughed at and ridiculed like every other band who has that attitude if they did.

I wait a second to reply, then hit refresh and 20+ posts pop up.

no one said anything about the muse.. you keep bringing them up.. I like the muse and think they are a good band... but they are one aspect of rock. they arent bringing it back.. they arent radically different from alot of the new bands out there... they arent against the grain of the time..

Actually, no... Nirvana's first album was released in 1989.
And bands today can play their instruments... get it into your head that you don't have to be playing complicated guitar solos to be able to play guitar.

guns n roses ,motley crue , aerosmith , ac.dc , metallica , stones , maiden , zeppelin , buckcherry , alice in chains , sabbath , ozzy in general , zakk wylde, randy rhodes , deep purple are all laughed at?


Ok NAME some bands that can play guitar really? Im dying to hear them?

Megadeth + Metallica

? are you responding to my question lol? I meant modern bands , fresh guys.

Muse, Stereophonics, Trivium, Avenged Sevenfold, Slipknot, Korn (yes, they can play), Tool, A Perfect Circle, Audioslave.

And yes... all of those bands are mocked now. ?And Alice In Chains were never badass... they're considered a depressing, introverted band... you not read those lyrics?

THEN THATS REGRESSING MUSICALLY!! dont you see...  sure they can play their instruments... well?? NO!

if you cant play your instruments that well you cant go into other territorys, your stuck at your level playing with what Little information you know...

all those bands are mocked? Yea right i doubt thats why GNR releases a greatest hits album and it soars to #1 on the charts? Korn can not play at all , their gutiarist are de tune to the lowest possible and whack off, a7x are pretty good i wont lie but they are too robotic in their style , trivium i can;t stand , APC is made from members of older bands as is audioslave. Slipknot? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA wow have you ever attmepted to play a guitar in your life? they're horrid. 

Dude... rhythm guitar is much more difficult than lead guitar is. ?So yes, they can play their instruments well.

those bands are mocked??? last I heard their considred Rock Legends... theirs no convincing you...

Yes, I love all those bands, and those bands you listed (trivium, avenged sevenfold, audioslave, muse) can play good, but they havent changed the rock scene yet have they?? No... ?is it getting better?? yes, but its not nearly near their yet..

Have you ever heard what these guys can actually do when they let rip? ::)

axl cant save rock n roll because hes not going to produce rock n roll music.

isnt it obvious from the demos this music certainly isnt rock n roll.

yes it is i agree , but they can't PLAY regardless. Cept maybe morello and the dudes from APC..


Yea if you are mocking any one of those bands you might as well not consider yourself a rock fan lol.

^ what guys let rip? Korn's guitarist sound like giant farts

Nothing about Rock Music here.

theirs more to rythm guitar than powerchords... I NEVER mentioned lead guitar... theirs TONS of Chords you can you to make a riff, all giving a different sound... you are very limited player if you can only play powerchords...


and playing lead?? easy?? not really, making a GOOD solo is hard...

That's a no, then. ::)  Go get a clue before commenting, idiot.

Agreed ?:beer:

John Frusciante work on the last HHCP album is great and very Rock N Roll....great solos...has a Jimy Hendrix vibe.



Well said it is so true... :crying:


Back on topic.. AXL is the last true Rock N Roll star out there,the music will speak for it self... :smoking:

YUP perfect example is izzy , rhythm is intersting and hard. Yes i've heard those bands who said no? why dont you get a clue before you comment idiot if you are sitting here telling me people are mocking rock legends who is the idiot? When most of those bands have been on top of the world. Exactly listen to the Dani California solo that's just cool , that can make people pick a guitar up. The thing is if kids keep listening to crappy music then they will make it ahhhh a giant circle.

Have any of you really looked at the outside world, or are you all in a dreamworld where everyone loves the 80s, and they're just waiting for a band to come out just like the stuff back then... because you know, that's why the stuff became so unpopular in the first place. ::) ?The world has moved on... and so should you. ?The bands who are so pathetically lost in the past are never going to get anywhere. ?Chinese Democracy will be an album that has progressed far beyond the dated sound of 15-20 years ago. ?It's going to sound a lot like all of the modern bands you despise so much. ?So if you can't open your mind's up to that, you're all fucked when the record actually comes out.

If you listen to many modern guitarists, they're playing more than just power chords.  Idiots stuck in the 80s are just convinced that's all they play, because you think it'll make your point that they can't play.

Yeah those old bands are mocked....but all the new bands you just named are mocked too. Avenged Sevenfold have tried to get a "badass" image. It just was too paper-thin to work.

Um you totally missed my point... 80s stuff isnt even my most fave genre.. my whole point is that musically RNR has degressed... now theres no effort. you can just pic up a guitar, learn a powerchord and wow your a guitarist now... theres MORE to rock than that... Nothing has progressed, because musicians arent getting better to progress...

why did slash progress more than joe perry??? because he had more theory, more musical information to make him a better player....

listen to how simple most rythm guitar is on the radio today.. .listen to what izzy used to do.. thats complex...

music has been simplified... thats my whole point... Led zeppelin, the doors, the stones it was all about playing... MOST mainstream bands today cant play for shit..

I dont care what genre you play, but you should be able to pplay... Jimi Hendrix probably would be turning in his grave rigt now if he saw how far music has regressed..

Do you play guitar?? I really want to Know.. because I play guitar and I can tell when someone is playing just a powerchord or chords...

The music is progressing... if it sounds different, that's progression. ?Doesn't matter how difficult it is to play. ?Regression is when something comes out that went out of fashion years ago.

PssT, hey dude! thanx to this lame ass rant I?m going home!
You have ruined the arrival of the Messiah ;D



( joking ;))

Yes, I play guitar... and I can tell you there's much more involved than that.  Actually, there's more power chords in the new GN'R demos than there are in the average APC song.

it doesnt have to be the stuff back then , it can have many twists and turnrs. It became unpopular because it got old ?so a new form of music moved in , now the new music is getting old and pushing the limits etc is boring , so the new shall become classic rock with a new twist. Yea i know it's going to sound like modern bands , thats why im downloading it buddy. Im a classic gnr fan not a new one.


i've seen them and seen tabs all they play is power chords buddy sorry to burst your little world were everyone thinks pushing limits means amazing music , and listening to a band determines if they use power chords or not. Exactly slash took what joe perry had and expanded ( as joe perry took from page who took from various random black blues players lol ) exactly it's so simple to be a guitarist now a days....

see my friends band is something i like and dig , i want a band like this ( maybe more rock n roll less southern ) to get somewhere..

www.myspace.com/straightfork

thats GOOD gutiar playing.

yes, soundwise it is progressing, but musically wise, it isnt... It does matter how difficult it is to play.. because the more simplified you make music, the lower the standards are...

why waste my time practicing for years and be as good ?as jimi page?? when I can be a kurt cobain within 6months...

I lean to MrRedfield's opinion. Doesn't "badass" sound a bit childish? Ok, A matter of taste.
Any music is danceable to me, btw

Like many have said in this thread, and in many other threads identical to this, I don't think RnR needs to be saved, whatever it means. I hear the major music scene was little better than now in the 70s or 80s. There're always people who think like everything was beautiful in elder times.
there're many good bands here and there and I don't think I like '80s metal. 
GNR is aloof.
No band has changed the scene single-handedly.
Some say axl single-handedly changed the surroundings tho.


You said it! : ok:


Is it obvious?
In that case, what is it and what is rock n roll? Is tool, korn or muse rock?  ???

It doesn't matter at all... if you can write a good tune with limited technical skill, go for it!  It's the tune that matters, not the technicality.

No those bands are really rock, they're alternative. But APC are broken up now so they're not really a good example.

The music is progressing...- This thread is progressing

exactly with that mentality is why music has been stuck in a rut for awhile. Ok bad ass does sound a little child ish but im sure everyone gets what i mean. A band that has crazy antics. You dont just get inspired by someones playing , their attitude does as well. That's the problem a good tune is now 3 power chords and some singning maybe a few fills. What happened to the days where there were lyircs with meaning , guitarist with flare , bassist with presense?

Lyrics with meaning?  You mean... "Girls girls girls"? ::)

no i mean paradise city or stairway to heaven , crue is just a fun band man , home sweet home thats a great song with some meaningful lyrics.

Well Girls Girls Girls has meaning. Just not a very deep one. But The Crue does have some meaningful songs

Sorry... you just said Paradise City's lyrics were meaningful. :rofl: ?Appetite For Destruction was an amazing album, but Axl didn't start trying to insert any deep meaning into his lyrics until Use Your Illusion.

Estranged is a song with meaning, paradise city is just an anthem.

but see dont look at through your point think of a 12 or 13 year that is listening that speaks to them man  ( trust me ) it's like take them to a place where all is fine. AFD changed my entire life , and it happened for a reason.

not every song has to have a deep meaning...

As long as it has a meaning. Some lyrics make no sense at all.

 :hihi: man you are so right

people think that you must have the most complex arrengement of lyrics and guitars and instruments to make a good song, that or either they strum 3 chords no bands in the middle.

If songs had to have meaning, 99%+ of music woudn't exist and we would all be Sonic Youth fans.

That said, there's still more meaning in a song like Heart-Shaped Box than there is in Paradise City - I love both songs, just for comparison.

just listen to scott weilands lyrics... dont make any sense.

"somebody raped my tapeworm abortion"

The lyrics of the new songs are further refined.


True this time, the discussion is getting interesting. Please, people, keep it civil. :yes:

Yeah. The thing with songs like "Heart-Shaped Box" though is no one really knows what it means. You can get a million different interpretations and then listen to people argue over it and it's not like we can ask Kurt.

maybe more meaning but , paradise city has an impact on somebody. I was huge on nirvana i rememeber listening to HSB and it was good and all but PC spoke to me ?( me being a 12 - 13 year old kid ) it made me pick up a guitar. Cobain never did anytihng for songs like HSB are so boring , i mean nirvana's song all sound the same. In fact i say that bleach is the most original album... HSB was about what some box he gave courtney? something like that? Think about PC how it was written , in the back of a van coming back from seattle ( ? ) on the way to LA with axl and co writing there hearts out on how they want to be taken to the "paradise City" that has way more meaning to me , and really impacts me more.

hahah even then kurt never knew what his songs where about he would openly admit it , i mean he said that in utero was a bunch of poems trown together.

Did HSB not have anything at all to do with cancer?

RageNirvanaNIN... I've come to the conclusion, you really do know nothing... so I'm out.

Real mature^^   but you guys just gave two different meanings you heard of from HSB which proves my point.

I don't know about saving,but I hope he can make it bigger..


yes,this discussion is interesting..i hope it won't get locked

Heart-Shaped Box
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She eyes me like a Pisces when I am weak
I've been locked inside your Heart-Shaped box for weeks
I've been drawn into your magnet tar pit trap
I wish I could eat your cancer when you turn back (Alt: ... when you turn black)

Hey! Wait!
I've got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Hey! Wait! (Alt: Hate! Haight!)
I've got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Hey! Wait!
I've got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Your advice

Meat-eating orchids forgive no one just yet
Cut myself on angel's hair and baby's breath
Broken hymen of your highness I'm left back
Throw down your umbilical noose so I can climb right back

Hey! Wait!
I've got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Hey! Wait!
I've got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Hey! Wait!
I've got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Your advice

She eyes me like a pisces when I am weak
I've been locked inside your Heart-Shaped box for weeks
I've been drawn into your magnet tar pit trap
I wish I could eat your cancer when you turn back (Alt: ... when you turn black)

Hey! Wait!
I've got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Hey! Wait!
I've got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Hey! Wait!
I've got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice

Your advice (x3)



ok?

i know nothing how do I know nothing? I know more about the bands you talk about then you know about the ones ?speak of. If you have called aerosmith and zeppelin out and "mock" them you know NOTHING suit yourself.

So

anyways to further show kurts thoughts on lyrics

Answer straight for cobain himself
"Music is first, lyrics are secondary." - Kurt

Well then I guess we can all move on from Nirvana, cause their not gonna save Rock N Roll are they?

hahah true well i dont know what to argue about because mr.red left because i supposedly knew nothing lol....righhht

Well i think kurt was right in saying music comes first. I don't dig lyrics if I don't like the music.

Atari. does your name not have anything to do with some instrument maker? :P


Could it be one of the factors that make good lyrics?

TRUE i was gonna point that out but he makes he lyrics so absurd and broad that it MEANS anything , not neccisarly has different interperations...you understand? Some songs dont need different meanings to be kick ass ex

Free Bird

No it's from a game company.

True it is a factor, otherwise why are we all here?

The problem with that mentality is that no matter how stupid something, is if you analyze it enough you'll get some profound meaning. So it's very difficult to argue what good lyrics are and what bad lyrics are.

Fuck this, fuck that, kill everyone

Are they good lyrics?

Some would say so. Some would say they're not. Then someone would defend them and say something to the effect of " It's ____'s way of screaming out against the corruption of modern society and beginning the cleansing with the death of the current generation". You see what I mean?

I do, but there comes a point when we should all know that some lyrics by some bands are just nonscense.

what is scott weiland trying to say with the lyrics "somebody raped my tapeworm abortion"

love weiland, but alot of his lyrics are pure gibbrish :rofl:

I wish it were true. I laughed my ass off when I read someone argue about how System Of A Down's "Cigario" was a deep, profound political song talking about Bush and America.

Great example, Weiland pretends like he knows whats going on, but since he spends so much time in rehab I question it.

"somebody raped my tapeworm abortion"

Fanboy response: Scott's talking about being rejected {abortion}and the feeling ?vof being ulnerable {raped} and ?small {tapeworm} in the grand scheme of things.

Exactly people can take moronic things and turn them into profound amazing lyrics...

see interpretation of a song like stairway ( there is a lady who is sure all that glitters is gold ) gold can be anything you want and you can twist to see that this person is just in fact materialistic...by in other bands terms ( as in weilands ) it's just absurd comments that people make sense of.

yea i remember when somebody told me that the teen spirit part where he says

an albino , a mosquito ,  my libido

was feelings of being outcasted ( albino ) feeling small ( mosquito ) and having sexual drive? Fanboys...lol

I seen VR last year, he looked around the stage at various points, as if to say what am I doing here, is that Tophat mine, look it's people from GNR but who is that other dude?

i saw em too they were pretty damn good wont lie , but he butchered used to love her...

lol I know. It's amazing what people come up with to defend songs. I like some of these bands with songs like that but come on!

Profound Lyrics:

It's like when people blame Manson for those school shootings.

That was pretty funny especially since they hated Manson yet the media decides to blame Manson.

They said they were goths, but I guess Stereotyping people is for another thread.

Well it was revealed that they weren't part of the goth thing they were just friends with people who were and that they didn't actually listen to Marilyn Manson. But this is going quite a bit off topic.

right we went from can axl save music to claims that mansons inspires kids to kill...

Yes or No answers never applied to begin with. Somewhere along the line this thread became about lyrics and Nirvana.

judging by the democracy demos it doesnt even sound like axl will be into doing a rock n roll album..

so what do you think it will be then please tell

Didn't Mike Clink or some ex-producer not say the album is heavier than people think, after the leaked tracks.

So far the songs lean to alternative terrioty that I've heard. Still awesome.

"So, you watched a dvd...

I PLAY GUITAR.. jack white cant play.. he hits one string... not even powerchords.."

You couldn't be more wrong dude. Alot of good riffs are played from one string, and many of his riffs are played using chords. I play guitar also, and just cause you "play" doesnt mean you can say who has talent and who doesn't. Jack White is more of an accomplished guitarist then you will ever be. Anyways, I've seen so many stripes shows its unreal, and I've been to them, sure Meg isnt a great drummer, but her purpose is to keep a beat and keep it simple. The stripes and jack are very bluesy and like to keep the elements of the music simple, and thats very respectable. Jack White also plays a great slide guitar. Jack has developed into a great musician since 1998, he wasnt where he is now back then, but he has his place in music and in guitar.

Look at this video, and I guarentee any of you who doubt his ability, well, you will think twice. The dude plays with straight emotion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfav21lR21o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt33IMj2lwU

But anyways, I can't win arguements with people who refuse to acknowledge talent. Not that that's all of you.

who says he will be more accomplished then I ever will be???  Ok i take back alot of what I said he is a pretty decent guitarist but he still sounds like someone who has been playing for like 2 years.. But alot better then what I expected from him.

Nope. At a time I would've said so, but out of the stuff that's leaked, as much as it rocks, there's nothing that really has been mind-blowing.

I tell you whats missing from rock n roll, Cocaine, smack, speed and weed and lots of sluts on the side.
oh and to Mr I love 90's and muse are so great guy... don't argue with the youth of this generation because you arnt it anymore, we know whats going on with are own and trust me rock n roll bands from the past are big influences to us just. give it 4 or 5 years and see what happens

There was a time blew me away..

I actually like the white stripes... Im just saying..

meg white sucks on drums.. you have to accept that.. Im better than her.. and i play guitar..

yes sir  : ok: you are completely right the "confused , lost , alternative" youth of the 90's is long gone the kids who have been borin in 87-92 are seeing the light of day and as you said

Cocaine Speed smack and weed , that's right buddy rock n roll is making a come back.

yep iam a part of youth of this gen as is this guy and guns n motley, i play bass and rythem guitar and trust me i know whats going on in todays scene the emo kids today who are making bands today are like the hair metal bands in 1989 to 1990 just followers on a dying genre who came to late. I plan going to the sunset strip in 2 years time i'll be 20 and i know several others planing this move, also guns n motley, arnold plans on going also iam gonan give him a ride down there, lol if he doesn't change his mind or gets hit buy a Saab. : ok:

IDK if im gonna go to the sunset strip.. from what i hear the rock scene is pretty much dead in LA..But I would love to go there at least for a couple months in the summer in a couple years, see what i can do :yes:

I do live near Boston, so I may try up there..

you swear to god?

honestly tell me you are serious

this is my plan too man I can;t wait for us I know there will be many 19 , 20 year olds that will try to make it once again and rock n roll will come back. FUCK YES i can't beilieve others actually have the same plan man , i've been on this since 7th grade. Yea our generation will bring some music back hell yea.

you don't even know man this is gonna be life or death for me iam either gonna do it or die trying there is no middle ground for me.

OMG we are going to meet up there seriously we over here feel the same we ( my band ) it's ride or die bitch!! lol i mean we are either gonna make or thrash horribly....ahh youth... :beer:

I agree. It will be an instant GNR-classic, but still, it's nothing fresh. It's completely in the same vein as Estranged.

axl won't save rock n' roll because rock and roll died in the early 90's.

people only expect axl to write memorable songs, that people can remember in 5-10 years and still play them without being bored. bands now only put out songs so they can cash in and have one hit that will boost album sales, but in 6-8 months people will forget that song. so they have to put out new music every year or every 2 years so people don't forget about them. how come guns n' roses can live off 2 albums that were released 15 years ago? take any band from now and don't let them release any more albums if they have 2 or 3 already relased, let's see how fast they'll be forgotten. and don't give me examples of white stripes, a7x, muse, etc... because i've heard their music but it didn't give me a reason to listen to their music. as for the bands of the 70's 80's, i'll still like maiden, gnr, kiss, stones, sabbath, aerosmith, queen, etc... because they made memorable songs. if music is better and is evolving, why do people turn to these bands and not to the new bands that emmerged in this last years?

people wait chinese democracy because axl is the only big artist of the 80's 90's that still has to release something. and people hope that this album will give them memorable songs like the great bands used to offer.