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I'm sure there is probably a thread for this, but since theres so many Vs threads, why not one about the best two bands of the last 2 decades.

I pick NIN, I love GNR but too me it's 3 great studio albums vs 4 great studio albums.

I really don't like NIN at all to be honest.

I did like their last album and the song they did with Bowie, but I can't stand Downward Spiral.

So, Guns for me.  : ok:

I love NIN (their my second favorite band), but Guns N' Roses are a superior band.

GnR have more great songs, imo, than NIN does. Also, AFD is one of the greatest albums of all time.

this is stupid, NIN is so over rated its not even funny, whats with you people? do you think becuase axl wanted to make an industrial album means you all have to go out and say "i love NIN, industrial rules  ::)"
i mean NIN has one alright album being pretty hate machine, but i bought downward spiral and it was out my car window 20 minutes later :no:.

With_Teeth was good, especially the song 'Only'  "There is no fuckin you, there is only me."  great chorus

GNR, with NIN close behind

I really don't like Downward Spiral either. In fact I despise it. It's ugly, loud, annoying.

With Teeth is much better; sounds more like a band and not the one-man Trent Reznor "I'm real depressed and lonely" show. The lyrics were still pessimistic and introspective but more mature and with more accessible hooks; "The Hand That Feeds" is a great song.

Hmmm...

It's really hard. Both bands started out terrifically with their first couple of records (AFD and Lies / PHM and The Downward Spiral), but in the pursuit of something grander both bands stumbled badly (UYI vs. The Fragile).

I'll give it to GNR for the one-two punch of AFD and Lies, but having said that, neither of those records quite matches the perfection that is The Downward Spiral.

Both are great bands.  Both have had Robin Finck in them.  ;D

GNR has the edge in my personal opinion but that all comes down to personal taste...  I consider both to be in an elite category of the best bands of the last 20 years.

What's the point in comparing two totally different bands  ???

NIN is its own thing, it's not metal, I don't know what it is.  Avant garde you could say.  GN'R is a rock band, with many traditional rock/musical sensibilities.

Dont u mean,

Both bands are great. Despite having Robin Finck in them

Ah Gnr fans.....''Axl likes NIN, well...er......so do i, yes thats it, i've been a fan for...er......40 years er.......''

You're saying they're "over rated" when you've listened to PHM and "20 mins" of TDS?

You seem like a guy who listens an album, if it doesn't have the "AFD-first-listen-hit-run", then you decide it's shit. I undestand not everyone has to like NIN(or any other band), but that doesnt entitle to say they're "over rated".

I guess I have to post somthing before this becomes, a NIN bashing thread.

Pretty Hate Machine
The Downward Spiral
The Fragile
With Teeth

Without NIN there would be no real Industrial Scene, and maybe no hope for the next GNR album.

You don't like Broken? AATCHB?

Is that not a remix album?

You've confused it with Fixed?

Sorry!

Not that the remix albums aren't good too.

I can't choose between the two.  They're my two favourite bands of all time... to me Hurt and Estranged, Welcome To The Jungle and Head Like A Hole will always be equal.

Um, I love NIN, and it has nothing to whether Axl likes them or not. Believe it or not, people do listen to other music regardless of whether it's on Axl Rose's ipod... ::)

Anyway, as for the topic, GN'R and NIN have two very different styles. GN'R are classic rock while NIN are modern industrial rock. You can definitely see simliarities as others have said. Both started out much more straight-ahead in their approach (AFD and PHM) and then expanded their sound (UYI and The Fragile). To me The Fragile is a similar epic masterpiece for NIN the same way the UYI is for GN'R.
If you don't appreciate how great The Fragile is, give a it a few more listens, because it's definitely underrated. Same with The Downward Spiral.

I'd probably pick GN'R over NIN out of the two, but wouldn't necessarily say they're better. Just different.

 :hihi:

There's some truth to that.

But to be honest I'm surprised how many fans of GN'R love NIN. I know everyone's favorite MyGNR mod Madison is a huge Trent Reznor groupie. There must be some link between the two groups (in general - not Robin Finck) that I don't "get" because I think GN'R is the great rock n' roll band of our time and NIN is an entirely different band that makes a lot of experimental industrial noise - most of which I don't like.

But as I said before WITH TEETH was a pleasant surprise - IMO it's by far their strongest album; which is funny because most NIN fans said it was Trent selling out, etc.

GN'R, of course.


NIN's Downward is a classic, one of the best albums ever recorded, but GN'R has at least two classics, AFD and UYI I, while Lies and UYI II are great albums. NIN's Pretty Hate Machine is mediocre with 2 or 3 great songs, Fragile is good, but With Teeth is pure shit, unfortunately. And one other factor: classic GN'R were one of the best live acts ever, but NIN's live performances are not even close to that.

Does there have to be a link to them other than the fact that I love them both? :-\
You'd be surprised at the variety of stuff I listen to... rock, metal, pop, hip-hop, (not taking into account the hundreds of subgenres which fall into those four genres, which I listen to most of) a bit of alternative dance (stuff like Propellerheads and Dust Brothers) industrial dance and industrial rock (not plain old industrial, that stuff sucks... what Trent Reznor did was take a few of the ideas and place them into the format of a melodic rock song - two completely opposite things that shouldn't work, but somehow do).

I'm totally with you on that - I listen to loads of different genres.

I'm just surprised by how MANY Gn'R fans love NIN. Usually GN'R fans are pretty selective and bash other bands that aren't like GN'R. It just seems odd that so many NIN fans happen to be GN'R fans and vice versa; considering how different the bands are I'm just shocked that they get the same type of crowds listening to their music.

What?
I don't know if you've been to any Self Destruct/Fragility tours concerts(or watched videos, but NIN is in it's element in real life concert), but they don't really fall behind to anyone.
I've only been to one With Teeth tour concert and that was still pretty damn good. Ofcourse Trent is getting older, but so are Axl and Slash.

GN'R had good performances before Illusion tours, but still you can't say they were "one of the best live acts EVER", though they had their moments. But most of the Illusion and after tours were avarage or shit.

Why do you think With Teeth is shit? I think it has some great tracks, though there are a few low-points.

watch woodstock '94 and "And All That Could Have Been".

Axl Rose says he likes Nine Inch Nails = Axl Rose's asskissers like Nine Inch Nails. (Guns N' Roses fans = Axl Rose asskissers)
I don't think NIN fans really like Guns N' Roses more than any other band. (Trent Reznor hasn't said he likes Guns N' Roses)

Unfortunately I haven't got the chance to see them performing - but I've seen a lot of their live stuff. I have the DVD you mentioned above (to tell the truth it's one of their best performances), but having seen other dvds and vids on youtube, I have to say that they are not a great live band, Trent sings out of tone 70% of the time and the band often falls apart. You can say that classic GN'R had fuck-ups as well and Axl was out-of-tone a lot of times - well, we're only humans, we make mistakes while playin' (except the mighty Dream Theater band), but comparing GN'R's concert product to NIN's, there is no doubt GN'R own NIN.

Yes he has... albeit as a passing comment.

They are my two favorite bands...I couldn't say which I like better.

Yup, you hit the (nine inch) nail on the head. The only possible reason a GN'R fan would like NIN is because of Axl.  :no:

Actually, I found out about Nine Inch Nails when I heard that Robin used to play for them during press for the band's New Year show in 2001.  The reason I like NIN, is first and foremost, because I wanted to find the kind of music he played in that game.  And what I heard blew my mind.  It was so unlike anything I'd ever heard before that for a long time I didn't like it... but then I heard The Perfect Drug, and I was completely won over.  And now, I feel Nine Inch Nails are to industrial rock what Guns N' Roses were to hard rock... they are equal in their fields, and I have the utmost respect for both Axl and Trent as artists.  There are some thing's about them I don't like... for example, Trent Reznor's insistence on insulting Robin all through last year, but as artists I believe they are both top of their field.
The highlight of 2005 for me was finally being able to experience a Nine Inch Nails show, and be around for a record to be released.  The highlight of 2006 has been being able to experience Guns N' Roses in concert, and hopefully being around when their record is released.
GN'R and NIN aren't the only bands I have such a high opinion of... Tool, A Perfect Circle, Pearl Jam and Jane's Addiction are just a few of the bands I'd say are of the same quality.
GN'R might be the reason I heard of Nine Inch Nails... but they're definitely not the reason I like them.

I liked NIN before I liked GnR...

newsflash.  Robin is the lead guitarist of GNR.   Maybe you should show some respect.   

Listen i gave it a chance and i didn't like it, infact i dislike industrial but thats me..i like metal i like black sabbath, i like motley crue, i like megadeth and pantera i like hanoi rocks, etc. so obvoulsiy industrial music isn't gonna do much of anything for me...they have some good tunes but alot of its garbage, i don't think nine inch nails is one of the bands thats has an album thats is great start to finish as most bands don't...but computers in music isn't my thing, i like guitar, bass, drums and vocals when you start throwing in two keyboard players and all kinds of synth and distorted vocals it just takes away from the basics for me.
granted i have seen the wood stock 94 preformance and i was pretty impressed but like i said its just not my scene...it seems really weird to me...its seems like the people these days either like the old guns and want nothing to with the new guns and people who like the new guns more than the old and they seem to be the people who are into all the modern style music, etc.
but anyways this all just my opion. thats the beauty of music, there is a kind for every one :smoking:

If your not joking, your just being silly.

UYI II sold more copies than UYI I, both are equal and classic. GNR had 3 classic albums.

PHM is far from medicore.

well I can see some Axl qualities in Trent.  Trent is a perfectionist.  And I consider both of them to be the greatest lyricists of our time.   

both are hermits who only come out of hiding when they have to.  haha. hey its true.

Too 80s synthpop for me. Some songs sound like a 16-year old boy wrote them (I mean the music not the lyrics). Something I Can Never Have is one of my all time favourite songs, and I do like Head Like A Hole, Terrible Lie, Sin and Ringfinger, but the rest doesn't excite me.

I'd be pretty angry at you, if I didn't know what you said was true.

nine inch nails. great band. im a very different fan to the usual NIN fan. i actually enjoy the later stuff more.

Fragile is my fav, and i love with_teeth.

i still think spiral is great too, pretty hate machine is alright, but at selected times of listening.

broken ep rocks, its so damn heavy.

Wow...same exactly with me.

Happiness In Slavery and The Perfect Drug are the songs that got me to listen, and I've been a fan ever since.

Same here, actually.  I consider The Fragile to be the best record of the latter half of the 90s.

No game.

GN'R kicks NINs ass.

I hate NIN and Trent Razor.

EDIT: I mean I hate Trent Razor. The others can play, but what they play sucks. Trent Razor is just a fool who Mr T would pity.

Obviously... you don't even know his name. :P

Trent Razor whats he got to do with this?

LMAOOOO  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

such a simple mistake yet so funny

Trank Resner is the best thing that has happened to nu metal since Queen!

I'm a fan of NIN and obviously a fan of GN'R but it's really not fair to NIN to compare them to GN'R on a GN'R forum.  Plus, it's completely different styles of music, which also makes the comparison a little unfair.  Reznor or "Razor", whichever you prefer, is a genius, hands fucking down. I don't think many people with common sense can deny that, whether they enjoy the music or not.  For Christ's sake, the guy pretty much records entire NIN albums on his own and he's even a great producer, Anti-Christ Superstar probably being my favorite album he has produced anyway.  To have a GN'R VS. NIN thread though, is pretty much having a GN'R VS. Trent Reznor thread.  So maybe it would be more interesting to have an Axl VS. Trent thread??  Maybe not though, just a thought.  My favorite NIN album is Pretty Hate Machine, the debut album. That may be a little cliche to say, as MOST people say they prefer the older NIN shit to the most recent, but I just love that album.  I was only 7 when the album came out, so obviously I wasn't rocking the album when it first hit store shelves but I do remember getting The Downward Spiral when it first came out.  I have two older sisters and started out listening to pretty much what they were when I was a little kid, so thank God they had a good taste in music most of the time, because I do remember both of them having this CD as well.  So my introduction to NIN was The Downward Spiral and I remember being completely fascinated and smitten by the album.  Closer, Piggy and Hurt completely blew me away at the time and those songs and many more from that album, still blow me away to this day. At the time I had already been listening to GN'R for a few years and WASN'T nearly as fond of NIN as I was of GN'R, but I still loved that band. So to me, nothing can compare to GN'R and nothing ever will. That band has been with me for such a long time that I can't even remember times in my life when I didn't have a GN'R tape or CD.  I don't want to sound insane but Guns N' Roses in a small way, does feel like a part of me or a part of my life.  So GN'R wins the battle over NIN in my book and that's a biased opinion because I'm a GN'R fanatic, but I think most people wouldn't deny that fact either.  I honestly haven't listened to NIN for a long time now.  I bought With Teeth the first day it came out and only listened to it probably 3 or 4 times and haven't picked it up since.  I haven't listened to any other NIN albums since then either.  I've been so busy listening to so many different bands and trying to broaden my horizons as much as possible, that I just haven't had the time, on top of writing my own music everyday.  Typing this shit out and sort of reminiscing on my youth, have definitely put me in the mood for some Nails though.

I thought this was Axl Vs Trent anyway, Axl is GNR theses day, and Trent was always NIN.

Well, it didn't really say the New GN'R VS. NIN, did it?? If it did, then I stand corrected.

Ok, it doesn't matter past, or present.

Love NIN! But GNR is definetely all time favorite!!! : ok: