Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Sorry if this is dead horse but exactly how many guitarists are gonna be on this fucking thing?

Robin Finck  - current member known to have done studio work
Richard Fortus - current member known to have done studio work
Buckethead - According to Dizzy and Tommy he is still on the album
Paul Tobias - Apparently a studio musician
Bumblefoot - Even with all the denials the question still pops up
Axl Rose - Rumors years ago of him learning guitar to play rhythm, he actually plays on Madagascar in RIR3
Gary Sunshine - Appears on Oh My God
Dave Navarro - Appears on Oh My God
Chris Pitman - Current Member who apparently dabbles in guitar too
Brian May - generally accepted to be on Catcher In The Rye
Izzy Stradlin - Rumors have been flying since he played @ Hammerstein

with that many.... 3 guitarists suddenly doesn't seem like too much now does it :hihi:

Duff was their during the original sessions. Oh My God won't be on the album.

didn't Slash do some stuff early on in the project, before CD was called CD (2000 Intentions or something). Wouldn't that be a turn up for the book, if Slash appears on one of the tracks ?:nervous:

As long as the songs are good, who cares. But I would love to hear more Robin Finck stuff!  :beer:

and those are some fake ass rumors made by newbs. ....im 100% sure izzy wont be on the album..

shut up, no. ur talking about the lost album or something.


slash on CD?! OH here come some more rumors.  :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:

Dizzy plays guitar too, doesn't he? ?heh

Oh, and don't forget about Tommy.

I don't think Bumblefoot will be on CD, well not on disc 1. Bumblefoot could appear on CD2/disc2 or CD3/disc3 ?:peace:

Good question, IMHO I think just Finck & Fortus. I don't think BH will be on it, but will be credited or thanked in some way in the album credits. ?Not sure about BBF, me guesses no.

There.? The top 3 and that's it. Only possibility of others is a slight guest spot on one song from either Brian May or Paul Tobias. The rest are pretty nonsence imo

Remember the Robin Buckethead solo they performed at RIR. It was slow n'cool. It would make for good filler material on any singles that get released. Doubt they ever recorded a studio version though ?:peace:

"Official" guitar players
Robin Finck (Lead and Rythm guitar)
Richard Fortus (Lead and Rythm guitar)

Additional musicians, special guest (limited contribution)
Buckethead, Brian May (?).

Other Credits (songwriting)
Paul Tobias and Maybe Garry Sunshine

I'm expecting Buckethead to be on all the tracks  :beer:

I don't. He is said to be just an "additional" player.?

No more than 4.  Finck, Fortus, Buckethead, and possibly Brian May.  Izzy won't be on the album, similar to Ron who said that he came along too late to make the album

The other band members have said that Bucket's stuff will remain on the album.  He might well be listed as an additional player because he quit the band before the album was complete, but he'll be appearing on most if not all the songs on the album

Buckethead's been out of the band for 2 years now, hasn't he? ?Plenty of time to redo the songs/solos.


Anyway, it's just my guess he's not on it.

yeah i'm thinking there will be 4 with a guest appearance by Brian May (If CITR is even gonna be on there)

Paul, Robin, Richard and BH...and OMG will prolly not be on it (I doubt they would re-record an officially released track)

but pretty fucked up that so many possible players may be on there in a guitarists role :-\

Pasnow bith DIzzy and Tommy have confirmed he'll be on there in separate interviews last year

Dizzy said that Buckethead's parts will remain on the album, and if they weren't going to be there then the band wouldn't have hired Ron to play the live shows with them.  But the Buckethead solos on Better, IRS and TWAT were still there when they played them live.  IRS and TWAT existed before Buckethead even joined the band, so there's a good chance that there were some songs recorded from 2000 to 2004 where Buckethead plays both the lead and the solos that we haven't heard yet

That's what I think too. He reminds me Chris Verna on drums. Just someone who came and left, and that's it (parts re-recorded)
His parts may have been re-recorded....or not. I don't know. and i don't care. He is not be the guy I will care about when ChiDem is out.
Anyway, I'm impatient to hear the record : ok:

Bumblefoot is out he said he join too late.
Buckethead BBF is ou Bucket is in....he puts the album in another level. : ok:
Oh my god will not be on Chinese Democracy soGary Sunshineand Dave Navarro are out.
 Izzy Stradlin out he has nothing to do with Chinese Democracy.
Chris Pitman he is out..never heard that he can play guitar,for sure he can't play in the same level as the others guys.
Brian MayAxl said he still on the demo but he don't know if Brain will be on the final cut. ::)
Paul Tobias i think it was Paul on the demos and i belive he wrote and helped AXl to make Chinese.
So Robin Finck,Bucket Head,Fortus,Paul Huge and AXl....5 guitarists to make the monstrosity.

But obviously they haven't, since they hired another "virtuoso" type player to take his place for the live shows, and the Buckethead solos on TWAT, IRS, and Better were all there and played by Ron when they were performed live

yeah the small part Axl played on Maddy in RIR3 makes me think he'll do some stuff too but maybe just a song or 2 :-\

Don't believe everything you read!! Muahhahahahaha!!! ?:hihi:

Seriously though, I don't believe nothing until I see it. That's just me.

Buckethead might not be on the album, but his melodies better be.

Fortus (credit 13 songs), Finck (credit 12 songs), Bucket (credit 4 songs), May (credit 1 song). Thats it.

You got to be pretty drunk to belive slash have done or would be on the album.

CD in my hands in November, waited 14 years. Got to cellebrate with a new stereo and bottle of vodka.

 :beer:

You sure the vodka ain't already done for? How is anybody supposed to know the things you claim.

Claim? everybody here claim things... Belive what you want.

Iam sure about the vodka. Pilsner Urquell tonight.

IF Richard and/or Robin re-recorded Buckethead's parts (even some of his parts), they wouldn't say it. They would deny. remember when "IRS" was leaked in 2003 (Thrunk), Fortus said He never heard about that song (of course he did in fact!). he said something like "No, no, that song doesn't exist". He was lying intentionaly, to shut down the rumour. That's it. It might be the same for the Buckethead's parts, they might say "no, no i didn't re-record anything" to avoid the rumour to spread all over the Internet. But NOBODY knows what happened between 2004 (BH depearture) and mid-2006 (Start of the Tour).
Many things might have happened. We don't know.

for once nesquick i'm in agreeance with ya...bbf was rumored shortly after BH's departure so untill i read it in the liners i'm not believing what he says about his involvement on the album :hihi: no offense to Ron of course :peace: but he may have been in the band since 2004

dude BG spent ?4 years in GNR
he is not that Chris Vrenna that hang out with the band 2 weeks..
he completely change musically GNR.. he take it to another level.. a level that you dont like, but that doesnt make it bad...

Neemo, IF someone re-recorded the BH's parts, it would be either Richard Fortus, or Robin Finck. Not BBF.

Yeah sure we know nothing about the album we can just have ideias..
About the vodka GreyGoose,Stolichnaya or Absolut Vanila HuH ?! :smoking:

If someone can re recorded BH parts it would be BBF IMO.
Fortus can play fast but not fast as Bucket...

Are you sure about that?

well we can still disagree on that point (KIKO knows where I'm coming from) but i DO agree that sufficient time has passed for BH to be removed...but has he been? we'll have to wait and see.

If Buckethead's parts had been removed or re-recorded, they wouldn't have hired Ron, simple as that.  They'd have either Finck or Fortus play the re-recorded parts.  They wouldn't have Ron playing the Buckethead solos live if Richard or Robin had re-recorded his parts on the album, that doesn't make sense

Well, according to people promoting Paul Tobias' band - Mank Rage - Paul is still a studio member.  They didn't elaborate if he was just helping out with mixing, or engineering or something or whether he was still recording parts for the album... but they made it clear, Paul is still working with Axl.

Pretty much why Paul is not in the band is because he doesn't enjoy touring.

And he saved GNR. It would not exist without him. Hail him.

Good ones:Stolichnaya or Absolut Vanila

Were not really going to have a clue until its released

spot on

 ???

Blind speculation says that Robin, Richard and Axl will be the guitarists most prominent in the album - with Buckethead and Paul Tobias having parts on a couple of songs each.
I highly doubt Brian May's part in Catcher In The Rye will remain... it's probably been recorded by Robin.

Source?

Source? ?When did you need a source for blind speculation? : ok:

axl's trunk interview certainly made it sound like may's part(s) have been (or would have been, at that point) rerecorded.

I hope/guess Finck+Fortus+Buckethead only.  :drool:

Question.... if given infinite recording time to do so... could Finck or Fortus re-record Buckethead's solos perfectly? If so, I can see those two guys handling ALL (with the exception of Axl strumming a string here or there) of the actual recorded guitar work on Chinese Democracy- and Buckethead only getting "writing" credits. Meanwhile, I think it's reasonable to conclude that BBF is merely the "live" guy for now- like Gilby was during the UYI tour. So put me down for:

Robin Finck
Richard Fortus
Axl Rose (rhythm on a track or two)

I'm actually hoping that's how it turns out.

Re-recording his parts exactly as he wrote them serves no purpose because he still has to get paid as a songwriter.  There's no point in just re-recording his parts and then still having to give him credit for co-writing the song and paying him royalty checks.  This isn't the same situation as Gilby re-recording Izzy's parts on TSI because they were cover songs and Izzy didn't get paid for the album sales

The could have deleted and re-written all of Buckethead's parts and then he wouldn't get paid besides whatever his salary for studio time was, but we've already seen evidence that this isn't the case.  For one, it's been confirmed by at least one band member that Buckethead's parts will remain on the album.  And if Bucket's parts had been axed and re-written by Finck and Fortus there would be no reason for Ron to be in the band.  It isn't a coincidence that Ron is in the band and playing the Buckethead solos from IRS, Better and the few times they played TWAT.  If they'd deleted his parts and Finck and Fortus rewrote and recorded them, then Finck and Fortus would be playing the parts live and Ron wouldn't have been hired

Interesting read. Thanks. It's a pity that things didn't work out with Bucket. I think it's going to be rather inconvenient when the real "WOW" guitar work on the album is done by a guy no longer in the band. Would Slash be the god that he is if it was Tracii Guns, and not him, on Appetite For Destruction?

I hear ya.  I'm just happy that Buckethead's stuff is staying on the album.  His solos were highlights on IRS and TWAT, I'm looking forward to hearing songs he had a heavier hand in writing.  Because many of the new songs we've heard were initially written before he joined the band like IRS, TWAT, The Blues, Chinese Democracy, Oh My God, and CITR.  I wish that Buckethead would've stayed in the band, I think Ron's a brilliant player in his own right and is a really cool dude but Buckethead really added another dimension with his solos like on Nightrain and Ron just doesn't hit the solos on IRS and Better the way Buckethead would not to mention the little bridges and sound effects Bucket does on Better

approximately six thousand guitarists have worked on Chinese Democracy.

Yes. Especally Fortus. Wouldn't take long in the studio.

Im not saying I want that to happen.. just that its really not difficult.

Bucket, Richard Fortus, Robin Finck.  Possibly Brian May and Axl is a far stretch.
Just a guess.

I'm with you 100% Shotgunblues, Buckets playing did add a whole new dimension to the sound. I really don't think it's as simple as 'oh get this guy into re-do Buckets shit', his style is so unique I don't believe it can be replicated perfectly (i.e. Ron's attempt at the TWAT solo, sorry Ron but it's just not the same!).

Just for fun they could slip one of those extra unlisted tracks onto the end of the album (as they did with TSI). featuring a raw sounding track from 10+ years ago using material from all the people that came and went and never made it onto the official CD

It's a joke? Sorry but Fortus is very avarage guitarist. I hope he is not on CD.

Buckethead parts need to stay at the album. Ron said he didn't re-recorded them. and I really hope that they stay, Richard and Robin are good players but they can't do solos even close to Buckethead, look at Inland Invasion Madagascar... Richard can play it but I'm crying when I remember Buckethead's amazing playing during 01/02 :drool:

Lmao  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: funniest post of the year.

How many guitarists are gonna be on Chinese Democracy?

Know one really knows and more than one for sure? : ok:

I would guess that Finck, Fortus and Bucket are definates and will appear on all tracks (perhaps exclude Bucket from the Blues). I would then think it's possible Paul Tobias is on a track or 2 but I wouldn't be surprised if he's not, the only other likely one is Brian May who may be on a track as a guest. So my guess is a minimum of 3 guitarists and the max between 5-6.

Maybe Axl laid down some vocals to music laid down by Zack Wylde

I said this months ago, but I'll say it again: I think a large prtion of the guitar work on CD will be from Finck, Buckethead, and Paul Huge, with minor contributions from Fortus. Of course with the possibility of Brian May(or someone else) being on a track or two.

yeah i forgot about you saying that...just cuz Fortus is the current tour man has recorded we assume that he is gonna be a major part of the album...but it doesn't have to be the case. Here is the email richard sent regarding his recording sessions...


the word details doesn't exactly strike me as major recording of full songs :-\ and then there is this which pretty much shows James has hit the nail on the head with his assumption i think

Also, when IRS originally leaked, Fortus knew nothing about the song.

To be honest, I would not be shocked if Huge was still in the band, but just isn't a touring member of the band.

I would be shocked if this was the case.

why? paul is apparently a very close freind and confidante of axl...why would his continued involvement be a surprise?

Why the shock? Huge was never fired from the band. He was reluctant to tour, so Fortus was brought in. I would be more shocked if Fortus was on the record then I would be if Huge was on the record. We know that a good sized portion of material was recorded with huge. Only thing we know that Fortus was involved in recording is some interludes. All signs point in the direction of Huge being a bigger contributor to CD. I dont understand why certain people are so against that.

Remember when the demos leaked and people were saying how Fortus "owned" the songs? On the Trunk interview, Axl said something like"They think they know who's on those songs, but they dont have a clue"(I'm paraphrasing).

Who do you think he was referring to when he made those comments?

by details, I'm sure he doesnt mean his guitar. By now, Richard has been in the band for 4 years. He is gonna be on all the songs. Why the fuck would he stick around for 4 years to just play Paul's parts. Thats just ridiculous. Listen to the '99 version of I.R.S then listen to the leaked one, you can defintely tell thats Fortus' guitar and not Paul's.

He was probably referring to Slash since the rumour was that he was back in the band around that time.  He was talking about how some people didnt like certain members that were in the band (Robin), so they would say that someone else was playing on the song. Probably talking about Slash.

Rembember, Robin wasnt very popular among the fanbase until this recent tour.

 :o :rofl:

You're grasping at straws if you think he was referring to Slash. ::) Not one person on this earth ever said Slash "owned" those Chinese Democracy demos.

I bet the only answer that can be true is.

More than 1

yeah i doubt very much he was referrig to slash...i think it was more directed at people (like me) who didn;t care for Robin but loved Better, which axl has said is a Robin song...

we can't claim eto know how old the songs are or who is on them cuz we have no friggin clue until we see the liner notes

and that email is from the time when he went in and recorded...of course he's talking about his sessions...fills and what no most likely to suit Axl's vocals and stuff

@ BassLikeHot....i knew somebody would post what you typed ::)

Apparently, you missed this....

"Official" guitar players (will play on all the record):
Robin Finck (Lead and Rythm guitar)
Richard Fortus (Lead and Rythm guitar)

Additional musicians, special guest (will just appear on a couple of tracks):
Buckethead, Brian May.

Other Credits (won't appear on the album): AS HE DID WITH MATT SORUM in UYI
Bumblefoot.

OUT - Paul Tobias and Maybe Garry Sunshine

Here is what Axl said on the press release in August of 2002:

"Basically, Richard?s the guy that we always were looking for. I think that we?ll go on to write some very interesting things with Richard and he?s already done some rhythm work and some leads on the album.?

That was back when he first joined the band, if you think that he hasnt done more since then and is just playing Paul's parts live, then your just ridiculous. It would be a waste of both talent and time if he were to do that.

Actually I didnt miss that. Obviously hes gonna say that when someone emails him when it was said that the song was played on the Trunk show and no one had any evidence. So he was just trying to shoot it down.

Remember the Trunk leak came like 2 years after it happened.

Well, I remember all the rumours from around the time of the Trunk show. People were saying Velvet Revolver has been broken up since late '05 and Slash has been back in Guns since then and he has recorded parts for Chinese Democracy. Thats how he's heard the album. Slash was supposed to be at Rio and all that shit. Those were all the rumours flying around at that time.

I never said he was on those demos. Those demos are from 4 years ago. If Slash were to be on CD like everyone was saying, we wouldnt have heard it from those demos.

That's what I think too. I hope they've kicked the Bucket out of most of the songs.

In another post from this topic, someone said Duff was there when they started working on 'Oh My God' ?

I never knew that ... Can anybody confirm or deny that ?

Duff quit in 1997 after Finck and Vrenna were doing stuff...Duff on the subject in 1999

i aslo have the feeling that we won't hear Buckethead on CD
I wouldn't be surprised if they redid his parts

I'm gonna quote myself from ROV because I'm too lazy to type another response...

I can't fathom what sense it makes to include Buckethead on the album.  He's been out of the band forever.  It'd be like putting Tracii Guns on Appetite For Destruction.

And of course, Buckethead is talented and would make the album unbelievable, but to me it doesn't make sense to put him on there.  I'm of the opinion that Ron may have re-recorded Bucket's parts.  I have a hunch he's been in the band ever since the rumours flew almost 3 years ago.  Not to discredit anyone in GNR, but they really haven't provided straight information on Chinese Democracy, or anything else for that matter, so I take what they say with a grain of salt.  I'm not going to pick and choose who I believe in the band.  Instead, I'm going by what makes the most sense to me.  And what makes sense to me is that Buckethead's parts are long gone (the melodies may remain, and he might get writing credits for some guitar parts, but as for his guitar itself, I think it's gone).  Also, I think that Axl would be smart enough to keep Buckethead's parts off the album (unless credit and compensation is given) to avoid any legal complications that could result from the Buckethead camp.

The only one I'll say with 95% confidence is that Robin Finck's guitar will be on this album.  It's really going to be something to get to read those liner notes to find out everything.

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It's odd that for some people it's either buckethead or bumblefoot, either bumblefoot or buckethead.... you guys are out of context. you always forget the two most important ones: The 2 RF. If (I say if) someone recorded the Buckethead parts, it's either Richard, or Robin or both.
I mean... why Bumblefoot would lie about it? He said numerous times he did not record anything. If he did he wouldn't have said "No", he would have said something like "I can't speak about that, sorry", or "I'm not allowed to talk about that".
You still have a lot to learn about the "diplomatic" language in GN'R... :hihi:

I believe Ron when he says he didn't record anything.? I don't see why he should lie. He is telling the truth.

Paul Huge , Robin Finck and of course ?Buckethead : ok:

i agree, why would he lie about something like that?

i think it would be too messy to take out bucketheads parts, i mean he might have been behind some of the melodies and stuff too and it would take away from the record and would be soo complicated to redo all that shit.

i dont want to say anything definitive and get flamed, but if i had a ?gun to my head i would say buckets parts are still on the record. i really believe they are.

The general public thinks of this band as Axl and friends so I think he'll be able to get away with leaving Bucket's parts on the album. If Buckets parts are as good as they are on TWAT than Axl would be a fool to get rid of them. I don't know if this band will ever be truly accepted as GnR but I think they'll be viewed as a breath of fresh air and a kick ass band in their own right. This band is not like the Yardbirds becoming Led Zeppelin, it's like Led Zeppelin becoming Led Zeppelin 2.0 with robert Plant and a bunch of new guys.

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Ya I think we will hear Buckethead.   Why not?

They arnt going to just go and write all his spots over again.   Why?  Just because he isnt in the band?? 

And if they keep the same guitar tracks, just have bumblefoot redo them, they are still Bucketheads.  They will have to give him a writting credit.

But who knows..     Mabey any work that any band memember has done is the sole property of guns n roses?   Mabey Axl makes them sign there rights away and just pays them for there music, flat out.   

Then Buckethead could have written lots of shit, but then they could just get someone to play what he wrote and give him no credit for it.   

I guess we wont know until we read the linear notes

Think about one thing:

---> We never had a clear answer about that.
---> I've never heard Mysteron denying/confirming anything about that. He keeps quiet.

People still asking this question and still opening topics about that because we never had a clear answer. neither from the "insiders", nor from the Management. There's still quite a lot of mystery for sure. Axl has the key of the House.

I think I know, but I really have no idea.

Same for us all.

Well that pretty much settles that Richard is on the albums in a big way.

Don't be surprised if we hear Axl playing guitar on one of the songs, probably something we haven't heard just yet!

Richard Fortus has done lots of studio recordings since 2002. Lead and Rythm.

I think we will hear Big Bs parts on the record. ?He was an important part of the recording process and I can't imagine Axl putting Ron in there just to replace Buckets parts if this CD is just around the corner.

How many people after hearing the new album loving Bucket's work would want to go see them when bucket himself has alredy been replaced?  :-\

I guess it's so far beyond that point it doesn't even matter anymore.

Sorry....but not "everybody" love his work on the new songs...

That wasn't my point.

Not to sound sarcastic, but I don't think it'll be very many people at all. ?We are talking about a mythical album about to be released.

The people that won't listen to CD because Buckets not with the band have already made that decision. ?These are the same people who cared about GNR only because B was in the band.

At this point wouldn't it be great, if the answer was none, and the album was just Axl on his piano.

You mean you don't like Buckethead? ?I thought you loved the guy?

has richard re-recorded paul huge parts?

kinda what we've been discussing :hihi:

i have to agree with thorazine people haven't been following the ups and downs of the gnr membership so to the average guy B will just be a guest on the album not a member :peace:

Poassibly some.

But I have a feeling that Paul himself will be on the album here and there.

someone over mygnr sent a pm to bbf in myspace, and bbf said that he was rehearsing, recording, and another thing i dont remember, maybe he is rerecording BH parts

Paul, Brian May, and Duff all there during the original recording, will have had their parts re-done by the current band.

Just because you wish it to be true doesn't make it a fact.

He said it in his e-mails.

I personally would prefer that the actual musicians in the live touring band would be on the official record.  Maybe Paul Huge is a non touring member, how can we tell for sure.

i think that bucket's parts might not be on cd. i mean not played by him. they might've re-recorded his solos with finck and fortus (to all people saying those 2 can't play that fast, fortus sayd in an e-mail that they could play buckets parts every note). but the reason why i think they re-did bucket's recordings has been mentioned by maoaxl 2-3 pages back: "they want to have the current band members on cd. would slash be where he is today if tracii's parts were on appetite?" i'm not saying they did re-record bucket but they might have.
as far as the other guitar players on the album, we'll find out about it in the novel with credits and thanks that will accompany the cd

Actually that's why i started this thread Mr Redfield apparently got an email from the Mank Rage Myspace (Paul Tobias' band) last week and it said


and like most people, i had thought that Richard had redone all Paul's parts but if he is a studio musician for GnR, then chances are, he has some material on the album as well, but now richard info is coming out that i either missed or overlooked that points to alot of Richard material on the album as well.

To me, right now, it is totally plausible that we wil see Buckethead, Robin, Paul, Richard, Axl and Brian May on the record...that is just insane :o

(and on top of that, if they use the End Of Days version of OMG then we can add Gary Sunshine and Dave Navarro to that list, most of us think that OMG will not make the cut but none of us know for sure, for sure :-\ )

are you implying brian may was in the band? he was not. he was a guest only. theres no real reason for his parts to be redone. he is BRIAN MAY.

and duffs stuff is prolly locked in the vault, with all the slash and izzy shit from  the mid ninetys

It's just at this point almost all of the 3 cd's have been completed or are close to completion.  What can Huge contribute if he was still a member of the band?  Fortus has been in the band long enough to mark his tatoo on CD.

All band members have admitted that the majority of the music was completed YEARS ago. Paul Huge has been in the band since 1994. Who is likely to have made the bigger impact: The guy there since the disintegration of old GNR and the creation of new GNR, or the guy who joined because he didn't want to tour? Simple logic will lead you to the correct answer.

yeah.... i doubt fortus did much lead work on the album.....





people who claimed buckethead wrote better for example..... : ok:    i still remember how people said bucket wrote it because of the robotic flow the riff and the song in general has... and how big of a loss his departure is because he was the main part in the writing process....  don?t get me wrong, i`m a big fan of bucket and his contributions to gnr (which i heard....), but he was never as important as some people would like him to be...  or at least as important as some people seem to would like him to be...

i was seriously happy to hear axl himself say that robin wrote better....  and that`s just one of his major contributions to the cd. i`m sure about that.

Yeah, Axl probably meant Buckethead to shut some mouth up like "To all the BH cocksuckers, Robin wrote it, not Buckethead".

erm...surely no1 joins a band BECAUSE they DO NOT want to tour?!

either way, you seem to be describing the same guy. huge was there in the transitional period you mention, and he didnt want to tour.

erm erm... i think he means FORTUS joined because HUGE didn't want to tour.

Huge may be just a permanent writer and helped Axl to arrange the songs. That doesn't mean he recorded everything or that his recorded tracks will still be on the album. I remember Richard said something about being in studio since 2002, so I don't think he only recorded interludes.

I think there's a big chance to hear both of them on the album.

And Brian May guest appearence isn't set on stone. As far as I remember, Axl said he may be missing on the final version of the album.

I hope he still is on. I've always wanted this colaboration on a recording.

But there are probably those that hope Shaq's guest spot remains as well  :-\

I hope Brian May will be on the record. I like his solo on Catcher in the Rye, I love the tone, very "Brian Mayish" :P
Guns N' Roses and Queen have always been friends, they share many fans (I'm among them). :beer:

Musically speaking, there's a great chemistry between him and Axl. Just look at the Freddy Mercury's Tribute.

i want to hear the original version with finck on lead guitar and the version with may properly mixed etc....   in general, there`s tons of new gnr studio stuff i wanna hear  :hihi:

Yeah Brian tone is unique and beatifull...
At this point and what AXL said on the Trunk interview i belive Finck re recorded Brian parts. :-\
I hope Brian make the final cut.

tommy said CD was the collaboration of 8 musicians. I thought richard but maybe he meant paul then?


Let me nitpick, james.  :P I think it was "they know what's going on but actually they don't have a clue" was on the radio interview
and he was referring to better at Hammerstein when he talked about the knowitalls who think they know who's on those songs. And most people in here were praising just axl or bh when better leaked. "wow what a phenomenal solo, axl is a fucking genius!"

The best tone I have ever heard is the David Gilmour one.
One word: Purity 

All I was saying is that he played on a few songs almost a decade ago, that the songs will be different if we ever here them.

27 guitar players on CD last I heard. :hihi:

Approximately 1,043.

Or 13.

Or five.

Or 100.

Or we don't know because no one knows how many people have worked on this album and nobody knows which tracks are going to be included on the finished product.

Maybe U2 could borrow some of 'em ? Could be usefull.

I don't think Huge is going to be on the record. His parts probably done by Richard. He's a far better player than Paul. It would be stupid not to use him in the studio.

Or maybe U2 don't feel the need to have a dick-measuring contest.

Maybe they're perfectly content being U2.  ???

Wow, what a thought.

But if they did have a dick measuring contest, I wonder who'd have The Edge.

(ba dum bum tschhhh)  :peace:

And on-topic, I would have thought Bumblefoot would have rerecorded Bucket's guitar parts, but he has said himself that he's not on the album. In that case I'd expect that those parts may have been reworked by Richard and Robin. I will be quite surprised if Bucket is still featured on the album in any great capacity.

It would be a big shame not to use Brian May's contribution.

Not Bono.

There's no way in hell they re-recorded Bucket's parts with Robin and Fortus. BBF already said he hasn't done any recording.

We heard IRS without Bucket and TWAT without Bucket and I think I speak for everyone when I say his solos added a lot more to those songs. TWAT from '99 has good vocals but the solo is weak - Robin's is great as a lead-in to Bucket's but with JUST Robin's on there, it is lacking something.

No. Speak for you. I don't miss Buckethead at all. Never did, and never will.

erm, erm, erm...on reflection it seems you're probably right.

Yes I def. do miss Buckethead. Love the new lineup with Bumblefoot, but the new songs live are DEF. missing something without Buckethead's playing.  I just hope Buckethead's parts STAY on every song.

You're the only person I've ever talked to who thinks those demos are better without his solos.

Admit it, your prejudice against him is blinding you. Those solos are incredible. I used to hate the Bucket, too. Doesn't mean I can't acknowledge how talented a musician he is.

His outros IMO added much, much more to TWAT and IRS.

I don't like either version of IRS really.  However, I do like how they incorporated the solo from the 99 version and the Buckethead solo into the one song, making it longer.  Thats the version I wanna hear with both solos in it. 

man, if GN'R play a gig near from your home, buy a ticket and go to the show. IRS is a monster Rock track. You need to hear it live to realize how good it is.

have anyone mentioned Billy Howerdell? Dident he recorde some tracks for GnR back in 1998/1999 ?

All I hope for is lots and lots of cool interesting guitar tones/parts/ideas/etc.

I think it would be kind of cool to have all these random extra guys in there adding a little color here and there. Keep the sound interesting. Bringing in a guest to add something sometimes gives you ideas or a point of view you never would have thought of. Think of it this way, whatever the final Chinese Democracy ends up being, it got there because of all the people who were involved whether or not they make it to the album. Music is a journey and every step along the way colors that journey.

Look at Gov't Mule. When Allen Woody died they started gigging and recording with all these awesome and varied bass players, each one coloring the vibe of the band in a different way and leading them into different directions. It was awesome.

Thats what I'm talking about.  I like the live version with the more guitar solos rather than the two demo tracks.  I think the live version rocks out more.  Also... I'm going next month to see them in Baltimore.   :smoking:

"Killer screams, killer guitar riffs..."

Sebastian Bach! Wo0o0o

Did Izzy Stradlin really say that about Finck?

Lol.. I should really change that sig... It's not Izzy Stradlin. Click on the link in the signature! It's Izzy.. one of the members of the board. =D.

I've gotten a bunch of PM's about that.. I think I'll change it..  : ok:

Nevermind Nesquick.  He's a broken record and hates everything about Buckethead.  You may notice that no one here agrees 99.9% of what he says

i'm not a big fan of shredding and thus probably prefer the non-bucket versions. either way, i'll be thrilled to have a finished CD though.

Speak for yourself, I'm happy the Bucket's gone. Fucking happy.

I never liked the idea of that guy being in the band. Enough circus.

Out of the two IRS demos.. I definitly prefer the '99 version.

The sound.. is so much.. more 70's sounding. It has a much better vibe/feel to it. And the sirens rule! I hope they make the final version (but I doubt it I guess.. seeing as the live version doesn't have it)

In the end..  I think the mix and vibe of the record will be much more important than any guitarist on it. (This is something I think most people forget so I bolded it)

I don't even like the TWAT solo very much (Finck or Bucket's.) It's cool.. but it doesnt strike any emotion inside of me. It's just there. Tone isn't right...

Pretty sure its just the mix though...