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as in reaching vocal range...

No way.

no, but i hope axl can still rock like robert when he reaches his age!

Ugh, I hate listening to Robert Plant try to sing high on In Through the Out Door.  I'm glad he mostly sticks to his normal old man voice on everything after that album. 

Anyway, I always thought that Robert could go higher than Axl until I heard 2001 and beyond, especially the end of TWAT. 

i opened for robert plant last year and i was pretty blown away by his vocal range. i think he may be in better shape than Axl, not that Axl is in a bad shape, but robert is pretty flawless live. and fuckin impressive. and overall the nicest person ever.

Can he go higher than Axl?  Most likely not.

Is he a better vocalist than Axl?  Most definately.

not sure 'bout it, axl is pretty damn good, but plant might be moore subtile and perfect in his singen, two awsome vocalists thats for sure.

Do you mean in their primes or right now? In their primes, I'd say Plant could go higher ("The Ocean" is a perfect example). Right now, I'd say Axl's got a slight edge on him. But Plant is still a great, great singer especially at his age.

Plant has lost some of his high range from back in teh Zep days but his voice sounds fuller and has a nice gravel in it now. Actually, Dreamland might have some of the best vocals ever on it. I didn't used to like plants voice but his older voice has a much more ..... complex tone to it. He's also got great pitch and does a lot of subtle things.

Right now for rock music Plant may have the best voice going. If you don't pay close attention to the vocals you'll miss a lot of what he's doing on dreamland because it's so subtle. Axl can not touch plant on technique, note for note, Axl can hit higher notes at this point in time.

i dont think he can

but Freddie Mercury could

That's an informed opinion mcalldp. Does he sing in many different tones like axl does?
I'm not keen on solo acts in general that I wasn't attentive.

I must check "ocean" but I guess axl can go higher as well as lower.

I would say when both were in their prime Robert Plant could go higher than Axl.  Listen to old Zepplin albums.

did he hit the top F#?
BTW, an excessive range doesn't mean a good singer.

He did, and LZ never tuned down 1/2 step. I think he actually might have a top A on the 1st Zeppelin album, although that's unconfirmed until I actually check it. He does not have the variety of timbres that Axl has, but that is because his register shifts are much more even. Btw, The Ocean is not a great example - he had lost some of his range by that time, and could not project in high register like he did on the 1st 4 albums - somewhat like Axl's transition between AFD and UYI, although he managed to hit some very high notes by lowering his intensity - similar to Axl's 2002 technique.

They are both great singers with freak of nature ranges, and a lot of power in their upper register. Plant basically pioneered the approach that has been used by Axl, Shannon Hoon, Chris Cornell, etc. so he deserves some credit for that, as well as managing to keep his voice in shape after recording and touring for this many years.

All I know is that their range is pretty close, and  I think they are the two greatest hard rock singers of all time.  Axl changes octaves to hit the high notes, not sure if plant has to do that or not.  I am bias and prefer axl. 

Not sure what you mean by changing octaves - maybe you mean registers? A high is a high C. If you change the octave, it's no longer high C; it's middle C.

Incidentally, not that you care, but your username makes it virtually impossible for me to respect your opinions.

I don't f**ckin' think so! Overated yes.

What the hell is this? I thought Robert Plant had passed away a few years ago.  ???

/Sign.

However, lets not start comparing Zepplin to GN'R. That conversation can go nowhere but down.

you're right I don't care. ?Nor am I singing expert, so I don't know if going to a "falseto" type voice on the high notes is changing octaves or registers...please enlighten me on that subject.

nope. you're probably thinking of Robert Palmer.

Does it really matter who sings higher, or who can, cannot. As long as you can use your voice effective in some way or another, making a nice tune: all is good.

No

You make a good point. It's interesting to compare them because they have similar techniques, but bottom line, they are both great - neither needs to be criticized to make the other one look good.

can you tell me about octave vs register? I actually would like to know.

Western music uses the half step as the smallest unit of measure - a 1/2 step is the difference between F, and F#, B and C, etc. There are 12 1/2 steps in an octave. Therefore, once you travel up 12 1/2 steps, you are an octave higher than you were before, adn the notes begin again, whether you're playing piano, guitar, singing, or playing any other instrument. For example, if you start with C, the progression of 1/2 steps goes as follows: C, C#, D, D#, E, F, F#, G, G#, A, A#, B, C - from there it repeats.

The term register refers, in a general sense, to whether you are in a low or high octave, and as a sub-definition to which part of a singers range is being used at a given time. Popular terms to describe low and high register are chest(low) and head(high). It's a given that if a male singer is reaching the E above high C, as Plant and Axl have both done fairly often, they are almost always in their head voice. Therefore, they both change octaves often, and in doing so, switch from one register to the other. Is that sufficiently enlightening for you?

Perfect, sarcasm aside...thanks for the info!

How can you even get this confused?

Back in the day I would say Robert Plant for sure....But I just saw him a few years ago and frankly from what I have heard he has lost a lot of his voice.

Plant all the way.

You're right, my bad.  :beer:

Of course "The Ocean" isn't an example of high and powerful. He sounds like he's on HELIUM during that song. But it is HIGHER than anything Axl has ever done in a studio recording as far as I've heard. I'd say you're absolutely right about Plant's voice on the first four Zeppelin albums. I think a big reason he started losing it was that he didn't warm up properly before each show during all the touring they did (or so I've read/heard). I'd say Axl probably had greater range because of songs like "It's So Easy" where he goes really deep and then ends up really high and powerful.

robert plant could write better, and when i say better, i mean about more than just a few things over and over again, which axl did and nailed the shit out of

Actually, Robert Plant wrote some of the strangest lyrics ever. While some of his peers were writing pretty meaningful stuff, he wrote things that SOUNDED meaningful ("Stairway To Heaven") but really weren't. All in all, he wrote some pretty silly stuff, but it certainly is/was entertaining to pretty much everyone in the rock world. And before everyone gets bent out of shape over this, I'll just say that Led Zeppelin is my favorite band ever (ahead of GN'R even), but Axl is probably my favorite singer ever with Plant a close second.

Robert Plant. like Zep, is a force of nature and is beyond questioning. No ZEP=No Aerosmith=No Guns.

Now, check out the climactic scream on "How Many More Times" on Zep 1 and the one on "Since I've Been Loving You", Zep III. Plant wins.

Rose is my favorite, however. Not because he screams real high, but because he took Plant's innovation, and made his own mad art that has made him an icon.

Oh yeah, and Mercury's voice is better than both put together. IMO.

Peace,

I've never paid attention to Plant post Zeppelin but the few songs I've heard on the radio; but in their heydays, plant, but trying to sing AFD karyoke ain't no fucking picnic if you ever tried :-[

It kinda depends on the song or the live show you listen to.  It's to close to call for me. 

Freedie Mercury is better than Robert Plant

no one person sings the same.and axl has that down packed singing.axl is unique in his vocals.deep, high he has it all right down to the nitty gritty.perfect voice every note on time.at least mostly unless intoxicated.then ranges more different sounding.while intoxicated but great none the less.am i right or not.

axl is better then plant