Here Today... Gone To Hell!

As far as I concerned the Illusions doen't have any fillers except maybe My Word.  I love each song on both albums...everysong has been my fav. at some point! I don't know how Axl can out do those albums, but i'v allways believed he can.  IRS,blues and maddy is a good start, even oh my god has potential but its  Better thats by far my fav. of new gnr tunes.... if cd is full of songs as good as it i'll be totally floored!!) Heres to hoping for C.D in 06.  :peace:

I do agree (I think My World is just something Axl put for a bit of fun at the end).

Apart from My World, it would be a shame not to have heard all of those other songs. They were all worth putting out on those albums.

True, I dont think it has any fillers and I dont think of My World as a filler more as a Bonus Track

Good call!!  :yes:  : ok:

Bingo. I hate when people say that songs like Bad Apples are filler. I love Bad Apples ?;D, and I'm damn pleased that it made the album. The only switch should've been My World for Crash Diet.

Ya Crash Diet is a great song, I wish they hadent forgoten about it when they made the picks.  Not only were there no filler on UYI but clearly there were a buncha great songs that coulda been put on it.  Mbe one day they'll release them.  Assuming Axl hasn't destroyed any of them.  :D

Shotgun blues

shotgun blues, get in the ring, so fine on UYI 2 for sure

Shotgun blues, get in the ring, so fine are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. AFD: Anything Goes and Think About You. out ta get me I've never really cared for either.

I agree: No filler at all. My World is  not a real song and does not count. We should hope that CD is as strong.

I completely agree with you about ''Shotgun Blues'', more or less with ''So Fine'' but definitly ''Get In The Ring'' is one of the best tracks on Use Your Illusion II

for me there are no fillers in uyi. there are some songs that i like less than others, but they're still great to me. the worst songs on uyi are 100 times better than the best songs on contraband

Come on, you just like Get in the ring for the rant like everyone else, admit it. :hihi:

The song is only good for drunk sing alongs.

You people dont like Shotgun Blues!? I guess thats what makes UYI 1&2 so great. One mans trash is another mans treasure. I dont like Bad Apples but some people love it.

100 times better?
Did you see them  live?

I could live without GITR, Shotgun Blues, So Fine. Then again, one man's filler is another's favorite song. I think some of the UYI songs probably were written to take up album space, though.

You Ain't The First and Get In The Ring, and of course My World, are all songs that could be called filler

I really like Get In The Ring and shotgun blues I listen to them more than November rain or yesterdays

Agreed

although i like so fine live when axl screams 'when i look right up at right and see what's darkness, ya i see the stars are bright I WANNA REACH UP AND GRAB ONE FOR YOU'

that rocks.... but duff shouldn't be allowed in front of a mic let alone lead vocals on a gnr album

So Fine would've been a good song if Axl had sung it.  Duff's vocals are So Bad :no:

I agree that I like all the songs.  But some more than others.  Now to shift to UYI 1, you could say You Ain't The First, BoB and Bad Apples could be filler.  Great songs, but they miss the mark of hit singles.  But GN'R's filler would go platinum on someone elses album.

So Fine is garbage and so is you aint the first...just another sunday and bring it back home should have replaced them...and dont forget aint goin down which was mixed yet never released..thank god for bootleg demos and rough mixes......

KOHD
You could be mine
Civil War
Don't cry
Coma
Estranged
November Rain
Yesterdays


These are "filler" songs guys!!! ;D

I'll take "my world", "so fine", "shotgun blues", and "you ain't the first" any day of the fucking week.  You people have lost your minds!!! :P

They couldn't because that would have meant that most of their songs are covers, and that wouldnt work too well.

I really wouldn't have cared if I never heard Shotgun Blues... and I don't care if I ever hear it again!

Well I like all of the songs on the Illusion albums,the onlt fillers I can think of are You Ain't The First and My World,other than that all of the other songs are cool :peace:

woah now. You aint the first and so fine are classics..... im sorry but the only songs id take off are

My world..
Bad Apples...
Shotgun Blues..

Thats it...

UYI was an under rated release... well both of them.... great songs... nowadays its hard to find CDS with more than two good songs...

Example.. VR Slither and Fall to Pieces. thats it. Wow for a MEGA rock band thats a weak number. two. lol

Bad Apples is not filler,it's a fuckin' awesome song,My World is filler,You Ain't The First is filler :peace:

I tried so hard just to get through to you... but your heads so far from the realness of truth.....

good tune man.. lyrics.. lyricsssss

So goooodbye to you girl.. so long.. farwell.... i cant hear you cryin, your jiven's been helll... soo look for me walkin, down your streets at night.. ill be in with another......

DEEP DOWN INSIDEe....

Well we all have our own opinions on what's filler and what's not,so it's all cool,I mean to be honest all of the songs sound ok on the album,and if they rereleased the albums without the songs that we all call filler we would all miss them,no matter what anyone says :peace:

i think that there are no fillers on the uyi albums. i tend to listen to shotgun blues less but that doesn't make it a filler. and i think everybody would've liked to hear crash diet and ain't goin down on those albums.

You Ain't The First sounds like the only filler to me.

To me that sounds like a song Izzy wrote for himself and Gn'R decided to go with it.  It never had that Gn'R feel to me.

to me filler on a gnr message board comes down to the most songs people seem to dislike..

My world of course is the one that gets the most shit.. Then maybe so fine.. You ain't the first kind of has that LIES vibe..  Never that into shotgun blues.. To be honest with the exception of my world each illusions song excelled in some mano, when I didn't like the vocals the guitar fucking still rocked so there are always parts I liked..

No fillers? Um... 2 versions of don't cry?

Slither is like the worst song on that CD.

My World, You ain't the first, So Fine, Dont Cry Alt. Lyrics.

I think half the tracks on the UYI albums are fillers. Like i have said in the past, for all the great tracks on those albums, there are many that seem half baked and always thought they should have released just 1 album containing the big guns (to coin a phrase  ;) )


UYI Big guns:
Garden of Eden
November Rain
Don't Cry
Perfect Crime
Dust & Bones
Double Talkin Jive (the new GnR should play this live!)
Estranged
14 Years
Pretty Tied Up
Locamotive
Yesterdays
Breakdown
You Could be Mine
Bad Obsession
Garden
Coma (with a little more work done to it  ;)  cutting out the 1st 3.5 minutes for example, and the sound FX)


The Cover songs should have been used as B-Sides on Singles:
Live and Let Die
Knocking on Heavens Door


Other B-Side 'should have beens':
Don't Cry (alt lyrics)
Get in the Ring (a gimick of a song, fun to hear once or twice)
So Fine


Half Baked Tracks:
Shotgun Blues (with a bit more work, it could have been great)
Right Next Door to Hell (good guitars - crap lyrics)
You Ain't the First (so so)
Back off Bitch (simply doesn't work)
Don't Dam Me (this song makes me cringe)
Bad Apple (does nothing for me)
Dead Horse (it's ok, in an ok sort of way)


Tracks i simply don't like:
Civil War (probably made for the American audience. I'm from the UK, the US should have left Vietnam alone  ;) )
My World (bollox!)

Yeah, I agree. But I think You Ain't the First is cool (not saying it's a good song) because it's in 3. Find me another rock band that can play in 3.

Yes, they do have 'filler'.

I'm of the opinion that they should have taken the best 15 songs and condensed the two albums into one masterpiece.

You ain't the first is a little flat. Love everything else.  : ok:

UYI is where GNR fans split into two very different communities. There are those of us who, like the rest of the world, see Appetite as clearly their high point, with UYI as either a pretty good or, in some of our opinions, a lame follow-up to a legendary album. Then there are those who think Appetite is like this ordinary rock record, while UYI is the work of God's own hand. But I don't understand the people who think UYI is perfect and has no filler, or only My World. Even Axl seems to think UYI was disappointing.

3 what?  ???

Huh?  ??? Maybe you should give UYI1&2 a few more listenings.  ;)

Duga, Don't Cry alt. is NOT filler.  Heck, I like it more than the original.

When I first bought the album when it was first released. ?I felt as though I was letdown. ?Both these records just don't have the attitude and groove that Lies and AFD had.

Listening throughout the years, I have liked it more and more, but there is definetely alot of filler on these records.

UYI1 filler:
Live and Let Die
You Ain't The First
Perfect Crime
Back Off Bitch
Garden
Garden Of Eden
Bad Apples
Don't Damn Me

UYI 2 filler:
KOHD
Get In The Ring
Shotgun Blues
Locomotive (too many long songs on these records. ?This is the worst of the bunch)
Don't Cry (alt. Lyrics)
My World
So Fine

IMO.

3 of my all-time favourite songs!  :peace:

It's a filler in that it's the same song twice.

Who's to say, maybe Don't Cry was to be a big long epic containing all the lyrics. Maybe it didn't work out, so there's 2 versions of the song. Seems alot of work writing 2 lots of lyrics for the same tune  ;)

Or less work than writing two different lyrics for two different songs.

-

 :rofl:  :beer:

about .5 less  ;D


/my head hurts

I pretty much agree with everything you said, except Locomotive & Garden of Eden being filler. I also like Don't Cry(alt.) better than the original, so I would say the original is filler. I think the reason we got 2 discs, and alot of filler, is because they knew they could get away with it & double their money at that point in time. Has their ever been another such highly anticipated release as UYI? I can't recall one.

Use yopu Illusions are the best albums off alltime.  they changed my life.  And I even like My World. 

I would rather have had another song in there rather than the same exact song with alternate lyrics. I consider that filler.

Ask a musician:
If you count beats in a measure, almost every song to be a hit in the last thirty years is in 2/4. That's when the drummer just hits a snare on 2 and 4. A meter in 3 is seen in jazz and older classical music (waltzes, mainly). Rock is ALWAYS in 2 or 4, and You Ain't the First is the only GN'R song in 3. Listen to the beginning, they evn count off 1,2,3 1,2,3.

I like you ain't the first. Lazy and mellow.

Yeah, shotgun blues was "one big joke" if I may quote some of the lyrics.  So fine is good if you take the mic away from Duff.. sort of reminds me of Fall to Pieces, actually.  My world.. blah.

I agree... I loved when Axl sang it at the Tokyo show in 92.

And anyone who calls "Don't Damn Me" filler is completely evil. I'd go as far as saying that DDM is one of the top 3 songs on UYI 1. Awesome vocals, complex lyrics, crazy good solo near the end... good stuff. Actually, I'd say DDM is my #2, only behind Coma  :yes:

I love "Don't Damn Me". It grabbed me right away, the first time I heard it. I can't believe some call it filler :no:

I think its ridiculious some of the lists people post up. You list pretty much list all of the songs.

If your not gonna give the albums a real chance, then don't bother posting in this thread.  :confused:

A filler is defined as a song put on to the album so listeners believe they are getting more bang for their buck. My World wasn't filler because it was just put on there for fun/experiment/outro. The mistake was making it a seperate track. Woulda been smarter to fit it as a hidden track 30 seconds after Don't Cry ended.

I'd say that if there was any filler it would be You Ain't The First, Get In The Ring, Shotgun Blues and So Fine. Also.. there was no need for two Don't Cry's.


    -jack

PS. Whoever said Locomotive and Don't Damn Me were filler is fucking retarded. Wow.

I can't believe some people said KOHD is filler :no:

Maybe beacause it is a cover...

But they did a pretty damn good job covering it.

I didn't see that someone called Locomotive filler. That's just ignorant. Give the damn song a few listens.

No shit!! and Get in The Ring has been mention quit a bit as filler...how do people consider that filler :rant:  It rocks as hard as anything on illusions. what is not to like about it!? great lyrics, guitars, vox.

Get In The Ring gets a bad rap because there were a lot of weird elements in it and the fact that it was never ONCE played on the UYI tour.

Did they ever play Don't Damn Me on UYI tour?

Yeah, but not very often.

When I hear the line "crystal meth and yeast infections" I have some trouble relating to it. Plus, the whole "weighing in at...in this corner" was cheesy. The rant wasn't something that should be recorded and they never played it live for a reason. Like it or not, it was/is filler.

The part with the crystal meth and yeast infections-sounds like the voice in monster truck commercials.

illusion was amazing. true master peace. and not be cause of who it is. GNR doesnt make it amazing. the amazing ness of it makes it amazing. some people say metallica rocks ST. Anger was amazing..... well metallica does rock but there lieing. illusion will go down it music history as i think one of the best colaberations ever. just as amazing as the beatles white album. if not better.

I like Shotgun Blues,but it's the only track I'd think of as filler.

I like Get in the Ring.  Shotgun Blues is the only real annoying song other then My World.

Well, using Don't Cry twice is pretty much the definition of filler

But I have no problem with absoloutly anything else on the album.

illusions was originally going to be a 24 song double album.  if that was the case my choice for a 6 song getting the boot would be the following:

live and let die (good, perfect b side)
KOHD (fucking awful I can honestly say I have listened to it 5 or 6 times)
don't cry 2
get in the ring
garden of eden (would be a great b side)
so fine

i'm shocked at the people hating bad apples.  it isn't one of my favorites but it is a good littl rock song, something for every one.  you aint the first is just tough

I think Locomotive is one of Guns N Roses greatest and most uderated songs

Bad apples is probably my fav. GNR song period besides MAYBE Locomotive. As far as Filler on UYI, no there is none. All of the songs are excellent, personally I enjoy listening to the UYI stuff more than Appetite. (right now at least.) UYI's kick ass.

Those of you hating the "Dont Cry filler" should actually be happy that GNR decided against there being 3 dont crys on UYI. The demo was also going to be on there, but they decided against it right before the albums were released.

I do not agree.
First, Axl never said UYI was disappointing. I may be wrong, but if he  did, then give dates and outlet.
Second, I do not know  of anyone who thinks AFD is ordinary and UYI is from the gods, so that is a red herring.
Third, I do not know of anyone who thinks UYI is perfect.

So basically your premise is mistaken and the argument  overstated.

The gap between perfection and filler is quite large. There can be no filler and the album short of perfection. I happen to think UYI is solid top to bottom, but perfect? No, there is no such thing as perfection, in the music world or anywhere else. And  IF perfection did exist, it would be Abbey Road by the Beatles.  : ok:

I think he is referring to the time Axl said he felt the Illusions albums were "rushed", and would have done it a little differently. Dont remember the article he made the comments, but he did say that. But I dont remember him using the term "disappointing". That doesn't sound like a term Axl would use to describe his own work.

Right, I agree. That is exactly what he is referring to. I remember. But he never  said disappointing.

The illusions may have been rushed.. but they still made musical history if you ask me.  Its a matter of quality of quantity.. it may have been shoved onto the shelves too quickly, but it was still kickass.

hahahaha maybe you're right, but I'm from argentina, and I used to enjoy Get In The Ring without knowing the meaning of the lyrics! Now I'm older, I know a little more english and I still enjoy that song! I think that Get in The Ring is 5 minutes of TNT, I love the song.

:rofl:
you're right, I admit it  ;D

LALD on UYI1, KOHD, SB, MW on UYI2

what?!!   LJKUI on GHYFDS, DP, SWV!

anyway, i think the beauty of the Illusion albums (and GNR)  is that there's something on there for everyone - that's the reason that we're all here on this board, cos there was something in GN'Rs music that we liked. it crosses many borders and genres and that is the genius of it and why they were/are so popular. you may think they were wrong to include a particular song (for whatever reason) but pretty much every song is someones favourite.

Live and Let Die
Knocking On Heaven's Door
The Alt Lyrics of Don't Cry
So Fine
My World
Dust N Bones
Double Talkin Jive

They may not be filler, but the majority of the time they are "skips" to the next song

If your skipping Dust N Bones and Double Talkin Jive and still listening to Get in the Ring....then............I'm speechless. ::)

Don't Cry was the first single from UYIs, am I right? (Not considering YCBM/Civil War Single... Those were from Terminator 2)
So, by putting one version of the first single on each CD, it made sure that one CD wouldn't sell better than the other right away. I think it's just a good marketing idea, and that probably explains the two versions.

Personally, I like the Alt Lyrics a lot more.

I don't get why "bad" songs on double albums are always called filler, whereas if it were a single CD, they would simply be called bad songs.

To me, Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness has a lot of filler. I think if it were cut down to a single CD, it would have been AMAZING. I can't say the same for the Use Your Illusions. Both CDs are 74 minutes (the maximum at the time). To cut out half the songs to make a single CD would have been horrible. Especially considering there are pretty much 3-4 songs that most people consider filler.

No. This one for instanse.

"I gave into a lot of pressure on Illusions both internally in Guns and externally in the press, those albums suffered as a consequence, it's not something I'm too excited to have to live with again."
- Axl summer 02
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=82

just because u don't exactly like some of the songs on the album does not mean that they are fillers...

The alt lyrics came to axl when he was recording the original

Axl: While I was recording the original version I started hearing another melody and words in my head. It really surprised me. I told Mike Clink, our producer, 'Put me on another track! I don't know what's happening here but I've got a different song coming through my head and I want to get that on tape.

He says that 11 years later but in 1991 he said they came out exactly the way they wanted to and took their sweet time to make sure they did.  The king of contradiction.

Axl: Everything on that record is exactly the f*cking way we wanted it. I can find a couple of points where a not wasn't quite in time, and a couple of things like that, but everything came out the way we wanted it. That's not to say it's perfect or it's the best, but we have a real good understanding of our abilities and what we sound like now and what we were able to do. I didn't really do any harmonies with myself like on "Sweet Child." On this record, I just sang with myself. It was in different keys, so there was some form of harmony. But it wasn't planned harmonies like on "Sweet Child" or "Nightrain" on the first record. I just wanted to sing with myself in a different octave.

Axl: We've known from day one that the record wasn't going to come out until we're ready. That's one reason why we worked so hard to sell so many records the first time around - so that we could make sure we got this record done exactly the way we wanted to. Then the press comes out with how we are delaying the record. No! What do you mean delaying the record? It's my record! Delaying it? Do we want another Godfather III? No. We don't want Godfather III with our record. We want it to be right! We don't want it coming out six weeks early and saying, "I wish we would have had the time to get this part right."

and if you read the full post, you'll see that is exactly what i say ;D

In fairness to Axl, I dont consider that a contradiction. The statements you have posted are from many years ago, and he was proud of what they had done, so I see nothing wrong with his comments. Years later, he was able to see the mistakes that were made.

either that or he's justifying 15 years between albums and blaming everyone but himself for the delay

like james said, t's only natural that 11 yrs of reviewing should change your opinion of your past work.

I think there's no filler. Those are overload. There must have been no room for a filler.

You Ain't the First, So Fine, Shotgun Blues, Get in the Ring, 14 Years, Yesterdays, Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Civil War, My World, Estranged, You Could Be Mine, Coma, Locomotive, Don't Cry. : ok:

Just kidding.  :hihi: :rofl:

There's a ton of filler on those albums - While there are a bunch of great songs, no doubt, it seems that for every brilliant song like Civil War, there's a mediocre and boring one like Bad Obsession or Don't Damn Me.

lol  :-[

I don't think there are any fillers either on AFD or UYI 1 and 2. Some people might say that my world is a filler, but the way I see it, it's a kind of an outro for the whole record.

Indeed, not only is My World an outro for the whole project, I think that after CD is released people will realize that MW is a much more important track than they ever realized.

It doesn't mean it's great, or even good, but it's definitely a noteworthy song.  : ok:

^ I'd like to forget it.

I dont think that there's any fillers.. all of the songs are good/great/amazing : ok:

No one ever accuses the White Album of having filler material. And I skip around that album more than I do Illusions. This is coming from a guy who is a way bigger Beatles fan than GnR fan.

But that's the beauty of both albums. Illusions is totally GnR's White Album: kind of all over the place, a lot of material, Izzy and Duff sing a few songs. I find even the material I really don't like that much contributes to the overall vibe of the album. It sort of encapsulates a very special time in music that won't really ever be repeated again. The hype and anticipation around those albums was HUGE, and I remember waiting a long long time for them to release the follow up to Appetite. And they delivered with a shit load of material.

Yeah you could have condensed the whole thing into one really ass kicking album, but I like the idea that it's this sort of sprawling mess spread across two albums. It adds to the charm and kind of reflects the whole vibe around GnR at the time.

well said. : ok:  we can only hope C.D has a similar effect. If its half as good as the illusions i'll be very happy.

I love the Illusion albums.  The first few years I liked II better.  The last five years or so, I've liked I better.  The critics and so called experts like to complain and rip on the Illusion records, but the same reviewers turn around and gush about how great AFD is.  I love AFD but what Illusion has that AFD does not is VARIETY!  Izzy sings, there's an acoustic song, then a ballad... all mixed in with the more "traditional" rockers.  Everyone is going to have their favorites and the ones they skip sometimes... that's the beauty of it!  I hope everything GNR (or is it G&R now?) releases from now on has the variety of the Illusions sessions.

That said, here are the songs I tend to skip when listening:
UYI one...
Back Off Bitch
You Ain't The First
Bad Apples (sometimes)  and from UYI Two...
14 Years
Knockin On Heaven's Door
So Fine
Don't Cry (alternate lyrics)


Speaking of skipping tracks, has anyone burned their own version of the Spagetti Incident?  I deleted every single song that Duff sings, along with the last "hidden" song.  To the songs that were left I added Sympathy for the Devil and The Godfather Theme (the studio version Slash recorded for the "Kid Stays in the Picture" soundtrack).  It certainly has helped me listen to, and enjoy TSI more. 

Well, I like Duff's voice a lot, so I havent done anything like that :P But I burned all of the original versions to one cd. I love SIDHY :peace: Old music is great. There is also a nice bootleg, which contains most of the cover songs Gn'R played live. It's great!

I always think of Courtney Love...

Hurrah! I am not the only one who thinks My World is an interesting song.

I think that it will come to be viewed with much more appreciation once Axl puts out some new stuff.

I still haven't listened to all the songs from the UYI CD's, and I've liked the gunners strongly for 2 years.

I skid over "you ain't the first," but I love the rest of both albums. Tons of gems that are buried.

-The garden
-Don't Damn Me
-14 Years
-Locomotive
-So Fine
-Dead Horse

Amen to that, I think illusion one is loaded with filler..

Fillers: You Ain't The First, Dust N' Bones & 14 Years... Love all the others...

that's hillarious :hihi: Are you a huge new gnr fan?

Well I would say I listen to the new GN'R stuff about as much as the old GNR stuff. I really like AFD and I do definitely like the UYI CD's and I will definitely sit through and listen to them [if forced? :hihi:]. My fave songs from UYI are Civil War, Estranged, NR, YCBM, Don't Cry, Don't Damn Me, Garden of Eden, KOHD, Coma. Don't really listen to much more apart from that.

Sunday was the first time I've ever listened to Dead Horse or the whole of The Garden

if you've been a fan for two years how did you miss that album..? I mean if you were like a gh's type fan then I understand, or if you were just into new gnr I get that too..

What I think he's saying is that there are UYI songs he just skips past on his CD player.? He doesnt' like 'em, so he doesn't listen to 'em....

The material on the UYI albums, especially, is eclectic enough that it doesn't surprise me.  I bet lots of people listen to the albums that way.

funny, I love all those songs, sans You Ain't The First

Owned 'em both since 1992...
You Ain't the First isn't really filler, but I would have liked it better on Lies.
Back off Bitch is probably the only filler song on I. ?It is one of their oldest songs and kinda drags on in my opinion. ?
From II, I always skip the Don't Cry with alternate lyrics and My World. ?I wish Duff didn't sing on So Fine. ?He is painful to listen to. ?I would drop those three and replace with Shadow of Your Love and Ain't Goin Down for a perfect album. ?

That said, both Illusions albums are unfairly panned by the critics. ?The whole point is that both records make up an epic music experience with something for everyone. ?In that respect GNR delivers!

Not sure really. I just seemed to miss the album. I own all the GN'R albums and listen to them all but I just never really sat through the UYI albums.

I also love alot of those songs including You Ain't The First, but I know some of the songs I love frrom that list were put on the albums as fillers.

LOCOMOTIVE is the BEST song from either album, IMHO!

lucky dog still hearing new guns n roses material ;D

I'm going on the walls here waiting for anything remotely interesting to happen. Press release, gnr.com update, rumor, "Axl gave me a look that I think means CD is close" and all that shit that keep the fans alive. As a result I'm presenting the timewaster of the hour, to anyone interested, bored, angry, bitter, depressed or/and taxpaying individual.

List your GN'R fillers here. No reason or numeric system required.

Reckless Life
Nice Boys
Move To The City
Think About You
You're Crazy (electric)
Anything Goes
Shadow Of Your Love
Right Next Door To Hell
Live And Let Die
Perfect Crime
Back Off Bitch
Bad Obsession
Garden Of Eden
Bad Apples
Get In The Ring
Shotgun Blues
So Fine
Don't Cry (alt.)
My World
New Rose
Human Being
Attitude
Black Leather
Silk Worms
Oh My God

Note: Before anyone accuses me of not being a real fan, these are not necessarily bad songs, just lacking the little extra to take you off the edge.

You're Crazy (electric)
Right Next Door To Hell
Perfect Crime
Back Off Bitch
Bad Obsession
The Garden
Garden Of Eden
Bad Apples
Get In The Ring
Shotgun Blues
Don't Cry (alt.)
My World
Oh My God
Silkworms

The Spaghetti Incident!! : ok:

Think About You
Nice Boys
Mamakin
Dust N' Bones
Bad Apples
Garden of Eden
14 Years
You Ain't the First
My World
Don't Cry (Alt.)
So Fine
New Rose
You Can't Put Your Arm Around a Memory
Silkworms

LOL, good topic. Starting from the top...

Anything Goes
The first half of Lies
Right Next Door To Hell
Live and Let Die
Perfect Crime
Back Off Bitch
Bad Apples
Get in the Ring
Shotgun Blues
Locomotive (aside from the outro, this song is painfully average)
So Fine
Don't Cry Alt. Lyrics
The Spaghetti Incident in its entirety
Silkworms
Rhiad

Have you people read the lyrics of Locomotive, Right Next Door to Hell, Perfect Crime??
Maybe if did that carefully, you wouldn't be calling these songs fillers....Or, if it's the music that sucks for you, then you'd probably call Coma also a filler. Something hardly true.
And Locomotive has a great intro, one of the greatest of all gn'r songs IMHO.

Think About You
You're Crazy (AFD)
Perfect Crime
Oh My God
New Rose
Human Being
Attitude

shouldn't be on the list..  :)

Ditto to this, I would never include anything on the UYI's, but this I agree I rarely listen to.

If a song is a filler it's a filler. No arguments can change the feeling of hearing filler. That's just how it is. Lyrics are cool, but not important. It's the melody of the words that matter, not the actual words. At lest to me.

Nothing on AFD is a filler. Its a greatest hits album lol. And the only new song that sucks is silkworms. Any who here is what i don't care for

Bad Obsession
Shotgun Blues
So Fine
My World
New Rose
Human Being
Raw Power
YCPYAAAM
I Don't Care About You

Yup them the song i hit the hit botton to

Nice Boys
Move To The City
Think About You
You're Crazy (electric)
Anything Goes
Right Next Door To Hell
Perfect Crime
Back Off Bitch
Bad Obsession
you ain't the first
DTJ
Don't Damn Me
Shotgun Blues
So Fine
My World
New Rose
Attitude
Silk Worms
Oh My God

you ain't the first

totally agree

How can you people get off calling any song filler?!

Its called an album for a reason. ? Its a total combination of all the songs. ?All the songs are there for a reason. ?Just because you dont like a song, a song dosnt get as much air play or wasnt released as a single, dosnt make it filler.

Give up all ready

No fillers on Appetite : ok:

No fillers on Lies

No fillers on UYI I

No fillers on UYI II but I don't like two songs
14 Years
So Fine

Don't like most of Spaghetti... I only like three songs on that album but that doesn't mean the other songs are fillers

And why are some people talking about Shadow of Your Love, Silk Worms and Rhiad as fillers... those songs haven't been released so they can't be fillers can they ???

Filler?

What the fuck?


Obviously not all songs can be your favorites, but labelling songs filler is like saying "yeh, they didn't have any good songs so they filled the album with these".

But I bet the band themself worked really hard on every song they recorded for the AFD, Lies and UYI albums. Maybe they were a bit more relaxed about recording the covers because it was done for fun.




Does a band/artist exist, whose every song you like that much?


Filler.... ?::)



/jarmo

Dust N Bones, Dont Damn Me, and 14 years are fillers?????  these happen to be 3 of my top favorites off the illusions albums. 

Couldn't agree more... Filler is something that wouldn't be in the final cut of most albums but due to the lack of songs some bands actually put them on their albums and yes... they're just there so that the albums don't have only 2 o 3 songs in some cases (talking about other bands and giving the definition of filler)

So... you like "So Fine"?? :confused:

I used to think that UYI albums were full of fillers, but after years of listening, each and every one song of them became ideal for certain mood, situation...
Right now I absolutely love Breakdown, Estranged, Dead Horse...songs that i thought were boring fillers.

So... you like "So Fine"?? :confused:

Don't know about Jarmo, but i do like So Fine. Call me whatever you want to. ;)

favorite finished/unfinished fillers:

think about you
oh my god
silkworms
rhiad and the bedouins
better
irs

People definitely don't understand what filler means.

The ONLY song I would completely call "filler" is Don't Cry Alt. Lyrics.
I like those lyrics better, but there was definitely no need of putting two Don't Cry's on the UYI CDs.

People always claim that My World or You Ain't The First are fillers...
I don't think so.
They're just humorous experiments.

this thread is a filler

No, it's saying that there are songs on the record that don't hold up to the rest. Think About You is a good song, but when you put it in between My Michelle and Sweet Child O Mine it feels a little out of place.


They can work as hard and as long as they want for all I care, that doesn't change the fact that a mediocre song will stay a mediocre song, not matter how much you tweek it. ?But off course, as always, there will be exceptions.



The Mars Volta - Deloused In The Commatorium
At The Drive In - In Relationship Of Command
Against Me! - Reinventing Axl Rose
Faith No More - King For A Day
Pink Floyd - The Dark Side Of The Moon and Wish You Were Here
Led Zeppelin IV
Motorpsycho - Timothy's Monster

These are flawless records, but that doesn't mean they're better than AFD and the Illusions. A record doesn't need to be flawless to kick ass.


And let's not forget, your opinion on what qualifies as filler may differ from mine.

GNR doesnt have any filler songs, i dont know what you are talking about

I think 99.9% of us will agree that My World was filler.

Aside from that - Think About You is not filler, even though it's not a favorite of mine or even close.

You're Crazy on Lies might qualify except it was actually the original, so technically the electric would be the filler. Either way it's a good, fun song.

Anything with Duff singing is filler in my book though - So Fine and You Can't Put Your Arms Around A Memory.

Locamotive is a killer track and NOT filler by any stretch of the imagination.

i like so fine

think about you is one of the best songs gnr has dummies

To me, I rank a filler as a song that I'l skip over 95 times out of 100 when I put the CD on.  Let's see here, starting from the beginning...

AFD: Anything Goes, You're Crazy

Lies: None really.  The first four I think were mostly put on there since they were so limited the first time around, so it was worth it to toss them on with four songs that wouldn't really fit on any other albums.  And hence, Lies was born.

UYI1: You Ain't The First, Back Off Bitch, Bad Apples

UYI2: Get In the Ring, Shotgun Blues, Breakdown was on my filler list until fairly recently, So Fine, My World

TSI: Anything other than New Rose and Hair of the Dog.

New Stuff: Silkworms

Only GNR cover- My World

Any maybe Anything Goes, You're Crazy, if you think that 'you could be mine' and don't cry' could be one there instead

Bad Apples is (along with Better, Nightrain and November Rain) the best GNR song of all time. I can't understand why it's shown so little love :(

That aside, I've never considered a song a filler. If the band think a song is good enough for the album, of course it should be on the album. Then we all may have different opinions about it later.

'My World' is the definition of a filler, the only GNR one really, its just 1:24 of nothingness, kind of pointless. But I must agree, it probably wasn't put on there to be a filler.

am I the only one that loves the Spagetti Incident?  lol I listen to that all the time.

there are some good songs like "Since I Don't Have You" "Down on the Farm" and my favorite TSI track - "Attitude"

This thread is rather depressing.

I prefer my least favorite GnR song to almost any other song on my PC.
I don't consider any of GnR songs as filler.

axlrosegnr, I LOVE TSI. 
I wish they played 'Buick Makane' or 'Hair of the Dog' live.

And 'Bad Obsession' is definately NOT a filler. ?:rant:

PS: Ok, maybe there is only one filler song and that would be 'My World'. ?:P

i like this thread because it shows how different some tastes are and also how many people hate oh my god, my world, silkworms-- the industrial flavored gems that axl was probably worried about presenting to the public in 1999 when he did the rolling stone interview. me personally i never really got into 'think about you,' 'anything goes,' 'so fine,' 'you ain't the first,' but 'you can't put your arms around this painful song,' is the only gnr song i never liked.
i'm a huge tsi fan, too.

 FACT: GnR had no fillers

robinfinckfan, are you a member at robinfickfans.com that went online yesterday? I agree with your statement above, with the exception of my world (i kind of like it, its appeals to me sometimes)

No. I looked at the site and somebody else has my username so I haven't registered yet. Am planning to unless you don't want me in it, which is cool I guess. :beer:

I liked My World to : ok:

I thought TSI was a kick ass album, I've always defended it. Ain't it Fun, Black Leather, Human Being, Down On The Farm etc..etc.. the whole album kicks serious ass :yes: :yes: :yes: :beer:

Sure, everyones welcome, there are some great Robin fans on the site, i like it, it only opened yesterday, Jim Bob did a great job with the site.

Exactly. There are a bunch of songs on the UYI's that I haven't listened to in years, and have no real desire to hear again because they provoked absolutely zero response from me as a listener.

These songs are fillers - I don't hate them, but they certainly don't make a record any better. They only make it more full of average material that has to be sifted through to get to the good stuff.

And those of you claiming that GNR doesn't have any filler songs have got to be joking... Shotgun Blues is the very definition of a filler track. It starts as though it's in the middle of the song and goes nowhere fast.

I do... :) ?I play it for my girlfriend. lol

Oh yea, and Shotgun Blues is probably the worst song they ever made... :smoking:

So fine is a good song.

How can My World, be filler?  It is what like under 2 mins long and at the end of the CD.  What exactlly is it filling up?  Morons

I think most people here forget or really dont know how a album works.  Not talking about cd's, but and actual album, which all GNR can be found on.
You have your A-side, then you flip the album and have your b-side.  The A side if for you more mainstream hits, the b side would be for your less mainstream songs, songs that are very personal to the artist, but wont click with everyone. 

So basically what you guys are saying is that most b-side tracks out there would be filler.?

Just go out and by the Singles then and not the hole album. 

none. i dont consider "my world" a song..........

Covers and B sides should not be included, esp since b sides are fillers  that didnt make the album LOL

shotgun blues
my world
silkworms

you can't call silkworms a filler if it hasn't been released

i agree. i  :love: Think About You!  i also  :love: Anything Goes, so i am the odd chick out, i guess.

And if there is a God it never will be. Speaking of God, it is safe to safe that "OMG" left God wondering why it was ever allowed to leave the studio with GNR's name on it.

Why are people saying Think About You?

That's a great song.

i love the majority of those songs, infact, some of them are the best off UYI, more rockier ones....how can you have domt damn me in there, the lyrics, riffs, solos are amazing!

tbh gnr dont have any filler for me

other than

garden of eden

The more I listen to the live version of Silk Worms the more I like it.   Not ones of my by far, but it has one of the coolest intros.  I dig it

Oh My God isnt to bad either.  The music is actually kinda kick ass, but the lyrics are lacking.  Lacking in the fact that I cant even understand Axl.

yeah, all i pick up is: Oh My God, I can't deny this, i've been taught just to kill and fight this,

I can understand the part where Axl goes,  oooooooooooooooooooooooooou.

haha, thats about it

GNR has only recorded one Filler track.  My World.

I'm confused as to how Shadow of Your Love and Silkworms can be fillers - when they dont even appear on albums????

You're right. I think that GN'R recorded some mediocre and unfinished songs, mostly on the UYI twins, but their 'real fillers' are DC Alt Lyrics and Duff's You Can't Put Your... cover.

AFD

I don't think anything on this album classifies as filler, despite the fact in more recent years You're Crazy & Anything Goes have worn

GN'R Lies

Reckless Life
Nice Boys

UYI I

Right Next Door To Hell
Perfect Crime
Back Off Bitch
Garden of Eden
Don't Damn Me
Bad Apples

UYI II

Get In The Ring
Shotgun Blues
So Fine
My World

TSI

the entire album

New GN'R

Silkworms
Rhiad & The Bedouins
The Blues
Chinese Democracy

(not saying any of these songs are bad, some are, but some are just obviously B-side type stuff)

Dude the Blues is awesome, I can see it being the 2nd ballad single after a hard rocking first single^

AFD-Think About You, Anything Goes
LIES-none
UYI 1-Don't Cry, Live and Let Die, Back off Bitch, Bad Apples
UYI 2-Knockin on Heavens Door, Shotgun Blues, Get in the Ring, So Fine, My World
*no comment on the SI-all cover tunes

*Oh My God and Sympathy don't really count as they were ?soundtrack songs which generally aren't artists top shelf tunes.

*no comment on anything leaked or played live from the new band because they are not officially released.

I generally can stomach almost everything outside of Get in the Ring-just think some of the songs I listed should have been b-sides to singles and not album tracks. : ok:

The thing is though, old B-sides are hard to come by these days, and lets face it, GNR had  only several albums of work as it is, so I'm thankful for every song they released, thats the only thing that pisses me off when people say the UYI albums should have been 1 CD

AFD
Anything Goes

Lies
Move to the City

UYI 1

You Ain't The First
Back Off Bitch
Garden of Eden
Bad Apples

UYI 2

Get In The Ring
Shotgun Blues
Don't Cry (Alt) - I like this song, but no need for 2 versions
My World - Obviously..

TSI?
Everything except New Rose, Down on the Farm, Hair of The Dog and Ain't it Fun.
(The rest are fillers in terms of that they could have picked better songs to cover)

How come no one likes Get In The Ring like I do? after all, it is dedicated to all the fuckin' guns n' roses fans who stuck with them through all the fuckin' shit

Because it's an immature rant by a pack of rich millionaires living a life of luxury?  ???

AFD:
Anything Goes (though it's a decent song)

Lies:
Reckless Life
Nice Boys
Move to the City
Mama Kin

UYI 1:
Right Next Door to Hell
Bad Obsession
Bad Apples

UYI 2:
Get in the Ring
Shotgun Blues
Don't Cry (alt. lyrics)

I'm not gonna go into TSI?!

True, but you have to see the humor in it

Fillers, that's funny.  This is a topic that pisses me off enough to actually post.

There are no fillers.  i am seeing people list songs like "You're Crazy" and "Anything Goes" repeatedly.  These songs are better than any song released by any artist in the last 10 years.  The music industry is shit these days.  Thank God the album will be here (with no fillers) and GNR can reclaim the throne of rock that has been empty since they last released UYI.

Calm down man. Yeah these songs are good, the OP already said that, but they're nothing compared to the better material. Anything Goes compared to SCOM? Come on dude, it may not be bad filler but it's filler nonetheless.

hmmm GNR have no fillers...i like everything they ever did in one way or another

There are no fillers.. and I think Gn'R has no bad songs at all.

A Voice Of Reason!! I Agree!  TY!  :beer:

I really tried hard not to post in this thread, and just let it be.

2 things.

1: Just because someone likes one song better in comparison to an other, does _not_ make the other song a filler.

2: I fucking HATE IT when people label their topics as "official". Especially when it's something like this "official gn'r filler list"? As if this thread is ever going to reach the point of everyone going, "yeah.. those are the fillers. here's the list.. it's official. make a press release out of it and send it to Reuters."

there are no fillers! on the contrary, some songs should have been included also [see Unwanted  Ilussions ]

I think people need to sit back and think about what a "filler" song actually means....

In my head this is a song that pads out an album so that it has "enough" songs... now think about that and think about how many songs are on the UYI discs.... 14 and 16.... doesn't really need any "fillers" because 2 albums of 10 songs each is enough really.

That being said, I think they should have done that, and released the songs not good enough for the album as B-sides.  I wouldn't want the weaker songs to never have been released, but the albums would be much better if they were just kept as b-sides.

My nominations would be....

From UYI I

Right Next Door to Hell
Dust N Bones
Don't Cry (only prefer the alt lyrics and there's no need for the same song on 2 albums)
Back off bitch
Garden Of Eden
Bad Apples

From UYI II

Get In The Ring
Shotgun Blues
So Fine
My World

There were plenty of singles released for these songs to be included on.

LP

what is with all the "dont damn me" hating.

Its one of gnr's finest.

I agree: what the fuck is a filler song??

I don't believe good (!!) musicians (like GN'R!) make "filler songs", they just write and play songs because they like it.

Is it a less good song? This is also very personal, so, no I don't believe GN'R has "filler songs" what so ever.

In fact, the songs which are selected as B-sided do not need to be necesserally "bad" / "less good" songs! I stuck to it, it all a matter of personal taste.

Filler songs just don't exist.

filler songs are just that, songs that are not up there with the best (rest of the album). Not many (if any) albums have 100% AAA songs. AFD is pretty dame close. Anything Goes is the weakest song on AFD and could be called a filler song (although it is still a good track).

Sadly the UYI albums feature far more filler songs than AFD.
The Spaghetti Incident being a covers album and Live-Era being a live album don't really suffer as much.
Lies's gets off lightly too, as there's simply 4 live tracks and 4 studio tracks.

OMG almost every poster mentioned Bad Apples as a filler. Easily one of my favourite songs off the UYIs. I guess I was right when I named BA in the 'Most underrated GN'R song' thread. Even fans fail to see its strength.  :no:

Or most fans share a different opinion of it?  Just because you don't like something (as much) doesn't mean you "fail to see" anything.  Bad Apples is "ok" at best.

LP

 i quite enjoy bad apples alot also. its got a groove to it.

I guess i'm no fan of bad apples. My CD has an internal hole/error on the bad apples track and i have no desire to rush out and buy a new disc. I thought compact discs were supposed to last a life time? :)

(back on topic) i'd class Right Next Door to Hell as a filler. The song is half'assed. The lyrics are bollock's.. some of the guitar work is good.

That's what I mean: what is the best!? It is al a personal taste.... so it just doesn't exist.

with CD i get the impression that Gn'R are attempting to make an album filled with AAA tracks, even if it means only having 10 tracks on the album. Put Silkworms on CD and it would be viewed as a filler track.

Only MY World is true filler

everything else has it's place, some songs not so hot, but all have thier place, for better or worse

i think there;s a lot of shit being thrown at Silkworms & Rhiad - both songs have the raw, basic ingrediants and could well be cracking songs, lets here finidhed studio versions before passing judgements

From what I've read so far, it looks like everyones idea of "filler" is a song they wouldn't want to hear. So going by that, here's my list of tunes that would/have  send/sent me for a beer:

AFD
Think About You
Out Ta Get Me
Anything Goes

GN'R Lies
Reckless Life
Nice Boys
Move To The City

UYI
Garden Of Eden
Shotgun Blues
So Fine
My World

"TSI?"
New Rose
Human Being
Raw Power
Attitude
Black Leather
You're Can't Put Your Arms Around A Memory
I Don't Care About You
Look At Your Game, Girl

Chinese Democracy (Songs heard so far)
Silkworms

right on!! : ok:

 not like i disrespect your opinion, but i LOVE RNDTH! its so damn well done! from the bass intro to the drums going steady troughout the whole song and the guitars! yeah, the only think i got to say on it is the solo.... but its one hell of a song! full paced from start to end! nuthin' like it! agressive lyrics and singing!


songs i  have lost intrest for are Knocking on Heavens Door, wich i think is boring....

 :peace:

and i love Bad Apples to! great song!

when i hear RNDTH it's like the lights are on and no ones home.
To me it feels like a whole load of hot air. It's like a really average song pumped up by the might of Gn'R performing it.
The bottom line is, beyond the good guitar work, the songs says little to me, thus as no meaning.
It feels fake, unlike say the might of Nightrain, which feels real.

Well, let me say first off - - this is an interesting thread. There is only one filler song that GNR has ever recorded, in fact, it is not even a filler, its just a "fucked-up, funny as shit, 'lets put this at the end' song." - and that is MY WORLD.

You people are crazy listing all those AWESOME songs as fillers. But! Everyone has their own opinions. To each his own.... As hard as it is for me to say that, it is true. If we didn't have others opinions there would be no point to having a message board - everyone would keep repeating themselves.

SO! In my opinion, GNR has recorded NO FILLER SONGS, besides My World - which seems to be more of an ADD-ON rather then a filler.

:: NorthwindNS

OMG almost every poster mentioned Bad Apples as a filler. Easily one of my favourite songs off the UYIs.

Amen to that. Bad Apples FTW!

Why let one bad apple spoil the whole damn bunch?

My World can't be filler because it's too short. Not every crappy song is filler, some are just crappy songs.

Let me say this. The Blues is awesome. One of the better new songs, and I love it!

But anyone that knows anything about this band, knows this is gonna be a B-side/filler-type of song.

No different than So Fine...

(let the flaming begin)  ;D

how people can say that right next door to hell, locomotive or even dont cry are fillers is beyond me

RNDTH I can understand, but there's no way Loco & both of the Don't Cry's are fillers.

the only gnr songs im really not a fan of are get in the ring and my world

not a b-side, we know its probably gonna be on the album

and it's not a filler, its just another strong song on the same album as even stronger ones

According to Axl Rose himself, it's a B-side.