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The reason is simple. 90% of the time an album leaks the band does it. Axl has had this underwraps for years now and not one studio version has leaked out yet. Sure we have  a few demos but some people think the band leaked them. I dont see CD leaking at all. And if it does, it will just be a few days early because of when the cds are shipped to stores someone might grab one early and post it on line. But I could see gnr shipping CD to record stores on the monday of the release date to prevent this.

i dont know man.. im guessing weeks before the release, and ur right, it wont be by the band.

Coldplay managed to keep their album from leaking.

It's not impossible

Agreed. :beer:


Axl it is a nut in a good way....he will do evrything possible to avoi the album leak,one thing he and the GNR camp are doing right now is not reveal the realese date to protection.

no shit, kiko.

the album will be out a day before it hits the U.S. though.. right? I heard The U.K. gets it first.

Right on monday. So like I said, it would just leak a day if it does

I think thats great Axl and the rest of the Guns N' Roses camp are doing everythnig not to let the album leak. Yeah it's not like it's impossible to do so. I also do not think a member leaked any of the tracks. ?:no: I hope they are able to keep the album from leaking intill it is out. ?: ok: ? ?

they completely prevented a leak before release? that is awesome!!! i wonder how they did it?

The only leaks are what they want us to hear.

The album wont leak, not a chance.

What other band out there have any leaks and albums getting downloaded before they should? ? Not to many any more.

The album will come out when the time is right. ? ?Hope someone uploads it then, so I can download it! ?haha

the most times albums leak its because record companys send out promo copies to radiostations,magazines etc. to review.. they then rip the copies and post em on the net..

once the album ships there is NO WAY to stop it from leaking.  It is not possible. I guarantee the very same day it ships, it will be on the internet.  Unless GnR plans to personaly deliver every copy to every store, there is no way this is not going to leak. 

There will be at least one delivery driver out there that will take $100 bucks and slip someone the CD a day or two before it comes out.

I'll tell you what - notice how none of the songs only played live up untill the beginning of this year( Blues, Maddy , CD ) have been leaked as studio veersions? ?The leaks we got earlier in the year , I will continue to believe Axl leaked them, untill it's proven otherwise - How can it be that these songs someone got a hold of , but not the ones he was willing to actually play live?


Point being - nothing will leak unless the main man wants them to ::)

STOP ANTAGONISE ME DUDE :rant:

UK and the rest the wordl,the week start on Monday so the albums are out on Monday,only in the USA it is out on tuesday and that makes no sense....

Some time the album will ?leak...some Punk will upload and leak.
Maybe the album will be out on a tuesday on a Global scale... :rofl:

I know certain sites/people that get albums weeks before their release and leak them ahead of time. Most of the leaks are sourced from people involved with production of the discs.

The tracks will be leaked - trust me.

i know i can walk into my local best buy and slip some kid 20 bucks to go to the back and get me a copy of it the weekend before it's release. i've been told that cd's usually come in friday or saturday before their tuesday release.
i won't leak it though, fuck that.

If Axl doesn't send out any promo copies to , say, Rolling Stone for instance, then there's a good chance it won't leak.

All albums leak, it's just a matter of when.  The best I've ever seen is when they manage to keep it until about a week before the scheduled release, but once the album is shipped to stores it's inevitable that people start getting their hands on copies before the release date and it gets leaked

like i said, not if the album gets shipped monday or axl puts something on the box that harrry potter does and the stores gets fined $1m if you open the box before the release date.

Stores aren't going to deviate from their norms for a GNR record. A Harry Potter book makes them a significantly higher margin than a GNR CD would. That is the only reason they put up with that type of stuff for those books, and they are about the only thing.

Coldplay last album did leak about 5 days before the release.

I say the US gets the album on tuesday, then UK should wait till the next monday. HAHA eat that. j/k, I think it will leak...

Who cares if it leaks or not?

I kknow what you mean shoup, I for once, do not plan on hearing the leak if/when it does.

It probably won't leak as most albums do, but they send previews to critics, and believe it or not a lot of film/music leaks are because critics actually do it, and in fact the Academy Awards started sending critics "exploding" discs last year that would last for I think 24 hours and then like implode and turn into dust, weird shit! Anyway as far as I know they aren't doing this with albums.

And someone mentioned Coldplay but just think of how many people have been waiting to hear CD, Coldplay releases a new album every couple years really (give or take). So if it falls into the wrong hangs of ANYONE it's very likely it will leak.

Problem is Axl doesn't have complete control over the security of the album - Geffen workers are the ones who are going to be passing it around for work, think back to when they gave MTV the preview and Mr Vics heard it, they were blaring it out the open balcony, not all Geffen workers are going to treat this with the care Axl's camp might.

I won't say it's def gonna leak but it very well could. In the Internet age all it takes is one wrong person, one guy whose best buddy loves GN'R and he gives him a copy of the disc and the buddy previews it for another pal, and the other pal makes a copy, and soon it's on iTunes, and soon it's being shared on P2P2.

Copies sent to the media for review are ofter watermarked, there's like a different distinctive crack on each track & CD so that the leak version could actually tracked back to the owner of one particular copy.

If it leaks 4 or 5 days before its in the shops then I would download it.. Ive waited this long that theres no point spoiling it for a few days extra...

The only time the album might leak (and probably will do) is during the manufacturing process of the disc it'self. The only way they could stop a cd leaking is if security were to stop and search every employee as they exited the manufacturing plant each day/night. And lets face it, your average security guard don't earn much and probably wouldn't give 2 f*cks if a compact disc (or two) left the building. The only interest security really have is in people breaking into a building etc.

Axl's doing it the right way, who wants to listen to the internet idiots leaking an album, that we have all been waiting for for nearly 10 years!

That is bullshit, it is usually workers in manufactoring plants or even workers (or their kids) at the record company. Not everyone holds this album up to what people here do, its just another release.

Anyone who wants to here it

I hope it leaks then I won't have to buy it! :hihi:

..and what about the big time counterfeiters, Mafia, Triads who will set up plants to copy the album and sell to fund terrorism and fuel the drugs trade etc.

Here in the UK there are so many Chinese selling copied dvd's you wouldn't believe it. You would have thought this sort of thing would remain in city locations, but no. Where i live *in a smallish coastal town* there are even Chinese counterfeit DVD sellers here. They will approach you in the street and open up a bag filled with copied dvd's (just the disc and cover, no box). These people can barely speak english (although their english is better than my Chinese admitedly).? :peace: ..they even have the nerve to approach people in bars who are happy drinking a their beer.

..part of me is thinking, sod the Chinese democracy. China should keep the Chinese in China, behind that big wall of theirs?:hihi:

I care if it leaks.  Why?  Simple... if people can get it without paying for it, they will.  If the album doesn't break even, the band are fucked and the chances of seeing the (rumoured) other two albums they've recorded go down the pan, as Geffen are probably just waiting for a chance to drop the band that's given them so much shit over the last 10 years.

It?s sacrilege to think Axl not worth it

It might be worth downloading CD, and then waiting to see if Jap's get an extra track on their version (and buy the Jap release of CD).

I didn't say it wasn't worth it, I'm just fed up of adding to the huge greed of all those involved in the mainstream music industry.
How many houses/cars/planes etc does Axl need, it's a pretty disgusting way to live if you ask me.

If Axl has created the greatest album of all time with no dodgy leaks, then he can own his own small island for all I care

I'm not expecting the greatest album of all time, i'm just expecting a good album, and from what i have heard of new material, it's sounding good. The only thing that CD could suffer from is being over worked on, and lacking any real freshness, something that only comes with good new bands that are full of new ideas and bags of energy.

It's not really considered a leak, but there is a store in my town that gives out new albums early you just have to ask the right guy.  I should have it in my hands by the Thursday before whichever Tuesday that it comes out.

Who cares if it leaks or not?

Either way it will leak.
all albums leak these days.
either way, there will always be those that buy albums and those that don't ..buy'em & get them some other way..
:peace:

It's called capitalism, we aren't running a communist country here. Also, you're saying that people that have a talent that helps others (yes, music can be seen as something that society needs) shouldn't be rewarded? Should highly skilled doctors not be paid? I'm not saying that it's fair that the rich get richer, but as a "fan" you should support the artists you care about. On one hand you're saying that it's unfair that certain people in the music industry make a lot of money, but on the other hand you're saying it's ok to steal. Which one is worse? I'm not trying to start a "piracy" debate, as I'm pretty sure that almost every one of us has been guilty of it at some point. Just trying to add some perspective.

Raven

..i download, i copy, i also own over 200 original CD's? ;)
Take the band Garbage, i own originals of Version 2.0, Garbage, Beautiful Garbage. Their latest album Bleed Like Me i decided to download it. The album is no good, so i don't feel bad about downloading it? ;D

IF promo copies are sent to the press to review then there is a good chance it will leak.  It isn't such a concern with the weekly titles like Kerrang.  But copy deadlines for the monthly mags like Metal Hammer and Classic Rock are a few weeks before onsale date, so the promo would have to be with the reviewer 2-3 weeks before on sale date.  I would suspect there may be pre-release media listening days etc just so that they get to hear it and write a brief review with a full review to follow once it is actually released.

That's cool, and totally reasonable. I just hate it when supposed fans don't support the bands they pretend to care about. Usually I'll download a song or two to see if I really like an artist before purchasing the CD. There are only a few artists that I blindly support. Among them: GN'R, Korn, and Tool.

Raven

I'll have my copy as soon as the local record store gets a promo or the shipment in for the sale. I been talking to the owner about how excited I am for this album for like the last 12 years. He'll give me anything gnr puts out as soon as he gets it. I been paying $1.00-$2.00 more a cd to buy from him instead of using the corporate Best Buy. :peace:

P.S-

I don't think anyone will get a promo though, and I think if you want to review it you'll have to listen in a set up booth or something. I think a full leak won't occur until the Monday before.

Axl Rose will shoot you if you steal his music.

Why would you want a leaked copy?  Part of the excitement for me is tearing open the wrapping and seeing the cover art, the liner notes, reading the lyrics along with the songs...that is what's exciting...10 years of waiting will come down to a moment of madness trying to tear open that fucking plastic wrap!!!  :rofl:  I can't wait!!!!!

Ha Ha, imagine just putting it in your car cd player.........

WILL YOU DRIVE AND RISK NOT GETTING TO READ THE LYRICS WHILE YOU LISTEN???

I might just sit in my car and listen to it in it's entirety!!!

It prolly won't even have lyrics or any notes lol Then we can all bitch about that haha.

I may have to do that too...camp out in my car for an hour and a half while I soak in the whole experience...and then I will drive home screaming out the windows "Chinese Democracy starts now motherfuckers!!!!"   :rofl:

I'm going to open the case and caress the wrapper and probably do some other stuff to it, too. It'll involve baby lotion and a Guatamalan sheep. DEMOCRACY STARTS NOW!  :no:

im gonna sit in your car and listen to it in its entirety as well, except i'll be rubbing one out in the backseat and spooging on your windshield  :D

Albums can also not have enought time spent on them, anyway if the album gets leaked then we all end up with a series of low quality songs and then never get to here what there supposed to sound like, since Axl will then spend another decade creating somthing else

Chinese Democracy was complete in 1999.

They have spent the last seven years formulating strategies to stop it from leaking.

 :smoking:

The CD will be leaked once it goes to manufacturing. Workers at the plants grab copies all the time, MP3 groups hook them up with access, and the album gets released online. Most early leaks happen this way which is why they're only a few weeks prior to the store date.

It doesn't really matter. I had Tool's 10,000 Days weeks before it hit stores, I still bought it and it's a platinum album.

I guarantee it will be on the net before its for sale in stores, even if its only by 1 day.  Even Metallica's last album was on the net a few days before it was in stores and they are the anti-mp3 band.  With that being said I will DL it the second that its available, but I will still buy it obviously.  Mp3z dont have as big of impact on album sales as organizations like the RIAA would have you believe anyway.

I hate metallica, because they got me banned back on the old Napster.

So everytime a new metallica album comes out I love to download it for free, then give it away to everyone I can

I also like to download there songs, make cd's out of them and then burn them!   haha, j.k

Whether it leaks a month early, a week early, or the day after release is absolutely irrelevent.  The fact of the matter is that CD will inevitably leak, and people will download it. In fact, I'd venture to guess that more people will download this record in higher numbers simply because the majority of the average public has absolutely no concept of what's in store for them.
The fact is that people are no doubt going to be skeptical (and rightfully so, to an extent), and will therefore want to sample at least a few songs to get a sense of whether Axl is still worth their time.  Many of us appear to think or know otherwise, but at the end of the day, we are a minute percentage of the buying public.

I am, however, a firm believer in the idea that downloading music illegaly does very minimal damage to long term record sales.  I'd like to think(albeit, perhaps a bit naively) that the quality of the music on any cd trumps even thousands of hoarders.  If the shit is poweful and the public perceives it as relevent, it will sell, period.

I think I know why CD won't leak. The reason CD hasn't leaked is because Axl is manufacturing the CD's himself at his Malibu Mansion. He is now putting together his distribution team that will consist of armed guards who will deliver the album to records stores through out the world. This is why CD has taken so long. Axl has spent the bulk of the 13 million to prevent illegal downloading. Back in 99 when the rest of the world was still preparing for Y2K, Axl was already preparing for illegal downloading.

I think part of that plan was teaming up with Moby in 1999.

Because no one would want to download that crap!    haha

just a suggestion. i think the chilis peppers did this (yes their album leaked but that was was because of a presale box set being uploaded, not a promo cd)

What about having a meeting, say in New York, where all the press come together and listen to the album track by track all at the same time, this way theres no CDs floating around.

I don't care if it leaks or not before release as long as it's available to dl through bit torrent or whatever I don't care. I don't plan on buying this album so as long as someone uploads it on the day it comes out (which it will happen) I'll be fine.

Why are you not planning to get the album??

Cheapskate!

I don't plan on spending money on the album is because, with the exception of 2 songs, none of the tracks impress me enough to warrant me spending money on it.

Yeah, because you've heard all the tracks.  ::)

Well, we don't have the full tracklisting yet.

Your an idiot....

You have heard what?  A few leaked songs and a few live tracks.....

I really hope you dont spend money on this album and just give up on the band all together.
Go back and watch some more of Dora The Explorer

um... dont we have this exact same thread every few days? with the exact same debate by the exact same personel?

well its my first time seeing it or posting in such a one...

I think 50 percent of these threads are repeats anyways.

It amazes me how you guys flame someone for saying they won't buy the album. Who cares really? Are you guys collecting royalties from the album sells? I will buy it, but I'm not against anyone who downloads it. Most albums are downloaded these days, yet the artists still sell millions. Welcome to the 21st century guys.

The issue I have is with people saying they're a "fan" of a band and not supporting that band by buying their CDs. If you can't understand why that's wrong on many levels, I guess there's no point in arguing about it.

Raven

I'll buy it cuz I cant remember the last time I bought a GNR cd, its gonna feel so 1989 again!  Plus I want that f'n cover art and the linear notes and shit.

And cough I'm a fan and Axl really needs the money.

Totally stupid argument. Firstly, if someone says they're a fan, then they're a fan. Who are you to argue that.

I don't think that not buying their CD's means your're not a fan. It's simply that Axl will make a shit load of money from this record, a disgusting amount of money...so who really gives a fuck if some people download it for free, so what if he can't afford to buy another fucking gold plated mobile phone.

Maybe if GNR hadn't made so much money Axl wouldn't be such an over-inflated twat, hanging out with total dicks, and genrally acting like he is some kind of pimp!

People like you aren't worthy of the album anyway.

There really shouldnt be any reason for the album to leak, we have demos have better, twat, irs, citr and have live version of madagascar, cd, and the blues

If you download ANY of the album WITHOUT purchasing the CD when it comes out . . . . you are STEALING. End of story.

I agree, they will just ship it out the monday of...and in the case of it possibly getting out, they will just push the release date up....I remember Eminem's album leakin in 2002 so they released it on a saturday night or something weird as soon as they heard it was out there...there are ways around it, and i seriously doubt that a leak right before the release will hurt album sales that badly

They need to put a new DVD in with CHIDEM to make it more appealing. Yes, I know people can burn and upload that dvd as well, but the casual fan needs something more to entice them to buy the cd. I am buying it, and I waited 10 years, no way will I spoil the album any more than I have with the leaks we already know. This better be  the booklet to end all booklets in this album.

they should include a live dvd from the hammerstein shows...or rock in rio/download, why else would they tape the hammerstein shows?

Didn't someone say that any possible live DVD (like from europe) will come out after the album?

A cameraman at Hammerstein said a DVD was being planned, yes.

it won't leak because of AXL  :rant:

Axl's probably recored so many songs that it doesn't matter if Plan A fails, by now he should have a Plan B, C, D, E, F, and so one, and if he doesn't damn it.

 He better not go back into a studio again!

well, go ahead and download it, but if you end up loving it you'll have no excuse to not buy it, as your only impediment as you said was not liking the tracks. If you suddenly find yourself loving CD then you should buy it

don't doubt the nerdy assholes out there!  someone will leak this thing and we'll ALL download it, let's not lie.


but  i actually think the band would leak it, i mean they had to have been the one's behind the last leak.

If the leak was planned then they did a pretty piss poor job of it, since it took around two years from the time that a radio station received the demo disc and when the mp3's finally made it online. Also, do you really think Axl would want to introduce his band to the public by putting out poorly mixed low-bitrate recordings of the songs he had spent years and years working on?

I actually wont download anymore leaks.

I still kick myself for DL what I did.


I should've stopped after IRS


anyhow, all it takes is one crooked manufacturing plant worker for this to leak cause it will spread like wildfire if just one gets their hands on it.


I think it will leak to be honest, unless u do like on the movie New Jack City and make everyone workin in the plant strip naked and have video surveillance it would be next to impossible to stop it from doing so.

if there's a release date i won't download it. why listen in shit quality when the way it should sound isn't too far away.

give me a break, is it any coincidence that the leaked songs are the same ones they play live this summer??

^
maybe they played them because they leaked? :-\

Funny, The Illusion, that name suits you. :rofl:

Umm, no, obviously they're playing them now because the songs finally made it online (2 years after the disc leaked) and everyone has heard them. Hence Axl's "downloading motherfuckers" comments.

Well the Killers album was widely anticipated and that only made the net a day before it's UK release AFAIK so it's definately possible they can keep it from leaking before release day. A leak of this album a day or 2 before release I really don't think would do anything too damaging to sales anyway, unless the album was absoloute garbage of course then that might put a few people off.

The last iron maiden album leaked about 3 days before the release date...maybe with CD will be the same...

It will leak because it's the most anticpated album in Rock history.

It'll leak the moment it goes to mastering.
Failing that, it'll leak the moment the shops have it in stock but not on the shelves (pre launch of album).
The moment it is on sale in the shops, it'll freely available for download.

..as for me, i want an original  :)

Hasn't it been geting mastered since 1999.

Exactly!  They were played because they leaked. Good call.

I got the Killer's new album 8 days prior to release. Good cd. That's why i went out and bought it last weekend : ok:

Chinese Democracy will leak. It may not be til the day before scheduled release, but it'll leak.
If it doesn't leak, Axl will probably make millions by helping other bands protect their new albums,LOL.

it wont leak because of axl because axl is "anti" gnr fan  :rant:

I've always thought this to be the case too... when people use the "isn't it STRANGE that the leaks are what was played this summer!?" line... I laugh.

what adds further creedance to the suggestion, is that 2 weeks prior to the leaks, Axl broke his silence and made reference specifically to 2 of the songs that leaked - 1 of which we'd never heard of prior to this. That to me, is fishy

Same here.

It's coming out this year.? The only reason why I heard the leaks were because at the time we had no idea when CD was coming.

I can wait a few more weeks.

Well Axls got alot to live up to, so im sure he needs all the sales he can get. hes gonna work his ass off to not get it leaked.

What about what RCA did for Contraband.  The album didn't leak untill a while after it was released.  The cd's were protected and couldn't simply be ripped.  Im sure that Interscope needs a lot of revenue to be generated off of this album, so theyll do their best to keep it from leaking.

Albums are always shipped to stores usually the Friday before release (I work at one), during the Christmas season they usually are shipped 1-2 weeks in advance.

Meaning: I would be VERY suprised if GNR does not leak.

That protection wasn't  to good. All you had to do was turn autorun off and rip it.

Yeah, at Christmas time they have to ship them earlier. Same with DVDs.

All it takes is one dishonest employee.

Most of the leaks end of coming from inside the record companies anyways.

I'm assuming the album will  be up either the Friday or Monday before it's released just like every other album ever.

Bullshit. That album leaked 8 or 9 days prior to release. i had it. It was the wal-mart edited version, but still, it leaked. That copy protection was crap anyhow. The day Contraband came out, i bought it(uncensored!), then ripped it to MP3's with no problem.

The unedited one was on the newsgroups around the same time as the edited one was floating around as well.

If you have autorun disabled on your PC the copyright protection on those CDs is useless.

If autorun is enabled it automatically installs a hidden software on your hard drive.

I'm pretty sure they don't do it anymore because it was eventually labelled a form of trojan/virus software, because it was unauthorized installation...or maybe that was the one on the Foo FIghters album...