Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Well, wasn't Ron playing "Don't Cry" at one of the gigs in Europe?

Who thinks the NA tour will include Illusions songs?

I do.

Of course they?ll do!

Can you imagine being at a GNR gig and not listening to November Rain or You could be mine? Now, if you mean if they are playing more illusions songs that?s something you American fellows won?t know untill the tour starts.

By the way, long time no see Dolphin! :)

I would like that, but I'm not hopefull. I think at best we might see TWAT included more once the album drops (if the mid-november rumors are true) and maybe one more song from CD. The Blues, Madagascar, Chinese Democracy, I.R.S., Better, There Was A Time, maybe one other.

I would love to see Don't Cry and Civil War added though.

I'm hoping they'll do Estranged..but that's doubtful ..and since Ron's got "Don't Cry" in his solo there's a chance it might be on the set list.

while it would be nice i wouldn't expect any UYI songs that haven't already been played.. these guys are itching to play more from Chinese!!!

I don't. ?I think they'd play brand spanking new songs before they play "Civil War" or "Dead Horse". ?Ron does play that "Don't Cry" solo though, so I guess that COULD be possible. ?But I doubt it. ?I think we'll see much the same setlist, unless we get the album during the tour which we are supposed to.

I don't think the setlists will change much from what they've been playing all year, they're hitting most markets for the first time.

Hey NR.

I meant to say "include MORE" ?Illusions songs :hihi:

I need more caffeine.

That's a good point.  All the people calling for changes in the setlist don't realize that the people GOING to the concerts want to hear the classics.  Sure I'd love to download newer or different songs from the concerts but that's not what it's all about.

Or they could simply do 60% of new songs but I doubt the album will drop in the early part of the tour. ?They did do the Illusion tour without the albums being dropped till late in the year in 91.
Get your chinese democracy for Christmas..ugh.

Axl said as the tour goes on there will be more new songs played.  I don't think we will any more illusion songs but more Chinese Democracy.

I guess Catcher In The Rye is going in the setlist as well as Chinese Democracy..

i dont think
nothing will be different..
it will change when CD or a single is realased..
before that.. dont get your hopes up

if at all possible i'd like to get it for my birth day- November 10.? November 14 is still a possible release date.

I'd like to hear the new band playing Double Talkin' Jive ("Motherfucker"? :rant:). Who knows, he might dedicate it to Scott Weiland or somebody....

i'd like to see them play Estranged, Civil War, and Don't Cry

Richard said that Civil War might be a possibility.

And what does that have to do with GNR playing Illusion songs?




Everything might be a possibility for Richard.

Would you settle for Thanksgiving instead :)
hey maybe election day in November..nah...

I'm going to hear Chinese Democracy material.

Everything might be a possibility for Richard.

Haha, helloooo Mandy!  Would smashing foot guitar 2.0 be a possibility as well?  :-*

I'm trying to remember if they ever played "The Garden" at Madison Square Garden..hmm. I think I remember hearing "Breakdown" in late 91 ...but heck bring "Locomotive" into the mix .

i'd like to hear bad apples

Hell, play Get In The Ring and use names of critics who have badmouthed GNR recently.

Just a little nitpick, but just in case you didn't know, Ron played Don't Cry at pretty much all the shows in Europe.  :peace:

Only an opinion, but we have all the old songs we're going to get at this point...Every addition moving forward will be new.

hopefully between my b-day and mid December, otherwise my mom would want to keep it until Christmas before i could listen to it  ::)

Most probably...  :)

For anyone knows the odd message about 13 Tuesdays left of the year probably means something..who knows when it'll come out.  I think when Illusion albums came it was in mid SEptember '91 .but they were touring in early June 91..  THough still hopeful before Thanksgiving..  And maybe they'll play estranged or maybe Coma..yeah right..that's rarely played

clearly they arent going to play any more illusions songs...they are just playing appetite + november rain (because they have to) + live and let die and then the new songs.  they havent deviated from this yet, why would that? dont cry is just filler in the show.

I cant see them playing any songs percieved to be the other guys songs.  I think the hole guitar on Estranged is totaly Slash.   What do they play off U1/2..  2 covers and a sound track song and Axls Ballad.  Would love to hear something different.  Happy to hear anything!  Doubt will here anything off those albums that hasnt been played all ready.  Heard a rumor to Civil war being played, would be cool.

patience and Knock, Knock, Knockin on Heavens doorawor

I hope it for you! But I don't think that it happens. In my opinion the Illusion's songs are tied with a period that Axl don't want remember.
But maybe I'm wrong.

Of course, I will be happy with just seeing the band live in L.A. for the first since 1992. I like the setlist they've used this year and I am sure they will include other selections as the tour progresses. I thought I would start a thread for tracks you hope to hear on their 2006-2007 (?) tour that have yet to be played.

My requests:

1. Anything from the new album ("T.W.A.T," "Catcher...," etc.)

2. "You're Crazy" (Lies Version)

3. "Civil War"

4. "Double Talkin' Jive"

5. "Yesterdays"

6. "Estranged"

7. "Pretty Tied Up"

How about you guys?!

 8)

GN'R has NEVER played my favorite song in their entire catalog:  Don't Damn Me.

I'm not holding my breath at this point, though.

They won't be playing songs that most people are not familiar with (Illusions filler songs, as much as we love them they are not well known). The setlist will stay somewhat similar IMO, with more CD songs...

TWAT

Don't Damn Me

Shadow Of Your Love

Nice Boys w/ baz

Those would be Awesome

I thought they played that track at the tour warm-ups in 91?

 :peace: COMA  :beer:  :peace:

they wont play somgs like that period

Are you implying that Patience is a Illusion's song? If so, that's the best joke i've heard all day!

Catcher In The Rye
Rhiad & The Bedouins
Oh My God
Civil War
Don't Cry (w/ Baz)
Yesterdays
Estranged
Shadow Of Your Love (!!!)
Move To The City (c'mon, this would sound so sick)

ANYTHING previously unheard!!!! (after the album is out i would expect...)

Like most have said, Don't Cry and Civil War wouldn't suprise me, but I don't think anything else would be played.  I'd really like to see a more balanced set though, maybe something like this:

Jungle, It's so Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Nightrain, Paradise City, Sweet Child O' Mine, Rocket Queen, My Michelle
Patience
Don't Cry, Live and Let Die, November Rain
Civil War, Knocking On Heaven's Door, You could be Mine
Chinese Democracy, TWAT, Madagascar, Better, IRS, the Blues

I'd love to hear Estranged and Don't Damn Me added to the set list, and also Pretty Tied up.

I know this isn't an Illusion song.. but when I was at Inland Invasion and Bach started to sing Nice Boys... that woulda been awesome!

Nice Boys duet with Bach!

Double Talk Jive, Don't Damn Me, Bad Apples, Locomotive, Black Leather, Hair of the Dog, and maybe something from Chinese Democracy (lol)

COMA.....LOCOMOTIVE  ENOUGH SAID

Coma and Don't Cry.

Civil War definitely.

civil war coma and one in a million would be fucking sick. I would kill to hear therm play one in a million over most of the other other songs.

Don't Cry and Civil War.

Civil War and Estranged

how about the same old playlist :peace:

I think Don't Cry is the most likely if we get anything else. ?

T.W.A.T.
Estranged
Double Talkin' Jive
Coma
Don't Cry

I just have 2 requests. "Civil War" and when Izzy is around "Double Talkin' Jive."

As for songs that need to be dropped quick:

- Out Ta Get Me (Axl can't really nail it anymore)
- Patience
- Live And Let Die
- Knockin' On Heaven's Door

Don't Cry
Estranged
Dead Horse
Yesterdays

Songs I'd like to see them drop
November Rain
KOHD
Patience
Mr. Brownstone


Songs I'd like them to add
Dead Horse
Civil War
Yesterdays

While trying to kepe it somewhat realistic, for me it would look somthing like this:
1. Jungle
2. Its So easy
3. Nightrain
4. New Song
5. New Song
6. Civil War
7. You Could be Mine
8. Out Ta Get me
9. Rocket Queen
10. New Song
11. New Song
12. New Song
13. Live and Let Die
14. Dead Horse
15. Sweet Child O' Mine
16. Yesterdays
17. New Song
18. New Song
19. You Ain't the First
20. Paradise city

Dont Cry
Anything Goes
Reckless Life
Move to the City
TWAT
Oh My God

Estranged
Breakdown
Estranged
Estranged
Estranged
Double Talkin' Jive
Estranged
Coma

Oh, and did I mention Estranged?

I wuld argue that big time. In my opinion when I saw them at Hammerstein that was the best performance of the night bar none. And Out Ta Get Me is nowhere near my fav Gn'R song but the band as well as Axl did in fact "Nail" that night.

I would like to see them drop

KOHD
My Micheal
IRS
Used to love her
Live and let die

It's been said a bunch but...FULL version of Don't Cry, and some new ones

Yesterdays is essential for me... I'd love to hear the new band play it. Still my favorite GNR song, past or present.

Other than that, and maybe working Think About You back into the setlist, I'd be happy to hear more new stuff from CD.

oh and I forgot... bring back the old version of Knockin' On Heaven's Door!!! or don't play it at all... :no:

Heck yes... I'm not a fan of the sleep-inducing version they've adopted either.

I agree, when I saw that in Vegas it was one of the highlights of the night.

1. Yesterdays

2. Civil War

3. Dead Horse

Estranged and Civil War...

Plus some new songs.  Drop OTGM and ISE.  :peace:

HELLS YES! Dont Damn Me would rock - some people at the show wouldn't know if it was new or old.

that would be the best addition of them all I think.

I booo the thought of Estranged.  I love that song but have never liked it live. In fact I think all Gn'R ballads are terrible live. except for Sweet Child(is that a ballad?)

i was implying the hole in your statement that "they are just playing appetite + november rain (because they have to) + live and let die and then the new songs" you forgot they are also playing KOHD and patience.

I'd like CW and Estranged.? As a matter of fact, I'd be as happy as a pig in shit if I got both of those songs at a concert...? :peace:

I'd like to see them play:

Civil War
Perfect Crime
Yesterdays
TWAT

KOHD 2006 is one of the absolute highlights for me. I can't believe people on here don't appreciate it. Axl's so awesome on that one. Dream on about "You Ain't The First" while bitching about KOHD and IRS. Jesus titty-fuckin' christ. If you can't say anything nice then shut your gob.

I love Jarmo. He's more GN'R than anyone else on here. :)

Drop:
Live And Let Die
My Michelle
Knockin' On Heaven's Door (Not cuz it sucks but takes up 10 minutes)
Think About You
Fortus & Bumble Solos

Add:
TWAT
Rhiad and the Bedouins
Don't Cry
You're Crazy

Now, these are VERY doable... It's not like I'm asking for Don't Damn me, Estranged, Locomotive & Coma...

I was drunk* when I wrote that post. Please don't give me bad karma.



*still am.

civil war, estranged, locomotive...and how about that song...whats it called...oh yeah DONT CRY!!!!! i could actually really go for perfect crime as well

To be honest. Id like to mix things up like some nights play Nice Boys instead of My Michelle. some nights play Yesterdays instead of Think About You. Some Nights Used To Love Her..Some Estranged some Dont Cry,Cival War. Just mix up bit to bit to keep concerts and the band fresh. Mixed in with new songs though of course. But you get my drift.

well, im hoping that since my show is a later show, Everett on the dec 10th, that the album might be out or damn near n theyll be playing a lot more new songs...but to be honest i couldnt give that much of a fuck, be the best show ever for me since i have never been to a guns n' roses concert and im totally fukin obsessed lol. :hihi:

You sumed it all up very nicely here my friend - November 8th at the Centrum will be my first GNR show - my first live concert (in an arena) as a matter of fact.
But here is my two cents.

Drop:
Live & Let Die (So commercial, so Greatest Hits) - I am not too fond of this song.

Add:
There Was A Time
Civil War - MAYBE my all time favorite GNR song
Don't Damn Me - Highly unlikely

***Knockin' On Heaven's Door Is Awesome IMO - Some stuff has to change, and this version rocks.
***Don't Cry would be nice, but I would rather Civil War.
***Coma & Estranged would fucking kick ass as a second ENCORE..... After Paradise City (the first encore) Break into Coma then Estranged. Holy shit, I would fucking go crazy....

I would like to see more UYI stuff in their shows, but hey - whatever AXL wants to play is fine with me, all their stuff rocks. But I must say, someone above said something about "You Ain't The First" - - - - - -  ???

/NorthwindNS

Civil War....... nothing else has to be said... well, maybe.... LOCOMOTIVE?

I'd like them to drop Brownstone (unless Izzy is there, it's his song, and I've never been a huge fan of it live either way) LALD (I like it better live, but it's still probably my least favorite GNR single), Patience and Think About You (same as Brownstone), It's So Easy (great song, but little Axl input from all accounts) My Michelle (just not that huge a fan of it compared to other stuff in the catalogue)

What'd Id put in, aside from any and all new stuff we haven't heard yet(trying to keep it somewhat realistic and exluding stuff Axl had little to nothing to do with): Estranged, Sway (if they want another cover to replace LALD), Civil War, Catcher In The Rye, Don't Cry, Yesterdays

There are way too many threads about what songs they are playing, what songs they aren't playing, what songs they should drop, what songs they should add - for this North American tour.

I suppose I am taking the job away from the MODS - I am truly sorry.

/NorthwindNS

Play:
-Estranged
-Civil War
-Coma
-Yesterdays
-Don't Cry

Stop playing those please (or play them only eventually):
-KOHD
-Live and Let Die
-Patience
-Out to Get Me
-My Michelle

I just wanna hear some more Illusion era stuff along with a few more new songs. I'd like to hear Don't Cry, Bad Obsession, Dead Horse, Estranged, and Civil War. They could eliminate My Michelle, OTGM,LALD,and KOHD for all i care. Not that i don't like those songs- cuz i do, but i'd just like to see more illusion stuff and not covers(lald & kohd).

I am right there with you one Live and Let die - waste of time in the set if you ask me.

agree, i never really like that song live.

id like to have heard a lot more illusions stuff, material that was never played with the original line up.

but now i'll just settle for more new material  :peace:

Pretty tied up. Always have been one of my favorites.

Yeah agree 100% the covers must go..do new songs. :yes:

Right on Brother! Probably won'y happen. Apparently Guns like to keep it nice, safe and predictable. Why would they wanna switch things up or call an "audible" After all this is the most dangerous band in the world! :peace:

Add:
TWAT
Civil War
Estranged

Drop:
My Michelle
Out Ta Get Me
Live and Let Die

Oh My God, My World, Coma, Estranged, Civil War, Don't Cry w/vocals... I bet Pittman could do My World while Axl sings..

need to lose- heavens door, live & let, its so easy, you could be mine, out ta get me, brownstone, michelle

add in there place- dont cry, civil war, dont damn me, chi democracy,  the general, this i love, thyme, etc (more new stuff!)

If they want to be taken in as a new chapter they need to stick with new songs. Dont reintroduce old songs.


Setlist should be

From Appetite: Jungle, Easy, Brownstone, Nightrain, Sweet Child, Rocket Queen, Paradise City

dropped: out ta get me(corny for a 44year old man), my michelle (sounds dated), think about you (maybe sometimes)

From Illusions: You Could Be Mine, Heavens Door (save for later in set, it kills the mood), November Rain

dropped: Live and Let Die should just be shot, I cant stand it.

From Chinese: AS MANY SONGS AS YOU CAN POSSIBLY FIT.


Change the rotation too, Jungle would be killer towards the end of the set. Same with Sweet Child, that song really needs to be an encore or the song before the encore.

I concur with many of the more recent posts: Live and Let Die should be dropped. The song is just boring.

Chinese Democracy
Welcome to the Jungle
You Could Be Mine
Don't Cry
Better
NEW SONG
NEW SONG
Dead Horse
Civil War
Nightrain
Sweet Child O'Mine
T.W.A.T.
NEW SONG
NEW SONG
Patience
Estranged
Sympathy for the Devil
Rocket Queen

ENCORE:
NEW SONG (Epic Ballad)
Paradise City

I would ficking kill to hear ONE IN A MILLION NOV. 10 ;D

Why do you all hate Live and let die!!! It is one of my favourite GNR songs.  In my opinion it is also the best cover ever made. It is just brilliant. GNR took a shity song and made it there own. It should never be dropped.

I want to hear more songs of Chinese Democracy,

New line up = new songs.My opinion.

I am certain it wont happen, but I would kill to see this set list?

Don?t Damn Me
Mr. Brownstone
Better
It?s so Easy
Madagascar
Chinese Democracy
Don?t Cry
Used To Love Her
Rocket Queen
[New Song]
[Guitar Solo]
Welcome to the Jungle
Dust N? Bones (w/ Izzy Stradlin)
There Was a Time
Coma
The Blues
[Guitar Solo]
Sweet Child O?Mine
[New Song]
Civil War
14 Years (w/ Izzy Stradlin)
Knockin? On Heaven?s Door (Illusion Era)

Encore 1:
Patience
Catcher in the Rye

Encore 2:
Estranged

Paradise City

Can I pinch you to wake you up? Hahaha.. just kidding.  I'd love to see it to, but you're right, I doubt we'll see it.  I'd be in shock if it did.. in a good way

 :beer:

I'm probably not going if it is the exact same show. ?I'd like to see them do like they did in the old days and mix up the setlist from night to night. ?Each night, you know you're going to get:

Jungle, Sweet Child, Patience, Paradise City
Better, IRS, November Rain, Nighttrain

But beyond that, they could mix it up with new songs, old songs & covers - like they did in Wembley.

I'm all for losing KOHD, Live and Let Die, and Mr Brownstone from the set list - although I think Axl includes those every time because they're easier for him to sing. ?Mr Brownstone and Its So Easy serve as a "break" for him vocally.

HAHA...I vote Checkmate..

Sorry...I just had to....

I agree.  They'll never drop the hits because those are the songs that still sell tickets.  If people pay $100 to see a show with all new songs, they're not going to appreciate it at all.  You need the classics to sell tickets.  GNR is SCOM, PC, Jungle, NR, ISE, RQ, etc... the new stuff needs to be heard before it can be fully appreciated

 :peace:

I was at Hammerstein for the Sunday show and they didn't do Madagascar, I hope that doesn't happen again

i dont know...maybe from AFD....wttj, ite, mb, pc, scom
From lies...patience
UYI 1 and 2
dc, nr, ycbm, although bad obsession would be cool...or pretty tied up...civil war definetly.....and a big ole bunch of new stuff!!

if ya do covers...let the other guys sing like duff and izzy used to!

I would love to see yesterdays..or evem something more obscure like back off bitch.

I'm just about bored enough to come up with a setlist... lol

Welcome To The Jungle
It's So Easy
Mr. Brownstone (those 3 songs at the start of the show are perfect)
COVER TO REPLACE LIVE AND LET DIE (preferably one of the ones they did at Wembley)
Knockin' On Heaven's Door
Better
NEW SONG
NEW SONG
Richard Fortus solo/duet with Robin Finck (hopefully changing the song they play around a bit)
Sweet Child O' Mine
Bumblefoot solo/Don't Cry
NEW SONG
Dizzy solo
The Blues
Axl solo
November Rain
NEW SONG
NEW SONG
Nightrain
Madagascar
Rocket Queen
I.R.S
Chinese Democracy
Used To Love Her
Paradise City

I couldnt really care less about what the setlist is, but I will be disappointed it TWAT isnt played as a regular

Add:

Civil War
Bad Apples
Pretty Tied Up
Yesterdays
Bad Obsession

Remove:

It's So Easy
Mr Brownstone


That's the only two I dislike (bear in mind I haven't seen much from this years concert bar the Rock Am Ring performances)

in addition to TWAT, I wouldnt mind Civil War and Estranged

I would love to hear Estranged but playing more Illusions would be taking a step into the past. I think we have a better shot hearing more news songs than more Illusions. 

I'm not gonna make a fantasy set that includes the likes of Locomotive or Coma, so I'll make a realistic set:

Chinese Democracy
It's So Easy
Live And Let Die
Better
Mr. Browstone
*New Song*
Catcher in the Rye
Sweet Child O'Mine
Riyadh & the Bedouins
November Rain
*New Song*
Madagascar
I.R.S
Don't Cry
T.W.A.T
*New Song*
Nightrain
*New Song*

Encore:
Welcome to the Jungle
*New Song*
Paradise City

I think eventually they'll need to get a new closer as well. And they can always substitute ISO or Brownstone with Out ta Get Me or Don't Cry with Civil War, stuff like that...

Don't know if this will make any sense , but I always thought Live and Let die would make a great opener, but if it's not played as an opener, drop it completely. I've never really liked it. KOHD, I love the new version - very cool mellowed out. Whoever said drop Brownstone , I disagree completely - Keep it around

I love the fact the majority of people here love the obscure Illusion songs - there are still people who will show up to these shows who upon hearing Breakdown, will probably ask someone " Is this a new tune" ????

Yeah this guy has a point.. I played Locomotive around my friend once and he said "Is this new GNR?"

I think the My Michelle with Baz should be dropped. Would much rather hear Yesterdays in its place.

I bet setlist will remain the same as Europe - that was their warmup for the full fledged US tour

they should definatley do dont cry and estranged, i think the new band would rock if they played estranged, got alot of talented players

Welcome To The Jungle
It's So Easy
Mr. Brownstone
Better
Live And Let Die
Sweet Child O' Mine
The Blues
November Rain
There Was A Time
You Could Be Mine
I.R.S
Patience
Madagascar
Civil War
Chinese Democracy
Paradise City

play those, add a few more new tunes and remove most of the solo spots, and i'd be one happy camper.

If its out before some of the dates on the tour, should we expect to hear the same line up of songs? or will we be hearing the 12 or so new GNR tracks and then about 7 or 8 classic songs? which would those classics be? Obviousl SCOM , WTTJ, PC .. but whats the others gonna be?

I would much rather new tracks at this concert.. thoughts?

NR, Patience, WTTJ, SCOM, PC for sure .... i think they should do DC too but that's for another thread :hihi:

and throw in one or 2 of YCBM, ISE, NT and MrB every once in a while :peace:

I hope we hear a mixture of new and old on the upcoming tour.  You definetly need the old but can't keep playing the same old shit.

im pretty sure the only reason axl hasn't been playing any more new songs is because he's already played half the album live. im sure we'll hear new songs after the release.

I think for the first part of the tour before the album comes out you'll probably get much of the same as we've heard so far this year, with the song that is the first single added in if it is not a song we have already heard. And then after the album comes out, the remaining dates will be treated to a set of pretty much all new songs with the required classics like SCOM, WTTJ, NR, and PC tossed in there.