Here Today... Gone To Hell!

You think there will be something this weekend, or early next week about Axl's plans for the release of the album

would think so, yes!

well, if general is going to be leaked aswell, then axl HAS to do something

must be man

PLEASE PLEASE axl step up and do something!!!!!!!!!!! your album seems to be leaking!!!!! ? :'(

(great songs tho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) ?:D

Someone has to address these leaks-and NOT thru the mods of messageboards. They gotta say something.

Yes
I'm sure he'll tell someting soon
With too many leaks coming... he's being forced to release the CD

For all we know, the label themselves are leaking demos because axl asked for another extension on recording and the label are using it as a way to make Axl act.

that would be cruel......what if axl doesnt want bucket to be on the record anymore........and he must have the time to re-record them??

I think he really has no choice at this time.  Some type of statement has to come out.

I argee that Axl pretty much has to make some move to address these leaks. And that move will probably be either the announcement of a release date or that the cd is nowhere near finished and these demos are just rough versions of the songs and won't sound like that on the final cd or that they won't be on the cd at all.

iexpect something next week. it`d be really weird if we?d get nothing....

I sure hope it's some good news about the album coming out soon.  Damn that'll just make me hyper as hell  :yes:

I think there has to be some word from management officially about this.

It is a shame but as I said, I will buy the album twice.

Silence would not surprise me.

I hate to say it, but I'm agreeing with Punk here and find myself leaning more to the side of no response...It's not mandatory.

Didn't he already address them?  He said we'd hear music this year!

I think that next time gnr play live axl is going to go into the biggest rant in history  ;)

Ya you can definately bank on that.  Should be fun to hear

Where should we keep an eye on for an announcement? the official site? geffens web site? sanctuary? im confused....

In the world of axl rose one never really knows.. We have though this in the past.. Seeing he has been out and about and these leaks I think it's as good as time as any

Yeah.. I totally wouldn't be suprised if we heard nothing for a while after all this.

With the events of the last week there must be chaos over at Camp GNR.

There must be some kind of official announcement coming soon. (...maybe they will be forced to announce the release date...?)

I'm expecting it to come Monday or sometime next week.

READ the board before POSTING!



/jarmo

it'll come out when its ready. this will force nothing.

100% agreed.   

i sure hope that until the end of the week axl says something official : ok:

what about u?

By Friday, just a feeling............ : ok:

It's just a matter of a few days... :yes:

I could see a release date before the end of this month. But, if the're's no release date til' after March 1st, then I woulden't be that suprised.

the next press release we get will have a vast amount of info.....

band lineup
the leaks
the single/video
album
tour

and a line that says skippy!

Truth! ?oooooooooohhhhhhhh I'm so excited again! Haven't felt this way since "oh my god" or RIR 2001 :beer: :drool: :love:

You are so right!  I can't fuckin' wait!!  He's had to put up with so much bull-shit without fighting back.  It'll be great to see him come out with both barrels blazing!! 

 :beer:

The whole ball game, in fact.

why does jarmo always replies with READ BEFORE POSTING in threads related to a statement? is there anything official going or regarding this?

I pm-ed Madison on mygnr.com, this is what I got

Re:Official Announcement ( From: madison )
Thanks for your note. :)

Yes, there's a lot of speculation that an official statement will come this week or next. I can't verify it at this time -- but I think they need to make a statement very soon if they want to keep the buzz and momentum going until the album's release....
madison is a member of the Admins group and has 13012 posts.
Sent on: Today, 06:45 PM

So idk, I'm thinking it'd better be soon...we'll see.

I would say within the next 3 weeks.  But I would settle for sooner. ;)

i belive that we will have the announcement in a couple of days.. thats my guess... Atleast early next week..

For some reason I have a gut feeling that we will get something tomorrow. I was thinking about this earlier and I was just putting some pieces together. All these announcements about GN'R playing some shows came from the festivals' official websites which are hosted overseas. Today is a national holiday in the US and thats why I think we haven't got an official announcement from the GN'R camp about all this stuff (leaks, gigs, ect...).?

Anyone remember when Maynard's site had the gnr mention; he mentioned something that could have been interpreted as a double album...........

I'll be very disapointed if it's not a double album...12 years inthe making ,CD need to have more than 12-15 tracks...

"Round 2 " :smoking:

i would think we'll get one about the festivals, hopefully. :drool:

I'd say points B & C are the most realistic to expect.  Not so sure about A or D.

-darknemus

just wait for the announcement and you`ll see it :hihi:

I would hope that the tracklist is also announced. If not on the release day announcement, then immediately following. We knew what the UYI tracklist was a month or two before it was released.

C, D and a little B i hope  :)

Was there an email or something saying an announcement was coming or something? I saw another post that said can't wait for the announcement on Friday. then this thread. What's going on?

I dont think they'll release the tracklist to prevent downloading before the album is released

What announcement?
Have they set a date or something for an announcement now?
Or are you talking about in general?

-Eirik

Really? where is this info from?

I second that, Man you go to sleep for 6 hours and you miss everything :rofl:

I heard wednesday, but dont say anything. Its top secret! :rofl:

Ah a reliable source then huh ::) :rofl: :rofl:

I'm fairly certain an announcement will come this week.  Here's the man reasons why:

A. Now that these Festival stories are out there, Sanctuary's phones / email / Press contact people must be going crazy, as i'm sure most music news outlets are trying to get something more out of them.

B. Jarmo's comment about "when we're about to move, you'll know"  - I'm not saying that HTGTH's move is tied into this, for sure - but its my belief that it quite possibly is.  (And guys, don't bug HTGTH staff about this stuff.  Even if they know everything, they're obviously not talking for a reason)

C. In business, you strike while the iron is hot.  Lets face it, the iron's never been hotter than it is right now, with the possible exception of 2002.  (And I maintain that, general public speaking, now has more impact than then.  Especially with IRS being played all over the damn place)

Hence why I believe we're going to get an announcement soon.  By the end of this week more than likely.  I'd personally say in the next 24-48 hours or so, but we'll see.

Jarmo and the gang - please don't take my comments about HTGTH personally - they're not meant that way.  Just my interpretation of the situation, thats all.

Peace out, Rock on, and all that.

-darknemus

we could upload fake chinese democarcy`s on file sharing programs....  anyone with me? :hihi:

could confuse psople who want to download it, so they`ll actually end up buying it.... :hihi:

Just some elaborate brainstorming on point B...but could HTGTH be moving to GNRonline???

Valid reasons to suspect something I suppose, but no actual official word from Merck or anything that says "We're gonna address the current rumors and leaks surrounding Guns N Roses"

That's what I understood by the posts. So just clearing things up.

Officially everything is still hearsay, I think it's important that we understand that

No, I really doubt HTGTH moves to gnronline.  To begin with, gnronline is an Interscope owned site.  Not a Sanctuary owned one.

-darknemus

The title of this thread is really misleading for instance

Should be something like:

"Expected Announcement? When will it be? What will they say?"

I basically meant that I have a feeling it'd become an official message board, more than anything else. 

Why don't we just wait till the end of the week and see what the announcement is? Only gotta wait another 72 hours... We've waited 15 years already, another 72 hours isn't gonna kill anyone.

actually those 72 hours are harder than the last 3 years i`m spending with gnr :hihi:

..... i agree with you though : ok:

We know but there's no need to bug us cause I can assure you that moving the site had nothing to do with all of this. It was pure coincidence. Nothing more, no conspiracy theories there...

Gigger, speak for yourself. In 24 hours, I'm on suicide watch. :hihi:

who sez 72 hours?

Nobody, it's an opinion

Quoted for the truth.

For your information: The move was planned before the leaks or announcements happened.

Since nothing happened with the move at the time, instead of waiting and having people ask me when I was gonna move/open the board/site, I decided to keep the board open until I had a possible moving date.

Sometimes the truth isn't as exciting as your theories.



/jarmo

Do you have an opinion or a wild guess on when we will get an official announcement? :hihi:

No.

And I don't know when the move will happen either..... As soon as I know, I will post about it.



/jarmo

Thanks, I guess I'll remain on watch until it happens, lol at my productivity at work since last Wednesday. :hihi:

Axl better hurry up then!  : ok:

"Due to recent various internet leaks and repeated ignoring of requests not play mention, post lyrics to, or stop playing on the radio, management regrets to inform fans that CD will not be out in stores nor will there be any concerts for the remainder of this decade. "

lol, I think the outgoing message on Merck's answering machine has been changed.

Yea I haven't been worth a damn since last week.  God help me when the announcement comes. :hihi:

^^I know how you feel; its hard to focus wen I'm constantly searching to see if any news comes out

"Guns N' Roses will be playing festivals but there is no release date set for Chinese Democracy."

In the official announcement, I'd like to see Axl tell the release date, talk about the first single/video and when that will hit the airwaves, talk about when they plan to tour in America, explain what really happened at the Philly concert, and also explain what has been going on the past 3 years to hold him back from releasing the album all this time. ?

"What really happened in Philly is well, after the show in NYC, me and the guys went to Ricks, than Scores, than 10s.   Due to the fact the rest of the band looks like a bunch of freaks, and scared the girls, I had to nail about 2 dozen of the finest strippers NYC has to offer.  I was just to fucking busy and tired to make it down to Philly.  Fuck em anyway, they booed Santa so they'd bo me to and i can't handle that type of rejection"

Man, this silence is KILLLLING me

Maybe we should just have a little patience...

yeeaaaahhh.  ;)

probably the most overused joke ever.  if you could even call it that.

Or, Axl will crawl back into his hole for another 5 years.

Thats what worries me. Just because he does Rio dont mean shit. We've been down that road before. We've got to have the album before any festivals. If not, then it looks like 2002 all over again. :nervous:

if this turns out to be 2002 all over again, axl might as well pack it up. i hate to say it, but it's true. i would think the label would have to step in at some point. Technically the label owns those songs, they paid for them.

I'm happy I'm not the only one.   Anyone else here walking around at work with a dumb-ass fucking grin on their face?  I know I am!  People must be thinking, "Damn, is he getting laid every night?"  Good shit.  : ok:

Yeah man.. this hype destroys productivity to no end!

You are not used to it yet?

Silence is ok, but it's the humidity that is a bitch..........

I had that smile in 2002..........it's tough to replicate for 2006.

So I wait patiently with a demo playing loudly in my car in the meantime.

After such a surge in news, it's tough to get back into the groove dude!  especially when you're expecting SOMETHING

It's tough to come down from such highs

The longer it remains silent, the more im freaking out. I really want things to work out for them this time around and guns n roses to rule the rock world once again.However, it makes me sad to think that we will never get to see slash & axl grace a stage togethor ever again

and that song twat makes me real sad when i listen to it, so im calling it quits for a while.
 :'(

Its either gonna be REALLY soon , like in the next  couple of days/a week, or, MUCH later...like at RIR.  No in betweens.  If there is none at all....it'll be disappointing, but I'll live.  After going through so many years of silence, aren't you guys used to it by now?  At least now we're getting new music via the leaks and some killer concert announcements.  More then we've gotten in a loooooooooong time.

I assume www.gunsnroses.com will be opened soon? Or the statement will be on www.gnronline.com ???

According to Merck "The album's Not Done"

Let's hope the whole fucking thing is leaked  because we may never otherwise hear it.

jmapelian, it doesn't make sense to tour without an album (see 2002 tour).
in 2002 he got away with it to reintroduce GN'R.
Then again, it's Axl, anything's possible.

even if they make an announcement they'll never give us an official release date.. :rant:

There is no chance in hell they will tour without an album out.  That is almost a 100% certainty people.  If he does, it will be a huge joke to even us hardcore fans.

ITS Mercks Fault  :rofl: that clown.

I'm getting concerned that an official announcement hasn't been made yet.  :-[ Perhaps, there is a bigger shoe to drop. Is Axl holding back on us for a reason? Could Slash be coming back? Could CD still be unfinished by the time of the festivals? Is Tommy's status uncertain too?

I'd wait for GnR or their Management to confirm these shows before getting excited

And that 2002 tour you mentioned wasn't such a good thing

And I was at the Philly show :hihi:

Like in 2002, right?  oh wait.....

And I remember reading similar posts in 02.

I remember what happened afterwards........I remember that.....well this is going to be his second comeback.... he doesn't have too many chances left does he? or is he a cat?

No I think it's a make-or-break time for Axl.  He needs for this album to drop, do interviews, play concerts ON TIME, the whole nine yards or no one is going to take this incarnation of GNR seriously.  Alot of the press and average fans are already skeptical, he needs to put those people to rest.

Am I the only one who finds it odd that the bands "official" site makes no mention of the "confirmed" "2006Tour" dates?

Or their site still says 2002 World Tour :hihi: :rofl:

I notice there are some comments Axl made regarding the Download festival

Could this be the major announcement that Gigger etc.. have alluded to or was this major announcment confirmation of Rio.

These guys definitley alluded it to it pertaining to a release date if im not mistaken  :-\


If Axl doesnt do it right this time, its all over

I've read that that site is run by Geffen, so I doubt we're gonna get any info from there.

Let's not jump ahead.  They've announced some festivals.  They have not announced a tour.

And this site is funded or affiliated with Sanctuary....yet we get no info either :hihi:

actually, the festivals made the anouncements, nothing from Axl :-\

the tickets for the dublin show go on sale tommorrow,so why hasnt there been "THAT" official statement regarding these dates yet.im a bit confused as to why these shows are out there without a statement about them.surely something should be said before tickets go on sale.

I wonder why too, perhaps they are still figuring out places to play..........Rock am Ring tickets go on sale 1 march.....tickets will be more expensice then....that is when most big festivals have confirmed there full acts


I think we will get an announcent at the end of februar / begin march

shhh!!!! be vewy vewy quiet about that one...   ;)

DOES ANYBODY THINK THAT THE SHOWS WE KNOW OF ARE THE ONLY SHOWS OR DO YOU THINK THAT WHEN WE GET AN ANNOUNCEMENT,IT WILL INCLUDE A FULL BLOWN TOUR.

I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD TURN YOUR CAPS LOCK OFF!!  YOU'RE "YELLING"!!

That being said...I think we'll get more dates.  Almost sure of it, actually.

this is exactly why I am going.  i'm not going to take that chance.  I can't believe I am doing something so crazy, I am scared to death to fly, let alone go that far from home, so i guess you might call it "A Bad Obsession".

i hate caps lock ?:hihi:.do you think it will be a full blown tour with the album close by

How should we know? We'll just have to wait and see..

thats what im thinking.i want to wait and see if they do a show like the manchester men arena or the nec in birmingham but im afraid of losing out on the dublin and download tickets.

Am I the only one some of these festivals jumped the gum in announcing GnR at these shows?  Axl mentioned the one, but where is the confirmation from Axl?  One of the band members posted the dates on his website but when have the band members known anything?

We've been hearing from band memebers I don't know for sure but it should be soon for 6 years now?

I'd be taking it with a grain of salt until Axl or merck makes a statement on Axl's behlaf confirming any dates.  To do otherwise is etting yourself up for dissapointment.

Why would these festivals make this up? :crying:

I'll think we'll get a full EURO tour and album(s if the GH rumor is to be believed) release date soon (and yes, I think soon is the word).  I think plans for a US tour will have to wait until promoters stateside see how GnR handles their Euro dates, and how the public recieves the new material.  I don't doubt, for a second, that a full blown US tour is Axl's (and GnR's) goal...

Keep in mind, I'm speculating wildly based on what very, very, very little info I have.

If Axl wants to re-record without Bucket this album is never gonna show up. And besides, even Axl must admit Bucket did a great job on the new material.

My take on all of this, and I try to comment on some of the things that are said in this thread.

GNRonline.com is run by Geffen, but Geffen just said that they don't even know which label will put CD out, them or Universal, so that's why there's nothing on that site.

Some people seem to be upset about Merck's comment that the album is not finished. Did you pay any attention to what Axl said??

The shows are confirmed and I am very sure that we will get more dates in the coming days. The ball is rolling. I guess the GH2 thing last year has something to do with it. In am sure that CD will be out at least by Rock In Rio. Everybody knows that. It's literally the last chance. If CD does not come out before or at least during the coming tour, then its over. Universal are already pissed, we witnessed that. And if Guns fail again, they will drop them. I'm sure Axl and Merck are aware of this.

So calm down people. We will have more tourdates, we will have a press release soon, and a release date in May at the latest.

If not, I'm giving up.


/lastroots

good post.  : ok:

I reckon there will be a press release at end februari beginning of march the latest..... why? Most big festivals confirm there acts on 1 march....ticket sale will be more expensive then too........and by that time......guns will have their full European tour scedual and deals ready.... The album will definetely be released for Rio....axl wants his album to sink in...before actually playing it live.....otherwise you might not get the response you'd hope for..... Playing Madagascar for instance will get a huger response when it's actually released and when people know the tune a bit......etc

no worrys!! These days will be great :beer:

I'm not shocked that there wasn't an announcement this week, after all it is Guns N' Roses, however at the same time I did think there might be an announcement of some kind ... even if it was just the usually brief press release confirming that GNR will be making some festival appearances and that they're putting the usual finishing touches on Chinese Democracy.

If they don't make some kind of half-assed announcement by the beginning of March, I really won't know what to make of their scheduled appearances, I mean, you'd think management would have say something about those, wouldn't you?  Even if it was just to say that the band is going to appear and nothing beyond that.

Agree 100%. The way I look at it if the album hasn't released by the time of the Dublin concert I'm going to, then I'm giving up on GnR. The Dublin concert will be like a last hooray and then i'm off the forums for good except just to check how the tour goes.

I think they are just making sure everything is set in stone and perfectly in place before giving the official announcement. Gnr made mtv news so I am guessing Merck figures that is enough to get people talking this weekend about Gnr.. then next week he'll hit us with the official statement to keep the iron hot...... I hope. :peace:

thats exactly what im trying to say.i dont even want to buy my tickets until ive heard an announcement.its a lot of money to end up wasting when there might turn out to be a show only half an hour away from where i live,instead of 5 hours.or no show at all.

You'd think. Maybe people do think. Not me.

You really think Universal or whoever would let GNR tour without an album again,and taking the risk that it might end in a desaster like 2002? No way they'd let that happen again. So since GNR has booked some shows, i'm confident the album's coming right away..

Assuming thgese shows happen, they are not part of a GNR tour. GNR is one supposed band out of many acts at these four festivals.

Remember after RIR 2004 was announced, mysteron said, the show is coming along with a new product? then BH quit,there was no show and no new product. So now, 2 years later rir is announced again and apperently coming along with a new product, i think, when bucket wouldn't have left, we would have had CD since 2004.

Hopefully we get the record before Rio. I mean they cant tour without a record again, or a least a date for it. Plus, I would rather have heard the songs before they play them live. I think it would be a mistake going into the Rio show without the record being released, especially if they plan on playing new songs.

well spotted.that sounds pretty good.

Oh please. Gimme a break. I see you're easily swayed by propoganda. Dont blame BH. Axl could have done the AFD rehash thing without him at Rio.

I'm not saying it's the reason why RIR was cancelled, but i think it's  (one of) the reason(s) why CD has been pushed back...

best point I ever heard you make : ok:

If the management doesnt give us an announcment till next week, then they're FUCKED, concerning those new leaks that are going to appear
i can't understand they're just sitting they're doing nothing

what are they? fuckin idiots?

This whole thing makes no damn sense at all...tracks are being leaked left and right but yet nobody has anything to say, not even Axl or the label and then all the GNR members are on a gag order?

First we were going to have a big statement on Wed. night...then tonight...nothing.  Let me guess, we'll have something tomorrow and the next night/day/week/month?

This is all manipulating bullshit and I for am am tired of all the games.

Gives us a statement and give us the release date or just sit there, say nothing, and watch 12-13 years of hard work go to waste when every damn song is leaked.

Jesus....

again, something you could have said in the numerous other threads

we're pretty much just the bitches. yank.
i wish things would move along already... there's only so many times you can refresh the same goddamn page before you go clinically insane.

true that


i neeeeeeeeeeeeeed at least one leak tonight

that will tide me over

and its prime time for one since no mods are around

Sanctuary does not have the capacity to deliver and distribute an album right now--they have no money, and millions of debt. 

Interscope/Universal are under an Enron like "paper" scandal.   In addition, GNR, might not be with Universal anymore.  It's a bizarre situation. 

It's a wonder why and how any of us still have faith.

What lable IS GnR on now?

who knows.....these demos can be so far removed from the final copies that axl could care less if they are leaked or is behind them. if he and merck refuse to condemn the leaks i say leak everything we got

Geffen/Interscope from what I've read but nothing is ever 100% in the GNR world.

notice how gnr is not listed on any of the record labels' websites. i remember it was on geffen or interscope a few months ago...damn i cant remember which.

tracks leaked left and right,  no no no, rumors of tracks leaked left and right, unless your holding out

yeah, well there have been like 5000 new threads in the last week.  We sure as hell aren't going to read every one of them. 

Yep but ya can't tell some people that.

i have a feeling that we are gonna hear something today,monday 27th.maybe just about the shows but i just have this feeling. :beer:

there was a product: GH

it was set in stone from the beginnig, either GH or chinese democracy : ok:

*Official Announcement Soon? What Will Be In It?*

While there are a few live apperances planned, i am not expecting an official announcement. I'm not even sure that March will bring anything new.

I think that they could announce the tour schedule like they did in 2002.

In 2002, we got a press release with an Axl interview for the August shows and then a regular press release for the North American shows.

I guess we could get something similar this time. Hopefully soon since it seems like a lot of people are waiting for it...




/jarmo

Like me, for example.

I just want fucking confirmation that Axl definatly knows that he's got some shows comming up.  >:(

I THINK the PR we're going to get will probably have more than just tour dates in it. 

Otherwise, things wouldn't "add up", if you take my meaning.

And, while I'm sure many are waiting for the PR for the final tour dates, I don't think THAT piece of information is what most people are waiting for.

It's a tricky situation and it basically isn't clever to second guess Axl Rose. I think an announcement is right around the corner but we just need to step around it. We are damn close, so much so that you can almost taste it. I think an announcement will include upcoming tour dates, album release date, album contents, reasons for the 11 years it has taken and who exactly is in the band. It would be wise to announce this so it would put to rest these constant rumours of Slash rejoining.

this wait is driving me crazy. i know we waited years, but the last days are just friggin annoying

I'm gonna flipout if we don't hear something soon :o :o :o :hihi:

And the PR should close with:

"Oh, and for those of you asking about where Slash is....
Slash in in my ass, that's where he is!"

:)

what about......

"and for those who wonder where Tommy is..........he's currently shitting in Bucket's bucket....."  :hihi:

^^^and Robin is pissing on Herbie :hihi:

If there touring europe and asia extensively from june to august, then they pretty much have to release something soon so tha  tickets can go on sale! OTOH, i wouldnt be surprised if promoters are playing a little hardball to make sure axl doesnt pull, well an axl! during this tour.

i also think the next update will go far beyond tour dates.

Lets hope so. its still a long time til the festival dates. We are still in february. But i would be suprised if there is no annoincement by mid March

I understand it's a long time until the festival dates, but why waste what was the biggest weekend the band has had since 1993. They hit the airplay charts with a demo. They were being reported on by major media outlets. Why not strike while the iron is hot?

This is another case of the band and it's management wasting a golden moment.

yeah, i understand what you mean.
ive been wondering the same thing myself
i just hope that when they start the promotion
it will be bigger then the Leak story..
Hope they have a good "masterplan"

 generally the expereince that concert dates are announce 3-5 months in advance of the show...so really you're looking at a march/april timeframe for wanting to announce the show, get tickets on sale, etc.


It's too early to judge that-what if we hear something by tommorrow? and what if it is management behind the leaks? not saying i believe that, but i will keep the possibility open. can you really 'waste' your own marketing plan?

The leak gave them a higher jumping point. They were in the news, the announcement of a release date (or whatever we are going to get) would only be that much bigger comming off of news about the band.

Why wait until everything cools off and then make the announcement without any momentum..... people were paying attention.

The lack of an offical announcement only adds fuel to the "this track is off the supposed Chinese Democracy album, which Axl is claiming we will hear this year, but don't hold your breath........." attitude that most music critics and DJ's have.

It

We should have heard by last week.... they were handed a freebie here and fumbled it.

If they are behind all of this, and are taking this long to make their second move, then YES, they wasted their own marketing plan. They have done it before.

Look at how positive everything was in 2001-2002 following the Vegas Shows, Rio, MTV, they launch a tour......and then...... oh ya it's 2006 and we are still waiting.......

I think that WAS the plan.  I just don't think all the i's were dotted and t's were crossed.  Whatever the reason for the delay, I don't think it will be very long now...

 :hihi:   funny, but SOOO true...


hopefully this will be the week...

Axl needs to be more internet cordinated, and talk to us... or someone at least... this has got to be the worst band-fan relationship ever.

Let's just let nature take it's course. I'm hoping it'll be this week but the silence is getting eerie.

well that's a frightening comment.......... :(

It wasn't meant to be and anyway it's poetic justice somewhat that after all the years making the album the actually announcement keeps getting delayed.

Personally, if I was involved at the Sanctuary end I'd be 100% desperate to get the announcement out by Wednesday.

Anybody think that they are arguing with the record company about what should come first-Best Of or Chinese?

No. I think that they are still finalising the tour details. The negotiation period for arranging tours can be a little unpredictable sometimes.

I'd assume at this point they are still only negotiating with european promoters?

I hope this isnt a demand for more money on axl's end that is holding this up-he really doesnt have much bargaining leverage after 2002 ya know?

More likely it took a bit longer for gnr to find promoters in some of the places they wanted to play who were both willing to take the risk and front the cash required.  Once that was squared away, all the paperwork has to be ironed out, signed, sealed and delivered 1/2 way across the world (on both parts), etc, etc.  IF it's the tour dates that are holding things up..I'd not be surprised.  That kinda stuff can bog down a bit sometimes.

I think it's just a slower process than either Merck or Axl foresaw. There is no major problem, just slight hold ups.

Has it occured to anybody that since management confirmed that 2 albums will be complete when CD is released, and just weeks ago Axl said only 26 of 36 (or whatever) were complete, that this upcoming tour might simply be serving the purpose that the 2002 one was meant to i.e. to get the new band into playing the old material and give the fans a chance to get to know them. Back then even before the US leg of the tour Axl said on MTV "I don't know if soon is the word."

If, for instance, the first single comes out with the Da Vinci code in May, and the band play a handful of new songs at the shows, anticipation for the album would be stratospheric by late June.

These days lead singles usually hit radio weeks before an album comes out, sometimes even well over a month before, especially with really big artists.

Right now we're looking at late April at the very earliest but I think it's very unlikely it will be out before the summer tour, especially since a lot of songs are not done out of the ones he mentioned.

doubtful- b/c e saw what happens when you tour (especially in america) with no new album last time- it was a bad calculation on axl/merck's part. doubt theyd make it again

In addition: I think a lot of people here are overestimating how much the general record-buying public care about Chinese Democracy. In order to have strong initial sales Axl's gonna need more than a superb single and video and a bit of tv and magazine stuff. I think we can assume it's gonna be an prolonged absolute media blitz that builds up to the release and the shows will form part of that.

Dude, they're playing festivals with a guaranteed audience. 200,000+ at Lisbon, some stupid amount at Donnington, not US arenas. You can guarantee that a huge number of the people that see them at these fetival dates are gonna buy the album that wouldn't have otherwise. It's the best exposure they could have in the music world.

i suppose we`ll see what happens as always....

novarock was the breath of fresh air that we needed...  and no rumours were floating around before it was announced on their website...

Look at the press from the leaked material....mainstream press type of stuff.  You can't BUY (well, unless you're the goverment) press like that!

Axl announces a release date and he's going to get all the free publicity he can handle for the short term.  Assuming the release date isn't too far off.....it could carry him through.

True. I'd love to believe we're gonna have the record within the next few months and a massive statement from Axl is coming in 48 hours and all that but after stepping back from all the recent craziness, common sense says the wait ain't over just yet.

Not saying that these festival dates wont help them in terms of sales-absolutely will! But like you said, when you play festivals, you have a guaranteed audience. there are no guarantees about an american audience showing up for solo dates-they'll want proof first-i.e. a record. guess im really talking about the sucess of this band in the context of the US- i think the album and tour will be recieved well in overseas no matter what-there seems to be a greater affinity for axl outside of the states.

As for the United States, the album definetely needs to be out before they tour over here. Especially since what happened in 2002, it will make it harder to tour in the States.

trying to get llyod's of london to insure it :hihi:

Where the hell is Merck?  Is he still "very sick"  or what?  I bet any other band with leaks would have an official word out the minute the leak happend

gnr isn't "most bands" ::)

"very sick"? what are you referring to??

i was about to say the EXACT same thing hahahaha

great minds think alike :smoking:

Most bands don't take 10+ years in between albums either.  I wouldn't expect anything close to the norm with GNR.

Axl's last press release was Tuesday March 30th 2004...

What am I going at?

TOMORROW IS TUESDAY!

Axl's press release tomorrow starts now.  : ok:

i am anticipating one anytime now.  I think that the delay could be due to more shows that are being booked or some last minute legalities to worked out. My guess.

Kinda wish a had a magic 8 ball right now...... :-\

get these contracts signed and let's roll 8)

hope youre right KV, and im still leaning toward sthe possibility that the leaks were planned

too many coincidences

you would think but the lack of a follow statement from the band or management doesn't bode well IMO; it has been two weeks since IRS leaked

They must be either searching for the sources of the leaks or having done so, plugged them.  Thankfully they didn't take a page from the Tom Cruise Scientology play book; sometimes NOT acknowledging something publicly is the best route.

Ok, seriously.....SOME kind of announcement has to be coming REALLY soon, right?

FOUR leaked tracks!?!??!!?

he has to right??? He has remained silent for so many years through all of the rumors and all of the controversy. He has remained silent about what really happened in Philly. He has remained silent about all things Chinese Democracy. Now his album is leaking after more then a decade of silence and not a note of music. His album is leaking and he has not addressed anything. When the leaks started we were all like "announcement any day" announcement by the end of the week". I know it has not been that long, but what if he makes no statement. I think these new songs sound great and I cannot wait to here the finished product, but please Axl, for once please let us know what the real story is.

Deadfeat.

Don't count on it................... :hihi:

Yeah. It's getting out of hand. Even for Axl.. He needs to step up and take control of the machine.

all of the leaks will either speed up the album or push it back even further

Axl needs to say something,not a whole lot,but something.
And when he does I have a good feeling it may not what anyone was looking forward to in announcement form. :hihi:

You need more?

Yeah... I'm really not liking the silence...  :nervous:

Yeah.

I got 4 Demos, I listened to just 2 of them to not spoil the release.

But with everyday WITHOUT a statement, this plan becomes more senseless.  :(

I know what you mean.  I gave up on Sunday and decided to listen to Better and TWAT.  If they announce a release date I'll probably wait for the album before listening to anymore.

Yeah, I'm torn on should I listen to the full version of "Better" and "Catcher...". 

yes, listen!  we might not ever see the album or they might appear on future albums, years off in the future. plus they will sound 100% different probably
 probably have been all recorded, mixed, mastered, etc... it will be different on so many levels!

hey mysteron, seriously now..can we expect an announcment anytime soon? and by soon i mean fro now to 2 weeks from now, or do we have to wait a little longer

I havent heard the full version of better and catcher in the rye, and i really dont want to until the album comes out.? these leaks are getting to be ridiculous, they need to announce something soon, however if they make an announcement and say the album isnt finished but these songs wont be on cd is pointless

I've tried being patient about this, but now I just really have to ask:

What the hell could possibly be keeping management and/or the record company from making an announcement? There's still never been an official announcement about the tour dates (even though Merck confirmed them), and song #4 just leaked.

At this point, the only way to prevent more leaks is to give us a solid, confirmed release date. The fans are getting tired of being jerked around, and it seems like we're so close, but with no official word, its hard to get your hopes up.

I really have to question management's motives on this one. It seems like they're waiting to drop everything at once, but last time I checked, there's never been any rule that you can't make more than one press release. Announce what's confirmed now (the festivals, album release date), and then as more tour dates are announced, put out another one. Its not rocket science or brain surgery. I really think I could manage this band better at this point in time!

Maybe their strategy is to let people stew.  The mystery creates a lot of free hype

Mysteron said they are still booking dates, so I guess there will not be official word until the tour schedule is finished.

Maybe the speeding up of the album release is? Hoping here lol.

Agreed....and speaking of the beatles since CITR leak..the beatles leaked demos as well, it was rumored that Paul McCartney was leaking them but not this many, I guess all bands do it but this is alot even for just fan reaction and to test us.

As I said, its not like they can't do more than one press release. This is just bullshit, and I for one, am getting tired of waiting on Merck to do something. Anyone can run this band better than him. I don't think he realizes that giving us a solid, set in stone release date will more than likely stop any furthur leaks, but it will also get the fans off of his ass. (Let's face it, many fans see him as public enemy #1 at this point.) Give us a quickie announcement (already confirmed dates and an album release), then when the rest of the shows are confirmed, give us an updated PR. Its really not as hard as they're making it out to be.

all the leaks and touring news has been good...but in reality there hasn't been anything new about the actual release of the album...it's nice to see that axl is still alive, but i don't really give a shit about a tour if the damn thing doesn't come out.

great thread ::)

And discribe for me how this thread is remotely useful to the board???

good for you 'bluesrocker'. The thing is, everything will happen, but it won't be happening when they haven't got everything 100% in the right place you might guess. Tour dates are still beeing added on a somewhat daily basis, still some to be confirmed, still open spots. The biggest open spot is the release date question. The answer tot that one we won't get untill everything prior to it is dealt with and set in stone.

well a lot of sources have said album will be out soon, surly that counts as information regarding the release of teh album, and a tour suggests something is going to happen

You're a sharp one.

OK it's been, what, a month or so since the songs began to leak, and still NO OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT   :rant: :rant:

What the fuck is management doing?  We're going fucking crazy here, and all they need to do is say "the leaks were from (blah) and you can consider (blah) to be in the area of the release date"

you'd think they would do this just for the diehard fans.  cause really, the average joe or even casual fan still doesn't know whit about the recent happenings in GNR.  :rant: :rant: :rant:

There won't be an announcement of any sort :-X

well they have to announce something at some point, don't they?  I can't imagine the album would suddenly just show up in stores... because if that's the case, somewhere at some point, some guy working on the cd assembly line, or driving the trucks, or making the liner notes, will tell someone.

No. I suspect they'll show up for the first show (or not) and go from there.

who said anything about an album being released? When the tour dates are all finalized, GnR' will make announcement based on it. I wouldn't get your hopes up for the album though, as I don't see it being released this spring. Summer at the earliest, but even that's looking bleek.

welcome to the forum, but please read the threads before you post nonsense like this

I don't see how the silly rabbit posted any nonsense. The same could be said for you, then.

I don't know, but this story may have some significance to the reason we don't get any information.

I am also a member on a Cedar Point amusement park forum. ?Back in May or somthing of 2001 I think it was, there were cement footers put in place at the park. ?These footers were surrounded by a fence, so the only way to see them was from a roller coaster. ?There was also a sign that read, "Cedar Point is Preparing for the Future." ?The enthusiam on that message board is much like it is here. ?So everyone was speculating on what it could be. ?A new coaster or what have you. ?There was no official word on what was being built at the park until the next year. ? It was the 420 ft. Top Thrill Dragster. ?The reason that was given for not releasing any information was, because the fans stirred up so much curiosity and publicity. ?The park wanted to keep that energy going so they didn't say anything about what was going on. ?

On the other hand...I may be drunk.

I did. The topic was started on February 17th, 2006. A month ago, right? Are you still hoping for announcement about CD? ?:rofl:

I stated that you will get an announcement about this summer's European tour, but don't get your hopes up about much more.

^^^ OK what did I ask when I revived this thread from the dead?  I was asking why, after having all these leaks, we still have no official announcement re: the leaks or the album release date.  Then buddy starts saying "who said anything about release date BLAH BLAH BLAH nothing till summer BLAH BLAH BLAH they'll make an announcement when dates are finalized, i know cause i have secret contacts inside sanctuary BLAH BLAH"

I said something about the release date foo!

well why not just ask your inside contacts and enlighten us all then

well from the looks of things and according to Mysteron's comments right after the leaks started.

It looks like management is pretending the leaks didn't happen :P

i say late April-early May is the target for an announcement. just before the summer dates begin : ok:

maybe info for a single or the album will be mentioned along with the Euro dates

Did I mention inside contacts? No.

I think your getting your panties all bunched up pal. ?:hihi:

^^^ no but you act like an authority.  do you want a uniform and badge that says you're a member of the GNR secret police force?

(http://www.rainbownetwork.com/images/news/img58.jpg)

 :rofl:

Do I get a gun too?

Agreed

i have a feeling no date is going to be announced, it's just going to hit the shelf... sure we might know 1-2 weeks in advance, but no sooner.  ::) :-*

all we have to do is to look back over the past 14 years from the end of the illusions tour, how many announcments has there been, maybe one a year at best, so i dotn expect anything, even on the greatest hits albmun, which went to no 1 in ireland, got no real announcment etc. apart from axl scrapping about it not being released....

the only difference this time is, if this dosnet work out with the euro tour, the mangement, record company could call it a day, as it hard to see this going anywhere!!!!

I agree.

Says who?

 (Im not askin  that to argue with you, I just wanna know if I'm supposed too get my hopes up  ;D)

All the big names.  Good enough for me.  : ok:

Thx.

what time is it over there now? Its 16:45 in northern Europe...

So will there be anything today?

10:45am on the East Coast US

ETA- West Coast US is 3 hours earlier then me.  So out there, it's 7:45 am (or so)

i guess we don`t see an announcement today?

Think positive.

i wanna belive, but i really dont think we will hear anyting. I think we would know it in europe first earlier today... but i never know.

Dunno. I remember that I found one of the statements in the history of gnronline.com first a few years ago. I remember it, because I was so nervous wether I would be the first to post it on 2000Intentions. (I was young, for god's sake! I didn't know better!? :hihi:) And that was pretty much in the middle of the german night.

Press releases are traditionally early morning yeah?

yes...and not on friday.....

Last Release was on a friday, though.  We just didn't hear about it till Monday.  GNR is not all that traditional lol

I'd say there's about 6 hours left today for there to be a press release.  With everyone in LA now (including allegedly a yet-to be named 3rd guitarist), it's awful early in the morning yet for any news  :hihi:

whatever ::) you can spin it all you want....same thing as always.....silence :o

they er ll be no announcment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pessimism is no way to go through life :P

-darknemus

hey darknemus, is it practically a given, at least by what information that you have that we'll have an announcement by Tuesday at the latest?

Hard to say,  its Guns - so, of course, there's nothing ever "practically a given".  I'll say this.  Alot more signs point to it happening now or in the next couple of days than not, thats for sure.

Not to mention they're rapidly approaching that 2 month boundary prior to Rio..although I wouldn't do something stupid like bet my dog's life on it.. I'd say we're gonna get our fabled "press release in due course" within the next 100 hours or so.

-darknemus
 

I'm in controlled anticipation  :rofl:

100 hours, eh?  well, I can't see it coming out on the weekend... Must be Monday or Tuesday!  : ok:

... gotta be geting close to the BIG announcement now...

tick tock tick tock

Damn, how close can we get?  Every time I think we are on the razor edge....it gets even closer, but not quite here yet. It's damn exhausting  :hihi:

;D

No worries my friends... "Soon" is the word? :rofl: :hihi:

"BIG" announcement?? :no:. An announcement regarding the tour... but i doubt they'll comment about the leaks, a third guitarist or when cd will drop.

?Will be great, I know it!


"Axl Rose and Guns N' Roses today decided to crap the whole tour and never-ever to release the album Chinese Democracy. All tapes are destroyed.No reasons were given for that step.

Yours sincerly

Mercuriadis"


 :hihi:

Why do you doubt...? If the album really is coming out this summer why not announce it with the tour...?

A one-two punch, so to speak.

Personally, I think the pending press release will only be about the tour. I honestly don't think we will find out when CD will be released until Rio or later.  My guess is the release will say something to the affect of "The tour will be in support of the upcoming album "Chinese Democracy", which will be ready for release later this year"

I really hope I am pleasently surprised though ;D

i agree, i never expected a press release about CD yet, just one mentioning the tour, if anything at all. either way i'm just ecstatic to see them! ;D :beer: :smoking:

Yeah, they put out like 2 press releases a year! ?they should put in whatever they can.

 :hihi:  That's pretty much what all the past press releases were like...  That might not be a very big stretch from our upcoming press release.  :smoking:

Where is this rumor from?

Seems like peopele speculate on a "coming announcement" every week.....




/jarmo

Darknemus

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Latest I'm hearing is expect the announcement by March 28 - however, its more likely to come in by the end of this week. (Friday would be my guess). No idea as to what info will be in it, though. My best guess is confirmation of tour dates and album release date. Possibly single info as well - but that's just speculation.

-darknemus

Gigger

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Sounds accurate to me


Pilferk

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To refresh memories, I have a friend in PR and Marketing for a good sized retail chain (which, in turn, is owned by a huge retail chain). She's been told (keep in mind, this is the 2nd time she's been advised of a time table for this...the first time was just before/while the first dates were being announced) that they'll have a PR by the end of this week. That was as of Tuesday.

So, lets see if they hit the date or not. Last time..they didn't.


This is off Sp1at btw

I think this is what everyone is basing the rumor on...IDK where some of them heard it, but i'm hoping they're right.

I don't expect a press release until the European is at least scheduled in it's entirety.

I think they've been wrong in the past.

So I guess it's the same old "I heard from my source" thing.




/jarmo

haven't we been hearing for a month now, that something was coming march 28th? it's only a few days away.

Hopefully...Darknemus said maybe by this Tuesday, which is the March 28th  :peace:

 :nervous: :confused:-In more important news, Stern radio mentioned after Sean?s interview that Chinese Democracy is slated for a March release. Gunsnroses.us has obtained from a reliable source that March 28th is the day of reckoning.

http://www.gunsnroses.us/news/article.php3?id_article=23

Yeah, sure, 3/28  ::)

It takes at least two months to get the ball rolling w/promotion. Stores need to order copies, the band needs to give interviews and so on.

3/28 is when the statement should be released...I'm sure we all know the CD's not coming out then.  If it did i'd rofl  :rofl:

No

The fact that they're still supposedly settling the guitarist issue leads me to believe not...depends on who you choose to listen to.

I bet Axl regrets ever mentioning the word "soon" as it's always coming back to haunt him? :hihi:


If we don't get an announcement by Tuesday then I'll? . . . . . well there's nothing I can do but it will be a real kick in balls if we still don't have anythink by then? :hihi:

go to modell's and buy a cup.....

*sigh*

I know im going to regret this. But my bet is on tuesday.

fuk if its tuesday im go insane. lol.

this album doesn't need to be promoted. Once a release date is set the whole damn world will know. A unreal single and video all they need.

The album must be done they ain't gonna start touring again unless its finished. They can't tour that old setlist anymore specially in the US.

I will be pissed if the release date is Q4 2006.

Nothing wrong with a little speculation at times. Keeps peoples hopes up I always think.  :hihi:

Yup, certainly have. 

On my front, it's not really a matter of her being "wrong", so much as it is things changing and not happening as she's been advised they're supposed to happen. That seems to be par for the course when it comes to Guns.....

In addition, late Friday they were told to expect something "within the first part of this week", now, instead.

And, to be honest, the way things have played out around this PR, they're not exactly holding their breaths on this one.

i`m getting impatient....

i don`t think we`ll see the announcement this week....i just can`t see it happening....

ok.
where is this Announcement rumour coming from? Only that poor source?
I think it kind of stupid, sit waiting for an announcement all day. My guess is that
we may hear something in April.

Rumours has been like this in 6 years..

It wouldn't shock me if the first words you hear are at rio

What is the Rio date again?

may 27th

Me either

my guess is that we may hear something on the 4th of April. Need I say more?   :hihi:

The longer we wait the more I think you may be right.

Your source is in retail, right? Why would they be told an announcement is coming?

Don't they just get the announcements and update their databases etc.? Are they involved in asking record companies about when one is coming? ????

If they were told in advance, I guess it's something that relates to retail which means it can't be just about a tour?




/jarmo

4 + 4 right ppebe? :hihi:

yeah.... maybe they`ll also announce the GHs 2 :-X


we`ll see....

Yes, on the retail side (though not directly in retail). ?She's in PR and Marketing for the whole chain (which, in turn, is owned by a much bigger chain). ?They typically get heads up to expect PR's or album announcements (especially "big" ones) so they can begin to plan their workload within their department, and within their groups. ?I'm not sure how they come by the information (asked for or volunteered by, I assume, the label) but I'll ask her. ?I know she gets the word from her boss, who gets the word from their parent company.

As for why they'd get the PR? Yes, you're correct. ?It would have to have something to do with a product release. ?Now, the last time this happened, it turned out it was for GH, not CD. ?All they know is that a PR is coming, not specifically what's going to be in it. ?Also, keep in mind, this is the 3rd different time frame they've been given on this particular PR.....the first one coming JUST before the first Euro tour dates started coming to light, the 2nd last week (targeting the end of last week) and this one targeting the early part of this week.

You laugh...

The last time we went through this, and she told me a PR was imminent, it turned out to BE GH.

I (and almost everyone else I told about it) assumed it would be CD.

Oh eek...now I'm REALLY nervous  :nervous:  I honestly expect that this press release will not be something we expect to hear.  Either just about the tour, or about something non-CD related  :confused:

no i don`t laugh......... :nervous:

i remember you told that before......  let`s hope this time it`s the real deal : ok:

you`re not alone with that dude :peace:

I could possibly snap if there is no release date for the album....just a warning! :o

Maybe you should visit the little white room then, just in case?

;D

im already starting to, lets riot and fuck shit up if they announce a GH2.

i was hanging out at wccc in hartford yesterday and i was asking about the release date for godsmak and he was telling me that u know they will usually get the date for ehen the new single is gonna be out along with the date for the record release, i then asked him about gn'r and anyone has heard anything about some kind of released date and as usual he looked at me and just laughed and said sorry, the only thing we have heard of lately regarding gn'r is not to play the new songs  :no:

Maybe GH2? If so this is like their going over/resuming 2004. Even so, it can only be better than the last time. as far as we are seeing Chinese democracy I don't give a snap whether we'll see GH2 in advance or not.


Yep, that and that they seem to like doublets or triplets as in 01/01/01(for HOB) or 03/03/2006 (for counterclaim). Then again as they did nothing on 2/2/2002 or 4/4/ 2004, oh well, maybe this is just another bollocks on my part.  :P

Hmmm...wonder what they have planned for 6/6/06?  :)

the release date of course :hihi:

Ya know, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if that were true.

But I'm thinking just a bit (couple of weeks, maybe) later than that....

the most interesting fact about this date is, that it`s actually a tuesday : ok:

Yup, I know...day before my birthday.

What a fucking cool b-day present that would be, let me tell ya.

My guess is the 20th, though...based on nothing other than some internet chatter, my gut, and the fact that it, too, is a Tuesday.

That's certainly one of the most likely dates. should be counted. or else we have, 08/08, 10/10 and12/12? guess what, these are all tuesday this year.

And of course I wouldn't be surprised if it got delayed a few weeks or so.

one day before my birthday too... thus too good to be true

it *might* be possible that nothing happens on these dates though :hihi:

06/06/06 ? That'll be my girlfriends birthday. If that turns out to be true i will not spend much time with her that day :love:

I feel a psychic premonition coming on....

Something tells me...if the above is true....that on 6/7/06....you will find yourself single again.

:)

Well that would be bad now that we plan kids  :P
But hey, guess i will be able to find the "middle way" Maybe i won't make it home from Rock am Ring in time" .... yo never know. Thanks god i got a CD player in my old mercedes  :rofl:

Who really thinks tomorrow we're gonna get an "official announcement"?  :nervous:

6.6.06 is my birthday - and going to see GN'R a few days later in Dublin. That'll be the best birthday ever if the album drops then...

SG

If not, I'll be extremely disappointed. :'(

you and me both.

i hope we get an official announcement tomorrow(3-28). i won't be surprised/disappointed if we don't tho. i try not to expect too much from GnR, that way i'm rarely let down ;)

i really doubt something will happen tomorrow. they haven't finished planning the tour yet..

You know, I thought for ages that there would be some kind of announcement today (the 28th) buuuuuut... it looks like there isn't going to be. :no:

^^^^^^^^^^^

Theres a lot of time left today, the day most thought would be annoucnemnet day. In America msot are still asleep or something. It's only ten o'clock in the u.k so in America I dunno i think it msut be about five. Theres a whole day left.

Oh yeah time difference. Cheers : ok:

^^didn't someone say that previous businesswire announcement in 2004 made at 9 am EST, so that's about 2pm UK time??

HHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMM  announcement! :drool:

We have been waiting 6 years for an announcement about a release date. I wouldn't pin your hopes down to one day. Personally, I have literally had hopes for a release date to be announced everyday since the Kurt Loder interview in late 1999. Unbelievable...still nothing. Thus, to me, today is no different than any other day over the last 6 years. I'll believe something is going to happen when it actually does. I am not going to put all my chips in to internet and industry chatter. : ok:

Very wise.  ;)

Well it's past 2pm British time now. There are now three things that can happen

1) There won't be an annoucnement

2) Maybe an annoucnement will come later today

3) Axl and everyone in the GN'R camp forgot to put the clocks forward on Sunday  :hihi:

Or maybe the info some people had was wrong. It's not like someone's accusing anyone. It's just that people make mistakes sometimes...

Yeah, that's why I put no announcemnt as first option thing.

And things change, too....

Lets face it: No one but Merck and Axl have the most current info on the subject.? Information that was passed down through other avenues might not be current, or, it was current and correct when it was passed on, but has now changed. And thus....

From my side, my friend is still thinking today or tomorow (as of last night) because they have not been told otherwise, YET.

who is "your friends" ?

Sorry, should have been singular, not plural.  Damn fingers....

"My friend", as I've explained before (and earlier in this thread) works in PR and Marketing for a mid-sized retail record chain owned by a larger (as in huge) chain.

You can revist what she's said on the subject, again, earlier in this thread.

As of 6PM yesterday, I was still hearing "by the 28th" - now that's from a person who gets his info from the label side of things (and it usually takes a day or two to trickle to him, unless he prods) so who knows.  It sure would be nice, though.

-darknemus

in other words..we wont hear an announcement today.

Well I'm not gonna cry or get into the "why are we all actually sticking by Axl" phase, but it sure would be nice to hear something today. If not, oh well.

I'm taking this whole March 28th rumor with a grain of salt.  But keep in mind its 9:20 am east coast time.  There is plenty of time left.

Not necessarily.

In other words "It's GnR so who, really, knows?"

The GH PR announcment hit at about 10 AM Eastern Time when it went out.....so I'm not too discouraged that we haven't heard anything yet.

But I'm not exactly waiting with baited breath, ya know?

And when Mysteron came on here with Axl's countersuit it was like 12:40 eastern time,so there's still plenty of time for a press release today.

For the life of me, I cannot figure out why everyone thinks that there is going to be an imminent annnouncement?  Did someone at Sanctuary say so much in the past few months?  Or was this a self-perpetuating rumor, that originated on the messageboards? Can someone provide an explanation?

Pilferk and Darknemus have heard some rumblings, as well as the guys over at Sp1at.

Uhh what?  i must have missed the memo on that one. 

As Pilferk's info comes directly from the retail sector (as in, the people who will actually sell this stuff) I'd tend to say his info would be more accurate (or at least more timely) than my own - it makes perfect sense that they'd be notified in advance of any announcement that could potentially get their phones ringing off the hook with "When can I buy Chinese Democracy?" "Is it in the store?" "Is there a dualdisc edition?" "A limited edition?" etc, etc, etc.

-darknemus

so we might actually hear something still today?????? :nervous:

Those of you in other timezones need to realize its not even 10 AM Eastern Time here.  If the announcement were to come out of Sanctuary's office in NYC (Which is what I would expect) they still have plenty of time in the "business day" to do so.

-darknemus

in NY it is 10:50 am now.
Wher i live it's nearly 05:00 pm

Plenty of time...yeah
But i guess it is more likely that we will hear things tomorrow.

Today is the courtdate ,right?

I know it's getting redundant posting times, but its 9:50 am est, not 10:50.

It would make sense to make the announcement really soon, cause of the shows.

However I heard that a Greek promoter is thinking of doing the gig in Greece, which means that they have a deadline which hasn't expired yet.

So...

anyone want to bet there will be no press release today? ;D

The only thing I'd bet on at the moment is that GN'R will appear at RIR 5.

Heh heh....I think that's probably the ONLY good bet you can make with GnR....

:)

I thought that about RIR 4  :hihi:

Well, let's just say that times have changed...

My bet is that we will not hear anything official, until they announce, or play a warm-up gig before RIO.? In the long run, keeping this thing shrouded in mystery is the best marketing strategy they can deploy!? I know it does not satisfy the fans on the messageboards, but oh well.?? :-\

Strikingly, I still don't know if everything is 100% set as to who is playing in RIO, and if the album is going to come out this summer, this fall, or 1st quarter 2007.  Heck, there maybe a legal dispute over Buckets parts, and another on determining which label it will be out on (although I would assume Geffen, as I don't think Sanctuary has the means to release an album of this size worldwide at the current moment). ;)

1)? Actually, keeping it "shrouded in mystery" is a double edged sword.? It could surpress ticket sales for the Euro tour, and cost them a preferred release date if someone else snaps it up with a big release.

2)? The lineup (less the possible new guitarist) is 100% set...no matter what the "reunionists" want to believe.? Certainly the current line up has made their travel arrangements and even, in one case, posted the tour dates on their web site.

3)? There really couldnt' be a legal dispute over Bucket's parts.? He was under contract.? Everything he recorded while under contract can be used....provided Axl/GnR want to use them.

4) It will be released on a Universal label, for sure. They are under contract.? I would think Geffen, with about 99.8% certainty, given that's GnR's "home".? Sanctuary is not their (meaning GnR's) label, at this moment, and, barring some sort of agreement with Universal (which would cost them a ton of cash they don't, apparently, have to promote and distribute an album they don't have the means or capabilities to promote or distribute) that's unlikely to change.

yea so its 12:42 p.m. where im at  : ok:

7:45pm here.

where do you live?

it`s 8:55 pm here in germany : ok:



i don`t expect an announcement anymore....  although i think they don`t have to set all the concert dates in stone before they issue their statement...

For the record, it's only 11 am in L.A., if that's where the announcement would come from.  Of course, that's under the assumption that anything would be announced today.

We aren't getting any news of any kind, any time soon. This whole tour is a load of crap if we don't at least know when we'll get a single or any album.

The more time that goes by, with no news on the album, the more people (and rightfully so, with the hiatus of VR) will speculate about the chances of the original band taking the stage.  Not right or wrong, but what will most likely happen. : ok:

Their website syas they are, but it has been very quiet from them in light of axl's press release, i.e. no outright denials, and the retraction of scott's response. I'm not sayin any of the rumors are remotly true, just seems odd.

I wouldn't say they're in hiatus... more like uneasy silence.

I have to speculate, it may have nothing to do with any reunion talk, but there is obviously something going on that is preventing either side from saying anything.

I didn't mean on hiatus, someone asked if they were in the process of making their new album, and that's what i meant.
Sorry for not being more clear.

On the VR board I saw that Slash said they've begun pre-production.

Duff and Matt were workling on a number of songs.

And Slash has about a dozen songs or so that he's happy with.

Not to mention what they worked on while on tour.

It's funny, VR hasn't even been off tour for 6 months and people are calling it a hiatustheir breaking up, etc, whereas, with Axl and GnR, Chinese Democracy supposedly has been having the finishing touches put on it for years now.

Well I think its fair that these people are discussing it after the Axl press release [without a response from Slash] and the lack of information from either camp.

in general, this silence is very weird........   i hope it`s the calm before the storm : ok:

judging by the duration of this silence the storm will be very big by the way.......

Thats a good one!  :hihi:

Why would anyone think the old guys are coming back? It just doesn't add up in my book. there is NO evidence that Slash and Duff are coming back. None.

all these crappy rumours are based on wishful thinking.     


....at least that`s my theory anyway : ok:

lack of information from VRs camp :rofl: :rofl:

uh, there are 20 some pages to this thread begging for some kind of announcement from GnRs camp

I think Gnr's camp has provided alot less information than Vr's

I'm still waiting for th announcement of what happened in 2002 :rofl: :rofl:

4:16 EST and no action yet :rofl:

For everyone speculating a return to the original line-up. AXL DOESN'T WANT ONE. He wants to prove his creative genious by rebuilding the entire band. He's come too far to go back to Slash and Duff now, he's got an album recorded (kinda)! VR's supposed "hiatus" is bs. The album got back because they kept adding tour dates, and what the hell do you what? A press release for every song they wirte?! Come on, reunion is not happening.

Back to topic: official announcement? I'm beginning to think he'll go touring without one.

You must feel good about yourself.

Not all of us believed this thing you know. But you seem to take pride in the fact that you were right about something as trivial as this.... 

Wanna bet that CD isn't gonna be out tomorrow or on Thursday? You might get that right as well!  ::)




/jarmo

go back to your Vr Forum. i checked it out just now. theres like 3 guests.

EDIT: 666, baby. :-*

Well, I thought it was strange that everyone thought there was some sort of announcement coming today in the first place. ?I think it will come, if ever, when they have the album complete. ?I am sure they will issue some sort of statement prior to the RIO show, or when announcing a warm-up gig. ?For some reason, things are not quite as complete as we thought. ?I am really interested if Tommy Stinson was involved in the rehearsals. ?I know mgt. speaks through Mysteron, but they have been a few steps behind in the past (natural, as people make personal decisions, and then let mgt. know later) regarding who is "in" or "out" of the line-up. ?The Mat's folks are beginning to whisper that their long awaited reunion is on the cusp of becoming reality. ?

I have no clue, but I would assume that in typical GNR fashion, there a surprises yet to come before RIO. ?Maybe just a new guitarist or something, but I would imagine something unexpected has happened, and we will find out in due time.

go back to your Vr Forum. i checked it out just now. theres like 3 guests.

So now there are 2.

piss off you must

thre guests and three members, if your gonna diss, make sure you get it right : ok: :hihi:

you first, you people are way to sensitive : ok:
and take this board way to seriously

I was a GnR fan long before there was VR

So were most of us here.

Seems like you got stuck in some time warp. Time to move on, that exact band hasn't existed in almost 16 years.





/jarmo

So now there are 2.

thre guests and three members, if your gonna diss, make sure you get it right : ok: :hihi:

Not a diss, a joke. ?Maybe I should have labeled it that way for you. And I won't diss that "three" has 2 e's in it instead of one.

How do you figure? 
It's been an awfully long time warp....we know the exact band hasn't existed in 16 years

but thanks for the history lesson

Buddy, don't you get it? You're a jackass in every post...we get your point...you win...now please go back to 1987 or go listen to some more mullet metal like Blizzard of Oz... ;D

It's funny, GN'R are so quick to put out a press release when its bad news, but when there is some good news to put out its so draggged on. You'd think they would want to get this press release out there as fast as they can.

My assumption (and it's just that) is they want to have all their ducks in a row, all the pieces of the puzzle laid out, and everything just so....and they're not going to be goaded into releasing anything until that happens.  When everything aligns just so...we'll get a PR.

They can plan for all those pieces to fall into place by a certain date, or predict that every duck will be in a row at a particular time, but, really, the fact of the matter is, things change. My guess is, the situation is somewhat fluid (especially as it concerns Euro dates being added/scheduled)...and much of the information people are getting isn't coming directly from the front lines, but through intermediaries who's information may be even a few days (or even hours) old.  Because of that, "false alarms" aren't all that surprising.

Sometimes there are things that might be beyond their direct ability to control.  And those things might crop up quickly, or just be a culmination of delays in the process.  So it's tough, for me, to really come down on them for taking awhile to get info out.  They wanna do it once, and they wanna do it right.

Again, I'm just guessing in all this, of course....

Thats a good assumption. I just think that they have enough dates announced already where they could just release the statement confirming those dates, announcing the album's release date, then just say that more dates will be coming in the future. Something along those lines would work.

Thank you Madagas for saying what we all were thinking. ?

Tommy was offered to do a Mats reunion a while back. He informed Paul's people a couple of weeks ago that he couldn't do it because of GnR commitments. The Mats wanted to tour behind the new Best Of album they have coming this summer, and they are potentially releasing a box set later in the year. Any reunion was gonna promote this but Tommy is in Burbank rehearsing with Guns, so no Mats reunion this year!  : ok:

well Mr. E mann I wish he was the only one who'd fulfill the conditions jarmo and madagus just described.  :-\


Funny? That's boringly normal. You can't tell when you'll have bad news. Bad news travels quickly.

Good news, on the other hand,... is no news.

I guess being a newbie you haven't read other threads yet. You'll see.

i been so right about axl rose its sick

to be fair that comes from teh recent comments that axl mentioned,,, They seem to be weathering whatever happened, hopefully it fuels them and makes them tighter since dirty laundry was aired...

Lets see vr stopped touring around new years , so that is equivelant to break up,. new guns have released nothing and had one failed tour,  no promo on the new tour, no cd news, no official lineup so that equals tighter then ever :hihi:  I love the fans

announcement here and there and everywhere... i dont know.. I think its kinda exciting the way tings are..
There is a tour ahead, we got new pictures, know the guys are playing the shit out of the songs in at Tommys place..
Huh.. i could hear Tommys parents.. "Can u guys please be a bit more quiet? Im trying to have a phonecall"

anyway! Everything will come clear.. In the end. Nothing lasts forever, even GNR silence..  :peace:

My opinion is there will probably be something on the official site. Perhaps a release date and possibly a tracklisting. That would be cool!  : ok:

unfortunatly I think you'll get whatever axl wants to give at rio and nothing sooner.. Two days until april 1st...

21 booked show, crazy rumours about a new guitar player, leaked songs, enormous hype and thousands and thousands of excited and confused fans, and what does our man do? give us the silent treatment again. how can anyone ever predict axl rose, never forget that we are dealing with the guy who sparked riots, was arrested 20 + times and attacked fans here :hihi: you gotta love the guy for his sincere "fuck the world, i'm gonna do as i please" attitude alone :peace: please don't cancel axl, just show up and you can do whatever the fuck you want after that, people pay to see you now get your ass onstage man! ;D i can't believe i'm going to see the most talented and fucking crazy frontman of all time, sorry mods just close this if you want to, the excitement is making me delirious, i just needed to vent :hihi: :drool:

im fucking pumped too, im like a kid on xmas, i dont think im going to get much sleep tonight, knowing tomorrow im going to order guns n roses tickets.

You can't announce it through a press release, thats anti-climantic. The warm up show in front of the hardcore fans would be perfect.

i love axl's unpredictability but some of us are desperate for confirmation at this point, i just want these shows to happen SO badly because i have been waiting all my life for this

Thousands? thats all you think? id think millions...

It will come.. my guess is the week before the NYC shows.. He usually sends them out right before the shows...

Axl please make some kind of press release. ?:nervous:

He will on May 15th.

i was referring to the concert goers that are worried and confused whether the tour will happen, i know axl has millions of fans worldwide, don't worry.

these shows will happen... if axl was gonna bail on this tour, these shows woulda never been brought up... he's warming up in the US for a reason!! for his fucking fans!!!

i think you're quite right. :yes: axl rocks! :peace:

How many posts / threads like this have I seen since I've been a member here?

I just thought how cool it would be, if at the Hammerstein show, everything is dark. Then a voice demands silence via speakers. When there is silence, Axl walks through the curtain, alone in a spotlight, reaches the microphone, grabs it, holds the tension for a splitsecond and simply says: "Chinese Democracy will be released [exact date.]"

And THEN the curtain lifts and the show starts exactly  in this moment.

Not realistic., but it would be cool.  :hihi:

that gave me goosebumps ;)

Stop worrying guys,ill be there and this time i WONT bail on any shows.YOUVE GOT MY WORD.And ill tell you the release date when im ready,but i dont know if soon is the word,i think SOONER IS the word. :peace:

Do you think we will get any Official news before the NY shows? If so, what?

no.

You want the long answer or the short one...?

The long answer is "no".

No.

...and the short one? ???

 :hihi:

thanks for thinking about it for awhile guys.

There's not much to think about really.

This is Guns N' Roses. They don't do "official news".

Don't hold your breath.

if you're really into waiting, try waiting for jesus, i hear the pay-off may be that much greater... no wait, someone else already said that :hihi:

what do you think? they stated their opinions, it'a about time you said what you think, especially if you don't agree...
what answer were you expecting to get, after all? you started this topic, you should be the first to say what's on your mind.

maybe, they don't want to get involved when Axl doesn't show up, so they say nothing and caan deny knowing about it?Or maybe they think we pressure them too much.

fine umm ok how aboot this the only thing we may get are more gnr dates that it.

yes. every answer to every possible gnr related uestion you can think of will be answered before the 1st gig.

mysteron , confirm this @ anytime before sp1at does.  : ok:

p.s , it will all be posted to gnronline.com within 48-72 hours. major shit bout to hit the fan!

1st tidbit/news , as of 12:30 am last nite axl ditched the cornrows and shaved the goatee.

In my opinion, they should. ?I hope they do but I guess I agree with most of you, they probably won't. ?I just don't see how Axl can consistantly not say one thing. ?I also don't like how the other guys don't say a thing. ?I understand that Axl probably told them not to but if there really friends with him fuck it. ?Say something about what's going on and he should forgive ya. ?If he is just an employer than that would be depressing and suck. ?If theyare a true band anybody should be allowed to say something and I wish they would. ?Good enough Avesia? ?

Smartass.  Kind of funny though.

you're getting the gnr community typical answers, don't ask what's for dinner just be glad you are eating :hihi:

Axl knows the gnr name  has such a big following that he doesn't need to say anything before venues like this..

Remember there can be no lies if you never speak..

be the 1st funny thing I ever wrote.

hmmm .. Sauls humor starts now?!

no! the original question was: Do you think we will get any Official news before the NY shows? and all I can see in your post is I hope, I guess, they should. well, will they, or not?  :rant:

 :rofl: just kiddin'. It's allright  :hihi:   : ok:

no sir


Hatts

Will there be official news coming out about the new album soon? yes

Should we all jump to believe this time Axl will actually release it?  ???

there's a good chance there will be no announcment untill they op en in NY.

There will have to be something then as we will finally see the line up.

i still think slash could be back,

Just wait until the first show and see how that goes. One show at a time. Nothing will be said before then, and probably not until way later.

and we still know nothing about the band.
when will we get a press release or any information ?

:hihi:

sauls sarcasm starts now!!!

I would think Axl would do a press release before the warm up dates in NY. I think he could announce the first single, and an album release date and maybe even his plays to tour the usa after the euro dates. What do you think?

I thought this would happen (a) after the leaks and (b) after the Hammerstein shows became official.

At this point, why bother? I think the Trunk interview was his press release. More info to follow live from the stage on May 12th!!!

I could even see him doing a mini interview before the NY show with Trunk.

Dont think so.... no press release no info at all , he maybe talk about the cd and a single ?in the NY shows .

ive been this a lot this week and mostly tonight:

if this happens i will eat my own head

Yes i think so... either this week or before RIR for sure....... He will send out a press release..

I dunno man. Dont think so. coz Axl is being pretty quiet about everything so maybe b4 the album is released but I dought this week.
Was there a press release when Richard joined the band?


 :peace:

yes... right before the hong kong show

Like a day or 2 or what? Coz we only have like 3 days till the NY shows.


 :peace:

yeah it was something like 1 or 2 days before the show....

I hope a press release comes out before the shows, but maybe he'll say many things that the fans want to know at the show. Im sure if nothing is said during the show, in the days following the shows there will be so many reviews about the band and the show that this might force them to release some information. I dunno, hope a release date and tour info comes out.

I'm just excited for the show, the info, and reading Guns N' Roses name in the news and hopefully seeing stories about them on the news.

Well in that case I will change my opinion from Dont think so to Maybe they will.


 :peace:

Iam sure jarmo has it archived here somewhere... you could check the date of it against the date of the hong kong show... i remember it was right before the show.....and the band was already in china when they sent it out..

I belive in press release afeter the first show info about the new guittar player, the tour , cd and single .

May 13 is the press release day  : ok:

i think there'll be a press release before the euro tour when they have all the dates confirmed.
these ny shows are still considered warm-up so they'll probably see how it goes and then we'll get a press release

I think it depends on whether or not Axl plans to tell the fans at the concert a bunch of info. If he plans to announce at the show any concrete information about CD, then I think there will be a press release so that the news is not spread to the public by second-hand accounts of people at the show since this would result in the message being messed up. If on the other hand, he doesn't plan to state a release date, or what the first single will be etc., and only talk about vauge plans in regards to the cd like we have heard before, then don't expect a press release.

The good thing is that we only have a few more days until we will know for sure.

I don't think the three things mentioned (US tour, single and album) are even finalised - at least thats the impression given in the Trunk interview

So thereor, no, I don't think we're going to hear anything relevant for a while (except who is in the band which we will find out on Friday)

He would have NOTHING to say at a press junket. Think of what he said at the Trunk show...NOTHING. The press would ask him:

Who's the third guitarist?
Who's in the band?
When's the hard release date for the new CD?
Is there ever going to be a reunion?

He's not going to address these questions with full answers, so a press junket would be a waste of time for him. He seems to be holding out on everything until the Hammerstein shows. Only his fans will have the answers first...kind of cool

portuguese press is trying for some statement from axl along with RIR's organization.
RIR is taking some press members to the may 12th show.

The music and the man will speak for themselves in the concerts for now.

I'm not an "insider," but based on where I work, I can pretty much tell you 100% that there will NOT be a press release before Friday.  This might be the only "inside info" that I can actually ever confirm!    :rofl:

forever the optimist dave, i am too but the single thing is probably a while away, still... i'd love to be proven wrong though but you seem to bring up this alot, when it happens the signs will be there. who knows though, maybe a sign will be thrown our way this friday for all i know... :peace: let's see what happens!

I'm am SO damn excited and as we discussed in that RHCP thread Axl doesn't really need to do any sort of press release. Billboard, CNN, MTV and about 3000 other sites saw it necessary to report what Axl said on the radio in the middle of the night the other night so I assume the shows will get their own coverage as well.

Now if Axl goes and makes some important comment from the stage then I'm 100% positive it'll be all over the afforementioned sources.

i think the next time we hear off Axl will be friday night when he comes on stage and blast out GNR songs.i dont think a release date is set yet so a press release wouldnt tell us anything that we dont know,unless theres gonna be a single or a US tour!

haha, only jesus gets more attention than our man axl! ;D
he speaks a few words and the worldwide press jumps all over it, even though he hasn't released a thing in 13 years. the buzz is huger than ever, imagine what will happen when chinese democracy comes! the world will fucking explode! 8)

After listening to the awesome Trunk thing, I don't think he will. Don't think he has exact details at this stage to announce anything.

If he does, he did a good job of disguising any plan by his comments on the show.

The press release was Guns N' Roses Storm New York... It is also clear from Axl's interview that no plans are set. The tracklisting isn't even finalized as he said they keep going back and forth between what songs will be on the first two albums.

Why should he do a press release before the shows?
I think he already gets all the attention he needs by simply doing nothing to provoke it.  :)

Yeah, my friend in retail hasn't heard a thing about any PR coming from them this week...

This is the moment Axl and his fans have been waiting for since 1996-97. I strongly doubt that he has not had a plan up his sleeve during the last few years. I believe the opening of the site this week was step 1. Step 2 must be the revealing of the release date and single.

In addition, G N' R must reveal the release date AND release an iTunes single by next week if they are to sell out their U.S. tour (which begins in 16 days). Anyone disagree?

Exciting days ahead!!!

 :yes:

This whole year seems like it was planned out by Axl.

His "surprise" appearance at the Korn party.

The leaks.

European tour.

Website.

Album release.

U.S. Tour

I can see Beta walking around with Axl with a checklist similar to that, crossing things off as they happen.   :hihi:

Yeah, don't you remember You downloaded the leaks and THAT'S why they're in the set. "that's my story and I'm sticking to it."

 Yo guys,
? ?Since last week,we all read that GN'R would have a partnership with Major League Baseball advanced media,right?
 
 Well,the Playoffs and World Series are in October,which is where we are now,and they don't go past November. After that the season is over.

 If they have a deal with MLB,that deal (which could extend for years) but would probably have to be for the current season and we should have announcement for CD in THIS month.

 Why have a deal for promotion for an album that has been promised to be REALLY out THIS year with an organization that will cease operations at month's end,until late March.
 
? It would HAVE to be announced this month!!? No one would pay attention to MLB.com or anything really related until the spring. If they are gonna help promote GN'R,it should be extremely soon.
 
 We're talkin' Playoffs here!! LOTS of media coverage and viewership from ALL over the world!!!!
Personally,I really like baseball but,don't watch it on T.V. during the regular season that much (I'd rather GO see the game) but,I am ALWAYS there for Playoff baseball. ALWAYS.
 
 If you look at Nielsen ratings during the fall, Playoff baseball and the World Series usually,if not always,rule the week of T.V.

 This is a great marketing strategy that will payoff enormously if they do it right.
I can already see the commercials for CD and the banner ads on MLB.com,where people will go everyday to see scores and recaps/highlights/stats and can't avoid the mini comm. that will play on screen.

? I hope they really make it happen!!!!!!

? ? ? ? ? ? MATT

Right on Matt


  I agree Lets get this shit on  :beer:

For years not a trace of Axl then suddenly as he is gearing up for a tour and possibly an album release...bam, he's at all the right parties, hanging out with all the right people? Axl's days leading up to that tour (not to mention the tour itself) are as obviously scripted as an episide of Jerry Springer. Do you really think he visited those kids in teh hospital just because? That was totally a PR setup.

Not that I have a problem with that. He could start wearing a dress and sodomizing a midget onstage for all I care as long as he gets the damn album out before this tour is over.