Here Today... Gone To Hell!

The Blues, Madagascar, Chinese Democracy, and Better.

"Here's what happened:

I walk out of the DMV here in my hometown of Santa Monica at around 4:45pm, I'm walking towards my motorcycle in the parking lot and I hear BETTER playing! At first, I'm not sure from which direction it's coming from, my first thought was that someone was blasting it from their car and that it was the demo that we all have. But as I followed the sound, I realized it was not coming from a car in the parking lot of the DMV but actually from somewhere across the street (on Colorado Blvd, corner of Cloverfield Blv.).

I look up and realize it's coming from the top of this commercial building and they had the volume turned WAY up as if they wanted to share the music with the whole complex and the people walking around outside (there are a couple of small restaurants next to the building with outside seating). I look at the main entrance of the building and above the doors are three record company logos, one of which is Geffen Records (the others are A&M and some other).

So after sticking my head inside the building to check if they were also playing it within the building and not just outside (they weren't), I walked back across the street to listen...the sound was much clearer from there for whatever reason.


So here's the juice: I started listening from the last third of Better and I noticed nothing new from what we've heard EXCEPT that Axl's voice is going to blow all you mutherfookers away! It's all rasp, all control, all the time!

Next they played The Blues. Ok, some of you are REALLY skeptical about what I'm telling you guys and I don't blame you, but TRUST ME! This is the point when I knew for certain that I was listening to studio versions of these songs because during this song, Axl's voice, again, was all rasp and control the whole time AND he hit some higher notes than what we've all heard live, the first time he goes super high is where he says towards the end "...were only memories. Wooaoohoohwaoo..." And he held one of the last, long notes without taking a breath or pausing which he has done, ALWAYS, when sung live.

Next they played Chinese Democracy. They added some layers of vocals. Not very different from what we've heard live, musically, but the vocals are different and it sounded great!

Next was Madagascar. THIS song is fucking amazing, studio! Again, rasp, control, high and low notes. And it does have all those MLK etc. clips that we've all heard. How do I know that this was Studio and not live? Because at the end of the song where we've heard Finck sing back up vocals, it was Axl himself singing them in his higher pitched voice and, of course, he sang the main lyrics in his low voice.

I also noticed that The Blues and Madagascar end on the same exact note/sound effect. It's that backwards sounding effect that I think we've heard live.

I was hoping to hear a NEW song that we've yet to hear so I waited for about 30 minutes, leaning against a small palm tree pretending to make fuckin phone calls (my battery was seriously low and I didn't want to kill it in case I needed to record a new unheard song) but they stopped playing the music after Madagascar. DAMMIT!!!!! What if they played new, unheard songs before Better, while I was inside the DMV!?

I know this is nothing groundbreaking but now I'm 100% convinced that these songs are going to KILL once the album is released, the live versions don't do them justice, trust me. And now I'm 100% sure that this Album is on it's way! Oh, one more thing I noticed, Madagascar has at least one more layer of sound/production to it, either piano or guitar, couldn't quite tell for sure but it sounded bad ass.

Should I drive by the same balcony through out the day tomorrow to see if I catch them playing something new and unheard? Probably not... wink.gif rock3.gif smiley-book.gif

Oh, WAIT! You probably want some kind of proof, right? Well, the one time I don't have my mp3 player that has voice recording was today on my short trip to the DMV....

...BUT...I did take a short video/audio recording of the The Blues playing from the top of the building from my phone and I took a picture of the Geffen logo. You can make out the song towards the end of the clip when cars aren't passing by.

Now give me a minute while I figure out how to upload the video/audio and picture from my piece of shit Motorola Razor....

V~"

You can believe this guy 100%. He was at the NY Hammerstein shows and has proven to be a loyal friend and fan within mygnrforum for years. Now, all that we have to do is to wait for the video (which is on it's way-thanx Almost Famous). ;)

Yeah I was going to post that up here.  Very good read actually.  Did you say he had a video of all of the studio versions?  That would be great...

Only a part of The Blues.

Holy shit. I kept refrshing htgth hoping for some excitement, well I GOT IT! :peace: Can i get a link to the thread at mygnr please?

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=79906

This guy can seriously be trusted?

I can't help but be skeptical, but I really hope he's telling the truth.

He's definately a reliable poster. I don't know him personally but I'm sure a lot of people will vouch for him.

wow, i'm skeptical, but still, you never know do you?  :P

Yeah, it looks like hes been around a while...would be nice to hear some studio versions.  What a great day that would be to walk into something like that....new STUDIO versions of GN'R songs..WOW

i really believe this guy, can't wait to hear what he recorded ?:)

hes reliable. i cant wait!!

Here's what he said:

"Ok, I sent the pic fo AF. Now I'm figuring out the Vid. I tried inserting it to a text message but it said "reached filse size limit" or something like that.

Now I'm trying to attach it as a Multimedia Message...


Thanks, jc, we'll se what we can do."

I'm not saying I doubt the guy, but isn't funny how people with good stuff never knows how to upload it on the internet? :hihi:

I guess that happened with IRS and the other demos.. :P

If it were any other time, there would be so much more bashing then this.

Unfortunately, I still have to remain skeptical, as it kinda sounds too good to be true.

;D

I know what he means about the end of The Blues with the powerful scream, it's the way Axl sang it at HOB, only it's extended scream like IRS and goes over the whole outro I bet. I can't fucking wait to hear that, it'll make me piss my shorts. Axl can rarely pull it off live and hearing a studio version would make me dance naked in the streets.

What do ya know -this album could actually be released this year!  :yes:

Don't jinx it, b*tch!  :rant:

Just kidding.  :love: :-*

Hopefully this turns out to be real and clear... this makes my day  :peace:

well it would be cool for this too be true but without a clip.  we can't be positive yet. :::waits for clip:::  :-\

The clip is only 25 seconds and he said you can only make out the song at the very end, so let's not get our hopes up, it's just enough evidence to prove he's not lying.

Mrvics wouldn't lie though, he's an honest, cool fan and I've spoken to him in the fast - I believe him 100%.

Nah, he isn't a liar.  Very reliable poster at MyGNR.  Doesn't post BS so I believe it-

^but could he of just heard the versions we already know? from that far away it could be those ones. I guess we'll find out.? :yes:

Why would people inside a Geffen Studios office building be blaring a bootleg of The Blues?

Besides, he said Axl does a scream at the end that we've never heard. I think it's legit.

If you look up where Geffen is located and then the DMV in Santa Monica, CA you will see they are indeed across the street from each other. ?He heard something, that's for sure!

IDK. I hope it legit. This is the first time in 13 yrs i think the CD may actually come out. this looks promising.  :o

This is some saucy stuff, indeed!

Fuck i wish i was this guy! imagine that, just minding your own buisness, and oiutside of a huge bulding, those studio versions are blaring out. fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!  :peace:

If all goes well, we'll hear the studio versions within the next three months anyway.

This is really cool news. I'm especially excited about the positive review of Axl's "album voice" : ok:

I believe this mofo.  i want to hear better , NOW./

This is the most random story I think I have ever heard. ?Therefor, I think it is true.

But honestly, who cares. ?We all know the albums coming out this year. ?We just have to wait a little longer. ?I personally think we will get something before October 2oth. ?I don't see them touring behind only the name GNR again. ?It would be a huge mistake! ?For example, there coming to the Rose Garden in Portland Oregon. ?There's no way in hell they are going to sell that thing out unless they have a single, or an album out.

Imagine all the people who walked by and never gave it a second thought. maybe some recognized Axl's voice but the thought of it being new material from the new Guns n' Roses album never crosses their mind. Poor saps not in the know :hihi: I guess "not in the know" could refer to us as well though. How about "not as much in the know" :hihi:

As my htgth shirt proudly says.. "We know better"  :yes:

 :hihi: So true. That's the definitive answer to my question in that thred the other day. :beer:

geffen records? is GN'R under geffen, interscope or universal? I heard them all? ?:confused:

Yeah man, Geffen has been there RECORD COMPANY since GN'R started...

Universal, Interscope, whatever.. are something different..

Haha, good point :hihi:

Now I can't wait to see/hear this! ?While some may think it's not important it's more progress than we have had in how many years now? ?Maybe they were having a little listening party up there since GNR is in CA anyway, just reviewing the tracks. ?Who knows, but to know it has come this far is a pretty AWESOME feeling IMO. ;D

I just pee'd a little ;)

GREAT: AF at mygnr has to go watch a movie now ::) ::) ::)

I would need to hear something to believe this..

but if Indianna Rose says trust him.. I'll give him some benefit of doubt..

Very cool story. Sounds too detailed to be BS, plus he's got audio and pics. I bet we're gonna get a steady stream of info now that more of the people at the record company are getting news. ?:beer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geffen_Records

Geffen, Interscope, A&M all technically under the same umbrella-

Universal Music Group and this site care about your privacy. Universal Music Group consists of: Interscope Records, A&M Records, Geffen Records, Dreamworks Records, Island Def Jam Music Group, Lost Highway Records, MCA Nashville, Mercury Records, Motown Records, Universal Records, Verve Music Group, Universal Classics and Universal Music Enterprises as well as a multitude of record labels owned or distributed by its record company subsidiaries around the world.

http://privacypolicy.umusic.com/

The real question is where are the other 12 songs on the album? Why only the ones we have heard?

I can vouch for this guy too. Never posted bullshit before, been around a while.

Well, if he HAS to....  :rofl:

Incredible.

Any other time he's at his computer. Dammit!  :rant:

dude obviously went insane waiting at the line at the DMV. ?We have all been there. ?after about 6 hours in line I start hearing shit that aint there too.

LMFAO!!!! Ya know, I want to believe that his story is true, but your version of things could damn well be true too. The DMV is the worst bureaucracy in the world.

Haha, insane at the DMV-

Nah, he has it, he just has the same technical ability as me-none.

I believe he is going to put video of his cell cam video on Yousendit, or last I read over there

Does MrVicks have MSN/AIM?

No clue, go over to MyGNR and ask him

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^ SOON IS THE WORD MOTHERFUCKERS.  :confused:

Forgive my ignorance
What is the DMV? Is it dangerous?  :nervous:

Bandita, you managed to make an .ASF of the webcast the other night. That's a hell of an accomplishment compared to the rest of us on here!

I beat you to it.  :hihi:

Department of Motor Vehicles, its like where you go to get your license and stuff

DMV = Department of Motor Vehicals.? where we register our cars.? and get raped in the wallet to drive on the roads.

yeah i deleted that post. damn i sware u must have the fastest computer in the world.. ur always all over the place :rofl:

Thanx  :)

Damn right! RR, can it be that there are 3 of you?  :o

True but it took me every band prior to GNR to figure out how to get it working. ?Hence I was fiddling for 3 hrs. :rofl:

He is uploading the vid to YouSendIt as we type here.....

Lara, as someone else mentioned, it's the Department of Motor Vehicles. As for the amount of danger it presents, it's only dangerous in the sense that it can make you REALLY drowsy from boredom while you're in there waiting in line. Then when you come out, you're expected to drive as well as non-drowsy citizens on the road!

He is uploading a video,the file is 98megs and 60 seconds long ?:rofl:

Just so you guys know that arent reading MYGNR. He couldnt get the clip from his phone to the internet.. so he  videotaped the phone, with his digital camera.. he's not very good at computer stuff I can telll.. and anyway its 96MB and he's uploading to YSI now... and its at like 12 percent as we speak..

To be clear he took a video cam video of his cell phone video I believe, because he could not get it to upload off his phone, hence the size-

EDIT: Dammit EFISH you are too fast for me 8)

thats cool that you did it.. I am such a computer nerd I downloaded it and had it working within 3 minutes. ?But I do that crap for a living so that's my excuse lol.

sounds fishy to me... he could just play his mp3's in the background! lol

I'll take it how I can get it.. can't wait to see it though ?:peace:

If this is true (which I think it is) Chinese Democracy is right around the fuckin corner!

You'd be surprised to know I'm also doing all this with only one hand!

I mean... never mind.  :nervous:

Tabs and Comcast Wireless are my friends.

(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l147/idiotwind_2006/0925061657yq6copy.jpg)

I am a very determined gal!

I just converted it to DVD too and it looks like crap! Blah

OK, back on topic, I hope we can actually hear something on this video he is uploading!

MrVicks is technologically impaired.

Can someone ask him if he has AIM/etc. I don't have a MyGNR account.

You could always try "mrvics" in AIM and see if it's him.

Pah-lease...  ::)

Someone is inquiring about other methods using the phone.

I don't dispute that he heard something but how exactly can everyone here be sure that he indeed heard studio versions of these songs. His descriptions are interesting but from his observation point, very suspect.

Axl is going to sue mrvics and have his cell phone taken away. ?Cease and desist letters are being texted to him as we speak!

But I don't have AIM.

It's a shame the people who always experience these things are never the ones who know how to rip an MP3 or video file...

All he has to do is plug his Razor into his PC with a USB cable and enable it as an external drive and find the damn file.  :rofl:

What?

Why would they be blaring demos from the Geffen building?

and you say that because???

This story lines up with the timeline that was said earlier - GN'R were going to listen/finalize the mixes, hence the movement of the shows. This is where they would be doing this. Also, mr.vics has been a mygnr member since '03, and wouldn't post bullshit

I saw the care bears there once...............

Notice that guy behind the door in the SECOND post of this pic.

HAHAHAHA.

Explain something though. Why don't YOU have AIM?

It's the internet - anyone can post bullshit.

And why would Geffen blare studio tracks out the window? I am more willing to believe someone had a mix cd of the leaks and some live material and was playing that while eating their lunch.

Yea, I don't buy it. Especially the demos we all have heard already............

I PMed him this info.

plus it is mygnr.....I don't trust anything that derives from that place.

If I am wrong, I will cope to it, but this is far from proven.

I spy Axl!

It's Photoshopped - this is just an elaborate hoax.

THAT IS AXL FUCKING GOD DAMN ROSE READY TO BEAT THIS GUY UP FOR TAKING PICTURES!

Maybe they were not aware it was spilling onto the street, wtf knows. ?Let's see what we get in the video-

Let's ask the one who posted the pic TWICE.  :rant:

someone photoshopped Axl into that pic :rofl:

he's huge, i don't think he would fit through those doors. ?i thought Fat Axl was gone!

who changed the picture, the guy who reposted the picture of the guy who took the picture?

The guy in the pic has a shaved head if you look closely

A lot of you will feel stupid once this turns out to be true. :-*

Guys!

Check this thread.

There is a link to the pic and a pic posted. Compare them.  ;)

That is the main thing. Everything that comes from that place is bullshit, even the people I met in LV from that board.........were morons.

yeah shaved heads help you fit through tight spaces.

HEY GUYS...treat this as an UNVERIFIED RUMOR... but I've stumbled upon a photo and it seems that Axl Rose may be visible in it. It's hard to spot but if you look closely you can just make it out. Tell me what you think. I'm pretty sure I also spotted Ron in the background, but my eyesight isn't so good.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l147/idiotwind_2006/09250616574yq6copy.jpg

But if it is, who gives a shit?

It's four songs that we've already heard.

It's obviously a hoax because there's nothing new - therefore making it believable.

And someone needs to use to learn Photoshop correctly.

someone should post trent reznor in the window.

I'm originally from that board :hihi:

Not funny

Someone should post a giant Godzilla Axl Rose tearing apart a Geffen Studio and replace the microphone in his hand with a chunk of the building as he's about to eat it.

OK now I see what you mean. ?They are different.

Not including R_R's pic which is hilarious BTW,

HMMMM?



I beat you to it.? :hihi:

and:

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l147/idiotwind_2006/0925061657yq6copy.jpg

Different pics...

Why waste your time on this? When you could get so much more attention telling us you are gay?

Man, you had how many accounts banned from mygnr  :beer:

Yeah man, even the initial IRS radio leak and the other demo leaks (Better, I.R.S, There Was A Time) which came out about a year and a half later were bullshit too, right? ::)

yeah i guess someone photoshopped the original picture, so this guy might be telling the truth, i originally thought the guy had done it but i guess it was someone else.

Yep, I remember people didn't believe that either.

"That's not GN'R! This is BS!"

Then Merck said it was real and people got real quiet.

yeah and correct me if I'm wrong but a mygnr alumni had somthing to do with CITR....

Lets see...........one or two hits out of how many swings?

Do the math.

Eventually something will happen. That doesn't mean the board is not bullshit generator.

Oh good god, of course it's Photoshopped, can't you see Axl in the window?!  :hihi: I posted the real photo before:



That's the real one, no revisions.

It's not much anyway, can't wait to get some VIDEO!  :peace:

CD is coming out in dec.

I'm sorry that you're an established poster over at the retard pool, but regardless of who leaked things, this entire thread is insignificant.

dude,  :rofl:, seriously

I gotta be hoenst SLCPUNK, this board generates alot of bullshit too. There are ?jerkoffs at both boards but also alot of great and reliable people as well. : ok:

Says who..?

Seriously that was a mistake, I deleted it. I copied the wrong URL.

Here it is:

(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2375/0925061657yq6.jpg)

The initial radio IRS version wasn't from mygnr.com. But oh well..

I didn't say that it did not.

But that board REALLY produces bullshit. Enough for me never to post or care to read anything from that board.

"I want to thank you all downloaders , without you we wouldnt be here tonight"

That was a pretty good photoshop job!

i hope this video uploads soon, it's wouldn't be too bad to get some sleep tonight...

Why is that? People always want news and finally something very cool comes to light and people want to bash it? Why? the guy claims to have heard final products of certain songs coming form a Geffen office building. how is that even remotely insignificant? Did you or anyone else hear potential final mixes of any of the songs today? Personally I think this thread is very exciteing.

So what do we have now?

I video of a camera phone video recording IRS coming from the top of a building?

Don't tell me that an airplane is also flying overhead while this is all happening too?  :hihi:

Actually I think he recorded The Blues :hihi: :rofl:

This is bullshit .

This is basically my point. I just find it fascinating how some of you people decide to just slag off Mygnr as always being full of shit when some of the same posters who post here at Here Today also post there as well and vice versa. We're all intertwined in the fuckin' GN'R community. The same amount of bullshit comes out of all GN'R boards.

Anyways, back to topic...

Dunno why everyone is doubting this story...Vic is honest and has "street cred" on MyGNRForum, he isn't a liar and he is just having technical issues.

Because we have heard everything you could imagine online over the last 7 years or so that is why.

I can't take anything seriously, or without giving it a good ribbing. If it turns out to be true, then that's fantastic. But there must be a thousand threads that start like this and then end up like:

FAKE: MrVics at mygnr.................

The next day.

So I'm going to blast it, question it, doubt it and laugh at it. And that is if I even feel like paying it attention (which for some odd reason I do tonight.)

yes I do

Can you say the day exactly ?!

this is a bunch of crap. If it takes him this long to upload 98 megs then he is on a slow connection. ?I am going to watch Heros. ?have fun waiting.

Clever observation there captain obvious  : ok:

Even an upload isn't evidence. I need to hear enough detail to prove that it is STUDIO and not some scratchy SB or Boston promo recording.

fair enough but in my honest opinion this is the most interesting thread(fake or not) in this section in days maybe weeks. It's like a calm before the storm right now and it's really boring. At lest this thread shows potential that someone may have finally heard the actually album version of songs and it may be an indication that if the album is being played where the public can hear it, it may also be close to leaking. Though if it turns out to be complete bullshit than at least I was entertained for awhile. :hihi:

It caught my attention because it is a different story (then those lately.)

Also I want it to be real because of everything going on, so I read on.

But similar stories were whipped up back in 02...........all bullshit. Some had the same "problems", ie not able to upload pictures, etc.

I hear ya. But one of these stories has to be true eventually.

Well ironically...........it's all off topic, since it's bullshit anyway.

Well yea, that's what I mean.

99.9 percent are bullshit.

So I'm going to blast away.

Show me a photo of you and bumblefoot after a show. Fuckin great! Good for you, I'm glad, and bet you had a blast.  8)

Tell me you took a cell phone camera video but can't upload it, so you videotaped that with your old VHS camcorder from 1991, and are in the middle of an exam, so can't get it up til next week (for example).............I'm going rag on your ass.

I WANT THIS TO BE TRUE!!!


so piss of you haters!!! If you got nothing positive to say about new Gn'R than beat it.... whoa :o. holy crap what just happened there? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This has nothing to do with being positive about the new GnR or not dudio.

I love new GNR, just as much as old...........

Damn the liars and bullshit attention whores is what I say.

That is just ummm..DISTURBING

MY EYES!!!!!!!

Where is this freakin video? ?It's all a sham to keep us here posting nonsense at each other!

But at least I am :rofl:

I know, the wait is driving me crazy.

But seriously, Ron Howard singing the golden oldies of GN'R's back catalog? Not such a bad idea...  :peace:

That was my next question.............where's the beef?

No.  : ok:

(of course.)

I was just joking. It was me taking the piss on myself. :rofl: Or maybe it wasn't funny :-\

(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l147/idiotwind_2006/vma13.jpg)

Maybe I am tired.................. :P

Last post of Mr Vics at MYGNR:

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To all, I need to be clear: this short clip is 25 seconds long and, at this point, I can only upload a video of it.. You will notice that it's The Blues but you will not notice any of details that I noticed from standing there for half an our. So to be clear, this short clip will only give my story credibitliy but you will not (unfortunately) get to hear the differences in these songs that proved them to be studio versions (see my original post).

Are we all clear on that?


V~

Thank you  :-*

HOLY SHIT!!!

CD starts now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 :P

I shoud have said "taking a stab" instead of "taking the piss" Sounds too much like "Taking a piss". :hihi:

mrvic ?posts:



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To all, I need to be clear: this short clip is 25 seconds long and, at this point, I can only upload a video of it.. You will notice that it's The Blues but you will not notice any of details that I noticed from standing there for half an our. So to be clear, this short clip will only give my story credibitliy but you will not (unfortunately) get to hear the differences in these songs that proved them to be studio versions (see my original post).

Are we all clear on that?


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go to sleep guys

This is not helping much in the credibility...

Isn't he uploading the original video as soon as AF is back from the movie he had to go see?  ;D

Maybe we'll hear something then.

Edit: Not that I'm staying up all night, anyway...

Yeah, that gutted me.

Basically he's saying we won't be able to hear anything...what a waste of an hour of my life that I could have spent staring at a wall or lying on the floor doing nothing.  :no:

No, after the movie, AF said he must go to bed.  :rofl:

Thousands of GN'R fans and when we need them suddenly the die-hards all disappear and the one guy who has something can't for the life of him figure out how to upload video off of his cellphone, despite the fact that random people do it all the time on YouTube with stupid videos that don't matter. "SEP 20TH VIDEO FROM CELL PHONE OF AXL SAYING 'YOWSA' AND THEN DANCING A LITTLE." Wow, then we get a clip of a studio track and.... oh well. :-\

I don't know. I trust IndiannaRose and if he says we can trust this guy I'll give him the benifit of the coubt. I mean I'd like to think if I posted somthing people would feel they could trust me. It's getting close(god I hoep it's getting close) so I guess maye I'm more likely to belive this stuff at this moment.

I truly beleive he is telling the truth. Even when we get this video from his digital, taken of the video on his phone.. i expect people to be negative, because the crap quality.. but you will all see... we will know the truth of the events tomorrow. and i reeeeeally beleieve it to be true everyone.

P.S: It's at 65 percent.

If at all possible, you want to avoid peeing on yourself, unless absolutely necessary...........

it's threads like this that make me think axl should NEVER release the album.  :rofl:

like WTF? .. it's like sightings of bigfoot , loch ness or UFO's!!!

The next tour should be called "Chinese Democracy - real or hoax?" ... either that or a TV Documentry about it.

hmmmmm .... tv documentry about if the album is "real" or not .. with interviews with musicians and producers and execs who have worked on it or worked with axl ... that would sell.

I think he is saying we will hear sound for 25 seconds but not see much else? ?And possibly it will sound like The Blues-

He was standing there for a while but can only record small clips.

then why are you in the thread

He's been here for the past hour complaining.  :rofl:

Some people...

No . ? If Axl had a website ?in which he communicated ?with his fans ?shitty threads ?like this wouldn't exist. ?

Instead of having fun like us, passing the time....

Mr Vics at 65%

I don't know why we shouldn't believe him...for once Chinese Democracy is almost in our hands....10 years of waiting will come down to a matter of weeks.

The thing is apparently this guy is ?a ?respected/reliable/good member at mygnr for 3 years or so. Sure it's only the internet but would someone be willing to ruin that kind of reputation over some bullshit thread? I don't knwo. I doubt it. I could be wrong.

This thread is what makes Guns interesting...if it was all laid out for us where would the element of surprise be...we just have to mull through the rock to find the gold. ?:hihi:

bwaha ha ha ha ha. ?This is ?the funniest post ever. ? ?" would someone be willing to ruin that kind of reputation " ? ?I can't stop laughing ?:rofl: :rofl:. ? ? ?

This could be totally legit you guys. U2 had clips leak about a month ago. 4 songs recorded on a cell phone while the music was being played loudly out of a building window. you could hear the water crashing on the beach in the background hence the name of the clips "Beach clips" Anyways it's isn't impossible for this to be true. "the beach Clips" turned out to be VERY legit. :peace:

Well the guy is UPLOADING SOMETHING and it is taking him all night to do it. ?Do you really think he wants to waste hours uploading something that isn't what he says it is after he has been a poster on that forum for over 3 years?

Come on people. ?It may not be something fabulous. ?But give the "fake" and "bs" comments a break. ?He was obviously in front of Geffen since it IS right near the DMV there. ?Why would record execs be playing 4-5 year old demos? ?For shits and giggles?

If you get 10 Karma points they send you an official Jarmo (c) (r) Llama (ALL RIGHTS RESERVED) in the mail.

Not really, but that'd be cool.

Why?? because ?I said ?I thought ?this was bullshit?? ? ?wow ? I have never heard anyone say something like that on this board ?before . ?Chill out ?man. it's just a message board of a rock band. ? ?

Axl told them to mess with our hearts!  :hihi:

I think we should pay a homeless man to stand outside the Geffen building all day and night and give him a cheap throwaway cell phone, and then he can text one of us any time he hears music, and he can record it.

Think about it. You make relationships with people on here whether you like to think so or not. You have an idea of who you can trust and who you can't. there are people on here who's opinion's you likely repsect. ?If suddenly the people who you considered freinds and who you felt considerd youa ?credible poster suddenly felt you post bullshit in an attept to gain attention where does that leave you? I mean for myself I like to be taken seriously when I post otherwise why would I even bother. So if this guy feels the same way why would he bother posting bullshit. it's an honest question.

Why does anybody do any of the crazy things they do here? Many before have gone to great lengths to confirm their stories.............

Hey darling, listen to me. The guy is an honest dude. You can trust him. Take my word for it.

79%, were getting there ;D




Oh shit, i thought this was the Tellatubbies forum. Peace out ya'll :peace:

I can't recall you posting anything positive anywhere. ?Do you join forums because you are a miserable soul and must project your negativity everywhere? ?I am sure there are a number of mental health forums that would gladly take you under their wing.

This forum is about GNR. ?In case you weren't sure.

I'm a fan of GNR . ?But I am not some freak that takes everything about them seriously ?either . ?I am still wondering ?what i said ?in this thread ?besides the "this is bullshit" comment that has you all bothered?

How about constantly saying this is bullshit and being an intolerable asshole and telling us to "go to bed" and reposting the message from MrVics twice to emphasize your "point"?

May I ask why you continue to post in this thread if you believe it to be such bullshit?  I don't mean to be obvious or anything like that but you are sitting here with the rest of us and instead of joking and waiting you are just hurling insults from time to time. ::)

Try, for starters, you consistantly poor attitute toward the band and other fans.?

Call yourself a fan... start by acting like one.

wow  .  this place  is getting wierd  .  I'll just go check  the mygnr thread.   They seem to be a little more sane than you guys  .    bye .

What are we going to argue about when CD is out...there will be no more drama...Axl, release CD in 2 more years...lets ride thedrama wave! ?:rofl:

How does a fan "act"?

Yes, go yell bullshit over there I am sure they will appreciate it greatly. ::)

BUH BYE

We jump on every little tidbit of info and we tear it apart until we've caused half the board to hate us and then we look for truth inthe aftermath...and then jarmo puts us in our place : ok:

When placed in a setting with other fans of similar interest - a fan is to act in a civil, constructive manner. ?Disrupting the enjoyment of other 'fans' is unfanlinke and unacceptable in a controlled environment. ?:hihi:

Edit: Thanks for asking  :peace:

Sorta makes us seem like lab rats, eh? :hihi:

amen to thatbono, there is no need to post BS.

Good grammar. ?: ok:

When you think about it - we are a bunch of lab rats. ?Our reactions are tested by a tidbits of information... one could make a case that Jarmo is running a big sciencefair project...

we're gonna have so much more to argue about hahah.. next album, touring, etc et cetc....
i cant wait!!

It's simple, a GN'R fan is dedicated enough that Axl Rose could market cans of his shit and we would eagerly drink it, counting down to the days until it is released on the market. "Holy shit AXL ROSE SHIT! I CAN'T WAIT TO DRINK THAT SHIT!" That's how dedicated and crazy a true fan is. Something tells me you probably wouldn't even be willing to kiss Axl if he asked you to, and that, my friend, is not the mindset of a true fan.

wait for the "error, sorry guys, I'll have to start again" message  :hihi:

I can't see why we shouldn't believe him, If it were a year ago I might be skeptical, but these days we are so close.

And I can't wait for that... The critique of the album itself will go on for years.. people are still bitching about the illusions after 15 years - CD will probably go on forever.

amen to thatbono, there is no need to post BS.
 : ok: exactly. People who are true fans won't post bullshit. I have no desire to do it and I have no desire to give people reason to believe that if I do post something of significance that I'm full of shit. If IndiannaRose among others feels this guy is legit I'll give him the benifit of the doubt untill he's proven to be a fake. Like I said to SLCPUNK, one of these days something like this has to be true. ?:beer:

I guess your right...and we are supposed to have three albums over the next three years, the drama will never end.

Edit: Progress on 25 second video clip: 98% complete... Actually, again, it's a 60 second clip of the 25 second clip played on repeat.

This post has been edited by mrvics: Today, 01:16 AM



And then Madison just told everyone off for going off topic.

After Chi Dem is released we can argue over how long it should take Uncle Axl to release the other two albums that they have been working on this whole time : ok:

yeah lets get through round  1 !.lol

Aren't we on like round two now...I lost track.

This whole scenario is just plain weird. However, in the Gn'R world it just makes perfect sense that this will end up being the way that we finally hear studio clips.

C'mon... we've got to be atleast at like Round 6 by now ::)

been refreshing this page like crazy.....can't wait to hear this damn clip

Axl is probably really upset that the whole "Round One" thing never caught on. He probably canceled the 2002 tour because people weren't chanting "ROUND ONE! ROUND ONE!" at the '02 concerts.

Knowing Axl he'll try it again in like five years and drop it real subtle, he'll be doing an interview and the guy will be like "So CD was a big success, what was that like?" and Axl will say: "Oh, well, you know, I really felt good about that, like it was a nice round." Then he'll look at everyone in the audience to see if they like it. If people are smiling he'll take this as a sign that they like it and he'll release an album called The Many Rounds of Axl Rose . The front cover will be him wearing boxing gloves, shirtless, snarling at the cameraman. Inside will be a book-length essay written by Axl during his years of solitude giving an in-depth analysis of what each round was and when, exactly, each round began. Example:

ROUND TWO

This round began on the historic day of March 1st, 2006, when I was clipping my toe nails and the phone rang...

And it'll be fifty pages of completely unrelated nonsense that has nothing to do with the rest of the story before he suddenly says, "And that's when I decided to go back on tour, hence ROUND TWO!"

I'm really bored.  :no:

Second that :hihi: I haven't even posted anything on this topic yet, but F5 is your friend!

Maybe just to prove it's legit?? Who knows.. I wonder the same.

It beats having to go back to listen to it a second time...now we just have to go back and listen to it a third time  :hihi:

Does anyone know where this dude is uploading this to?

Cool, thx guys, at least that doesn't seem like something that will shut down from all of us clicking on it.

this is hilarious. and sad.
a dude walking past the DMV hears Chinese Democracy Studio cuts, didn't bring his recorder, records a twenty five seconds clip of a song with a car going by, can't upload it, makes a video of the cellphone video, takes something like two hours to upload it, and I have have been sitting here refreshing the same goddamn page for those two hours.

where the fuck is it???

Yeah that sucks. But atleast he's sharing this stuff, and I think the clip will be uploaded in other places too.

MrVic is probably Axl, laughing his ass off sitting at his computer yelling "ROUND TWO BIYATCHES!"

great  :beer:

And I've got myself covered!  :beer:

J/K, I'll upload for people!  : ok:

Jesus, I can't even leave and go to work for 8 hours without missing anything these days.  It sounds to me like this guy is pretty reliable, based on what the majority of you have said.  This clip should be interesting but how good can it really sound?? We'll find out soon I hope...

That's funny cause it's probably true...Axl's got the night off right ?:rofl:

We are either the saddest or most loyal fans of any band in rock n roll. Depends on the day I guess :peace:

I hope this was somewhat worth the wait

since when do you need to be fucking logged in to download files?????

unreal

lmao, WORST VIDEO EVER. ?

Please say you're joking.

I couldn't hear a freakin thing!

Just sign up, it's real easy and you get a free meal.  : ok:

I am not joking.. it sounds like a live version to me.  Guitar sounds little out of tune to me during the solo. We have just been had.

hope getting tickets online isn't this difficult. ?:rofl:

too hard to tell. ?i believe the guy and whatnot.. and it sound like axl, but I've got a razor and the audio blows when you record something and I doubt it'd be that loud coming over his phone... its as loud as his voice....

Hahaha yeah, people have waited for hours and hours and the video is like "hhrhhsshrhrshrsh....bluuuessshhhrhsh..shoulddrrhhrh" :hihi:

links don't work for me :-\

You heard way more than I did, all I heard was screeching and watched the guy wave his phone around.

Well this was fun.  :nervous:

My fucking download stopped. It's dead. Motherfucker.

good god. haha. unbelievable. this is all pretty funny though, in a sad way. off to sleep.

another day of fun in GNR land.

that does not sounds like studio guitar to me at all. ?sounds live.

gonna have to mull this over.

Someone rip audio and upload to YSI please.

MrVic must have gotten really drunk this morning.  :no:

I don't know why you guys expected to hear anything of consequence - The guy repeatedly stated that we wouldn't be able to hear a damn thing in the vid, just visual proof.

That's all i want

mrvics should be banned from driving since he was at the DMV. ?That should be his punishment for this.

Someone needs to seriously help this guy get the original source from the phone on here cause there is no distinguishable audio on that clip to my ears!

Thats what I was afraid of!!!!

I can hear it clear as day. Must be my $500 klispch computer speakers.

"The clip is only proof but will not give you the material that I described in that original post."

proof proof?? Bullshit right there... pffff I missed a bus for this shit...  >:(



 ;D

I hope these threads will be in a book called "The Wait Of Chinese Democracy"..

I feel vindicated . ?lol ? ? I didn't even need to download ?this crap. ?to know ?it was fake . ? ?I think ?I saw bigfoot ?I just recorded it ?. ? I am going to uploaded ?it to yousendit . ?It should ?take me about an hour . ?Please stick around ? ?it's worth it ? ? :rofl:

That would be quite an epic tale to say the least!

Here today Gone To Hell Anarchy STarts Now!!!

We really ARE a bunch of lab rats. :o

It is not bullshit and you guys are making yourselves out to look like fools. ::)

Whatever.

Oh btw, nice discussions. :hihi: The Ron Howard connection did scare me a lil' bit. :rofl:

We should be given awards for loyalty!

i HEAR IT ALSO , HAVE THE SAME, WELL NEW ONES i BOUGHT AFTER BLOWING MY OTHER ONES AFTER INLAND INVASIN.LOL

And what is your opinion?  Deal...or no Deal!!

i hear it. but obviously cannot judge itbecause of the quality

i still think its real tho

goodnight folks

I'm just having a go here. hence my  ;D smiley. I do find it funny. I did miss my bus tho  :o

 :hihi:

Ok, I just re-listened and turned by speakers to the max. ?I have an 8 piece set with subwoofer on here so they are pretty decent. ?After he speaks I can hear the song in the background and it does sound like it could be studio quality.

We still need the original source though-

What did you expect?

The guy said he filmed his camera and then uploaded that.

It was going to sound like shit no matter what.............

Some of you are a salesmans dream: Suckers.

I can definatly hear Axls voice, and it doesn't really sound live either

yeah i mean its deffintly possible

i still think we will hear morea bout this event tomororw

anyway cya guys

It's been fun people, someone let me know if the original source surfaces.

I am off to terrorize other topics :hihi:

Just the fact that this guy went through all this trouble makes me believe him.  I hope he can get the original on later tonight or sometime tomorrow though.

I through on the old $200 headphones and I believe this guy.

I could hear it too.. it's so difficult to say, but I could hear Axl's voice and it sounded like it could be studio..

its not fake, its legit
you can cleary hear the blues in the back ground and see geffen on his phone

I'll try to rip the audio from the video...

He filmed his cell phone lol ;D Thanks to him 8) sounds legit !

God damn, I've just finished downloading the file. Im really nervous. Someone has to help that dude to rip the audio and maybe someone with skills can ''clean'' it

Well if it's real or not, the guy sure went to a lot of trouble to film his cell phone.............

Props to you.  :beer:

where can i get this?

The vocals sound different to me - hard to tell though

I am waiting here,thanks in advance. : ok:

Listen to when Axl says "do" in "I don't know just what I should do" - I've never heard him sing it live that way.

I can't convert the file, it always says unknown type... :P

What are you using?

Sorry I'm late, guys, I've been trying to keep up at mygnr.


I fukced up by not getting the part where Axl sings "...was only memories..."  because that's where he hits a note that NONE of us have heard live.  Guaranteed. 

Mark my words, dammit.

Frustrating.

I have the audio, gimme a min and I will post-

When will you be able to post the cellphone video?

Thanx  : ok:

I believe you. I think it sounds pretty good from what I can make out of it, and very much unlike any live recording.
and i'm fucking excited to hear it myself, and thank you for sharing your story.
i say, go back to that building!!! just go check it out, ask around, nothing to lose right?

its the inland invasion version you doofuses...  :rofl:

just heard it bullshit

Just heard it, I believe this guy.

Guys, this is coming from someone who used to listen to The Blues maybe four, five times daily and according to last.fm I've listened to it over 1,000 times just on my computer.

This is studio. Axl has never sung it that way live. The only part that sounds live is the solo. But Axl's voice is crisp, clear and sounds like it did on the leaks. He also has never sung "do" the way he sings it in the file we have.

Of course, we'd be able to hear it much better if that guy would figure out a way to get the video DIRECTLY off his phone rather than recording it through another device.  :rofl:

I listened. I believe him.

I envy MrVic so much.  :no:

I believe him too.

And yeah, I just compared it to Kroq version, Axl doesn't sing the same.

Anyway, it's not a big deal, if you don't believe him, you're not losing anything...

Okay mr vics, heres what you do...you but 4 or 5 coffees and march into the place you heard this coming from, tell them you are here on a coffee dlivery, start handing coffee to people whilst snooping and looking for anything that says guns n roses on it, when you see something, grab it and run!

it was a good gesture , and I have no reason to disbelieve. I know all to well about crappy recordings.lol

First Vic needs to get this off his phone DIRECTLY - the video file direct from the phone, not through a camcorder.

Then he needs to go back to Geffen and ask them what was going on today and what he heard and see what they say.

its def studio...you can hear it in Axls voice and tone. He has never sung it some parts like that....what line is Axl singing at 2-4 seconds and 29-32 sec and 57-59 seconds???

Read my original post, especially the part about Axl hitting higher and longer notes in The Blues and the different back up vocals in Madagascar...

If/when I am proven correct, I'm ?calling you out (and everyone else calling it bullshit). ?In all fairness, though, I don't blame you but I'm still going to call you out when either the album is released or when I personally get better proof.


V~

lol, mr vics is now a very busy man with all the homework he has to do tommorrow lol :hihi:


seriously, thanks mr vics for all the efforts, very appreciated :peace:

most people here believe you :beer:

Vic,

I am going to PM you. Please read what I have to say. I believe you and want to help you get the DIRECT video off your phone.

The point is, the guy was kind enough to re-redord this shit, upload it (for 1+ hour) and having some of us bitching all night about how shitty or fake it would be.

Fake or not (I think not), we're a bunch of (some) pricks.  :rant:
If I were him I would sincerely think twice before getting into so much trouble just to share it with a few smartasses. (They know who they are)  :rant:

Thanx man

I don't doubt you mrvics...you came through for us and if nothing, you added a little excitement!

It's true !!!  : ok:

Sounds legit to me - mrvics is the man!

So can I say it?

Ahhh, what the hell..

CHINESE DEMOCRACY STARTS RIGHT FRIGGIN' NOW! : ?:hihi:

Thanks again Mr. Vics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what line is Axl singing at 2-4 seconds and 29-32 sec and 57-59 seconds???

The fact that Geffen is doing this means that the promo for the album has started. Why else would Geffen blast the new GN'R tunes all throughout a street in Santa Monica?

Hell, I think we can start dusting off the ol' calendar and get are pens out to mark in the Chinese Democracy release date...you can taste it...can't ya!

As a fan, it's my pleasure.

Thanks to you and the others who belive me and support my claims. ? ?


So in summary, my experience today told me two things: 1. The vocals on the final album are amazing! ?And, 2, Chinese Democracy IS coming. ?Without a muthafuckin' doubt! ?

You really think skepticism before we heard the clip was unwarranted? How long have you been here?

Exactly.

How this clip could convince anybody is beyond me anyway.............

A
afuckn man, dude, that so musta rocked. :beer:

You must either have really poor speakers or you haven't listened to The Blues enough.

Seriously, that's studio. Clear as day. Listen to the vocals, man.

well wow man, today was pretty awesome for me in GNR land. Got a tour date in my city, gonna be a seein' GNR for the first time in two months, and heard about 7 seconds of studio Blues.
again, thanks for this dude. and gooo back tommorow!!!!!!!! Some great suggestions here about the cleaning lady, coffee distribution, try getting in though a vent maybe....

You can call it many things, but clear as day isn't one of them.

I'm not completely convinced but I admit the clip is intriguing.

what line is Axl singing at 2-4 seconds and 29-32 sec and 57-59 seconds???

I was sceptical too, but didn't bitch all the time. At all, actually.  ::)

Then you can't fault others for voicing theirs.

Like ?I mentioend earlier I would expect the album to leak very soon. I mean if Geffen is playing it where the public can hear it, a leak of the entire album can't be far off. ?I mean we've basically got 3 months. That's it. We need a single and a release date. I would bet the single to be on radio 1-2 months before the album. So if I'm right in this theory ?a single will happen any day and then the album will leak shortly after that and then we'l all get to buy the freaking thing finally!!!! For the first tiem ever I am gonna say it. ?I believe 2006 is the year!. Axl said "this year" Merck said "this year" Mysteron said "This year", everyone is saying "this year". MrVics has shown us what's believed to be studio clips. If the album doesn't come out this year who would support this band ever again after being so blatantly lied to? They wont' do that to us. It is coming!!!! :drool:(I never use that smilie by the way)

I cant hear hear any singing until after mrvics finishes speaking.

I believe I can.

HOLY SHIT THAT SOUND PRETTY FUCKIN LEGIT TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :peace:

Dude how many times do you will make the same question?! ::)
It is inaudible... :yes:

It is hard to tell if is Estudio or not, AXl voice sounds something like studio...
Thanks for share the file Mrvics. :peace:

It was your choice not to voice your skepticism.  In fact, there is no board rule suggesting that anyone here is forbidden to do so.

It's clear for me.

But then again I have a 5.1 system with Altec Lansing, on regular speakers it may be compressed more or whatever...dunno...but I can hear it really well...

I know it's poor quality but I'm glad you and others can hear some difference. ? ?Thanks.

i believe this guy and i think it really is a sign that CD is coming soon!  my purpose in life will finally be fulfilled woohoo  :beer:

He isn't singing anything, but at about 56 seconds Axl screeches over the guitar solo, which has never been done live. Ever.

Nothing is being sung at the other places you mentioned.

To voice is not the right verb here.

Anyway, I'm aware of the rules, you're just missing my point.

 :peace:

the clip ant brillant, its poor quality!!

but good work, ony got a little wait now!

p.s cant some1 clear it up??

its hard to tell but I kind of believe it-  the lyrics seem smooth compared to the all the live versions.

hopefully the album leaks soon!

We all know the album is coming this year! When is the question!

I'd estimate that the vocals were from around 1999, sound verrrry similar to CITR which we know was recorded then. Axl's voice is very easy to place (which is cool I think) - around 1999 he had that softer, layered voice and that's what this sounds like. Kinda hard to tell from such a short clip, but there's no way those are live vocals.

Has anyone thought of this guy just walking into the place and asking some questions? ?No harm in that, he should just say Hey I liked the tracks where can I get them at? ?Something like that maybe they'll reveal when the album is being released?!

I PM'd him suggesting he go back tomorrow and ask them what was playing today, but I don't know if he read my PM or not.

Damn, hungry GnR fans seem to be everywhere these days!  :hihi:

I believe I understand your point correctly. And 'voice' is precisely what I meant.

me a hungry hungry hippo

Sounds like poop.............

I would not base an decision off of that clip, no way.

Most people here are believing it until it becomes true to them I think.

It would be great if it were true, but I'm not basing anything off of that clip.

I know you meant 'voice', but what was happening was 'bitching'.
I know it's allowed, I'm just saying the guy didn't have to share this with a bunch of bitching people
(again - I'm not talking about all of the posters on this thread - you can read back, but I think you got me).

 : ok:

Holy shit! ?I just noticed that I have 6 new pm's. ?Sorry guys. ?I'll read them now. ?I didn't notice them because I'm hardly ever on this site and I don't have it set to give me notices...

No, I can hear it very well. I can make out every lyric, I can hear the guitar solo. And I know Axl has never sung the song like that live before. And Geffen has no reason to be playing bootlegs out of their office.

I want the raw video or raw audio and thanks for recording this.

I hear nothing. Just soundcrap. ?:hihi:

so who is camping from the geffen office 2day than???

 ;D

Well, stick around man! :beer:

All the cool folks are on HTGTH, heh!

I had to crank it to full volume to hear the studio recording but I heard it for sure the second time listening. ?Also on the mp3 because I am not paying attention to video of the phone.

Isnt there supposed to be an anouncement thsi week? or is that next week?

Why didn't we think of this earlier?   :hihi:

I should scan my reciept from the DMV that shows I payed $560 for my registration on 9-25-06 in Santa Monica, directly across the street from Geffen Records.

Yes, all you Californians, hurry up now, make signs saying "I WANT CD NOW!" and park outside the Geffen building. ?Try not to get arrested, ok? ;D

Dude, please go back there tomorrow and ask them about it. Just see what they say. Take a hidden video camera with you, conceal it in your coat, and record the conversation to silence the doubters.

there's no point in that. I don't think there's an issue about whether this happend or not. I think the skeptics are skeptical that the music played was actual studio versions. i don't think anyone disbelives you were there or this happeend.

I think he was joking...

$560 for a registration for what? Sheezus!!!

Oh. :rofl: I'm getting tired. I missed that one by a mile. :rofl: Now that i read it again i think your'e right. ;D

I'd love to do that simply to silence the doubters and nothing more since I know what I heard today, 1000% certain. 

Silencing the doubters would be great, getting a release date/confirmation would be better.  ;D

That plan cannot possibly fail.
I suggest hiding the camera inside of a stuffed moose. Not a toy one, I'm talking taxidermy.
They'll never suspect a thing.

I'd love to do that simply to silence the doubters and nothing more since I know what I heard today, 1000% certain.?



So you are gonna go back tomorrow and investigate. head on a swival man. The CD could eb anywhere. ya never know. Maybe wear some janitor looking cothes or rent some UPS or FEDEX uniform. Check every room and closet, desk and drawer. ?:hihi:

HAHAHA!  Ahh, shit!  I needed that laugh.  Thanks man!

You should, because they may actually give you more information. Tell them that you heard "loud music" blaring yesterday and were interested in knowing which band it was, because you want to buy the album. If they say they don't know, ask them if they can find out. If they still wont' help you (it'll probably be a receptionist at the front desk, right?) there's one thing that ALWAYS works - ask him/her what their name is. Then ask if they can speak to a manager or someone in charge. Pretend that you're dying to figure out what music was being played yesterday, and you were too busy to stop and ask because you had to pick up your little brother/son from school.

A little bit of this will work, seriously. A music company is not going to turn someone away who wants to find out about one of their albums. If they try to turn you away, say you're very unhappy with  the service and will be filing a complaint to Geffen's main headquarters or something. It'll work!

I think we should launch a covert operation on Geffen and send undercover Gunners into the office. One person makes a distraction while the other nabs the album.  :hihi:

...or just say Russian sends you.  8)

Perhaps it would have, if not posted publically! ?: ok:

Geffen receptionists aren't reading this at 3 in the morning!  :hihi:

...or someone who rhymes with "Rad Pit."

lol, that sounds brilliant!

I kinda believe to everything today... :hihi:

So are you gonna go back today dude and ask them?

No. ?

It's almost 1am. ? I'll check back tomorrow. ?Good night.

wow- big new topic!  exciting stuff - thanks mrvics, for your efforts.  wonder if any other geffen branches will be playing it over next wee while.......

did we get any audio?!

anyways I think it's fake, the guy is talkig about Axls voice all the time.
like there's nothing else worth noticing in the studio rec.

i personally believe him 100%

CJ

It was coming from the 6th or 7th floor balcony and I had to stand acroos the street. ?The vocals were the easiest to pick up on. ?I noticed some musical changes but, again, I was really focused on the vocals. ?And listen to the clip, the vocals resonate much more than the music behind them. ?Believe what you will but when I'm proven right (read my original post), we'll continue this conversation.

24 pages (and climbing) of a clip which is made up of 95% static noise. How is there anythink to discuss, you can hear practiaclly nothink. I'm not saying he's lying but don't get excited till there is somethink to get excited over (somethink actually listenable)

I don't think anybody got really excited... it's just a cool story 8)

Right, dude type properly

anyTHING, noTHING, someTHING

CJ

This story has more or less the same outline of other stories we heard in these years.

I just heard the file and the little piece of The Blues I can hear seems a very well cleaned and mixed one from some of the best 2002 soundboards

thanks lucs.
havent seen a gunnertemple link in a while :peace:

well I think its fake.
the guitars sound live.
the voice is completely the same as always.
also, can you imagine a guy standing outside in the street holding a cellphone and repeating

"the blues"....."the blues I tell you".... "the blues", "the blues".... "blues studio I tell ya... without a doubt"...

wow , my distorted mind.jeez.l

Ok, with all due respect, this is the dumbest post yet. ?That's why you guys should watch the video instead of just listening to the audio. ?In the video, you can clearly see that it's a 25 second clip repeating itself automatically, three times. ? ?Come on, man.

Can you give me a link to the video please?

 I'll host it..

Lucky,

What have happend is that the GUY DIDN'T KNOW how to put the Video from the cell to the PC ...
then to prove that what he told was true he got his video camera and recorded the CELLPHONE while it was playing the recorded video of the blues ( AND HE SAYS to the camera " The blues ..." etcs ).

If you download the video you'll see it

There's a yousendit link but couldn't find, this is on MegaUpload :peace: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YZ0KDNDC

Shiryu.

Lucky, what about reading the whole topic before posting some shit??

btw, thanks for efforts Vic. CD is coming!!!

THE MOST IMPORTANT thing about this hole story of Mr.Vics is that NOW WE DO KNOW that INTERSCOPE have heard the finalized tracks ( At least those 4 or 5 like the rumour said ... do you guys remenber that ?? ) That means =>THE ALBUM IS AT LEAST ALMOST DONE !!
I think it's already done ... they are just trying to organize the best releasing process

Can somebody tell me where to find a running(working) video-link??

(Sorry for my bad english, hope you know what i mean)

The video file is 98MB.
That's allot considering it has been recorded with a phone!
I sure hope this is true! It must be a great experience!
I hope CD releases this year!

The album is done there is no almost! GNR wouldn't be touring if it wasnt. If they are Axl and the everyone are fucking idiots

I think they already had those tracks four years ago though. They used clips in the radio promos for the 2002 tour, and the studio recording of Better has been around for years as well.

I can't simply believe that at Geffen/Interscope are such idiots to play loud the songs from one of the most anticipated albums ever when it is not yet released.

who has that clip..... if I remember correctly....   The Blues and Madagascar and Chinese Democracy intro was all studio!

most of these songs go back to 2002 so they have been done for a long time now....

this thread is lame also.... everyone making a big deal out of this for nothing..... like it really means much.

Well, some months ago Axl was fooling around with songs from CD and played them in strip and nightclubs... Thats pretty risky if you ask me... So why can Geffen-people play some songs from CD in their office??

has the clip been posted yet? i didnt wanna read 25 pages.

they can, but not as loud to hear them from the front building!!!!

woow!

Great story Chinese Twat!!!

This means that we are getting sooo soooo soooo much closer!
Im sure we are just a couple of months away no!

Cant fucking wait to hear this shit! : ok:

don't know if it's true... but thoes who can hear something in this clip must be really really obsessed :D

or have quality speakers!

used a quality speakers, used a earphones... yes you can heart that it's the blues, but not more :D

and that as all she wrorte..................

To the ones that believe ma and aren't calling it bullshit: Thank you.

To those who can only walk away with "it's inconclusive", I understand and can't blame you.

I can only stand by my original post and if the only proof I can provide is inconclusive, well I can' t argue with that. Though I did listen to that section of The Blues from the remastered soundboard versions and if you study and compare my clip with those other versions, it can become pretty clear. In my clip, even though he's not singing hard at that point, Axl's voice is more constant, full and you can't hear any inhaling or exhaling like you can in all the live versions. But to the average listener, yeah, they all sound the same.


What I heard on Colorado Blvd yesterday afternoon was so far from what we've heard live and so clearly studio versions of these songs that I regret not being more prepared to share that experience with you guys so that more of you could be as excited as I am about this new material. It blew me away. I was one of those that didn't think the new songs we've heard were good enough...but no longer.


Soon enough, my detailed descriptions of these new songs will be proven correct without a shadow of a doubt.


If I find some extra time to waste, I just might go through this thread and make a list of the guys calling me a bullshitter and call them out once the album is released and/or I get better proof myself.


V~

i cant make out a fucking word of that audio.   :crying:

I think it's really not worth it ;)

I think you're right.

and its cool you speak the truth, some people dont get that.

so is any one going back 2day???

think of a master plan surely u can blag ur way in???

 ???

Wow i can hear it!!

His voice sounds clear and very constant.
I havent heared his voice this way live!!!

i believe mrvics

hopefully this means these are ready for release.  : ok:

I gotta agree with this too... yeah, it sucks when you try and share info and get bashed for it, but even if what was heard wasn't final mixes, it's still a great story!

I dunno if anyone answered this yet, but it starts in the solo and Axl sings "I don't know just what I should do" (or something like that).

any one PM me the good clear versin please????


 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

I don't see how you could possibly prove whether you're story's true or not. All you said you heard was that Axl's singing was better that it was live (which it obviously will be on the final cut!) and that Axl was singing some of the harmonies (which he obviously can't do live!)
All this stuff is just a given. And for what it's worth, i think the recording proves nothing as the quality is so poor.

I'm not saying that you're lying - just that when CD comes out and Axl's voice sounds better than it does live, i don't think it'll prove your story was true.....that's all

Well, one proof would be to listen to the end of Madagscar and see if Axl sing the "Finck part" as he said in one of his post.

i wouldn't consider that proof, like i said it's safe to assume  that axl is probably gunna sing most of the harmonies like he does on most GNR stuff. Finck probably only sings it live cos Axl physically can't sing 2 lines at once.

I'm gunna go out on a limb here and say that axl will sing harmonies on the blues too. if he does then i must have heard CD before it came out!!

This story fits in with the whole grassroots marketing that GNR seems to be doing ( leaks, street buzz, etc).

Well, then if we cannot proove it, we'll just have to believe it or not. In any way, it's a great story ! 8)

Mr.Vics,

Why don't you try to upload the video FROM your cellphone to the internet directly ??
Ask to someone how to do it ... that would finish this questions about truth or not and would bring more intersting questions about how the final tracks really sound ;)

PS: The way Axl sings better in the line " I don't know what should I do" sounds diferent from how he sings it live.

Lol, it's the Boston promo all over again. How anyone made anything out of that clip is beyond me. You people are all crazy, that clip is static with about a second of what sounds like the blues barely audible at the end. I find it hard to believe that some of you are talking about this like you can actually tell that it's a studio version or that Axl's voice sounds so much better than it does live.

You can't hear shit on this clip and you know it.

i actually belive this guy. Call me naiv. But i really do!

Anyway! It dosent matter, if its true or false now. Coz the album is
so right around the corner, that no one realize it.. And even will realize
it when they announce it! Keep your eyes open everyday now!

Its getting closer, its right in front of you! If you concentrate and use your
third eye, you can already see it..  : ok:

listen to this and shut up ::) http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=C2C1AFF67E1A0011  * 255 KB size *

Shiryu.

We've been here long enough to tell whether someone is bullshitting. We GNR fans have a trained nose for these things.

Based on his original post, and his history on these boards, I believe him. I haven't even seen the clip yet cus I'm at work.

@#$%Funker

sorry that clip prooves nothing one way or another...prolly fake...mrvics may believe it's real but i highly doubt it...at least from that clip....thanks for sharing though :peace:

Listen with an earphone. I believe it's legit.
Round 2 SOON

dude i could record that with an image of a building on my monitor and the blues playing from rio3 you can't even make out the picture on the phone it's so blurry...sorry but we've been through so many fakes...what make this any different...there is nothing beyond a shadow of a doubt which makes me think this could be real

hasn't an exertive of universal already told that they heard several tracks off cd?



all in rasp? All?!! No wicked falsetto on the intro? If it's the final cut, I'llllllll be hell devastated!!!! :crying:

sounds tweaked, i take back wat i said. now wasnt there supposed to be a video?

Obviously, it's poor quality but the way Axl sings "I don't know just what I should do" especially the "what I should do" part is different from any recording of this song I have ever heard. Ah well, some people wouldn't even believe CD exists even if it were in their hands and they were listening to it: "Hmmm, I don't know. Could be remastered live tracks and some fake tracks thrown in. Smells like bullshit to me, blah blah blah." I guess mrvics will have the last laugh when the album comes out and the tracks are as he described them.

Maybe someone at the office just got their advance copy of the album and decided to blast it? ?::)
The song's BPM is the same as the The Blues studio clip from the radio promo add from a few years back, but if they play it with a click track live, that doesn't mean anything and it could still be a live version.

As always, the weird and curious saga of GN'R absurdities continues. Good story, though. Cool if it's true.

"Everywhere I go I see you" sounds like it had bad sound coming out of the microphone, not studio...

Edit: Just listened to it again, his voice sounds very clean and actually could be studio...

I think it's bulshit. He put the blues online because we've got no demo of it.
Very difficult to hear (excuse me for my bad english)

It was probably someone in the office playing the Inland Invasion concert from a few days ago.

I'm not just saying that his voice will sound better. Of course it will.

I'm being very specific and this is what will prove me right, two things, at least: ? ?

1. In The Blues towards the end where Axl sings, "...were only memories. Whaaaohoooowoohooh." ?He sings that in a very high note that he as not done live anywhere ever (only the "were only memmories" and not before or after). ? 2. ?At the end of Madagascar, he sings the back up vocals in the high pitched voice and the main vocals in the low voice. ? ?

That's being very specific.

These two sepcific things are NOT "given" and you know it. ? ? ? ? ?

READ MY FIRST POST!

It can't be from any concert if the lyrics were sang differently and there were added back up vocals.

I already wasted my time downloading the clip. Perhaps the crack epidemic is worse in LA then I thought.

I'm concerned about the better intro.


In fact vocals were done differently at that concert.
In the better intro, He didn't use the deep falsetto and instead, had a high voice backing him that was IMO, also his.

Actually, the last vocal line in "The Blues", where he sings "...was only memories" was sung very often in an even higher voices, to be specific in Vegas 01, the Euro & Asia Shows 02, at least one of the Hammerstein shows, and at Hammersmith... I would love to hear him sing like that on the record! ?: ok:

makes me want CD  more then ever now !

Even higher than that.     I know what you're talking about and it was higher.

Seriously guys, i don't get what you're discussing about. Even if this is real, so what? We know that studio versions are out there. And it's not like you could actually here something clearly.
We're gonna have the album coming out within 3 months anyways

Just jumped into this and I don't feel like reading 28 pages, lol
Just a question, maybe it was already asked, did you hear the intro to The Blues? Was it the new intro?

didn't you say these were all raspy. :-\ high pitched rasps?

Just that one line was higher. ?Not flat-sounding as he often does live.

I'm late for work.

I'll check back later to answer some of your relevant questions.

High Pitch Rasps Rule,

like the end of November Rain Nowadays.

I started listening at the last third of Better and, no, it did not sound different other than clearer, stronger vocals.? But nothing different, from what I could tell.   This song seemed the least changed from the Demos and live versions of these songs I heard.

well...... then, let's go vote the Geffen workers as the most idiots on earth......

c'mon, that's ridicolous

Being a godzilla fan, I love his recent metalic screeches but not that 'rasp' developed by the overuse of throat during UYI tour.


well I think the flat-sounding is due to the recording.

So the falsetto intro on better was still there?

All links will be removed. This qualifies as a leak.

So don't ask for it either.



/jarmo

SO did merck or someone already confirm it was a studio CLIP?

must be

I couldn't hear anything clear in that The Blues clip, so it really doesn't matter...

Hopefully everything is moving in the right direction with stuff like this goin' on!

I actually believe this guy......I figured at the end of Madagascar it would be AXL singing the backup part, not Robin. And from the clips I have heard it sounds like this dude is right on.........I knew Madagascar would sound amazing.....don't be surprised if this song turns into a MAJOR hit.....

Listen to Madagascar Budapest 06, best version EVER. Axl goes very hight on the last verse and there's also a reverb on his voice "in the storm.... reverb....in the stOOOooormmm" hard to explain it, but it blew me away when i heard it.

Listen at the end when Axl runs near of Richard:? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Z1YDdFKVM
(4:49 to 5:05) ----> Axl sings this verse higher.

mrvics, is it what you heard?

Hm so this is studio version?

Jarmo - can you confirm that Merck asked you to take the link down.
You can't seriously think its worth taking down on the merit as it "qualifies as a leak" :o
Unless you've got a better and clearer version, that shit could be ANY recording.

TOo bad he couldn't capture anymore...

I bet that won't happen again...

I believe hes telling the truth.

What are you guys talking about, someone explain this to me in a personal message please, I dont have time to read this whole thread!!!!!!!!!

So read first post ;) There are written most of important things

I think he's telling the truth.  Really... What would he be gaining by lying about this?

True or not what is the difference? i mean the album will be out in the next 2 months so i don't see how important is that the guy upload a clip of something.
Just my 2 cents.

Agreed.  There really is no benefit by lying.  It's amazing what people cry "bullshit" about on this board sometimes.

attention? that is why people lie mostly... and he did get alot of attention!

but true or not, i dont care frankly, if so, good for him!

I just heard the blues that he recorded.....problem is that he talks on half of the clip and it is hard to tell......You hear Axl singing "I don't know just what I should do, everywhere I go I see you".....it is hard to tell with the static.....I would have to hear more. I'll see what I can do.

he gains the ability to laugh how time and time again people around here can be fooled by these kinds of stories.

so just so i got the story straight....he was walking down the street and heard the studio version of CD playing out of a Geffen office building...if you guys wanna believe it, that's cool I'm just skeptical...i don't know why ::) :hihi:

but your right it doesn't really matter how true it is...i'm just amazed at how certain people are when the clip was total shit the first IRS leak was clearer than that

Yeah, I am skeptic only cause he recorded 20 seconds and talked though half of it.....if that were me I would shut the fuck up and record the whole thing AND stay in front of where he recorded it for hours just to see if they would play it again......well maybe the latter part is over doing it but you know what I mean.

Why does this guy keep on repeating how Axl's voice sounds like?!

what happened to the guitars, to chris pittman,....

1st in madagascar, what version are they playing?! Rir 3 or post rir 3 version?!
2nd are there quotes in madagascar
3rd what about the solos?!

there's a whole bunch of things you could have noticed in the song, and we would have noticed them to, no matter how crappy your recording is,
but yet you chose the focus on one thing we have to believe your word... that Axls voice is diferent... pleasE!!!

take the wttj for example. just listen to the live recording on it, and then listen to WTTJ on AFD...
there's a million things you can hear that sound diferent except Axls fuckin high pitch scream at the "in the jungle welcome to the jungle/...."

HELLO!!!??......so who else listened to this "studio clip" of the blues?......I want some feedback.....I have the audio and video but I am still not sure..... :-\

Wait wait... Listen about 38-40 secs in, can you hear that weird little sound? Thats is the sound that is heard when you put like your mobile phone next to a computer or amplifier...

Go back and read the first post again. He said the MLK stuff is in there or the "quotes" as you call them. He did talk about more than just Axl's voice the whole time.  And don't you think they would be playing Madagascar live, the way it will probably be on the album?? What would be the point in playing it any different than that?? So do you really think it sounded like the one from RIO 2001??

Well if you read the first post, you'll see he said the quotes are in there.  : ok:

or a speaker yes

Well why would that sound be there?

yeah ive heard but cant really make a judgement on it.  I guess hes not lying  would be my opinion at this point.

I have no idea, really could be anything, phone audio sucks, doesnt have to be a speaker or comp or anything, it could just be the phone.

sorry, but by the time I read the other 24 pages, I forgot everything he mentioned in the first post.
but the madagascar thing was just an examle.
I dont think the riff they play live is 100% what it's is in the studio.
also the solos change all the time.
arent there any other chris pittman effects in other songs?
also what does the madagascar intro sound like?! we all(well not all, but some) expected to hear orchestra there...
etc etc

I think hes full of bs.
also why does he talk while recording?!
he should have known it will be a crappy recording, and him ranting aint helping.

The clip isn't that long is it?? I thought the same thing was just played two times in a row. Or did I miss something when I was sleeping??

EDIT:  I deleted my clip last night because I just didn't think it was worth keeping.

yeah the maddy intro would definetly be my focal point.

Thing is...it is way too shady of a recording.....it's like a ghost or UFO caught on camera.....I mean, why didn't he record more and then show us......and if that is all he was able to record, why not record AXL'S VOCALS ONLY..?...like at the END of the song...if I hear that part, I can tell you right away if it is fake or real...... :confused:

i've listened to the audio clip.  I agree that the vocals sound very smooth, and I beleive the guy is telling the truth, but honestly the clarity is so poor that I can't say for certain whether or not this is an altered live version, or an axl impersonator, or what...

where is the geffen headquarters?  If they were blasting it THAT loud, lots of other people must've heard it.  i wish they would come on here and confirm the story  ;D  or at least mysteron or someone from geffen (I mean, even the secretaries, security guards, and janitors must've heard it, right?)

why dont you people try doing something like this?!
there's no way you could reproduce the HIGH quality recording on a cellphone,
of audio, happening in a building, no matter how good/high quality the sound system is, and no matter how loud its played.
I didnt manage to get that good audio recording while on a GNR show, let alone while standing in a street.

only way to get that good audio recording using only a cellphone is to be in the same room as the music source.

ok that was weird, the first half cant even hear any music lol then he repeats himself saying The blues, exactly same tone of voice. then i hear axl very smooth but i admit i havent heard every single boot of blues. and then right at the end he says the blues again same tone of voice. why vic?

Well shit....found this at MYGNR...HOPE IT'S OK..

I didn't read through all 36 pages, so not sure if this has been posted before. I did some Googling and found that the building on the corner of Colorado Ave. and Coverfield Boulevard is currently 100% leased to Universal Music Group. This information was taken from the following link:

http://www.bigbluebus.com/placestogo/place...ogocategoryid=3

Arboretum
2220 Colorado Ave.
Santa Monica, 90404
(310) 449-1244
The magnificent Arboretum is a privately leased office complex at the corner of Colorado Ave. and Cloverfield Boulevard and is a prime example of the resurgence and prominence of Santa Monica as a thriving business community. It is managed by the Arboretum Management Co. and is currently 100% leased to Universal Music Group. There are no public facilities.

lucky guy .
Hope albom realy come out this year   :D

GREAT!
This puts an end to this lame episode.
the author of the rumor should be punished.

So does anyone agree with me here or what?? I am re-posting my initial post from above....I want to hear your response people....here ite is..

Thing is...it is way too shady of a recording.....it's like a ghost or UFO caught on camera.....I mean, why didn't he record more and then show us......and if that is all he was able to record, why not record AXL'S VOCALS ONLY..?...like at the END of the song...if I hear that part, I can tell you right away if it is fake or real...... ?:confused:

Geffen is owned by Universal, dummy.  ::)  :hihi:

I want to review the evidence.

Again, because my battery indicator was flashing red and was about to die. ?I needed to get what I could asap. ?I tried to get more but the phone died. ?Since I ride a motorcycle most of the time, I can't charge my phone until I'm home for the night and at this point it was already 5pm. ? ?I only did what I could. It's not like I was prepared for something like this.

How many of you are not reading my original post?

Just read the first post where I give my story in detail and then ask your questions.


V~

I am not saying it is fake....I am saying that I can't tell...

2220 Colorado Ave.
Santa Monica, 90404
(310) 449-1244

Why doesn't someone just call or go to this place and ask them if it was being played yesterday (anyone working there and answering phones would've heard it).

if we get a few people to call, we can independently verify it.

Then don't.  ::)

I was making a hint at something.

I didn't :P

universal has nothing to do with GNR.
they are not involved with GNR decision making.
even bumblefoot had to listen to the songs with earphones, while sitting in a wault, and some "out of the loop" universal guy will be blasting them through an open window...

Number is disconnected.

Hmmm...well, I did get it from MYGNR....anyway, if MRVICS could video tape the recording on his phone again and NOT talk....it would be much easier to determine.......if that's cool with you MRVICS.... :peace:

If that's what you think, then you need to sharpen up your GN'R knowledge.

Universal owns Geffen. Axl said in the bootleg from the other night, "I don't like throwing my money away. I know Universal is hoping they didn't." So even if you don't believe me, you can believe Axl.

Or just go to Geffen.com and notice the Universal logo.  : ok:

Intro? ?If you read my original post, you'd know that I started listening from the last third of that song so I can only confirm that the outro seemed the same from what we've all heard. ?At this point, though, I was walked across the street a few times in an effort to find the best spot to listen from so I missed some of Better and some of CD, since I ran back to the DMV looking for a pen to take notes since my cell phone had died.

(I have a feeling I'm going to be repeating myself a hell of a lot... ::)


V

Absolutely not what I heard yesterday.  You're right, he does sing the end a little different and higher but there are NO back up vocals there, for one, so absolutely not.

Alright, Mr Lucky, you are going to be the first one I call out when I'm proven right, either by the actual album or otherwise.  And do us a favor, mark my words in my first post. 

I didn't hear any orchestra at all in any of the songs.   The intro to Maddy was hard to make out becaues it just sounded too low...so with that said, all I can say is that the intro to that song was quiet, nothing heavy, so was the intro to The Blues (piano probably).  I think pitman had some added effects at the end of Maddy but it was hard to tell guitar or keyboards...there was traffic flying right in front of me, between myself and the balcony from which the music was playing. 

Also, dont forget that I said that the end to Madagascar and The Blues were pretty much identical, just for that final closing sound effect.   

I mentioned the end of two of the songs that made it clear to me that they were studio.  READ MY ORIGINAL POST. 

Here we go again.   What you saw was a 60 video of a 25 second video automatically repeating itself.  Me talking was recorded while I was outside Geffen.  Get it?

Yeah, dummy.

There's a huge Univeral globe to the left from where I was standing.  And above the door right in front of me.....ah fuck it, just read my original post.

DUDE, ARE YOU INSANE???.....you already responded to this post of mine on the last page....and I acknowledged it respectfully. I believe that you think that what you heard was a studio version....it is just hard for people to make much out of it....I never called you a liar or said that you were full of shit.......

MrVic i pressume you still have the video on your mobile will you be uploading the actual video from the mobile at any point sorry if you hvae answered this already if you dont have the know how do you know a friend that does that you could bluetooth it too. Im inclined to believe this post and i think you are one Lucky motherfucker just a shame they didnt play a new one :hihi:

Here are some more from the universal website:
copyright license dept: 310- 865-0770
tv licensing dept: 310-235-4721

try those MR. I

you really dont have to bother...
you cant be proven wrong.
you said all the things anyone with an IQ over 15 would know.

Madagascar has vocals. better has vocals also.
Axl is singing.
madagascar has quotes, in "the blues" axl is singing really high notes... no shit!
last third of better has a solo. solo is the same as we've already heard. obviously! That's what theyve been playing on the tour.
and even if the solo is slightly diferent you can always say,... well I was listening from the outside..

you are in a win win situation. it's not like you came with something revolutionary... like an extra lyrics line, or a new song,...
but you came with the ordinary stuff, made a few educated guesses, and even if you turn out to be full of crap (and by some miracle, Axl isnt the one singing the backups in madagascar), you will always be able to say...
well I was outside, runing around a palm tree, and a dog just happened to bark.

so I dont see the point in you proving anything to me.
I can make a bunch of assumptions, and I bet I'd guess a whole bunch of things that will actually happen on the album, and yet I havent heard it.

no1, guitar solo in madagascar during mlk speech will be higher in the mix
no2, Axl is using his soft voice for madagascar (I've never heard it like that in any live recording)
no3, during better Axl uses his raspy voice more than ever so far
etc, etc
and I'm not even trying.

and even if you are telling the truth, its a lot more possible that it was just a live recording or whatever, like rar, rir3, or the inland show, and you just dont know enough to difernentiate a live/studio recording.

Alright, chill out man, I'm just trying to catch up here.