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im from nyc...so i think i know the answer...but i dont want to influence any of your thoughts....so im wondering:

With Guns being an LA band, you would think GnR would own CA. Maybe they do, I dont know. But what I do know is this:

I was at the MSG 2002 show, and May 2006 shows (the first and second shows)...Axl Rose owns New York City. Guns n' Roses are absolutely HUGE -? G I G A N T I C? ?in NYC.......That winter night in 2002, this city was electric. I'm not exaggerating or glorifying anything............almost everyone knew Guns were in the city that night. The snow just made it all magical. But the Garden was electric that night......And, 2006 was just a MAJOR love-fest....it was HOMECOMING.

We love Axl. Why? This is NYC, its hard to impress this city. Its always - "What have u done for me lately?" - look at ARod this summer. Check Patrick Ewing back in the 90s. This city loves AND hates. But not Axl, he gets a total, all-access pass in NYC, he knows it, the band knows it, we know it, the press knows it, radio and television know AND print it. The band plays and performs better as well....Robin stage-diving in May, that opening night, was amazing...Im not sure anyone hit any sour notes...seriously, it was perfect.

So why here? Why not LA? Axl wasn't born here, the band is not from here. Why New York City?? Why is Axl SOOOO connected to this place, and why are we so connected to him?? Axl and this band owns this city, maybe NOW more then ever.

well   richard actually lives there.......

this probably doesn`t add much to the discussion.... i just wanted to mention it because you said the band isn`t from NYC....

NY has always been attached to GNR and vise versa.....Axl loves NYC for many reason.....night life and also him being able to walk around and not get bothered that much.....people will just say what's up.......And the sincerity behind Axl's message is embraced by the city itself....and he is a badass...NY likes and respects a REAL badass....

Not anymore according to Axl.

"... and from New York City, now a Californian... And a proud father... Mr. Richard Fortus on guitar."

Axl introducing Richard @ KROQ Inland Invasion



/jarmo

I have the exact same memory of london the day after the concert...

Everywhere people were still wearing their bracelet of the show or a T-Shirt ;D And I saw a dude on the sub with GNR tattooed on his wrist!!

My guess is because WTTJ I always think more of NYC than LA. I know that LA has runaways & all, but I just think of NYC as a tougher place to live. LA is more like PC, a place we'd all like to get away to with the hollywood stars and sunny weather, but not all of us can. 

Not to mention it was practically blizzarding that night in 2002.  Took me forever to get into the city for that show but there was NO WAY in hell I was missing it and the crowd was WILD.

The only shows I have seen outside the NY area have been the two Vegas shows that just happened and the crowd was not wild at all.  I have no idea how people act outside NYC besides that but what I can say is that the energy at a NY show is just amazing.

The Hammerstein crowds were insane!  I have never felt more tension and excitement inside a building. 

You aren't glorifying at all.  It was real.  I was there and I felt it too!

I thought Richard Lewis owned NYC. ???

Nov 10th would kick ass!

New Yorkers have great taste.... :love:

People who like GNR have good taste... ;)

Which basically means Osama bin Laden has no taste at all, right?

I hope those rumors that he died last month are true.  :love:

And I hope he rots in hell for a very long time.  : ok:

Anyway, the title of this thread is pretty funny I think.  :hihi:

November Rain?  My Spanish spitfire, is that you?  :love:

New Yorkers don't give a fuck about trend, they stick to what they like, unlike us Los Angeles fuckers who get absorbed in trends.

It's good to hear the truth by someone other then myself.... : ok:

Yes,it?s me. How ya doing Garry? :-*

because Music is timeless despite the antics of the past decade whereas sports is what have you done for me lately like you said

Thats fucking funny. Because WTTJ couldnt be more about Los Angeles. The streets of Los Angeles are second to none man. You get dropped off in some parts there and you will get lost there...and you will never get out alive. Shit is crazy man. Corner to corner and you see the same things. Same looking streets, and same looking building with the same Trees and shit. Fucking pushers, and hookers,and gangstas. Crack fools and babies walking down the middle of the streets. Liquer stores everywhere. CRIPS and BLOODS, PIRU and VARRIO. Fuck man, South Central and Compton. No, it is a fucking Jungle dude.

Los Angeles has always been refered to as the Jungle since long before Axl wrote about it. Shit rmember the tagline to Predetor 2? You got a lot to learn about LA. And there are parts you need to stay far the fuck away from. Some of us had learned the hard way. Shit dude, Steven Adler didnt suck dick for coke in NYC did he?

WestSIDE!

p.s. and its easy to say NY doesn't get caught up in trends when most trends begin in the West. My family is from Brooklyn by the way.

Ummm....why don't you try walking down Jamaica Ave in Queens, NY, for starters, and then get back to me.....There are a lot of bad area's in the country....Axl was referring to LA in "jungle".....but there are tons of area's that are similar.....do you know where he got the famous line"do you know where you are...."?....ck the Ritz show in NYC in 88....

What? So you are saying he found doc and his timemachine? He played at the Ritz in 88 and went back in time to when he wrote WTTJ and inserted that line into the songs lyrics?

That line came from a black dude who said this very line directly to Axl upon his arrival in Los Angeles.

That's not what he said at the show......he said he "hitchhiked here".....I'm not saying you are wrong cause I have heard him say the arrival in LA thing as well..I wasn't talking about the song...just that line....I really don't give a hot fuck either way.....but he did say that at the Ritz brother...... :peace:

Axl: I slept one night in a schoolyard in Queens with a big fence around it. This black guy came up to me and said, 'You know where you are? You are in the jungle! You gonna die! 'So we put it in [the] song.

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Queens is in LA?

Oh...well then I stand corrected.

well well Our rappers kick the shit out of your rappers!

Thank you.....enough said...

hahaha.......well, we're even dude....

Both cities are dangerous, so what?  Both cities also have nice parts.

Jungle is about LA, but the main title/line was given to him by a homeless dude.  He should get some royalties.  ;D

Yeah, and D.C might be worse then both cities....but like I said, there are rough area's all over the country.....and yes, NY has a ton of very cool and attractive places as well....

I love going back to NY and seeing family. NY is a great place, awesome sights to see, and my mobness loves Little Italy. Awesome Chinese food there too.

...but we have far better bud.

Yeah, you and Colorado.....even though I haven't done that shit in over a year.....

ny is alot of fun.and i loved taken the train from philly there.it was such an adventure.the concert just rocked makin it all the much better !

Oh no, an East Coat/West Coast war emerging now! 

Hahaha, I have never been to LA but I do hail from Queens originally and certain areas can be quite the "Jungle" so I can totally see that happening to Axl there.

I am sure the homeless dude is quite dead by now, suffering the elements, alcoholism, or drug abuse so I doubt he wants to collect royalties for his GNR input. ;D

one reason used ot be in the 80s because NYC had great drugs......and the boys indulged in that A LOT...GNR roots go deep to NYC..that big october 1987 weeks worth of shows they did i NYC were classic....

Nothing compares? to new york .? ? Everything about it? is real .? ?Unlike the posers in L.A.


I've been to L.A many times? it doesn't hold a candle to this city .


? ?GO YANKEES? ?BRONX BOMBERS !!!!!



btw    rap   was born in NYC .    That is something I am ashamed  as a new yorker .  I hate fuckin rap

NYC crowds do rule.. it was pretty crazy in May but i must say, more than any other Vegas crowd, the HOB new years show was just NUTS. i got pushed around so much and the electricity in the air was undeniable.  8 years wait will do that to someone!!!!

Great points!
HOwever, GNR is not really an LA band. Except for Steven Adler, none of the members were originally from California. Yes, they came up in California, but their spirit came from other places, including NYC & its punk scene. I think that over time, the music & the spirit caught on more with the people of NYC since it was already here. I also believe & I read that Axl is looking to live in NYC, because he has fallen in love with our "Work Hard - Play Harder" lifestyle. The California lifestyle, I believe, was unhealthy for a guy like Axl Rose & it may have also been unhealthy for other celebrities, particularly couples. Its more possible to be social & live among humans in apartment buildings than on mountains with million dollar security systems. "WTTJ" don;t forget, was written about something that was said to Axl on a freeway in NYC while trekking cross country in the early 1980s.

If you look back on shows like Ritz 1991, Axl says that "New Yorkers don;t take GNR for granted & it makes them feel special, & that they like being a part of the NYC thing." NYC has MTV, media outlets, fashion & other means by which Axl & his new band will be promoting themselves, so they will be here on business (& pleasure) one way or another.

These days, NYC is booming & has proven resilient through 9/11, much like Axl Rose who has proven resilient besides the odds against him. Even I had my doubts on both coming back, but NYC & AXL are back & there's no better match.
I also believe that NYC had a lot to do with the re-imaging of Axl after his failed "Baggy Jersey" phase.

If LA defined "AFD" & Indiana defined "UYI", NYC will define "CD"
MNW

I drove an hour through the 2002 Blizzard to make the show as well - Incredible show

Hammerstein (15th) was great as well

NYC type of guy - unpredictable , cocky, bad-ass, fucking nuts - what else is there to say?

"If LA defined "AFD" & Indiana defined "UYI", NYC will define "CD""

Explain this. This makes no sense. Well, the first part does at least. How did Indiana define the Illusions? And from what we hear from Chinese D, is that the music sounds like it has taken inspiration from a lot of different things. Man no way CD is that simple. Listen to how complex a song like TWAT and Madagascar is. Hearing the demos and shit, how does NY define them?

I love my family from NY. So I can tell you this. People from NY always thinks life begins and ends there. That trends start there, and that NYC will define something as layered and textured as Chinese Democracy. NY is awesome but dude, come on.

I'm pretty sure Richard still lives in NYC. Maybe he very recently moved though. I know where he lived in NYC (Lower East Side), I am friends with his neighbor and he said CD will defenitely be out this year back in April when they spoke. Not earth shattering info right there since he could have been wrong too, but cool anyway.

He must have moved after the euro tour. Axl once said richard was moving on the tour and now he says he's a Californian.

On topic, it has something to do with the location?
topographic speaking,  NY has much easer access to Europe than LA.

So true, I can get to London in about the same time it would take me to get to LA and frankly, I would rather go to London :peace:

yeah bandita. and I guess NY culture shows more european influence than LAs does.
I hear GNR had its first big break in the uk.  ;D

Without trying to speak for the poster, I would guess they meant all the old songs and stuff like Dust N' Bones that really dug into Izzy & Axls past.

No offense to the west-coasters, but the more passionate fans are on the eastern seaboard.  And Madison Square Garden is "the most famous arena" in the U.S.  Again, no disrespect.  I'm from the east coast but I have family out in SoCal and it's beautiful out there, but I've been to plenty of events out there and the crowds just don't compare.

Especially in sports....they are sittin' on their hands out there for the most part...

He can sell out the venues there b/c it's very populated AND accessible.  There's millions of people in NYC alone.  People come from the 5 boroughs, Westchester, Long Island, NJ, Connecticut & PA, not to mention those who travel even greater distances.