Here Today... Gone To Hell!

O.k. so while reading another thread I just thought to myself, "What's Axl's deal with cameras at the show anyways?"  Actually to be fair most concerts don't allow you to bring cameras into the show per say, but once you're in and start taking pictures of the show nobody ever seems to care really except Axl. For example(and chill out people it's just an example) when I saw U2 in Vancouver I was less than 3 feet away from Bono and I snapped many pictures with a real camera. Neither Bono nor security batted an eye. In fact Bono seemd to be posing for the pictures and playing along with it. the U2 tickets stubs clearly say no cameras or recording devices yet nobody seems to care. I noticed this also at The Killers concert and at David Usher every time I've been to see him, so I'm just wondering why Axl is so picky about it. I know why bands used to try and stop people from taking pictures at shows back in the day but these days with the way technology is it's impossible to stop it so why does Axl sometimes make a big deal out of it when someone up front breaks out a camera?

Please note I'm not ragging on Axl here, I'm just curious. :peace:

It doesn't seem like Axl does that anymore does he?

Theres tons of close up 2006 pics from concerts... has there been any recent examples?

Axl didn't seem to care really when i was snapping shots, even walked by and shook my hand :)
my pics from the Sept. 20th show:

http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b306/KelsisZero/Guns%20N%20Roses/

password is gnr2k6

I don't think it bothers him so much now because he knows it's impossible for it NOT to happen with the advent of modern technology. He'd have to strip-search every single person at admission. Axl knows every person there has a picture phone and it's ridiculous to get pissed about it.

If you watch the Manchester bootleg of IRS he looks right off-stage at the cameraman at one point and stares for a second before turning back to the crowd, he knows people are recording.

That's true. I guess there ahsn't been ne of these incidents for quite some time now. Axl probably realieses  as much as anyone there's no way he can stop people from taking pictures at shows anymore.  But even back in teh day he seemed to be the only one who had a REAL problem with it. Why do you think that is? Maybe he was just the most vocal about it ;D

As long as its not a professional camera with a detachable lens, they let you in with it. They don't want you using flash at all. Axl really didnt seem to mind, I had my digital camera out taking pictures all night long on wed night with flash and everyone else did as well.

I think it's because Axl got a very big ego back then and due to low self-confidence (rooted in the trauma he went through as a child) felt the need to re-inforce his superiority. So controlling aspects of the shows was his way of making sure everyone knew who was boss in a way. I think he really did it because he kind of felt like he needed that power or something. That sounds stupid but I think a psychiatrist would tell you a lot of Axl's behavior over the years has been due to his childhood in some way.

Yeah this topic is kinda Dead Horse material now that I think about it. I can't really point to anything recently that would makes us believe he has a problem with it. I wonder if he did in 2002?

Interesting.  :)

He should love the cameras, the fans lately have been getting some awesome shots and passing them around is great promo for the band.  From what I have witnessed at the shows I went to he snapped at a few people for acting out but not about the cameras.  It was more the security that dealt with cameras.

Let's not Dead Horse it yet.  The stupid assholes at KROQ say no cameras, but I just don't see how you enforce that rule with 55,000+ people.  If security wants my camera, what do I do?  How 'bout if I hand over my batteries, will that be enough? 

Any tips on stashing the camera somewhere?

Not really. I never bring a  camera to any show except U2 just in case. At U2 I just put it in my pocket and when they search you real quick(if they search you at a U2 show) I just tell them it's a camera. Nobody cares. I don't know how you'd stash a  camera really ???

All they made you do at Vegas was lift up part of your shirt, so I'm sure they didn't care either...

I got patted down fully both nights by a female at the Vegas shows.

At Hammerstein they barely looked in my bag and touched me only briefly, I could have gotten one in easily.

When I did sneak a camera into a show, I put it around the bottom of my leg and pulled my boot over it.

In Vancouver 2002 they were searching people like crazy. Going through every little item of girls purses and shit. this was ?even before they opend the doors(which the never did :no:)

At the hammerstein show on the 15th nobody checked me at all. I was with a group of 7 and not one of us got checekd or even asked to see a ticket stub. We walked right in. The only time anyone asked to see our ticket was when we treid to walk into the lower level. they told us to go upstairs. Itw as weird.

Really? That's weird...all they made me do was lift up part of my shirt, most likely to see if I had a weapon or something

You are a pathetic little fool. It's an honest thread that came to mind while reading other's posts in the threads reviewing the ?shows. You're not gonna beat anyone you goof. you're sitting behind a monitor acting tough. You sound like an idiot. like I said Beat it Small Fry. I'm done with you. :-*

Well I can say that 2 chicks got kicked out of the 2nd night at the Hammerstien for taking pics.  They were sitting in front of me.

LOL

typical bono thread

Why doesn't axl (do something).  I just dont understand.

U2 does it!  I love U2.

Not trying to bash the band  :peace:

You're the biggest fucking idiot on the entire net Jim Bob. I refrence U2 because I've been to alot of shows, I see alot of what they do and I use them as my examples. You're so far up your own ass it's not even funny. How about reading the full thread and see what else I posted. There was nothing wrong with this thread. You are the biggest hypocrit  I have ever seen. What was that bullshit you posted at ROV about your threads being trolled upon and how yo don't care for me so you choose to ignore me and my threads.  yeah you're a real victim there buddy. You're an embarassment that's what you are. 

Jim Bob is a redneck pornographer who makes all "new" GN'R fans look bad. You know when George Carlin did that skit about dumb Americans? Yeah, he wrote that after seeing Jim Bob shopping for new shorts at a Wal-Mart.

Bono is a great poster and a GN'R fan and Jim Bob is just upset that Bono's life goal isn't to masterbate Robin Finck.

Angry little chimp - nice one! What next - you're the cum your mom should have swallowed? Oh, wait, you already used that one. Damn! We're running out of "Lame Middle School Insults That Were Original Back in '76 When They Were Actually Original" here!

You come out of nowhere attacking another GN'R fan for making a thread about Axl not liking photos being taken at shows? If you don't like the thread then don't read it. Bono didn't do anything wrong and he has ample reason to make a thread like this after Axl Rose began a massive riot in 1991 after attacking someone at a show for taking his picture.

It happened a while ago? Yeah. So did "Appetite for Destruction."

Learn to differentiate between bashing and discussion. Just because someone brings up a touchy subject doesn't mean they hate Axl.

And BTW - I'm pretty sure personal insults aren't allowed here. Calling someone the names you called Bono, or saying his mom should have swallowed him as cum, is disgusting. Fuck off.

 ;D

I dont even give him the acknowledgement of a response.   All his threads and posts are the same.   LAME. 

he actually says he hopes CD isn't successful.  :no:  Maybe he outta find himself a U2 board where he can talk about how great Boner is and how U2 does everything perfectly and how Axl is just a terrible terrible person.   of course he's going to respond to me with a bunch of childish names and insults, but I"m better than him and I"m just going to ignore it.  :smoking: 

now thats a hypocrite.  what was it you said about me again just a couple posts back?  :yes:   you dont even know me to make such silly remarks.

No but you take the time to read my thread and post in it. You love me and you know it. I'm not gonna lie about the fact that I said I hope CD isn't successful but I'm not gonna bother going into details and I'm not gonna bother pointing out how grossly you took it out of context ?and then posted it in ?a weak attempt to slag me. You're sad Jim Bob. REALLY REALLY SAD! Oh and sweetheart you couldn't ignore me if you tried. :-*

So when you said you weren't going to resort to "childish name-calling" and then lovingly referred to Bono as "Boner" that wasn't being hypocritical?

well I was talking about Bono the U2 singer when i said Boner, not the poster who names himself after said singer.

You, sir, are a homophobe. Did you vote for Bush?

Even if I were gay, so what? "Little fruit cake"? There are tons of gays that could kick your ass.

And I'm pretty sure that's another board violation for you, since attacking a person's sexual orientation is not exactly considered appropriate behavior.

I'm not gay but trying to attack someone for being gay is weak and pathetic.

So what? That's still name-calling, and it's still childish. You mean to tell me it's not OK to call other people on the Internet names, but it's perfectly fine to openly mock celebrities?

That's hypocritical to me.

Would you like it if someone called Robin Finck Robin Stinks?

I think there is a difference between insulting the band this forum is for's lead guitarist and insulting a singer in another band who has nothing to do with GNR.    I know it is against the rules to attack other members with personal insults, but I dont believe its against the rules to say something about a singer from another band who you dont like.   If i'm wrong, I apologize to the mods.   

That's not the point, dude. You slammed Bono and said all he does is reply with childish name-calling. Then you called Bono "Boner." The point is - REGARDLESS of the forum's rules and regulations - it's still childish to call anyone - celebrities, forum users, whoever - names like that.

It's not a matter of "what's allowed." It's a matter of simple maturity and being a hypocrite.


Those were your words, no?

I mean, by your logic, you might as well say it's okay to say gays are all stupid and blacks should be slaves, because it falls under freedom of speech and is "allowed." As long as it's allowed it doesn't matter?

There's a point where simple decency and maturity and taste matters more than what is allowed or disallowed. Calling the lead singer of a group a "Boner" when his name is Bono is childish IMO.

again, that looks confusing.  I was insulting the lead singer of U2 when  I said that (I can't stand U2 - never could, they make me want to vomit).    When someone calls themself a GNR fan and in the same breath says he hopes CD isn't successful they dont deserve respect on a GNR board anyways.   So what are we here for?  To hope this fails?  fuck that.   his topics are all the same dude.. they all follow that same format i posted a few posts ago. 

Robin Stinck! Haha

the sound (and smell) that will carry GNR into the future!

Best part of the thread so far. ?:beer:

You're trying to change the subject. I know you were referring the singer and not the user Bono. It doesn't matter. You slammed the forum user Bono for being immature and calling people names, then you referred to the singer as "Boner." Doesn't matter if the forum rules permit this name-calling or not. It's still name-calling, it's still childish, and it makes you a hypocrite.

I don't care for U2 very much either but they do a lot more for their fans right now than GN'R and Bono is also very much concerned with the world and the environment - you can say the band is boring if you think it is but there's no denying the guy does his fair share to make him anything but a "Boner." Oh yeah, it really sucks to donate money to dying children in Africa or participate in multi-million-dollar charities. Shame on Bono!

And I highly doubt forum user Bono's quote about CD failing wasn't taken entirely out of context.

His topics are all the same? Well a lot of people think all your posts are the same. I think Bono is one of the better users here and just because you think otherwise doesn't give you the right to try and help sidetrack his thread or call him names.

The post wasn't negative IMO and if anyone can't see that then they must have their head waaaay too far up a certain somebody's ass to be able to see properly. Just because someone posts something about a more unflattering aspect of this band or its lead singer doesn't mean they are a troll and/or hate the band - it's called discussion, and if open discussion isn't allowed and people are only allowed to post masturbatory topics praising how great Axl and Guns N' Roses is, then this would be a very boring place.

well to be fair this was already way off topic before I joined in.   This outta just go to dead horse and i've said all i want to say on this matter.  : ok:

I disagree.

Wes was the only person who wasn't discussing the topic when you joined in, and he had only posted two or three times. It wasn't very far off-track but your post certainly gave wes enough of a boost of confidence to restart his attack.

I actually like you dude, but I think sometimes you get your head stuck too far up the band's collective ass. You can love GN'R and still acknowledge their faults. I love Axl to death but I'll admit the man has been a major asshole in the past and I don't think pointing this out makes you any less of a GN'R fan. Bringing up a sore subject like this doesn't make Bono a "hater" - it just means he's not a blind Axlite.

i'm not blind, if i see faults i point them out.  read my review of the 16th and 17th shows.  I pointed out the imperfections in the sound mix on the 16th.   I will also admit when Axl is fucking up.   I would just think a fan is someone who wants to see this succeed, not coming to the boards banking on it to fail.

I myself can think of a good reason to see Chinese Democracy fail and I'm a fan.

If it fails more people will like it later on. It'll turn into a cult album and people won't be able to label it as "mainstream" or whatever. Axl will be the underdog again, the musical antihero whose album didn't do so hot on the charts. The elitists will praise it ten years down the road. There are a lot of "great albums" that totally flopped when they came out and got awful reviews because they were too ahead of their time.

I'm not rooting for CD to fail - but if it does I will remain optimistic about its failure because I think it could lead to better things in the future.

Think about it - VR's album was a mega, mega success and does that mean it was all that great? Not really. A lot of my friends hated it because it got over-played and it was so "mainstream." Sometimes people enjoy rooting for the ones that slip under the radar.

You people are lame.  You ruined a perfectly fine thread that was relevant, and I was using to make decisions and plan for tomorrow, considering KROQ posted in big bold letters that cameras aren't allowed.  I hope all you immature people get banned and go back to the board you were originally from.  Gosh, it's funny how it's always the same people who start shit and try and bring down the board several notches.  Your childish attempts will fail miserably.

What he said. *Mean look at all the people who disagree*