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after the sunday night show, i was heading back to my room upstairs.? three guys were in the elevator with me.? i asked them if they went to the show and they said, "yeah, he caught axl's mike," pointing out one of the guys, but that a security guard tapped him on the shoulder and took the mike back as they were leaving the theater.? i said, "did you ask him why?"? and they replied that there was no reasoning with him.? i was like....i wonder why?? that just doesn't make sense to throw it out into the audience and then have someone go out and take it back.? and they said, "i guess he doesn't want to buy a new mike."? ?i said, "so axl looks like he's giving his mike to some lucky fan every night and no one knows the truth but the person who caught the mike.? ? i bet people are busting each others heads to get that mike- worse than bridesmaids gunning for the bouquet thrown at a wedding, and then to have a security guard take it back, it's terrible."? they were like, "yeah, he dove onto the ground to get that mike." sounds fucked up and like a total bummer.? has anyone else heard of such things? do you think axl has them do it? or did the security guard just take it upon himself to do that?



Edit: Changed subject... /jarmo

I heard this same story as well from axlrosegnr who also went for the mic after this show and that the security guard was a real jerk. 

We need to find someone who actually caught one at another show to see if this is common practice.  I am hoping just that security guard was an ahole or something!!!

Its got to just be a security guard wanting it for himself. I remember somones review of the show they said they went for the mic but some security just grabbed it. I'm sure he just wanted it for himself... (you never know though) I highly doubt that Axl/GNR would do that though. Do you know how much a mic costs/compared to how much they make per show. They could care less. :peace:

I'm not sure Axl throws his mic in the crowd for a lucky fan or to be Axl Rose? ?:hihi:

Also, I think that mic is $10,000, so I doubt it's managements intent to give a lucky fan a mic like that.

Others have kept the mic on many different occasions. I think this is just a dickhead security guard, on a power trip.

Or he plans to hawk it on Ebay or something

10G's ??? I'm not doubting you but where'd you find that number? :o

Dickhead security

or

Security following orders from the venue (Mic stays here.)

LOL, it seems a tad high. Better give me a reach around for that price.

maybe they intend to take the mike back every night but can't find it every time

If they cared that much, then they'd simply tell Axl not to throw it. Its not like people are gonna give them negative reviews because Axl didnt throw his microphone ;D So, I am pretty sure he just throws it for a lucky fan, and that security guard decided to be an asshole.

i think it's something they should sort out with security if that is the case.  it's a total mindfuck.   

ha, i'd just run from security with it, not giving up a momento like that : ok:

security at a casino is pretty heavy.

Total bullshit.? He always throws his mic away.? Just like on the show in Belgium and that was a festival.? The thing felt like a few footsteps from me, but when you're not at that exact spot you can forget about grabbing it.? Anyway, there was no security "asking" to return it, so some lucky bastard has that mic now.? Maybe you American bastards are so crazy to be OK with been beating up for a mic, so the security take it back before riots start happening.? ?;)? (Americans, please note the ->? ;) )

I thin the security guard simply screwed the guy. In Edmonton 1993 Axl threw his mic out into the crowd and a guy in my row about 8 seats over caught it. I saw the guy later outside the venue with the microphone.

Oh and there's no fucking way that Axl's microphones are worth $10 000.? ?Seriously just say it out loud to yourself and see if it makes sense "A ten thousand dollar microphone" there's no way.? I have a fucking kick ass microphone for djing and it was $389.00. I just can't see how Axl's microphone could be that much better than the one I'm useing. Obviously he has higher quality shit but a $9611.00 difference bewteen microphones? I can't see it. But I mean if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

Also in this day and age of being accepting and non discriminating I think maybe the title of this thread should be changed.  I know it wasn't ment in any hurtful way but even still it sets a bad precident and sends a bad message as well as presents all Gn'R fans in the wrong/bad light  when such a phrase seems to be so openly accpeted on a  public forum. just a thought.

Um.lol run for parliment, or congress!!!.....lol, and for all dont know that was a jokw!.lol

 :rofl: I got it the second I read it :beer:

$10,000 for 1 mic. $1000 max i'd say, not that i know much about mic's  :peace:

Same thing happened in Helsinki. Security took the mic from a person who caught it.. I think it sucks :no:

i guess if you catch the mic then hide it and get out of there : ok:

Yup. No point in sticking aroudn after Axl has thrown away his mic :hihi: Just put it in your pants and get the hell outta there.

this isnt just a gnr thing.. Ive seen security take the mic away at other concerts

Doesn't Axl use common Shure Beta 58 mic's?Those don't cost that much money....

I think the whole deal with the security guard taking it,was just him wanting it for himself...they might be worth alot of money on e-bay...Not 10 grand though ;)

next on heretodaygonetohell:  Bumblefoot dives into the crowd to get his guitar pick back!

haha i was just about to post almost the same thing..

He changes mics during PC, so the one he throws in the audience isn't the one he uses during the whole show..so my guess..the ones he throws are cheap ones.

I thought they were Fischer Price microphones :rofl: ?At least thats what they look like. he's the only one I've evers een who use those dumb looking mics with the over the top foam on them.He should use the mics that bono uses. he always sounds percect as far as clarity goes.

 :o Oh no you didn't just mention U2 in the Guns section! Yes I did ;D Seriously though maybe Axls mics are part of the sound problems he ?seems to have sometimes. theres' no reason his voice shouldn't be able to project over the music all the time.
And there's no way these things are worth 10 Grand :rofl:
(http://www.agiftinabox.com/images/36622.jpg)

Cheers Ignatius : ok:

It?s the first time I hear something like this. I could be wrong but back in the day I read in a magazine that the reason why Axl throwed the mic to the audience is because they let it open for them to say something once they get the mic. I don?t know if it?s true though.

I also read that Axl?s mic in the UYI tour cost about $500 not &10  000 :confused:

Anyways, I think the security guy just wanted the mic for himself and used his security status just to get it. It was a venue, but do you imagine if it was an arena?No way they could get the mic back.

Well in 1993 in edmonton we could hear the microphone hit the ground but when the guy picked it up and yelled into it nothing came out. I dont' think there's anyway they'd leave the mic on for the crowd. giving the Gn'R crowd an open mic woudl not be a good idea :hihi:

but they (the soundguys) could turn it off right?

Back during the UYI tour i got to see Gn'R perform at an outside gig. At the end of the show Axl launched the microphone though the air. While it was traveling (spinning) at high speed through the air, the sound was playing through the speakers, the sound then ended with the microphone hitting something (probably someones head) and that was that, no one used it to speak into. ?I cannot image for one minute the microphone was recovered by security afterwards. I've seen photo's from the gig and Axl appears to use the microphone though out the whole gig, although he made have used a different one for Novemberain, i cannot remember such details.

Same thing happened with Buckethead's nunchuks at Vegas '01. Security later collected them from the fan who caught them.

It sounds to me like security guards abusing their position. If Buckethead gives something to a member of the audience then it is for keeps  : ok:

That sucks... Most security are assholes, so I wouldn't put this past them at all. :rant:

 ..having said that, if Buckethead launched his nunchuks into the air (like he does) and they went into the audience, then i guess on the grounds of safety, securtiy would recover them from the audience. When Buckethead hands out toys to the audience, they are for keeps.

the most expensive recording mikes are around $3,000. A live microphone would not go over $1,000, you're right

Have you ever noticed Axl changes his mic for Paradise City?

The last song of the night, is a different mic,  the he throws away....

(just like Kurt Cobain always uses a Fender, but for the last song picks up a Squar to distroy....)

i think the security is supposed to get the mic back, but when they fail it's just bad luck. i've heard stories like this before

This is security! And if you ever get one. Refuse to give it up! I sure as hell wouldn't! Take me to jail, I don't care!! Unless Axl or Merck came up to me and asked for it back, I wouldn't part with it for anything!!
amy

That's incorrect.  I have a top-spec Shure Beta 87 radio mic and that costs over ?1000 (around $1800 US). 

Oh, and if anyone wants it - I've only used in once in 4 years and want to sell it - so make me an offer!!! 

in 2001/2002 las vegas show I remember that there were some dificulties with the microphones during the show on 29th. (something to do with trouble in the tansport).
so I guess he doesnt have that many microphones that he uses for actual singing(or he would have had a backup at the 2001 show), but the one he throws is just some cheap souvenire thing.

wow if i caught it I'd be shoving it up my shirt to hide it :hihi:

Axl uses a Shure U2/Beta87 Mic .. Those things go for about 850.00 at the most .. Now the recievers go for probably 2500 ...

Great microphones ...

I was starting the think I was the only person who would do that!

Why wouldn't you just shove it up your shirt or hide it where someone's not gonna find it!

Either way, I'm sure Axl wouldn't throw it in the crowd unless he wanted to. To be honest, I'd do what Neemo said, but if I didn't I would demand that security and I go to the people in charge at the show and have them tell me to give the mic back. Otherwise I would just assume it's some asshole big ass security guy thinking he can just intimidate fans and take the mic.

I was gonna say shove it down my pants but i don't really want something, covered in axl's spit, down my pants...i mean i like  the guy but a line needs to be drawn somewhere :rofl: but seriously stick it up your shirt and run into the crowd and out the door...i seriously doubt they are gonna chase ya through that

How the hell would security expect to catch a person with the microphone out of thousands of people? Sounds like the old needle in a haystack thing....




/jarmo

yeah i've thought about that too.. there must have been a bunch of security guards to find they guy that catches the mic.. some beeing on a location where they can see where it lands and then tell the guards on the floor about it with a walkie-talike or something and then they will find the lucky guy.. but that sounds like.. well i don't know what it sounds like.. but yeah

What about a festival...

That's a big crowd!





/jarmo

Yeah, they are such assholes because they have to put up with drunks fucks trying to jump onstage, sneak backstage, and when they save some one from being trampled they get no thanks for it.   ::)  I'd love to see you in their shoes for an entire show and see how you treat people there. 

I have many friends who are bouncers at BARS and they get frustrated with people.  Imagine a show with thousands of people. 

well that would be like finding a needle in a forest :hihi:

I agree looks like some Seg.Guard on an ego trip.

 ?I aswell have noticed that Axl always switches his mic for Paradise City. 3 out of the 4 times I saw GNR live Axl threw the mic and all 3 times I was in the perfect position to see were it went. Twice a fan got it and once it went right into the soundboard area in the middle of the stadium that was in Munich, I have to say it was a wicked throw.
 
 ?One thing though, each time it "seemed" to me that Axl was aiming to throw it in that soundboard area, maybe somehow at that point in the tour it was some sort of game or a inside bet or something if he got it in there great, if not.... whatever. Did anyone else have the same impression? ?

they should have done better at school.
fuck them. it's their job. work or get the fuck out of there. you are getting paid for it. be a professional. same goes for Axl.

or maybe some are using it as a way to get through school  ::)

and they are working at their job... their job calls for being 'rough' with little bitches who misbehave. 

I believe on every ticket you buy it has a disclaimer on the back saying how they are not responsible for anything thrown in the crowd, wouldnt that waive their ownership of the mic once its in the crowd? probably not but im just throwing that out there for anyone who might have more knowledge on this than me.

And by the way security guards at concerts are the scum of the earth.  If something ever happens thats major they never can keep control, they only jump on the little shit just to be power trippin faggots.

Unlike other ones, the venue in question is small. just for a thousand and half people I guess it's not too hard for many security guys to find the one with a mike.

Which is why this makes me think those security guys are instructed to get it back.  It's such an impossible task, that I find it hard to believe they'd think it's necessary to find it, unless they're told to.

I know a couple of guys who worked concert security before, and I know that they really only were concerned about the bare minimum - protecting the band, and throwing out anyone who gets out of hand.  I asked one of them if they would get the mic back, and they said "hell no, I'm not goin' into that crowd." 

I don't see why security would even bother chasing down whichever fan grabbed the mic...once it hits the ground after being fucking launched like that it would be practically useless anyhow.
 Handheld wireless mics are built to withstand a relatively decent drop, but I challenge you to find ANY mic (professional grade or not) that would still function correctly after being hurled way up in the air and most likely crashing to the ground.

has anyone ever been knocked out by the mic coming at them like had it full chat in the face

I would think the same thing. The only thing that makes me think that they may end up back w/ the band is the fact that you never see them eBay. You would think if it was just security guards getting them for themselves at least one of them would've turned up on eBay through the years.

any maybe they are just on a ego trip...

their job calls for being "rough" bla bla bla...
you are a dick!

They have no right to be rough on anyone untill that someone causes trouble,
and by trouble; indangering him self, other people, band, other security, venue property.
if they cant handle it, then they should fuck off.

What a shitty way to treat people. Guns N' Roses need to sort their fucking security out. I'm sick of hearing about the way fans are treated at their shows - everyone knows it's a problem.

Are these security, or hired thugs? People don't come to your shows to be pushed around by a bunch of assholes, Axl.

lol. Axl's the biggest thug of them all when it comes to threating people. Remember st. Luis(sucks)?
Or Vancouver, or Philadelphia?

just stick it down your pants

Do you think they won't go there?  :o

security doesnt work for the band they work for the venue. They probably just keep the thing. I would put it in my pocket if I ever caught it and refuse to give it up.

then why can Axl tell them to boot people "Are you listening to me mr security man? that guy...gone" ;)

i already posted before a reason not to put it in your pants...it's prolly drenched in axl's saliva...uhhh ewww :hihi:

Axl doesn't hire the venue's security.





/jarmo

no but they do what the band asks them to do

I can see why the security would want to get the microphone back, it has to be exspensive, but then again a mic that cost that much shouldnt be thrown around.

yeah! Axl only hires musicians :hihi:

haha new microphone or a night of drinking...hmm what a choice. both are about $1000 for Axl

btw does anybody think Axl has a microphone endoresment? i recall seeing advertisements back in the day. anyway does the mic company give axl free ones? if so then there is no reason for him wanting it back :peace:

The security at this show were a bunch of aholes.  They dragged countless people out over the front rail for nonsense.  I didn't see any fighting or anything worth dragging someone out besides the use of cameras which is what I assume they were thrown out for which is why I didn't bring mine in-I was right against the rail in front of their faces and I just would have lost it and got dragged over. 

Note to Hard Rock/GNR-Find out who that guy is and fire his ass.

If I see that mic end up on Ebay I am calling the Hard Rock because this is just a bunch of BS.  A bunch of people went for this mic, and one told me after the show that the security guard even struck him to keep him from getting it.  The crowd was pretty tame at this show and there was NO need for that~

There are a lot of "places" to hide it, and if a security guy asked me to give it up I wouldn?t give it to him AND if he tried to take it himself I could sue him for abusing some "places".

Anyways, guys, if any of you gets the mic get the hell out of there and don?t stop running untill you?re back home :hihi:. And please...do not sell it on ebay, atleast I wouldn?t sell it.

And you think the band wants the security to be rough towards their fans?

That's not the case. Go check out the clip of "You Could Be Mine" from Birmingham.




/jarmo

This guy took it upon himself to act this way from what I was told from people going for the mic after the show and he was actually striking fans.? He is an employee of the Hard Rock, not GNR.?

We all know Axl hates authority so I seriously doubt he would condone what happened here.

Topic title should be changed to state Hard Rock Security not GNR-

I'm sorry to say, but that's one in a million.
not all the problems with security goes on in front of the stage. but its impossible to get better security.
you have to be an idiot to work as a security guy, and that's who security companies hire.
you cant avoid it. you dont see rocket scientists working as security (except in russia).

and you cant expect Axl/Merck to read security guys resume?!

no i never said that...but if he wants his mic back then I'm sure he would just say "ok I'm gonna throw this fucker and i want you guys to go get it for me...understand...ok later" the actual way they go about it is jsut how they do things if the guard is a jackass then it's not axl's fault

but who knows really...it's just that there have been other reports of security guards wanting the mic back from the fan who caught it...the first post says nothing of the guards being threatening i doubt that many guards would be diehard fans abusing power to get a souveneir from the concert they worked at :peace:

for the record i wouldn't give it back if it was me :peace: they'd have to beat me up and then they'd get charged for assault after i go to the police station the next day

Gigantic idiots, literally in size and brains!

Didn't someone say the other day, that Axl had switched to a different mic for Paradise City??  He's probably not throwing out the mic he uses for the whole show, if indeed he does switch at the end.  A live microphone costing 10,000 dollars??  His microphone is definitely expensive and it may be in the thousands and thousands of dollars, but who really knows??  Studio mic's on the other hand, can cost 10 times that.

a $100,000 hmmm does it sing by itself :hihi: i seriously doubt it costs that much :peace:

http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?itemid=17478&SourceType=RecentItems

Shure/U24D Beta 58 Wireless Microphone

$4500 with 2 mics and a reciever

 :peace:

Well, just speculating but he DOES run off the stage during the end of PC while the confetti is running and it is possible that he changes mics during that time and just uses a cheap one at the very end because he really isn't singing any longer so there would be no need to have an expensive mic on the stage like that.

Don?t bother guessing, it sure must have been the security guy wanted the mic for him and abused his authority to get it. Most of the time they do what they please and maybe the band doesn?t even know the buch of brainless gorilas that work at the venues they play in.

This summer, when I got a vip to a backstage party the security guys didn?t want to let us in and they were letting in a buch of people right in front of our faces >:( and some of them didn?t even have a vip pass! So, here?s another example to show they behave the way they want.

Of course they do they are on a power trip even though in reality they are big idiots who probably failed an actual police test.

They let in who they want, thinking it's gonna get them laid or whatever.

At the Nijmegen show me and a lot of other people actually saw Axl change his microphone (for a cheap one even a different color mic.) on stage in the last few minutes of PC before he threw it in the audience, doesn't matter btw, why give away an expensive mic?

i like the original title of this thread better "axl rose- indian giver?"   :hihi:

Right, that's what I am saying. ?I just watched the ends of a few 2006 videos and you can see the sound guys milling onstage among the confetti blast so they are definitely changing the mic so he can toss it because it's the end of the show they would have no other reason to be up there. ?Unless you are right in the front you can't really see what's going on because you are getting pelted with confetti-

I believe he throws it for the fans as a memento.

..maybe there is a whole load of secret wizardry going on inside the offcial Axl microphone that cannot be see by those outside the GnR camp  :smoking:

..maybe it is simply down to hygiene issues and Axl really does not want to give away a microphone he as been breathing all over for 2 hours straight ?;D

..maybe Mysteron is the man to anwser the question. He should be on around about now? ;)

I'd think the venue manager is the man/woman to anwser the question.


come on, it's a bit off!
I myself have unpleasent experiences with them still I don't think every one of them are ass in person.
Their employers are responsible for their behavior.

I never suggested that Axl hires a venue's security. However, I've worked plenty of venues and when a singer is playing at the venue, the security are working for the band as well as the arena/stadium/club. It is a Guns N' Roses concert and the experience a fan has at a venue is every bit as representative of Guns N' Roses as it is of the venue. The Birmingham clip reenforces this - that when Axl Rose plays a show, the security are working for him. He, or his management should be made aware of the way that fans are being treated, and maybe a closer eye can be kept on this.  :peace:

OK, I started to tell this story on Monday.....anyways, I was going for the mic on Sunday too...I left the front to go back to the middle at the end of Paradise.....The mic went over my head, and I turned around, and I saw people diving for it. Then, I saw it on the ground, and I made my move.....I dove, My had was within 12 inches of it....then security started grabbing and kicking people....the FUCKING KICKED ME.....so yeah, I was so close, but yet so far away...

Oh, and as far as the Mic itself.....Axl changed to a different one right before Paradise, so maybe it's a cheaper one....

He changed the mic before the song...it wasn't the one with the Red cover, this one was all black that he threw

And I can attest to this story because he told it to me right after the show.

I hope someone from GNR management reads this and gets this jerk fired even though he works for the Hard Rock.  I am sure they have that kind of pull!

well the cover is just a cover...nothin to do with the mic itself... they are called windscreens..gets rid of some of the heavy breathing ya know from runnin around and shit

http://www.zzounds.com/item--MUP58WS

maybe he just keeps throwing a mic until he loses it...like a game with himself :hihi:

Point being if he changes it then it's meant to be lost/given to a fan.

Axl isn't going to care if he is singing into his own spit since he was doing it for 2 hrs previously so why else would he change the cover?

Kicking the audience at random? That's crazy!  :o
It was when the band wasn't on the stage watching it, as the song was the last one, no?

here's the answer!


Axl's afraid that someone might extract his DNA from the spit, so he's replacing it with the one Chris Pittman uses. because you can never have enough pittmans!

No it was still different, cause the one he used for most of the show, also had a red band at the base and a little antenna...the one he used for paradise was completly black and had no antenna

ahh gotcha cheers :beer: maybe it's an older model... :hihi:

Merck asked me to say that the security guard in question, if he really was one, has nothing to do with the band!

Also, Axl does indeed give away a mic each night.






/jarmo

say it again when cd is released. ::)
and No.
he changed the mike in case someone should catch a cold from the spit.
reportedly, he was under the weather at the weekend. Not that he wouldn't change it if he wasn't.

Oh yeah, i knew that....I noticed it was a Hard Rock security guard....he just wanted it for himself, or he gave it to some chick for a blowjob. ?

there was a whole episode of seinfeld that revolved around jerry's using the phrase "indian giver"
and about the security at the hard rock- they really meant business, anyone who was acting crazy got the boot and that made for a much more pleasant show for everyone else. ?general admission shows ?can be really rough. ?the audience at the hammerstein ballroom was so violent, it was hard to enjoy the show. ?it was hard to concentrate to watching the show while trying not to get pummelled by the crowd. ?it felt like i was being beat up. ?the show at the hard rock was cool. ?you could stand relatively close to the stage without being mauled. ?there was a very small area in the front center where guys were kind of slamming around, but aside from that it was all cool. ?

or some dude :nervous:

Yea, they were hard to miss, they were all dressed exactly the same and the size of Sasquatch.

Good to know it has nothing to do with the band though.


Yea, I watched them drag at least 10-12 people over the rail and kick them out during the course of the show.  Not sure what the people were doing though, I think a few were just taking photos.  The crowd was definitely way more relaxed than Hammerstein.

I knew that would be the case... Cool that Merck addressed it!

oops i just saw Jarmo's post now :peace: but it's weird the security looks for it on a regular basis :-\

In Nijmegen Axl had a mic with a red cap all the time, and he threw away a complete black (cheap) one, changed it in the last minute of PC like I said before.

.are Merck and Mysteron one of the same  :peace:

dont be so defensive.
pittman doesnt need you to defend him.

it was a joke. get used to it. internet forums are a place that people go to to have fun.
I love pittman, but still I like pit(t)man jokes.

I'm not defending him.
that kinda joke is not my idea of fun.  it's very old to start with.

many people still find it amusing.
try making puttman jokes your self, and you'll learn to appreciate other people's jokes. thats how I started : ok:

i see a lot of axl mic's on ebay, maybe the punk ass security just wanna make cash  :P (seriously)

and pittmans the shit, he's teh reason why i prefer gnr more than VR or any other bands.//  :rant:

I really didn't get how funny Pitman was until I watched him both nights in Vegas. ?He spent most of the show sitting on the floor indian style which I found hysterical and on the 16th he was sort of dressed like Johnny Depp in Pirates of the Caribbean.? He is a character for sure!!

On topic, I hope GNR/Management do something in the future about the actions of security guards in the shows and the mic incidents being that they are now fully aware of what went down at this show!


Really?  Is there a current link for the Vegas one because I will report that for sure!

great! He bothers to write about the microphone (the lamest thread in ages), but when we ask about Axl's shoe size or toilet paper he says "no comment". :P


I know that you are going to say, "you people bitch when there's no comment and now when you get a comment, you still bitch".
I want a comment, but not about the bloody microphone that some guy forgot to put in his pants!!!


it's like catching a golden fish, and she offers you a golden fish sandwitch. :confused:

I remember a guy walking out with the mic in Vegas (dec 29, 2001)...I also remember an EBAY auction showing some fan selling the mic he caught from Axl.? If it was me it would be kept forever and passed down...def. not sold!

Unlike Axl's shoe size this was actually an incident and people were struck/kicked by this security guard. ?For one I am glad he took the time out to comment on this. ?I could care less what size Axl's shoes are or what he uses to wipe his behind.

You think fans getting accosted by security at a show is a lame topic but Axl's shoe size is worthy? I have to just shake my head over here.

well you might earn more if you sell it as a sex toy... or a dildo.

it even comes with Axl's DNA. some ladies would pay for that quite a bit (http://www.chinesedemocracy.com/images/smiles/puke.gif)

alright dude, you need to get some serious lessions in sarcasm. double quick time!


yeah. there's LESS THAN ONE GUY PER SHOW that looeses a microphone thanks to the security!!! and that's what Merck commented on. THIS INCIDENT! When ONE(depending on if the guy who claims it is talking out if his ass) guy lost a microphone!!!

He(merck) DID NOT comment when people got seriously troubled by the security,
DID NOT comment when axl got late for shows

Axl DID NOT comment when Philadelphia happened
Axl barely commented the Vancouver incident



And yet they bother for a spit covered microphone!!! That's ludicrous

#

look if you have nothing positive to contribute to this board why bother posting some people thinks its a discussion worth having and obvoiusly Merck read this and took interest if your not interested fuck off its simple go and bitch at another board

Couldnt agree more

why dont you go to www.asskissfetish.com forum?

but let me make it simple for anyone else who tries to make a similar comment to the one above...


Lucky is a GNR fan.
heretodaygonetohell is a GNR fan forum.
Lucky joins here today gone to hell fan forum.
fan forums are a place for discussion.
discussion-people giving their opinions.
opinions-like assholes, everybody has one.
if my opinion stinks-dont fucking smell it, go to someone else's ass

because i havent registered the site yet ok

Apology accepted   : ok:

surely he is a character so are other guys in GNR.
He's funny.

Do you really find this one funny? No, actually I like unfunny jokes. I often make them as many here know.
but this one...Isn't this sorta trying to pour ridicule on pittman?

yeah. it does sound heartless, when reading it again :no:
I apologise to mr Pittman. I love him :crying: :beer:

Lucky, that's better!

be converted! : ok:

I'm a good guy... but the voices in my head make me do stuff   :no:
 ;D

I caught the Microphone at the first NYC city show this year.  The security came to get it with flashlights, but I tucked it under my shirt.  I was at the Vegas show in 01 as well.  The microphone landed like ten feet from me.  They took that one.  That is why I knew I had to tuck it. 

When was that?

Axl handled it in Birmingham. I think the message was pretty loud and clear.

Two security guys were escorted out because of how they treated fans.




I could comment on that: Get over it



Same goes for that.





/jarmo

Yes, be converted it might snare you a little less negative karma....

Secondly, the little pink sign under my name indicates that I am not a dude, not since the last time I checked anyway....

Thirdly, there is a way to convey yourself without using insults. ?You can have a discussion without using them, it really makes you seem more mature.

Regarding what else you said don't you think it is a POSITIVE thing that the band/management is addressing issues as they come up now even if it is regarding one security guard in a club? ?Something they weren't doing previously as you referred to. ?A step forward as I see it....but of course that is my opinion.

Bandita are you talking to me? :confused:

No hon, I was referring to Lucky's post back to me a few rows up.?







Sorry for the confusion there :peace:

its not my job to keep track of it. and personally I dont give a fuck about the fans who get beaten up. but I find it more important than "where does Axl's mike end up"


to whom was it loud and clear? maybe to the security at the birmingham show... ?:nervous:
who else noted that? you dont expect all the future security guys to read your form. :hihi:
it's like saying "Gnr is getting big publicity! Axl was at a korn party in january!"



that's universal excuse. and quite childish ::)
it happened only 7 USA shows ago, and I dont see why we should let it go. :nervous:

It seems you want to argue more than actually having an opinion on this.  This ended up on the board because someone reported it here and Merck commented. 

You are also dragging incidents that happened 4 years ago into this which really have no place here except to add fuel to your argument.

Get over 2002, this is 2006 and a new start for GNR.  Rehashing the past isn't going to dictate what the band/management does now and in the future.  They can't make a statement about every show and every incident but be glad they are actually taking the time out now to respond to some of these things.

Of course it's not your job... I mean, if you actually knew when it happened, it would be easier to answer. But it's just a lot more conveniant for you to complain in a general way.





I think the fans, who read this board and think Axl wants security to kick his fans' asses, now know better.





Your posts are childish.

It wasn't "only 7 USA shows ago". It was almost four years ago.

Aren't you happy I don't bring up stuff you posted a few years ago? Or maybe I should just say "oh, that was just one username ago".




/jarmo

sorry. it's such a pretty pink sign ;) I dont know how I could have missed it.
but I dont use insults in most of my posts. I only add a heavy dose of sarcasm, mostly for a good cause(amusement), but sometimes it goes out of hand.

I think it's positive that the band/management are adressing issues. but "where did the microphone go", "put it in your pants" is not an issue for the fans. its an issue for ONE GUY. the issue for the fans is "when will the album be out", "who wrote what", "when will you come to our country/continent". but adressing the microphone issue is like putting a bandaid on a corpse - ludicrous.

try enjoying my sarcasm. you'll find it funny :peace:

Sarcasm doesn't always come across as intended when typing.

As for the album, no one knows at this point so if we didn't discuss anything else we would have 33276 threads of questions that cannot be answered and "ludicrous" speculation to use your own word.  Just because you do not deem it a valid discussion doesn't make it not one and you are free to post in threads you deem worthwhile.

And since we have people here discussing other issues with the security at shows I think that in itself makes this thread worth the read.

it happend on:
9.06.06. - 22h 12minutes ?- enterance 3, 24 meters east, 2 meters north.
13.06.06. - 21h 32minutes - arena, section 122, enterance c


prove me I'm wrong.




see how pointless that is. but I admit, I have no proof of anything happening.



where did I say that?! I said that security guys dont go reading your forum and they dont know what kind of attitude Axl has about it.
the security guys will be assholes on every show unless Axl pulls a stunt like that as an intro.
I know Axl's on our side, and if you bothered to read my previous posts(page 4-5 this thread), youd know I dont think Axl should do anything about fans problems with security because it's just not under his controle. but what I found amusing is Merck commenting on such an unimportant incident(the microphone thing), while there's pink elephant in the room.
my reply about it got blown up out of proportion, same as this thread.




you know what this reminds me of?

girl one: my barbie is beautiful
girl two: no, my barbie is more beautiful
girl one: no! mine is!
girl two: no mine is!
girl one: you are wrong
girl two: no you are
girl one: no you are
girl two:.... etc etc etc






well, the "7 usa show" thing was just to show you how easy is to relativise the truth.
we both know it's not something that that recenty but it's not something that can be "let go" that easly.
I'm not trying to start trouble, but I like to have things straight/objective. I'm not afraid to admit I'm wrong, but some people here would do anything to live in a lie.
and I say why? when the truth can also be beautiful.


next to adress the latter part...

well, if you remembered I apologised for that.
but if bringing up 4-5 year old posts will resolve anything go ahead. I dont mind.

I find it a ok theme(I wouldnt have read it if I didnt like the title enough)... but 8 pages? a merck reply?
that's like using a cannon to kill a fly. and there's bigger birds out there to hunt.
people blew my comment out of proportion. (next time I should use less caps lock). but still I have some valid points. and I'll defend them.

Lucky you are a .......... fuck your not worth it why are you here all you want to do is start shit and post absolute bollocks with not actual importance or substance to the thread i know if you was on a board i ran your ass would of been long gone i dont know why Jarmo puts up with your bullshit

......or just annoying

@anything goes

I feel like such a spammer.
dont worry. I'll stop posting if that makes you feel better. :no: just say the word, and I'll log off.

but all my replies have been on topic, and I had arguments for everything I said.
I only post when my opinion is diferent than that of the majority, because I honestly dont see the point in saying "I agree" every time I agree on something.
you might have interpred that as a war paint but it wasnt.
the times I actually insulted people are when I got those 2 karma points. rest of my posts is "bad words" free. and I use the word "fuck" only in "what the fuck". I see how someone might get offended by that.
4-5 years ago I got banned for making rasist remarks, and pissing people on purpose. when I returned I let jarmo know and I guess he let me stay if I dont repeat the same mistake (or any other I guess). I dont think I offended anyone personally, but only made my coments based on what we all know.

I use loads of sarcasm, but only to make my point clear+it's funny to read once you get the hang of it.

They should have left you banned.  You post to argue not to make any valid points.  If you keep having to tell us you are funny chances are you aren't quite the comedian you claim to be since no one seems to be understanding your humor at all.

Now can we get back on topic?

you need to get to know me better.
well it's a semantic kind of a thing... I'm here to discuss- not argue... but its a thin line.
that's because it's so hard to prove anyting around here...
well you need to know me to know my humor. this is probably the 1st time you see me post and you instantly think I'm a) spammer b)axl hater c) Scot Weiland

ok, you wont find my posts funny, but you wont think they are so serious... you'll think I'm an idiot, but not some spamming warlord.


back on topic:

yeah the security guy is an asshole. hope he gets fired.
and does anyone know what microphones does the rest of the band use?
maybe he throws one of those...

Pointless?

You're the one saying there were problems that weren't dealt with or commented on. Yet you can't name one incident.

It's like people complaining about riots and make it sound like there's riots at every other show.

Or like they cancel more shows than they play.



There were posters mentioning Axl and security thinking it's his fault.


/jarmo

i don't think anyone thinks Axl's fault for the guards actions, most of us know he tells them to back the fuck off if he sees them being too rough..all bands rag on security if they act like dicks and the band sees it, but how are we supposed to know if Axl sends security in the crowd to get them mic back or not? not all of us email Merck.

most entertainment people usually want their shit back if it goes in the crowd...ball players usually want their bat back, hockey players usually try and get their stick back and i've  seen once where a guitar was thrown into the corwd and they got that back (I can't recall what band it was though :-\ ) anyway my point is maybe they feel that it's their job to track it down when it's thrown, i doubt security guards all over the world are hardcore gnr fanatics who beat up people to get a souvenier or to sell it on ebay, c'mon, and we hear of it too regularily for it to be a coincidence don't ya think, unless its a group of stalkers who travel around after gnr dressed in security tshirts looking for axls used mics :hihi:

regardless it's really not that big of deal although it became the hot topic of the day

To the average person if you catch the mic and and security says...um we need that back...what are ya gonna do? hand it back prolly....My advice, like i already stated earlier, if one of ya catch it shove it up your shirt and get the fuck outta dodge. :peace:

heres what I originaly said, and the caps lock that I guess started this debate.

the phily/vc we'll put behind.
I also dont know of any incident with the security in 2006. what I said was a dirty lie.
the late thing I guess I can put behind as well.

still I find the microphone press release bad taste.
it's like george bush talking about indangered animal species in iraq.
but enough with my sarcasm. it can only get me in trouble


 :peace:






edit: and to all those of you who take my posts seriously, read the signature!!! Its been there for a while now... what else do you need.

Where did I say the words press and release?

It was a comment made by Merck, not a press release.


Talk about blowing things out of proportion.....



/jarmo

I was under the impression that everything you say merck said is official.
and press release or not it's what he said is that matters.

I used "press release" because so far I never seen people diferentiate "what merck said" and "press release".
and I dont use english often. in fact I dont use it at all. maybe 5 minutes per year (except the net), so sorry if I missinterpret something.

I agree, I think that is exaxtly what happened!  Axl would not through it out and then send someone out after it.  If he wanted his mikes back he wouldn't throw it cause there would be no guarantee that he would ever get it back after it had been thrown, I would have told security to blank off!!

Security guards wouldn't listen if they were told to back off, etc before a concert, they'd just carry on as usual.

I wonder if any bands issue specific instructions to venues about the behaviour of security?

@#$%Funker

 If I catch anything during a Concert... there is no way in hell I'm giving it back. Fuck Security. Let them call the Cops and we'll deal with it that way. If a performer gives me something then there is no way anyone is going to take it away. That was a gift to ME!.

As far as I'm concerned..... if Security tries to take something away from me then they are the ones commiting a crime and they are just setting themselves up for trouble. 

No shit! your posts in this thread almost convinced me that you were a security guy.

Hello, Beta here. No mic has never been returned to Axl. If security in fact took from the fan; he did on his own. We NEVER received any mic or anything that Axl had chosen to throw in the crowed. I dont know who named this topic but, my opinion is that it is pretty fucked up. I am sure that security has the mic.

Thank you so much for answering this Beta!!  Some of us have tried to tell people that Axl would never do that, but some people just have to bitch about something!
peace out
amyl

I love you to :love:

There you have it.  : ok:

Once again, it had nothing to do with the band.






/jarmo

I think it was pretty obvious from the start. :drool:

you honestly dont expect Axl to bother with all that trouble just to get the microphone?! :confused:

Thank you for answering this! :beer:

Also, and this was posted on another forum as well:

Indian Giver is a horribly rude and racist term towards Native Americans and if at all possible it really should be removed entirely.  No need to insult anyone here except the security guard who took it upon himself to act like an ass towards the fans-

Thanks for posting beta.   :D


Thanks. I love myself too.

Thanks again for the answer, Beta.
Also, please change the topic title someone, I'm Native n' I don't really like the title.

hmm...i wonder what her opinion of one in a million is.

take a look at the rir 5 video.
seems to me like he threw the one he used during the show :-X

It has all become a mountain out of a mole hill. ::)

I didn't make that up for the hell of it. Some of the stupid fucking studio mic's that some rappers use, are fucking expensive as hell.  I don't know why they cost so much, are they fucking gold plated or something?? But yes, I have heard of a few microphones costing 100,000 dollars. I wouldn't have said it otherwise.

^ whatever chill out....the mot expensive one I've ever heard of is like $15000 or something...got a link for this $100,000 microphone or at least know the name brand?

OMG we need an official statement to know the price of Axl?s mic :P ::)

 :hihi: no Axl's mike was the one a posted yesterday


 at least that's the mic jarmo has listed here http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/misc/equipment.html

i was just curious as to who was the manufacturer of this $100,000 mic :peace:

i'd hide the mike in my pants.

From A_F at MyGnr just to clear up the confusion:

[quote name='Almost Famous' date='Sep 21 2006, 05:41 PM' post='1442434']
Axl uses Shure Beta 58 Wireless mic's:
(http://heretodaygonetohell.com/pics/axl/axl-shurebeta-rip-oct92.jpg)


Not sure if this is the one he tosses though, the list price on it being $4000, that would be quite a hefty gift to a fan! 

thanks bandita i was looking for that pic yesterday :beer:

Why are we believing that this is the real Beta?

I don't think anyone is that sad to impersonate her.

Anyways, I reckon it was the venue's security that wanted the microphone back and not the GN'R management.

lol this is the internet dude very sad people. in the absence of a real life they can adopt a pretend one.

It was pretty clear it was the security of the venue who took the mic NOT GNR?s.
GNR have their own security and then there?s the venue?s security. I think the guy just wanted the mic for himself, it would be ridiculous from Axl to throw the mic to the audience and then try to get it back. It?s like giving a candy to a child and once he is tasting it someone comes and takes it back ::)

Oh I wasn't upset whatsoever and I'm sorry you took that way.  But I wouldn't just make something up and post it, I never have.  I know that I have read it before somewhere and I was only making a comment about it.  Like I said before, it was definitely a RAPPER'S studio mic and I don't remember which one. I really want to say it was Master P, only because I USED to listen to a little Master P about 7 or 8 years ago.  I'm sure it was a custom made mic of some sorts and there isn't going to be a link on the internet for it, that's just common sense.  So stop trying to make it sound like I'm making this shit up and WE ARE so off topic now ONLY because you questioned a comment that I made a few days ago. Stop trying to act like that because you haven't heard about it, that it's not true. Just because the most expensive mic you have heard of is "$15,000 or something", doesn't mean there aren't more expensive. I'm done talking about it because this thread isn't even about ANYTHING NEAR THIS TOPIC.  I know it will be really hard for you, but just let it go.

that aint the real beta , just look her other posts, she swears more than axl

superloconoriega go there.
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=d8470796f1f374bd585012ba41804aa1&topic=35972.0

I explained about the matter from my point of view there.

maybe it's because she's hanging out with ax 24/7

Axl Is God...

I Love GNR Since From Mexico...

Or maybe because she?s sick of all the bullshit she reads about Axl and the band? :(