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Title: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: Jizzo on September 21, 2006, 04:20:49 AM I'm really getting bummed thta they haven't been playing CD on this part of the tour
Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: Lucs on September 21, 2006, 04:22:09 AM Maybe they are still working on it.
Maybe they keep it for when the CD is released. Maybe they will play it later (only 3 shows now for the US tour). Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: Mr.Intensity on September 21, 2006, 04:23:35 AM They should play at least 6 new songs a night in my opinion, but I'm not running the show...
I mean they could select from Oh my god Rhiad Madagascar The Blues Chinese Democracy There was a time Better Irs Catcher in the rye. Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: blaqktiger on September 21, 2006, 04:31:58 AM I'm guessing they are saving it.... I think it will be a big part of the tour after the album drops.
Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: Mr.Intensity on September 21, 2006, 04:34:54 AM I'm guessing they are saving it.... I think it will be a big part of the tour after the album drops. I hope so, it has a great opening to it now... A perfect encore could be Chinese Democracy Madagascar Paradise City Although, perfect for just me it would be C.D Madagascar Coma or Estranged :yes: Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: mega_music on September 21, 2006, 04:38:48 AM I agree Chinese is a great song! I love the opener that started using in NY, very Cool!
Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: DaNutz on September 21, 2006, 04:52:26 AM Im personally hoping its not going to be on the album.
We need a poll. Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: Origen on September 21, 2006, 05:09:27 AM What ever songs they don't play there will always be a "why is it not being played" comment. I don't think there is any main reason it's not always in the setlist, it's just one of the songs they don't always play.
Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: TOPGUNner on September 21, 2006, 05:28:57 AM I like Chinese Democracy, and they played it well live at Hammerstein Ballroom, so I see no need to cut it from the set...unless of course, they cut it to make room for, you guessed it! MORE SOLO'S!!!! :drool: ;D
Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: jarmo on September 21, 2006, 06:25:01 AM It was the third show.
They didn't play it at all European shows either. /jarmo Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: comaboy on September 21, 2006, 06:41:57 AM I like Chinese Democracy, and they played it well live at Hammerstein Ballroom, so I see no need to cut it from the set...unless of course, they cut it to make room for, you guessed it! MORE SOLO'S!!!! :drool: ;D Or They make room for our favourite song named TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: uzilover on September 21, 2006, 07:02:46 AM They played Chinese Democracy at Donington (UK) earlier this year
The new intro is class, the song overall kicks ass? ? ? :peace: Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: MrBrOwNsToNeR on September 21, 2006, 07:04:44 AM they played it @ Paris (France)
this song sux. just play madagascar instead. Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: gandra on September 21, 2006, 07:11:23 AM I'm guessing they are saving it.... I think it will be a big part of the tour after the album drops. I hope so, it has a great opening to it now... A perfect encore could be Chinese Democracy Madagascar Paradise City Although, perfect for just me it would be C.D Madagascar Coma or Estranged :yes: Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: mongis on September 21, 2006, 07:42:11 AM they did it in both oslo shows... they were the best! 8)
Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: Dr. Blutarsky on September 21, 2006, 07:48:18 AM Hope they play it...love the new intro
Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: cineater on September 21, 2006, 08:15:11 AM They played Chinese Democracy at Donington (UK) earlier this year The new intro is class, the song overall kicks ass? ? ? :peace: No shit, that song has some potential. Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: sandman on September 21, 2006, 08:17:13 AM i love the song. one of my favorites.
my guess is that it will be the first single, and that may be why they are not playing it. i think it has potential to be a huge hit. Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: crofty on September 21, 2006, 08:41:47 AM I'm warming to CD, though I think it's one of the weaker new songs. I think a studio version might sway my opinions.
Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: CAFC Nick on September 21, 2006, 11:09:00 AM I have got a feeling they are still working on that song.
They changed the intro for the 2006 tour, but I got a feeling they don't think its just right yet so they are gonna work on it then play it for the real tour. Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: ppbebe on September 21, 2006, 11:46:34 AM Quote They changed the intro for the 2006 tour, but I got a feeling they don't think its just right yet so they are gonna work on it then play it for the real tour. as a new opener. :yes: My guess is that the song is developing into it as we speak. and when we hear the song open the show, it will break all hell loose. Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: lennonisgod on September 21, 2006, 11:47:32 AM i love the song. one of my favorites. my guess is that it will be the first single, and that may be why they are not playing it. i think it has potential to be a huge hit. Personally, I love the song as well and it still does have huge potential, but if it was the first single, that wouldn't be good at all for this album. The song just won't win over people that aren't fans of Guns N' Roses already, it just won't. I've been playing the song (and other new songs) to people for the last 5 years and nobody has ever made a comment about liking it. Better should be the first single or the single may be a song we haven't heard yet. Fuck, my girlfriend loves Better and she's not the type of person to say that about any of my music. She even sings along with it and most of my friends that are "casual" fans of GN'R love the song as well. Anyway, Chinese Democracy is still missing something and I don't know what it is. Like I said above, it could be a great fucking song but something is holding it back. I love the song, I really dig the intro, but I'm biased because GN'R is my favorite band. IN REALITY, I think the title track should be one of those tracks that STAND OUT to people. It needs to be stronger than it is right now and I don't think the finished version will be any different than the one they are playing live right now. Otherwise it would mean that they are still recording and working on finishing songs, which would suck. Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: 25 on September 21, 2006, 03:39:38 PM Personally, I love the song as well and it still does have huge potential, but if it was the first single, that wouldn't be good at all for this album. The song just won't win over people that aren't fans of Guns N' Roses already, it just won't. I don't think that "winning people over" is really an important consideration at this point. I think the question is whether the song will get a buttload of radioplay and media attention, regardless of whether it's Chinese or a different song. I know that most of us want GNR to come out firing on all cylinders and immediately reclaim their position as a top band but that's going to take more work than just picking the right song as the first single. As for why CD isn't a constant in the live set, who knows? Only IRS and BETTER are really constants, and that could simply be because they're relatively simple to reproduce on stage. Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: Mattattack on September 21, 2006, 03:53:02 PM I think Chinese Democracy is missing a kick ass solo and vocal melody. I think it has potential to be a nice album track, but definitely not single material. As for why they are not playing it...who knows? This whole tour is a fucking mystery, and a potential disaster, if they don't release the album and start doing promotion. Anybody know how the arena shows in Cali have sold? I just want the album to come out before the tour goes tits up from lack of promotion, late start times, and poor ticket sales.
Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: 25 on September 21, 2006, 03:58:12 PM This whole tour is a fucking mystery, and a potential disaster Everything is a "potential disaster." It's hardly as if GNR have the disaster market cornered. This post is a potential disaster. Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: HoldenCaulfield on September 21, 2006, 09:00:33 PM Yeah, it baffles one's mind. They have a kickass rocker that is full of energy, and they hardly ever play it. It needs to be the opener...
Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: lennonisgod on September 21, 2006, 11:59:44 PM Personally, I love the song as well and it still does have huge potential, but if it was the first single, that wouldn't be good at all for this album. The song just won't win over people that aren't fans of Guns N' Roses already, it just won't. I don't think that "winning people over" is really an important consideration at this point. I think the question is whether the song will get a buttload of radioplay and media attention, regardless of whether it's Chinese or a different song. I know that most of us want GNR to come out firing on all cylinders and immediately reclaim their position as a top band but that's going to take more work than just picking the right song as the first single. As for why CD isn't a constant in the live set, who knows? Only IRS and BETTER are really constants, and that could simply be because they're relatively simple to reproduce on stage. You're absolutely wrong about that. EVERY BAND WOULD LIKE TO WIN OVER PEOPLE AND HAVE NEW FANS OF THEIR MUSIC!! It's common sense and this album isn't going to be any different. How can you think that radio play is so important, but choosing the single isn't?? Most radio stations only play fucking singles. So if the first single was somehow "shitty", then there goes the radio play and thus all of the music fans that listen to the radio on a daily basis. It's not that confusing. Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: HamsterDemocracy on September 22, 2006, 12:19:50 AM I don't think Axl likes the song very much, Tommy was really surprised when Axl said he'd play it at Download.
Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: jazjme on September 22, 2006, 01:39:01 AM Personally, I love the song as well and it still does have huge potential, but if it was the first single, that wouldn't be good at all for this album. The song just won't win over people that aren't fans of Guns N' Roses already, it just won't. I don't think that "winning people over" is really an important consideration at this point. I think the question is whether the song will get a buttload of radioplay and media attention, regardless of whether it's Chinese or a different song. I know that most of us want GNR to come out firing on all cylinders and immediately reclaim their position as a top band but that's going to take more work than just picking the right song as the first single. As for why CD isn't a constant in the live set, who knows? Only IRS and BETTER are really constants, and that could simply be because they're relatively simple to reproduce on stage. You're absolutely wrong about that. EVERY BAND WOULD LIKE TO WIN OVER PEOPLE AND HAVE NEW FANS OF THEIR MUSIC!! It's common sense and this album isn't going to be any different. How can you think that radio play is so important, but choosing the single isn't?? Most radio stations only play fucking singles. So if the first single was somehow "shitty", then there goes the radio play and thus all of the music fans that listen to the radio on a daily basis. It's not that confusing. Just to add, and just taking your post as one of many of the same. How many bands have as much hardcore support from fans as GNR, honestly I would love to know, how many bands have off the cuff of my head numerous fan made sites, that attrract thousands of people. weather you post on them or not. And may I add, what band has giving fans the oppurtunity, of pre sales, for well this yr it seems almost every show. I may be wrong but I will guess not many. Casual fans are finding aboubt this site and others, because of us die hards, and the masses are growing. And many of these casual fans, never heard GNR do old material, again its a point that seems to go over many people , and when I read a review from someone, who was blown away who was a old die hard, and now really aprreciates and GETS the new band, well that can only be happenin 100 fold at shows. itrs a grass roots approach, and its working brillantly. And Axlsayd the album will be out this yr, soo, with that in mind, the album could be releseased ina 2 week window anywhere from now till dec, with no forwarning, but a huge announcement and fan fare, and thats all it needs, these shows are the starting ground, for people to see the band, to feel the excitement, to get to know the new guys. And they are proving thier worth. BUt like I had to tell anyone here that!.lol Its gonna be a sweet yr end for us the fans !And as far as CD, its sounds phenominal live since hammerstein, Im sure they are keeping it for the true tour start. and or rgith after CD is released. Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: King Sand on September 22, 2006, 01:50:11 AM I think Chinese Democracy is a great song as it is now... I'm suprised that so many people don't think it's that good (but it's just a matter of taste I guess)... It would make a great opener to a show cause it's got lots of energy and kick... I think it will be a better "album" track too, and as a first single... A lot of people like "Better" for the first single, but I think they should really save that one for a second (it has huge hit potential and will reach out to non-GNR fans)...
Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: 25 on September 22, 2006, 08:31:15 AM You're absolutely wrong about that. EVERY BAND WOULD LIKE TO WIN OVER PEOPLE AND HAVE NEW FANS OF THEIR MUSIC!! It's common sense and this album isn't going to be any different. How can you think that radio play is so important, but choosing the single isn't?? Most radio stations only play fucking singles. So if the first single was somehow "shitty", then there goes the radio play and thus all of the music fans that listen to the radio on a daily basis. It's not that confusing. Short version: The first single doesn't have to be the most commercial "please everyone all of the time" track on CD. The biggest obstacle to GNR at the moment is their credibility in the nedia, and with their first new release will come the inevitable second-guessing and comparisons to the old band. They could do with a release and a supporting marketing strategy which addresses or deflates those arguments. Because simply releasing the most radio-friendly song you have isn't going to stop the douchebag djs/vjs/show-hosts from adding their commentary, and if that commentary is "it's just axl and a cover band, where's slash?!" it's going to have a detrimental effect. Title: Re: Lack of Chinese Democracy (The song) in the set Post by: King Sand on September 26, 2006, 10:42:39 PM You've absolutely misinterpreted what I said. Short version: The first single doesn't have to be the most commercial "please everyone all of the time" track on CD. The biggest obstacle to GNR at the moment is their credibility in the nedia, and with their first new release will come the inevitable second-guessing and comparisons to the old band. They could do with a release and a supporting marketing strategy which addresses or deflates those arguments. Because simply releasing the most radio-friendly song you have isn't going to stop the douchebag djs/vjs/show-hosts from adding their commentary, and if that commentary is "it's just axl and a cover band, where's slash?!" it's going to have a detrimental effect. Agreed... Credibility in the media is the key... |