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How long do you think VR will last?

If the next album does well, i guess we'll see a 3rd album, if the album flops,do you think the band will split or go ahead and continue and make a 3rd album? :peace:

If VR were to split, i think Slash would continue to do slots on other artists albums and possibly even form a new band or bring back Slash's Snake-pit. As for the others, i have no idea? :peace:

Since Slash and Adler are friends, it would be good to see them back in a band together? :beer:

That's a good question. Honestly I think the next album will be their last. Unless it's a phenomenal album. For that to happen Weiland & Slash both have to be great. Better than Contraband.? I just don't see it happening though. I find it strange it's taken this long for their second album.

I think they'll tour & be thru sometime in early 2008. I think Slash, Duff, & Matt might either get back with Gilby &/or Izzy (to play guitar and sing), or Slash will join another band/supergroup.

Slash back with Steven Adler? I don't really think so.

I don't think it will be a phenomenal album. I kind of get the impression that VR just get together and work on a few songs and hope for the best. Matt Sorum and his blogs give me that impression. I don't sense a band working hard on something great. I sense a band working on some new material that may or may not work out well. If if does work out well then great. Time will tell i guess? :peace:

i think the next album is the last one, they will tour and who knows....

maybe another shot at solo stuff

maybe a few guest touring with friends

maybe a call from axl )slash/duff/matt) :hihi: (someone had to say it)

i hope that duff, slash and matt sorum stays together to the death!

GREAT team!

IF VR is to die i would love a reunion of Neurotic Outsiders! maybe with slash on  guitar istead of duff and duff taking the bass!

LOVE the NO's!

Hmmm... I think they will release the 2nd album and tour a whole bunch, then take some time off.  Scott will probably go ahead and release his next solo album during the break and they will probably hook up awhile after that and work on a 3rd album.  That may be it, but who really knows?  I'm just hoping for the best from the band and enjoying it while they are together (although if it wasn't for all the recent GN'R news, the band's silence would be killing me).

People will always woory about them splitting up-a lot of groups go through this-look at Audioslave-they are not ever going to tour for this record

Who knows.... I assume STP will get back together someday and I am hoping Gn'R will too.... I think VR's album will be much better than Contrabnd but may not be as successful..  One never knows... I just want a new album and some more live shows....

In 10 years time I can see a GnR and STP reunion will have happened.

As for now, I think VR have at least a few more good years in them, and I have good hopes for Libertad.

there rich famous, they have worked and got what they need.

Why do they need to put effort into albums, they just want an excuse to play infront of decent crowds.

Your not gonna get an amazing album because they simply dont have the drive to do it.

So that means every artist/musician are useless at writing songs/album just because they've "made it", no way.

A example is Slash's solo in Street Child he did a few years ago, a beautiful solo. I'm sure he didn't get paid over alot of money to write it yet it's still one of his best solos.

You have nothing to base this on.  VR have been an amazing success!!!  They've sold more albums than most bands could ever hope for... Your opinion seems to be based on nothing.  I'd like to see you elaborate on why you think these things?

no not at all.

it means the majority of them wont put as much effort into the albums.

hence usually alot of bands best albums are there earlier ones.

examples being.

oasis 1st 2 albums amazing, 3rd is ok, shoulder of giants varies...then after that....well.
metallica 80s albums are amazing, black album is alright. then they suck.

i've litened to the ongs on this site http://www.intothesupernova.com/ and supernova is pretty good, but after this tour, its most likely  over for 6 months. Same with VR, they'll release the album, tour, and then take a long break. Its hard to say really, depends on how good the album is, or if its a rehash of contraband.

 :rofl: dude, your saying that, your on a GnR forum for god sake! and if you followed VR you'd know that they only finished touring near the end of last year so really a year isnt much, compaired to 10 years is it?

Exactly!

And from Matt has posted in his blogs, it seems as though they really wanna work on this t make something great, not just rush it out.

Thats a good point. I see Slash as someone who just likes to add a little something to other artists tracks here and there, maybe thats all he is good for these days. Maybe the full blown motivation required to work on 30+ tracks to pick out 10 good tracks to make a great album simply isn't there at the moment? :peace:

wow...such negativity about Slash and VR!

Slash is a true master at what he does....i'm sure we won't have heard the last from him.

Hopefully VR will be back with another album. Theres not really any reason to expect they wont. They've always appeared very close in interviews etc. They're prob just taking a break after that massive tour.

In the event they did split up, well then maybe GNR and STP could reunite...lol...but i cant see that happening unless the new GNR folks also had some kind of split.....

Anyway...i have hopes for the next VR album. I mean we KNOW that slash/duff/matt are capiable of amazing stuff - we just need them to make it a little more gnr like and slightly less stp like (although i dug VR anyway)

Sure VR will be back with their 2nd album, it just remains to be seen how good it will be. As for Slash, i think he is great, although there is a part of me that feels that while Slash is in VR we're not going to hear anything good from him. The 1st VR album did little if nothing for me.

I'd be interested to know why the style was different to his other records in VR. Like was he trying something new? Was it scott's influence? or Dave's ? Who knows. But i belive in Slash/Matt/Duff as a unit...

You're absolutely right, it is based on not much, just my guess. The original quetion was "How long do you think VR will last?"  It's not asking based on scientific data..

 :hihi: Yeah, that is pretty funny. Everythings relative though.. I suppose Green Day doesn't have a new album yet either, and AI came out not long after Contraband. So I suppose it's average period of time, I'm just anxious for something GnR related. Anything. :beer:

True dude... but I'd like to know how you formed your opinions... thinking is usually based on ideas and thoughts that create final outcomes ....

Hopefully after this album and tour the length of the last one, they can get a third disc out.

Just a hunch.. I'll admit I'm not a huge Weiland fan, but I think Contraband is a decent album. Just didn't set the music world on fire. I look at Audioslave, I think the first album was solid, second was a little the same, and now I haven't heard much from the 3rd album, but seems a little the same as well. Nothing revolutionary. Didn't someone say they're not even touring this time around??? I'd rather see 1 more Soundgarden record.

Anyway, IMHO, if the next album is awesome, then yeah, I feel they'll definitely put out a 3rd & possibly more. But if it ends up being so-so, then maybe they'll call a spade a spade and split. They had they're fun.

I don't see what's so questionable about this all, although it is only my guess so I don't take it as fact, but I mean realistically do you think they'll put out 4 or 5 albums?? That's like 10 years.. Maybe they will but I don't think they will.  Out of curiousity what do you think will happen to VR?

I personally think this wil be thier last album regardless of how well or how poorly it does. I don't know why, I just have a  feeling.

I think if VR wants to be really successful, and be a mainstay in rock music they need to atleast get a 3rd album out. You never know what can happen, Id like to see VR last as long as possible.

I think in the past many GnR fans believed that Slash and possibly Duff would return to GnR. Over recent times i get the impression that this really won't be happening any time soon, and what with Scotts out burst towards Axl on the VR site, all this will add up to either destroy VR or make them stronger. With that in mind, VR need to either produce an album thats better than their 1st attempt or split and go their own ways.

When they played the stuff from the Izzy sessions; Scott didn't like any of it cause it sounded too much like GnR.....like that's a bad thing or something :hihi:

I also think VR has to make the next album better. What happens with Guns N' Roses might have some what to do with the path they take. If they kepp going on with a 3rd album or all go on their own ways. I don't see guns N' Roses or STP getting back togehter anytime soon. 

They'll fulfil their contract for 3 albums, then split.
Scott's next solo album is due at the beginning of next year, btw.

I don't think this album will do that great. After all it's taken them this long because Rick Rubin didn't think the material they had was good enough so he told them to go back and work on it! Plus their album sold a lot on hype and publicity. I don't hear much aobut them now. Fall To Peices and Slither did pretty well on the charts but after the hype was over "Dirty Little Thing" and "Come On, Come In" didn't do so well. Here's the single positons:

Year Title Chart positions Album
                               U.S. Hot 100 U.S. Modern Rock U.S. Mainstream Rock UK Singles Chart

 "Slither"                56              1                               1                         35 Contraband
 "Fall to Pieces"     67               2                               1                         32 Contraband
 "Dirty Little Thing" -                18                              8                          -   Contraband
"Come On, Come In" -              -                               14                         - Fantastic Four


Notice how the singles chart lower and lower since Slither?

Yeah but who thought DLT, and COCI were better than Loving the Alien, Headspace, big machine, YGNR, etc.

Bad single selection if anything, not a bad product :smoking:

Yeah, that never ever happens with other records. And indeed, the more logical explanation could never be that further along the line more people bought the actual record and felt no need to buy the singles anymore.... nah, that would just be a stupid conclusion, I think I'll just go with yours...

Where the hell did you get that?

Sorum told us that in a blog update.....  Not those exact words..

VR will last until Duff tells Slash the drugs have got to stop

Slash doesn't do drugs anymore.

When people say things like this it just proves they don't know what they are taking about.

i bet he does  :hihi:

If he doesn't, they should stop now does the world really need a clean and healthy Slash?

Yeah the album's what double platinum? Out of how many people? I'm pretty sure the entire population doesn't have Contraband. Plus Come On, Come In wasn't off of Contraband. For the guy that asked I got the Rick Rubin thing off Wikipedia. No he didn't say the material sucked he said he didn't feel it was strong enough beyond 3-4 select songs. Same thing basically.

Wikipedia, huh?   :rofl:

 :confused:

When youre discussing record sales in terms of an entire countrys population, youve lost the argument. 

THey're are plenty of rock albums that sell more than double platinum so the fanbase is there. The hype was there. When someone says that everyone owns the album and that's the reason the singles aren't doing well then he's lost the argument because that's stupid. As for the guy laughing at Wikipedia it's a good source of information plus there are citations and someone else said it was in Matt's own journal which means I was right and that people need to stop thinking of whatever they can to protect their favorite bands.

Albums can also go Diamond (Sell 10million copies in the US) but no one ever talks about that since there nothing that good around in these dark times good enough to sell that much. If VR sells that much they will last.

If Axl doesn't do that well he will feel he's waisted the last 12 years of his life.

As stupid as taking something so obviously hyperbolic literally? 

No.

The Spaghetti Incident? only went platinum...But out of curiosity, list the plenty of rock albums to go triple-platinum and higher in the last 3 or so years.

 

I think Coldplay, U2, Nickelback & Green Day might be the only ones... all bands which have had staying power and remained popular.

Nickelback popular?

You need to post before you take the drugs?

What a stupid argument the spaghetti Incident is an album of covers. It didn't have massive promotion either because like I just said it was all covers. Cover albums usually aren't mega-popular. In fact it sold 1000 000. Contraband only sold 2 000 000. Contraband was the debut album so it would get a lot of people checking it out from curiousity unlike the spaghetti incident. It was all new material unlike the spaghetti incident. It was by a supergroup made of two massively popular bands and had so much hype it was unbelieveable and was heavily pushed on radio. Comparing Contraband to the Spaghetti Incident is retarded. Plus factoring in the spaghetti incident was released when rock wasn't popular meanwhile  when contraband was released old guns n' roses songs, ramones songs, rolling stones songs and songs by any old band was now being raped in merchandising of t-shirts and on games like Grand Theft Auto and commercials. Slash even appeared on a commercial for visa mastercard in 2001 I believe.

Any more news on Libertad?

Here is a photo from earlier this week after performing together.

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There is nothing to worry about with VR, they are taken there time making the album that's all. And probably within the next few months we will be hearing alot more about Libertad.

I didn't say anything about liking them, but how could you even argue that they are not popular?  A quick glance on wikipedia shows that they had a #1 song on the Mainstream rock charts for a total of 13 weeks in the past year and their CD went quadruple platinum.

As for the drugs comment... I don't even think what you wrote made sense, but nice try.

Shit man, talk about missing the point.

I'll try and explain more carefully what I was saying:
Suppose 100 people are interested in a band and that band brings out an album. Let's say 40 of these 100 buy the album when it comes out. That leaves 60 people who would possible buy the first single. The first single drops, 20 people buy it and 20 other people decide they like the single, so they'll buy the album. For the next single (the second), there are now 30 possible buyers. Say 10 of these buy the single and 10 decide "well, that's the second single I like, I might as well buy the album instead". For the third single, there's an audience of 20 people left.

See where I'm getting at? I know it's a simplification, I know I'm not taking some factors into account, but you can't just go around showing declining single sales and use that the show a decline in interest in the album. The first single always sells best for an established band (or a band with well known members).

As for Come On, Come In not being on Contraband, granted. But that was a soundtrack on a less than succesfull movie that was never pushed by Vr whatsoever. Trust me, when Libertad comes around, they'll start the promotion machine again.

Maybe so but the first single's not always the hit. A lot of times the first single could bomb but the next single will be huge. There's plenty of examples but the only one I know without thinking hard about it that everyone would know is KISS releasing their Destroyer album and first single "Detroit Rock City" but it didn't do that well. People started playing "Beth" and it became a hit.

I love Detroit Rock City...

As do I. I don't like "Beth" much though. But Detroit Rock City never actually charted.

Reel it back in kids, Kiss can be discussed in The Jungle.

Thanks.

Hopefully the next VR record will be good - but will only do OK - same with the next GN'R record.  At the end of the day both bands are lacking the key ingredient in Mr Stradlin'.  Both are lacking his songwriting prowess.  He's the only guy who's still friends and in touch with all the original band, so hopefully... a couple of years time and the UYI line-up will be back.  We need Dizzy's keys... and Steven won't be able to handle the UYI material.  He'd do well to handle the AFD material, given the state he's in.

Plenty of Izzy, Reunion, Adler and "Dizzy's keys" talk in the appropriate sections.

Lets say we keep it that way.

Thanks.

I expect the band to be together a long time. They were having so much fun playing together and they seem to have good chemistry. I also think that the workig arrangement is flexible enough that they can do solo projects inbetween VR projects and everyone is happy. I don't see any reason why the band would disband after the second album. I expect the second album to be better and I think they will tour strongly.

Furthermore, I don't think  it is  that important for the second album to be a classic. The first album was solid, even very good. But not a classic. I did not even like it that much until I saw them live. And that is my point. VR is a killer live  band. And they like being on tour. So as long as they are having fun and putting on GREAT shows, I think the band will stay together. Their longevity will not hinge on what they do in the studio. You know, Keith Richards said, a few years back, that the Stones "were always a better live  band than studio band.' Of course, he was  justifying a series of mediocre albums, but the point is that bands can live (and thrive) even with less than stellar studio albums. Reality: if GNR depended on studio albums to survive, the band would have dried up and blown away a long time ago.

i believe VR has a 3 album deal with RCA... so we'll get 3 albums, after that who knows.

Weiland wants to make solo albums, and the STP reunion will also happen down the line... VR will break up when Weiland leaves.

as to when that'll be, your guess is as good as mine.

i heard somewhere that the guy producing 'libertad' didnt like any of the songs VR wrote for the new album so made them go back and start again

on topic: i think we'll get about 3 albums out of VR

that'd be Rick Rubin.

A similar situation worked out well for Green Day, when their record got stolen. Look what they came up with when they let it go.

I saw Velvet Revolver one week then went to see Carlos Santana the next at the same venue. This was like a case study in opposites, Carlos volume was ten time what Velvet Revolvers was and so was the energy. It was like Love vs. Hate, Hate was not nearly as powerful as love in the translation. It wasn't Scot that was shooting lighting bolts from his eyes either; compared to the rest of the band HE seemed the mellowest. Them thorns in the roses? Scot can sing so they have options outside of anger and discontent these dimensions like Slipknot leave me reaching for The Eagles Cd after a while. I want to see some vulnerability, what good is a broken rock star if you think there is no chance to put em back together.... who wants to put back together a viper den of discontent.

I am a huge fan of Rick Rubin?s it will be interesting to see what he brings out in this band. I think it will be great.

eh, if the next album is really kickass, they'll make a good third album

if the next album is sucky/mediocre, they'll try again and make a bad third album

Hopefully for awhile, VR and GNR should definitely be able to take Rock back to the supreme level of music.  Im Pro-GNR, but I'm a fan of VR and definitely looking forward to the new album.  Spring is the target release date right?

yeah...its kind of uncertain, but matt sorum said sometime this spring : ok:

Isn't it funny how things get misconstrued... ::)

From what I've read, I believe Rick listened to what VR had and liked some of the songs, but told them keep writing, so that they'd have a lot of songs to choose from. That way they'll pick the best from the batch for the album.

I dont understand why some people would assume that VR will disband, If Axl wasnt such a pain in the ass they would all still be in GnR, These guys have REAL chemistry and to me that is a sign of strength.

They will be around for a while, Scott is the only worry to me.

as much as i'd want an STP reunion the DeLeo boys seem to very happy with Richard Patrick in Army of Anyone right now. and it looks like they will be making music for a long time as well. scott seems to have smoothed things over with the DeLeo's though, i hear they are talking and are friendly again.

i'm not totally ruling out an STP reunion but if it happens it will be a really really long time from now, due to VR's contract as well as Army of Anyone kicking off this year.

Velvet Revolver and Army of Anyone seem very content together so i mean who knows.