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Title: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: Neemo on September 14, 2006, 03:43:20 PM
when did that incident happen? can anybody post an article about htat incident?

thank you :beer:


Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: Neemo on September 14, 2006, 03:52:58 PM
found the incident any other articles would be appreciated :peace:

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October 18th, 1989 - GN'R open for the Rolling Stones at the LA Coliseum. Axl threatened to quit if certain members of the band didn't stop "dancing with Mr. Brownstone". Here's what he said:
"I hate to do this on stage. But I tried every other fucking way. And unless certain people in this band get their shit together, these will be the last Guns N' Roses shows you'll fucking ever see. Cause I'm tired of too many people in this organization dancing with Mr. Goddamn Brownstone."

Slash, Izzy and Steven promised to clean up.


Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: Jim Bob on September 14, 2006, 03:57:23 PM
found the incident any other articles would be appreciated :peace:

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October 18th, 1989 - GN'R open for the Rolling Stones at the LA Coliseum. Axl threatened to quit if certain members of the band didn't stop "dancing with Mr. Brownstone". Here's what he said:
"I hate to do this on stage. But I tried every other fucking way. And unless certain people in this band get their shit together, these will be the last Guns N' Roses shows you'll fucking ever see. Cause I'm tired of too many people in this organization dancing with Mr. Goddamn Brownstone."

Slash, Izzy and Steven promised to clean up.

I think that was a little different.   Supposedly early on in the Illusions tour was when he secured his rights to the GNR name.   Look for Slash and Duff interviews from their post GNR days.  Axl has never said anything about it, so we have only one side of the story, and it seems to change often.


Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: Genesis on September 14, 2006, 03:58:36 PM
^^ Yeah, the article u've mentioned is about Slash and the rest cleanin up, not abt the rights to the Guns name.


Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: Neemo on September 14, 2006, 04:09:53 PM
^^ Yeah, the article u've mentioned is about Slash and the rest cleanin up, not abt the rights to the Guns name.

do you know if axl ever threatened about the band name?


Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: Neemo on September 14, 2006, 04:27:11 PM
ok it was may 1991 before the get in the ring tour

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TOM ZUTAUT: On the eve of the tour, Axl told the rest of the band that the only way he would play was if they'd give ownership of the name to him. They were looking at canceling the tour and losing millions and millions of dollars, [so] they capitulated.


Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: slashisvr on September 14, 2006, 04:33:30 PM
yeah a satement or soe3mthing would be cool, i just dont see how axl could have said that to the guys who also created the band, but at the same time, it was just axl and izzy original, til lthe other guys left and slash and co came in


Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: Neemo on September 14, 2006, 04:39:04 PM
i dunno now i found this, q magazine in 2003

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Worse was still to come. A year on Axl Rose would threaten to quit in protest over the heroin use. Whatever his motives, he was taking control of the band (he had legally bought the rights to the Guns N? Roses name back in January 1988). Rose was also readying his band?s grand statement: Use Your Illusion I and II, overblown twin releases that emerged simultaneously, the week before Nirvana?s Nevermind.

wtf is that about?


Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: supaplex on September 15, 2006, 01:57:29 AM
i remember slash saying in an interview that axl was being late for every show during the illusions tour and one day before a show he came late as usual and told them that if they don't sign the rights over to him he won't go on stage and it's over. and slash said they signed because at that time they didn't care. this happened somewhere around the start of the tour.

if someone can find the exact interview, cheers, i can't remember now :beer:


Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: themovieaddict.com on September 15, 2006, 02:35:43 AM
It was during the Illusion tour. Axl told Slash and Duff that they had to sign over their rights to the GN'R name. He then said he would quit if they did not do so.


Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: crash_diet on September 15, 2006, 05:55:06 AM
noone, and i mean NOONE, exept Axl and the rest of the band, really knows what happened then about this matter... we ve heard the story by the old members, by the press, by "everyone who think they know everyhting about  the band, but they dont know shit" etc etc..

only Axl has never said anything about it....

so as far as i m concerned, none of this is true - and i believe we ll never know exactly what happened back then.....

so dont try to explain to other people what was going on then cause it s all speculations....  : ok:



Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: slashisvr on September 15, 2006, 07:16:57 AM
noone, and i mean NOONE, exept Axl and the rest of the band, really knows what happened then about this matter... we ve heard the story by the old members, by the press, by "everyone who think they know everyhting about? the band, but they dont know shit" etc etc..

only Axl has never said anything about it....

so as far as i m concerned, none of this is true - and i believe we ll never know exactly what happened back then.....

so dont try to explain to other people what was going on then cause it s all speculations....? : ok:



as long as axl doesnt say anything, then just go with him, you know dont beleive slash or duff, just beleive the renowned liar. : ok:


Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: Neemo on September 15, 2006, 08:58:11 AM
well the only thing i could find on the subject was the TOM ZUTAUT quote...and didn't axl fuck him over? coulda been trying to make him look bad...any article is what i'm looking for, i know what the rumor is :peace:

but I'm with crash_diet....i think this is a fabrication .... cuz i haven't even found a quote from slash or duff on the matter...and I've looked

Quote from: Slash on leaving GnR
How do you feel about Axl continuing to tour as Guns N' Roses?

Axl is making the call for whatever his 3 percent of the band is worth. He's making the call these days. My life was just miserable then. I couldn't deal with it. So I just left. So when he wanted to use the name Guns N' Roses I said sure, I didn't want anything to do with it.

Quote from: Duff on leaving GnR
"Then I went back to dealing with Axl, and I realized I just didn't need it anymore. It was just me and him. Slash had left, Izzy had left. It wasn't the same band, and I just thought: 'What's the point?"

both those quotes don't seem to me like they were employees of axl...but partners and they relinquished their rights to him when they quit. I'm not pro-Axl or pro-Slash, I don't favor one over the other, they both are great, just interested in this story so i can make my own mind up what i think happened.  :peace: right now it looks like it's bullshit.


Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: slashisvr on September 15, 2006, 09:13:49 AM
i rember slash talkin about it once he said if he had a load of heroin he would have used it all or if he had a gun he would have shot himself at the time, because ihe was so upset oir sngry about it


Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: Neemo on September 15, 2006, 09:16:13 AM
i rember slash talkin about it once he said if he had a load of heroin he would have used it all or if he had a gun he would have shot himself at the time, because he was so upset or angry about it

that was the 1989 incident unless I'm mistaken :peace: and it was from the behind the music show and he said....

"I know it was directed at me because i was pretty strung out at the time. and that was prolly one of the things that made me hate Axl more than anything. I probably never ever forgave him for it, without even thinking about it"


Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: wells on September 15, 2006, 09:27:32 AM
That was one of a best moves Axl ever made : ok: ...


Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: slashisvr on September 15, 2006, 09:31:45 AM
i rember slash talkin about it once he said if he had a load of heroin he would have used it all or if he had a gun he would have shot himself at the time, because he was so upset or angry about it

that was the 1989 incident unless I'm mistaken :peace: and it was from the behind the music show and he said....

"I know it was directed at me because i was pretty strung out at the time. and that was prolly one of the things that made me hate Axl more than anything. I probably never ever forgave him for it, without even thinking about it"

i think it was a sperate thing, im sure i read it in a guitar mag in 1996 after he lefdt i think whne they had a slash interview and rumoured that zakk wyld would replace him


Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: Neemo on September 15, 2006, 09:34:02 AM
i rember slash talkin about it once he said if he had a load of heroin he would have used it all or if he had a gun he would have shot himself at the time, because he was so upset or angry about it

that was the 1989 incident unless I'm mistaken :peace: and it was from the behind the music show and he said....

"I know it was directed at me because i was pretty strung out at the time. and that was prolly one of the things that made me hate Axl more than anything. I probably never ever forgave him for it, without even thinking about it"

i think it was a sperate thing, im sure i read it in a guitar mag in 1996 after he lefdt i think whne they had a slash interview and rumoured that zakk wyld would replace him

and you don't happen to have it do ya? anyway any insights are cool but nothing beats an actual quote :no:


Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: slashisvr on September 15, 2006, 09:41:04 AM
unfortunatly its in the loft with all other GNR memorbillia, it was like a 5page spread of slash and the interview, i could be wrong, but i vaugly rember it being in there.i think it was total guitar slash was on the front of the cover with his red sig les paul.

after all that i could be wrong, you may be right neemo


Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: Neemo on September 15, 2006, 10:05:44 AM
after all that i could be wrong, you may be right neemo

and you could be right too :peace: that's why I want to find hard proof, everything else is hearsay :hihi: but I'm glad that I'm having as hard of time as everyone else...it's not like the media to not jump on the "Axl is the antichrist" bandwagon so if a nazi type move ever happened i expected it to be relatively easy to find an article somewhere about it


Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: slashisvr on September 15, 2006, 10:26:17 AM
wether this helps??

Axl Rose Buys "Guns N' Roses" Name

Addicted To Noise Orange County correspondent Mark Brown reports: Guns N' Roses leader Axl Rose has bought the rights to the name "Guns N' Roses," and can put out any music he wants under that moniker, played by anyone he chooses, according to (ex) Guns N' Roses guitarist Slash. If Axl gets the notion--and who's to say he won't?--he can dump the entire band and replace them with Debbie Boone, Vanilla Ice and Meatloaf singing the songs of Dexy's Midnight Runners and STILL call the whole thing Guns N' Roses.

"That's something that happened, Slash said this week from his L.A. home. "I was blindsided by it, more or less a legal faux pas. I don't know what he's gonna do, as far as that goes. But I'd be lying to say I wasn't a little bit peeved at that. It'd be one thing if I quit altogether. But I haven't, and the fact that he can actually go and do that without the consent of the other members of the band ..."

At the moment, Slash is on the road with Slash's Blues Ball and, incredibly, on adult contemporary/new age radio with "Obsession," a song for a movie soundtrack. More on that in a minute.

As usual, though, Guns N' Roses future--and its present--is uncertain. Despite the name and personnel controversy--Axl is reportedly holed up with other musicians writing the next Guns album--Slash insists it's all overblown. "For some strange reason, Guns N' Roses is like the catalyst for controversy, even before we had any kind of record deal," Slash said. "We were always the band in town that everybody liked to make up stories about. It's more of the same, only on a bigger scale.
"Axl and I have just not been able to have a meeting of the minds of such that we can actually work together," Slash admitted. "We've been through this a dozen times. It seems like a big deal now, but to me it's more of the same. I haven't really gone anywhere. I haven't officially quit the band. It's just that we're not seeing eye to eye on where Guns should be going. It's just such a pain in the ass."

His plan, he said, is to wait, "let the smoke clear and maybe we can talk about it later, rather than try and force something unnatural and have everyone go 'We waited around all this time for THIS?' Axl's whole visionary style, as far as his input in Guns N' Roses, is completely different from mine. I just like to play guitar, write a good riff, go out there and play, as opposed to presenting an image."

Meanwhile, Slash's got his own record to make. A second Slash's Snakepit album will be recorded as soon as Slash's home studio is finished. And with "Obsession" from the Curdled soundtrack (executive producer Quentin Tarantino) hitting the number four spot on L.A.'s "The Wave" AC radio station, he's having to get used to rubbing musical elbows with the likes of Kenny G.

"To tell you the truth, I haven't really grasped that whole medium of music where you end up on The Wave," Slash said, explaining that a friend at Miramax sent him some rough cuts of films to look at. He said he came up with a quick instrumental for Curdled, which he described as "a movie about a serial killer, but it's funny at the same time...

"I wrote this song for the movie soundtrack and that was basically it. I don't know exactly how to receive No. 4 in the adult-contemporary charts. Obviously that's a little left-field for me."

But Slash is willing to try just about anything, from recently sitting in with Boz Scaggs to movie scores. "The whole point is I don't have any big statements to make," Slash said. "I just like playing." A friend at Miramax sent him some rough cuts of films to look at, and he came up with a quick instrumental for "Curdled," which Slash describes as "a movie about a serial killer, but it's funny at the same time."

GUNS N' ROSES guitarist SLASH was ousted from the group because singer AXL ROSE

GUNS N' ROSES guitarist SLASH was ousted from the group because singer AXL ROSE has wrested total legal control over the California rockers. Slash reckons he made a mistake by allowing the singer to gain complete legal control over the PARADISE CITY group. And Slash, who left the group after fighting with the frontman last year, reckons he might still be in the group if he had been more aware of what Rose was doing. He says, "That's something that happened. I was blindsided by it, more or less a legal faux pas. I don't know what he's gonna do, as far as that goes. But I'd be lying to say I wasn't a little bit peeved. It'd be one thing if I quit altogether. But I haven't, and the fact that he can actually go and do that without the consent of the other members of the band..." Meanwhile, Rose is currently writing the next Guns N' Roses album in Los Angeles without Slash.





Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: Neemo on September 15, 2006, 10:38:13 AM
thanks slash, but i think that is a different matter, that's not the hold the band and tour at ransom incident...but helpful in my search for sure : ok:

looks like he went to Geffen or something and purchased the rights to the name from them


Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: slashisvr on September 15, 2006, 10:43:42 AM
i dont have a clue where to find it, i remeber readin about it on the net a few years ago.


Title: Re: When axl threatened to leave if the name wasn't signed to him
Post by: Neemo on September 15, 2006, 10:45:53 AM
i dont have a clue where to find it, i remeber readin about it on the net a few years ago.

yeah i recall it too but i can't find shit either...ah well maybe somebody else wil come across it...thanks for looking though :beer: