Here Today... Gone To Hell!

A word to the wise:

GNR fans still looking to check out the Vegas or San Francisco shows need not fret about not having tickets to this alledgedly "sold out" show.

I was just at ticketmaster.com and I can get 8tickets to each show.

Best of luck!

If we cant sell out clubs with a 2-3week ticket window we are in for some trouble.

it just boggles my mind to see them go on another tour without the album or atleast a dam single....stupidity if u ask me....

I would say that .But I would say they need to do some fucking advertising .

Not more threads about this  :confused:

yeah is like tthe third topic today of the same sh|t

Now that I agee with. Starting to seem like 2002 all over again.But hell their out playing shows atleast

For the San Francisco shows, they must of released more tickets, because I know at least last week when I checked, you couldn't get tickets to either of the SF shows, but now you can get floor for both.

No album , no single , no promotion ...

2002 starts now?  ???

who knows , maybe before this goes to far we'll have a single , a release date and some promotion ...  :peace:

I here ya. I remember specifically when the 2002 debacle happened I said at least one good thing they'll never play again without the album coming out first. ?Then ?Euro tour happened and that was understandable why they'd do that, but now playing here with no album I just don?t get it either............ ? ? ?:-\

Look you fucking twat, we know you are on Velvet Revolvers ass-squad-Heroin-junkie-Weiland's stupid ass street team. ?You post the same shit, and fucking Phish and Spam the board with FUCKIN LIES.

Look, we have already discussed this, but here is how it works so everyone knows, and there is not fake propaganda spreading like fucking Rovian (yeah, Karl fuckin "Weiland" liar Rove) wildfire. ?

TICKETMASTER HOLDS BACK A FEW HUNDRED TICKETS FOR EVERY SHOW TO PREVENT SCALPERS FROM BUYING ALL THE TICKETS. ?IT'S IN TICKETMASTERS DISCLAIMER FOR ALL SOLD OUT SHOWS "CHECK BACK LATER, AS WE WILL RELEASE SOME TICKETS." ?

YOU DIG, YOU STUPID FUCKING IDIOT--QUIT POSTING THE SAME STUPID FUCKING LIES ON THE BOARD, AND TAKE YOUR CUCKOLD-WANNABE STRATEGIES TO THE FUCKING DICK ENHANCING CHAT ROOM!! ?

PLEASE LOCK AND DELETE THESE STUPID FUCKIN THREADS!!! ?HERE IS THE LINK TO THE EARLIER DISCUSSION JACKASS.

I DO KNOW THE RULES MODERATORS, BUT TODAY (WHAT, TEN SPAMMERS KEEP PUTTING THE SAME POST UP UNDER DIFFERENT USERNAMES), AND THIS POST, SHOULD BE AN EXCEPTION.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=35502.0

I think you better calm down!!!!!!! Anyone with half a brain knows this tour is DOOMED with no CD, no single, and no promo. Remember 2002? Nothing is different. These are not big euro festivals with 15 bands for people to see, and GnR just happened to be 1 of them, this is a tour with GnR as the main act? We have already seen this show!

Ya know what?? I am going to three fucking shows, and I'm VERY FUCKING happy that they're playing. They are playing, making fans that GO SEE THEM happy!!! ?Who are you to bitch about their marketing techniques? ?Yeah, sure, they could use some more promotion, so WHY DON'T YOU GO PROMOTE THEM THEN!! ?It's not our place to question what management is doing, we can't do jack shit about it, so quit bitching and be happy something is happening...



OK, forget all I just said......foregt it all, and answer me this one single question.......What would you rather have? A year where we hear ABSOLUTLY NOTHING about the band? OR a year where they're out there playing shows for the fans?? ?Answer me that truthfully.

Everything is different than 2002, and really just because you keep saying something, does not mean it's true. ?What's next today (you seem to be hinting at it), another wannabe who was not at any of the shows complaining about the setlist. ?Where do you leeches and cockroaches come from? ?Really, do you get off on spreading total lies on these websites, in hope the Blabbermouth or someone will report it? ?Do you get off on ripping a band? ?Get a life, quickly, and then get a brain! ?

We just had quite a few years where we heard NOTHING and I am just as happy and excited as you are to be able to see my fav band again-

I cannot believe these threads exist. ?

Is there someone posting on here that is some kind of marketing executive because if you aren't then you aren't really qualified to speculate on what GNR or their management is doing.

You guys are supposed to be fans and we wind up with threads like this saying shows are not sold out, there are too many shows, etc....

I just do NOT get it!

Ticketmaster does reserve some tickets, then usually releases them right before the show.  Mezz1 at the Hammerstein all of a sudden became available like 3 or 4 days before the show.  However I dont expect GNR to sell out, no promotion, no album .... I think the time is definitely right, Axl said this year, so we'll see, however in the mean time if GNR plays a show near me, you better believe I'll be there, for nothing else it could be for the last time, you just never know with this band.

I dont get it either Bandita...I just don't understand it....These people really do need to get a fucking life, but ya know what? I know that both you and I will be at the Vegas shows rocking the fuck out to the greatest band in the world, in three days!! ?So fuck all these people, we're gonna go have a fucking great time!! :)

GNR are on fucking tour, coming to a region near you---this year!!!? ?Check out Appetite for Collection to get a taste of the sonic onslaught!!!? GNR's last four shows in the US were SOLD OUT!!!? In Europe, they averaged over 20,000 in attendance per show!!? The upcoming tour, JUST announced, already has four SOLD OUT SHOWS, and two more are going to be SOLD OUT in the next few weeks!!? GNR just announced five more concert dates, and are in the process of announcing more dates!!!? In addition, Chinese Democracy is coming out this year, and the band is better live than ever!!!

GNR will shake your ASS all fucking night, like a banshee on Red Bull!!!? Go see them live--in a city near you!!  And to all those opposed, WELL???

the fact that you had already seen titanic didnt stop you from watching it 5 more times.

Amen brother!!  I live in Kentucky but I'm traveling to see GN'R in TENN, just like I Vegas and New York..yeah you can go ahead and call me a diehard.  I just need to get a hold of this presale password!!  Can't wait...GN'R 2006 baby!

I dont think anyone who goes to see GNR live will care about promotion, new album, or it being sold out.  All they care about is seeing a great fucking rock show.  I mean we debate about all the issues with this band, but when i saw them in may, nothing else mattered the day of the concert.  the only thing that counted was we were goign to see Guns N Roses ! Axl said this year, so lets see if he keeps his word, in the mean time, dont worry about the things you cant control, like selling out, or releasing the CD, all we can control is whether or not we go see them, and thats not so bad

and two more are going to be SOLD OUT in the next few weeks!!

Could you be more specific as to what cities? Also are they predicted to be sold out
on the concert dates (when a lot of people just show up to buy a ticket) or before?

Wrong! I already knew the ending and NEVER seen it.

Well, I would imagine both Vegas shows will be sold out by showtime, the Inland Invasion with Guns n' Roses (that is what the tickets say) has sold over 40,000 tickets--I think the venue holds what 46,834, and I have it on good word that a few of the arena shows have sold (like the Europe dates, where one could not tell on Ticketslasher) far better than anyone knows!!!  I will say this, at least one of the California arenas is going to be close to a sell out by showtime ;)

GNR, are only going to get bigger, and bigger this year!!!  They have done a great job making sure the fans, who have been through hell and highwater supporting, are getting the tickets to these early shows!!!   One can only imagine, just how "hype" they are going to be in the very near future!!!

I will see u in TN!

Im gonna wear on HTGTH Shirt so Ill be recognizable!

I am going to TN, most likely, as well!!!  GNFR 2006!!!!   Just wait until the detractors are hit in the face with the wall of sound this band puts out live!!!!  : ok:

Thank you finally for a positive thread! :beer:

Lets get excited people! ?Enough with the negative BS!

What are you talking about? What am I hinting at? What are you drinking? I have seen gnr 5 times starting in 88 and yes in 2002. I LOVE them, how am I ripping on them? Wannabe? Lets compare our cd's and memorabelia (how ever that is spelled). I know you wont come close. But as a fan, I have a right to an opinion. This tour failed in 2002. FACT!!!!!!! Most people on these boards are in agreement that it makes no sense to do it all over all wrong again.!

Umm, I would hope so being that it is a part of history and not just a movie. :drool:

What, so now your a bigger fan if you have more Gn'R stuff?? ?I'm sorry I didn't realize that's how it worked. I don't have much money, therefore I don't have that much Gn'R stuff, so I guess I can't call myself a fan..............listen to yourself you fool....the tour failed in 2002 cause only half the dates were played, FACT! Oh, and you didn't answer my question you idiot....So what would you rather have? A year of NOTHING or being able to go see your favorite band live? Answer me that you FAN

I look forward to fianlly meeting some of you in Vegas...will any of you be there Saturday night?  I would expect this show to be sold out by Sat.

I cant wait till they come to the North East. I'm going to as many shows as possible.

The Saturday show is officially SOLD OUT!!!  They just released the anti-scalper hold back tickets today!!

I wish I was in Vegas this Sat.  It's my 38th bday.

Oh well...I have Sacramento and San Diego and Tampa to look forward to.

Dude! Why are you so mad? Listen, I dont care how much money you have, or what you do. We share a passion for a great band. All I am saying is this: If axl wants to continue to play old songs and do nothing new, than at least let the guys who deserve credit for the old songs come along and play. You are correct, only half of the tour was played. But why? I think this band has tons of potential, but we keep seeing new band, old music? I just didnt like the fact that you assumed I was here spamming or not supporting, cause that is not the case at all. It gets frustrating (at least to me) that they just cant be like every other band (yes, even like the old band). Put out a single, release cd, then support it with a tour. That is really all I am saying. You can at least agree that is a smart way to do things? People keep using examples of motley crue, or poison touring with nothing new. The difference is that it is the original line up. That is a reason to see them (for the memories). Like in 2002, I just wanted to hear axl sing my favorite songs live again. But now, I want to see this new band do new things. We are all on the same team here man, we love gnr and support axl, and want to see him succeed

Thank god!!!  AMEN!!!  Positive comments!!!  Cheers to all who are looking forward to some GNR this summer and fall!!  This will be one hell of a close-out to 2006!!!!  I'll be at the show in Tampa!

true that the shows arent sold out :-X ticketmaster does say it realses more tickets when the events get closer. :yes:

It does indeed make you wonder how much longer they can keep going with absolute silence regarding the album. September is already starting to wither away...we're almost halfway through...that leaves October and November...late November is the absolute latest that album could possibly come out, they'd be committing financial suicide by releasing it at any point in December.

Check the GNR on Tour Section we have pre-parties planned :beer:

Ticketmaster dumps tickets back in as the show nears. Ive already bought tickets to sold out events the day before. It works every time.

                     I've bought wrestling tickets off Ticketmaster and yes they do hold some tickets back. Tours this year hasn't been that good as the Dixie Chicks had to cancel 14 shows and redo their tour this year.

                      Heres the thing to the naysayers....if the tour was selling badly , they wouldn't be adding dates to it.

I wonder where the next wave of shows are going to be???  :hihi:

All I know is this, when GNR are playing, it is a freakin mad party!!!   :beer: 

This US leg is going to get better and better as it progresses!!!

Can't wait for NY shows!  Presale? (Please?)

Yeah D....its gonna be good man.  I'll have to find ya somewhere...any idea on how to get FRONT row seats or as close as possible?  I guess that's what the 75.00 tickets are for right?

Aside from the TINY Joint and Warfield venues, of which only 3 of 4 shows have sold out, there are PLENTY of seats left!

of course any1 who is going to the shows will be very happy with the show and setlist. Thats not the point. The point is most of us want this band to move foward and to move on from that. It was the right thing to do back in 02. But whats the point of this band and album if we are never gonna hear it and see them play it live.


I could careless about ticket sales, etc but i mean enough is enough. Lets get the ball rolling. if the timing isnt right now...when will it be?

jesus, how do you guys have the time to have the same arguements all day everyday.

ill be honest, i only read the first few posts and then jumped to the end, i just couldnt take it.

the bands playing, be happy.

if it fails, oh well. its a band, there are other things out there. you guys have to calm down and roll with it.

i used to come here everyday and talk about music and stuff, but now this place is just turning into a real tabloid trash type cesspool. axl's got enough people out there trying to bring him down. i thought you were fans, try standing in his corner.

damn it.

reguardless, i hope they come close to phily. i plan to bring an entourage of guns fans, new, old, and anywhere in between.

It's great that he's on the road again. But I think a lot of people are content with no album. Is it so wrong to hope for a "logical" release soon as a fan who has confidence in Axl's ability to put out great music?

They were sold out, they released more so ppl wont have to buy scalper tix

to D and grog mug i too live in kentucky and will be driving down to see Guns! hopefully will see some fellow kentuckians there : ok:

Probably DC

I think you better calm down!!!!!!! Anyone with half a brain knows this tour is DOOMED with no CD, no single, and no promo. Remember 2002? Nothing is different. These are not big euro festivals with 15 bands for people to see, and GnR just happened to be 1 of them, this is a tour with GnR as the main act? We have already seen this show!

Its hardly doomed - they are still a huge name, with huge songs and with the "rock revival" still going strong - you can bet your ass that there is a whole new generation of people who were too young in even 2002 to have gone to their few gigs then who will go now, as well as the curious and the die-hards.

Enough with the "big euro festivals with 15 bands" etc - check the UK/Euro tour dates, there weren't that many festivals man, it was mostly a Gn'R TOUR with one/two lamentable, ('cept for Seb) supports.   We've heard more from Axl regarding CD in 2006 than we have in years.

considering US gigs are likely to get a smattering of new songs that you didnt hear in 2002 - you should be happy and excited.

Axl: It varies, sometimes four to six new songs. Maybe seven. Umm, right now, and that'll grow as we beging touring. More songs, or new songs.

Axl on KROQ in August 2006.


/jarmo

Whether the sell out is not an issue for me. I'm just grateful they are playing. I'd like the band to do well on this tour, somehow I don't think that will be a problem, this is GNR we are talking about! There are more fans than you think.

Oh yeah..... because ummm, GNR have toured all the time over the past 10 years  ::)

Who is this "we" you speak of? Are you in the band these days?

Once they kick ass in Vegas, and at the Warfield shows the momemtum will begin to build, and this tour is going to get more and more fun!!  I can't wait for more shows to be added!!!  Hopefully a few more club dates!! :yes:

if you want real pic of selling tour,go to www.billboard.biz , register there and go to boxscore chart and you will know how many tickets gnr sell

since they don't have an album out, they need to make som great shows in order to start selling out arenas. So once the american fans spread the word things will go crazy, i know thats optimistic but come on lets be happy thier touring.

The majority of the people going to the shows dont know about these songs.
Secondly and more importantly....If they continue to play more new songs then the album wont even be a surprise because we will have heard more than half the songs. Is that what we all envisioned way back when? I know I didnt. I wanted to hear this album without already knowing the majority of the songs.

They are about to embark on another tour. If Axl hasnt finished it yet, then we wont be getting the album this yr. Maybe a single but who knows. I hate being this negative but it just sux because it just seems like he doesnt wanna release it. Unless theres some big surprise announcement or some new way they are gonna promote this album why the hell has Axl been very a matter of fact when mentioning the album release? Shouldnt he be excited and firm? Why, "yea at the end of the year"...wtf....
im guessing that if he is releasing it this yr he wants to keep it as tight lipped as possible so that they can make a big formal announcement.

If there is no news from now till id say mid October....then bring on spring of 07...and then summer...and then fall

You asked what the point of the band is if they won't release the album and play the new songs live.

I gave you an answer that indicates they will play the new songs live.

But that's not good either?  ::)


I bet Axl meant there'll be more new songs once the album is out or close to being out.....



/jarmo

Yea they are playing some new songs live. But if they continue to play more new songs they the album wont be a surprise.

Im sure thats what he meant too. Which gives m hope that he is actually serious about releasing the album before the end of the year. Otherwise it wouldnt make sense to emabark on another tour without an album..

my only point is that its time for this band to move in its own direction. Of course any1 attending these shows will have probably seen the best concert of there life. You cant go wrong with this setlist there playing. But with that being said its time for the new chapter of GNR. And that doesnt even mean they have to ditch the old set. They can Play a CD set while still incorporating some of the classics.

Jarmo, the time for blindly defending Axl's every word has passed. ?Put up or shut up. ?So far, he has only put up (depending on what shows you went to) what was leaked anyway. ?How many times has he said the album is coming out? ?Didn't someone say the album would be out by summer time? ?Now we are in fall. ?Now there is no promotion for this tour.. They should have already announced every city they are coming to so that it would build excitement and anticipation. ?Not a random date every few days. ?There is zero talk about GNR in the US. ?Period. ?No album. Talk. ?I hope Axl isn't just milking this GNR thing for every nickel he can get just because he is too scared to release his masterpiece. ?I mean, he has been touring under the assumption of a new album for the last 6 years.... ?Isn't that kind of disturbing? ?Does anyone other then myself almost consider that unethical? ?My God, There have been probably 100 shows with the new lineup and not one of them is in support of a new album.. ?I don't think and album is coming out anytime soon... Why should he? ?He can always just tour Europe and make millions....

Younggunner, I am with you on this....  We all know that the shows are bad ass..  But if I see them again, it will be the 4th time seeing the same thing... And I will have a good time, but when will this band ever shine.....  What are Axl's real intentions?  How much cash do you think he is making right now off touring?  We just don't know Axl's True desire anymore..  I just don't think he really wants "it" anymore... I think he is happy with just touring and making some money every few years...

Oh for fuck's sake.

Poor little baby. "Somebody" told you the album was coming in the summer.

Axl himself said "this year".

Time after time after time the whiners keep going on and on about stuff said in the past even though there's more recent interviews. Aren't you gonna bring up something he said in 2002 now?



Nobody's forcing any of you fucking whiners to be here. If being a GN'R fan is that stressful (they play the wrong songs, they play too many shows, they don't say this at that time, they won't play this awards show, they won't do that), why don't you just leave and concentrate on something that makes you happy? I personally couldn't be a fan of a band that makes me feel so negative all the fucking time. How the hell do you manage?

Plenty of us are excited that GN'R are touring and excited about playing in front of their fans. We remember 1995, 1997, 1998 or 2003. Seems like many of you don't!

To some of you the most exciting year in the band's history since 1993 isn't good enough. No, you want them to be on time, play the songs you want them to play, you want certain people in the band, you want them to be cool...


Why don't you write your wishlist to Santa Axl and post it in the Dead Horse section. Name the thread "My dream GN'R world" by Smoking Guns. Maybe then you and the rest of the whiners can move into that thread and spend your days dreaming of that reunion fantasy and all those albums they should've released to make you happy. You know, the albums with your songs on them so you'd know they're good enough for you.

After all, we know the idea of an artist is to supply people with what the people want. To hell with the idea of creating something that you believe in and makes you proud.....




/jarmo

Jarmo gettin' feisty :beer: Guys and gals, I think it is time to quit the debating and petty grievances. It is pretty clear that Axl is going to do what he wants-when he wants. I don't agree with everything he does but it is useless to argue. He is a big boy and will be held responsible for whatever happens. It looks like this is a huge tour so let's just roll with it and let the chips fall where they may. Hopefully, one of them falls in Hotlanta! :peace:

ARGH, for the second time, Ticketmaster doesn't release "anti-scalper" tickets!!!  but they do release extra tickets once the stage is in and they can see what 'extra' seats can now be sold that have at least some view.  The released seats are usually on the side of the stage or, in some cases, right in front of the stage.  but it has nothing to do with scalpers.

Wasn't that somebody Axl? ?Wasn't he the one that said the album should be out in summer? ?Or was that Mr. Merk? ?Jarmo, why do you jump down my throat for stating an opinion the majority feel. ?If you "read" my two posts, you will see that I will be at the shows.. I want what is best for GNR, you my friend, beleive in letting everything happen they way Axl wants it too. ?If that were the case you may still be waiting on UYI... ?Like I have said before, Guns N Roses need a head coach, a leader... Right now all they have is Terrell Owens - Axl Rose.. ?He is not really a leader right now. ?He doesn't seem to have any "plan" or clue as to what the fuck is going on. ?But, I think that is where he is genius.... He has saps like us that will beleive whatever the fuck he says as he blames everyone else for his fucking problems... I know you call him an Artist, so do what artists do and put out some god damn art. ?This Sisteen Chappel was painted in less time then this god damn album. ?Now you tell me which one is the masterpiece. ?So shut the fuck up. ?The time is now. ?This is his moment. ?His handlers are fucking worse then Mike Tyson's. ?For fucks sake, I am sick of the god damn excuses and for being pinned a whiner or a hater. ?I am a fan, a fucking fan. ?That cares a lot for the name GNR and I realize it is bigger then anyone one person. ?I want GNR to be the best it can be.. Don't you? ?Sometimes what you are doing may actually be wrong. ?Maybe it is time for Axl to change... ?Make and adjustment. ?He is not perfect. ?I hope the album comes out... ?But to beleive it is coming out soon is foolish until more information states otherwise.

To some of you the most exciting year in the band's history since 1993 isn't good enough. No, you want them to be on time, play the songs you want them to play, you want certain people in the band, you want them to be cool...





/jarmo

Oh give me a fucking break....  You said that in 2002 and 2001... Quit beating a dead horse...  Every year GNR plays is the most exciting since 1993... How can't it be?  What a stupid comment...  I can't beleive you attacked so bad. I guess you can, its your forum.. Heaven forbid a disagreement..  Fuck me.

Don't you see? That's what Axl is doing. That's why you don't have an album yet. ?:hihi:

Ha! Good one..  This thread is tired... Lock this one up... 

No keep it open....good scuffle going on here.....and to add fuel to the fire....Go LSU! ;D

Fuck this!!  Those LSU you going down this weekend!  Nothing will stop the National Title Run Auburn is going to try and make only to go undefeated and by shut out by Ohio St. and USC again.. Fuck!  SEC has no luck.  I will be at the game.. Will you madgas?

No...I went to UGA. Auburn's been a thorn in our ass lately. : ok:

Axl said "fall" on radio in May and then he said "this year" on MTV in August.
 ?



You, and others like you, seem to care only to the point where it's good for you. Regarding if that's what the band members themselves want. What's good for GN'R is fine as long as it's the same thing that's good for you...

Yes, I believe in an artist's right to decide when he/she wants the public to hear/see their art.

If Axl, or any other artists, thinks this isn't the time, I respect that.



You've heard him confirm the plan to release the album this year just two weeks ago, and yet you keep whining. You won't even try to be optimistic.

What happens when they announce the release date? Maybe it'll be the wrong day.... Maybe the album will have too few tracks? Maybe the cover art will suck... ::)




/jarmo

Jarmo, it is fall now.. Fall is Sept, Oct., Nov.....  It is here.  So should be soon.  Just haven't seen any promotion yet.  There is not a definate date yet, still may be end of year, I really don't think he knows yet.  GNR doesn't apply to me, but it is sad to watch him miss one opportunity after another... I feel his manager is partly to blame for a lot of this because he doesn't advise him really well.  I want nothing but great things for GNR, does everything look great to you with your rose colored lenses on?  I mean really?  Slow ticket sales, no word of album, no new song on radio, same setlist almost from 2002....  In 1991, promotion was huge with YCBM Video and lead up tour to a release... Not the same vibe.  If I am his manager, I am putting Axl in the right places at the right time to make GNR successful again.  You see, you, nor I, know what Axl wants.  So for us to speculate on that is foolish.  But we all know what we want.  I won't complain one bit when the album comes out...  I will be so excited.  You see, I don't have an "agenda" like you claim by saying what they want is fine as long as "I" want it.  That is not true.  Its obvious the members want the album out, or they would not have been talking about it for the past 6 years..  They are so proud of the contributions.  We all know its not about what Robin, or Richard wants... It is all up to Axl.  Everything.  He just makes a lot of dumbass decisions in regard to how he handles his own band... They are still a band yes, but things could be a lot better now...  You know it and I know it...

The attitudes of some people!!!  Just plain strange!!!  I don't understand how fans can simply demand things from artists.  The artist creates something (a song, a book...) and gives it to the public.  Its a gift.. Don't take it for granted.  But people just WANT and WANT and WANT....  I hope Axl takes as long as he wants... Hell, the public WAITED 30 YEARS for Brian Wilson to release SMILE...  Wilson released it when he felt it was done.  I don't care if it takes another decade for CD to come out...  The myth is now a part of ROCK LEGEND...  There is nothing else like it...  It would almost be a dissapointment if the album did come out, good or bad.  There is a lot on Axl's shoulders as an artist concerning this album.  Why can't people just wait...  This is his GIFT to us as fans...  HE DOESN'T OWE YOU ANYTHING... He will release it when its done.  I do want to hear this album, but only when its done...  I don't care how long it takes...  I'm not blindly following Axl... I'm defending ALL ARTISTS out there who are taken for granted and are attacked by greedy and unappreciative "fans"...

I think that jarmo is totally right!
People come here and talking about stupid things?
I exceot in future,people will come here and talkning about(how axl have a bad teeth,or  something else)
Fuckers,just watching rar show,and everything else is so vlear

this new band are perfect band

So because it's September 14th, it's time to get pessimistic about the release?

He said "this year". You could include December in your list of months.  : ok:


I think we're closer to a release than we've been before. But I'm not obsessed about it. Instead I'm looking forward to reading the reviews from people going to Vegas this weekend.




/jarmo

Yeah no shit!!!....Saturday is the first warmup show people...and then it is going to snowball from there.....get pumped up...not bummed out....  :peace:

Me too.. I feel it is close as well.. ?I am getting excited.. ? : ok:

Do we feel the album is done, or still finishing touches? ?Just curious.

I feel exciting too

I except south america stadium tour in the begining of 2007,and after that big european and usa tour in 2007 (stadiums or arenas,depends of sucess,but who fuckin care)

I love these posts that claim "Axl doesn't have a plan"

LOL, how do YOU know what Axl is thinking? What magical powers you must have, it is really something to behold. The bottom line is that you don't know what Axl and his camp are thinking and never have. If you are not happy with how you perceive his "plan" to be unfolding then why are you even here?

I don't care what the guys plan is. All I know is that while you crybabies are grabassing it here on the MB I will get to see my favorite band 4 times this year.

No we may not know what the current plan is now, or ever was, at any point in the past 10-12 years. But it is very fair to speculate that unrevealed plans have gone awry over the years. More and more money being thrown into the project, countless producer and player changes (most that don't come back, some that do), etc.

This is why the "It'll be out this year" comment means very little to me. It sounds like a vague plan. But something could go wrong. If it comes out, great.

Many thought in 2002 things were close. We now know that Axl felt pressured by whoever and didn't want to be out there back then. (I don't know how as a fan I would feel about something like that if I had gone to a show or two, but I digress).

At least this time around he seems to be happier to be on the road again, for whatever worth that is.

awesome, and well put.

this guy technically doesnt owe any of us anything. so he said hes working on a new album, so he said he'll put one out. he doesnt owe anything to anyone but the record companies that paid to produce said album. everything else is up to him. you ar e the one choosing to be a fan (or fanatic if its causing stress), your the guys who are making being a fan hard for yourselves, but your blaiming someone else for it?

you want new songs? listen to the leaks. you want them to play on time? go download a video and watch it when ever you want. 

i know ill enjoy my spot in the front row when they come to town.

I know my days of running around North America are done.  If he comes to London Ontario?  I would go see him again.  No more States for me!  :nervous: :confused:

Yeah, you people are so demanding!  Jeez, what unreasonable demand are you going to ask next? Are you going to demand him to finish shows too?  Ingrates!  You are lucky to be in His presence at all.

Imagine, you can't be home by eleven at night. Oh shit...

It's not the movies you're going to you know. It's a rock concert.


A lot of people only get to see one show on the tour, and they still complain about it ending late. One night of the year something doesn't go according to their plan....


Hey, how do you feel about the fact that they played a show at 4am? Too late?  :hihi:



/jarmo

I am only going to get to see them once, because my college books wiped me out financially.  But if I get home at 6 AM, I won't care, it's only for one night.  I'm just glad I get to see them, and if I could, I would take several sleepless nights.  You won't hear me bitching about a late start.  More time to get to chill with MB pals.

Agreed!   : ok:  Rock on Jarmo, that was awesome and so to the point.  Sums up exactly how I feel (and I would guess the majority of people here as well).   The whiners remind me of those guys who are still crying about their ex-girlfriends from 5 years ago...GET OVER IT! 

I dont maybe its just im too big a fan but ive driven home from 5 concerts all finishing at around the 12 - 1  mark journeys vary from 1 - 3 hours ive slept in an airport ive slept in the back seat of a car and not once did i think shit Axls late i was living for the moment of seeing Guns N Fucking Roses playing again what the fuck does it matter what time they are on stage its them there i want to do it all over again and the ones of you moaning i bet most didnt even go to a show. Shit if a show finished at 3 i would not moan 

Hanna Hat, I see how it is...  I thought we were tight... Ha..  Did nobody feel I had any good points in my posts?  I guess the dirt is the only that agrees with me... Ha.  Where is James Lofton?  I guess I am the only negative fuck around here.... 

Right.  This time last year we were talking about what color his drapes are.  Events such as a GN'R tour are very rare, so you make the most of it.  Sacrifices will be made, but in the end, it's all good.

Busy picking out his outfit for the GN'R show he's attending?  :D




/jarmo

I feel the same way. If they play in Detroit and Grand Rapids (across the state) I'll go to both for sure. If they don't I'll probably hit at least Cleaveland or Chicago as well as here.

Lucky bastard am I. They are coming to an arena 10 minutes from my front door.   : ok:Somedays you are the windsheild, somedays you are the bug.

Dude, do you seriously think, having lived 2002, that Axl isn't going to release this album in the middle of a well-planned tour? I think not.

Hey Jarmo a while back I said some of these cry babies wouldn't be happy unless Axl personally walked the new CD over to their house and played it to them. Then somebody else wrote: Naw, they'd be pissed he didn't run it over.
Also, Axl said "late fall," so why the fuck is everyone thinking it's coming out so soon and then complaining. This is about to get as bad as the worth 120-something pages of BS speculation about what Axl would do at the VMAs when it was clearly stated what hs role would be.

Disclaimer: Even though this is my first post i have been a fan of this website since the vegas shows in winter 2000 and a guns fan in general since the eighties.

When i saw nobody supporting what smoking guns was saying, i felt i needed to reply.

Here is a timeline of all the times i dumbly felt Chinese Democracy was close to being released:

Early 1999: I hear reports that GNR are releasing a track on the End of Days soundtrack. I am extremely excited at the news.

Summer 1999: Rumors run rampant GNR will play Woodstock 1999. I am ecstatic, but it turned out to just be a rumor.

Fall 1999: Oh My God gets airplay on the radio and the soundtrack is released. I like what i hear and feel progress has been made on Chinese Democracy.

December 2000 - January 2001: GNR play Vegas and RNR. I get to hear new songs, see the new band I couldnt be happier. I am saying to myself this has got to be the year, why else would he come out of hiding.

December 2001: Well i guess the only reason he decided to play was to get some practice for the band another year of feeling close to a release but again nothing.

September 2002: I am completely shocked to see GNR at the MTV awards as i wasnt reading the boards much around that time. I rewound that performance a million times on my tivo and called all my friends, everyone was so excited. Even though he gave an interview afterwards saying that CD was not done I felt the release was closer than ever before(not 4+ more years away).

October 2002: Tour dates are announced with the headline Chinese Democracy Starts Now. I go insane excited at being able to see GNR live for the first time i quickly pick up tix for the Detroit & Cleveland shows. I am thinking to myself even though CD isnt released its going to be soon to follow on the heels of the tour.

November 2002: Awesome shows but half full venues (at the shows i attended), I couldnt believe it. The band hadnt toured the US in 9 years, you would think people would come out and see them. But still was thinking the album was closer than ever to being released.

2003: Nothing

2004: Nothing

2005: Nothing

2006: PLenty of action in the GNR camp. Axl doing interviews, performing all shows on the European tour. GNR getting ready to tour the US again. I couldnt be happier. Axl also gave a release date of "before the end of the year".

I am as excited as the next fan but, just because we are closer than ever it doesnt really mean anything because with Axl what is close?

P.S. I also agree to tour the US without an album or single is a bad idea. If they couldnt sell out most shows in 2002 after not touring for 9 years what makes this tour any different?

I'm with you:  it's not about us, it's about Him and his Greatness.  I'm with you: He can do no wrong.

If you have a TRUE but NEGATIVE thought of axl, it will not get a reply

The only difference I see from 2002 is that axl said he would do a tour but soon is not the word on the release

2006: fall, late fall but it will be out this year

It will be out this yr and if not early early next year, like the first couple weeks in january 07'.  but who cares really? i'm kinda numb at the whole thing,i just wanna go to some shows and enjoy the moment cuz it doesn't happen everyday. when cd comes, it comes. it's not about us, it's about axl, it always has.

Yeah, but all the stars are in alignment this time...  Our patience will pay off...