Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Axl Rose started out screeching about being ?just an urchin livin? under the street,? but in the thirteen years he?s been working on the oft-delayed album Chinese Democracy (at a price that?s exceeded $13 million), he?s had time to reflect on heavy-metal posturing. ?We thought we were so badass,? he said in the greenroom at the VMAs. ?Then N.W.A. came out rapping about this world where you walk out of your house and you get shot. It was just so clear what stupid little white-boy poseurs we were. It was like, ?All right, we can give up the act.? If you?re talking about which lifestyle is more hard-core, the one where you get shot always wins.? So what?s the holdup with Chinese Democracy, Axl? ?It?s not about being a control freak. It?s about being maybe smart enough to go, ?No, that?s a bad idea.? That?s all it?s about?keeping the ability to at least have a shot as opposed to something that?s just an obvious disaster. I want to make a good record. I don?t want to throw a brick. This cannot be Shaq at the free-throw line.? Rose promises the album will be released by the end of the year.

Source: http://www.newyorkmetro.com/news/intelligencer/20338/index.html

The one where you get shot always wins.

Thats funny.

Its almost like they asked him a different question than "Whats the hold up w/ CD"?

His seems to be answering a question more along the lines of how much influence did the other guys have?

?It?s not about being a control freak. It?s about being maybe smart enough to go, ?No, that?s a bad idea.? That?s all it?s about?keeping the ability to at least have a shot as opposed to something that?s just an obvious disaster. I want to make a good record. I don?t want to throw a brick. This cannot be Shaq at the free-throw line.?

I think he's being a little hard on himself. I don't know that I'd consider them 'posers'. I always looked at them as the real deal. What with lyrics like Mr. Brownstone & It's So Easy, pretty raw stuff. Myb he's referring a little to the One in a Million line..

I am sorry to argue, but I think you miss the point here... Anyway I don't want to say Axl ment this or Axl ment that, but I think it has nothing to do with One in a million  :peace:

GN'R lived it moreso than most of the metal bands back then. They climbed out of the gutter. I mean c'mon, they wrote their songs on empty pizza boxes, lived off of gravy and biscuits for weeks at a time, etc. They were as real as you can get for metal. But compared to folks coming out of Compton, etc., I can see what he means. It really doesn't compare that much.

How many bands who've been around for a while can go back to when they first started (and when they were probably under 25) and say they didn't blow everything out of proportion?

Such as being more extroverted, loud and colourful that what they really were?

Everyone has done it and the record buying public love it.

As I've got older I've been able to see through it a lot more, but when I was 12 and first heard 'Get In The Ring' it meant everything to me.

What does that mean?

Damn black people ruining it for us with their misery :hihi:

But seriously, I think Axl makes a good point. ?A band singing about how hard it is to have too much money for drugs and what a bitch it is to be dating supermodels, would lose alot of streetcred in that period. In some ways it was for the best that Gn'R didn't release anything then. Metallica did, and look at them now. Living on past glory and nostalgia, with no real impact. Not to say that Gn'R as of today got alot of that, but they atleast got a shot at it.

He's one of the best players in the world and would probably make the shot, but he could just aswell miss. Axl chooses to dunk instead.

What a stupid thing to say. Maybe behind the scene they weren't so hardcore as they made out to be, but to say they were all just "poseurs" is just trying to kill whatever reputation they had left and one of the things people loved them for.

I guess GNR would have been more real if they went around shooting everyone. Jeez ?::)


He means it can't be awful like Shaq the basketball player is at the freethrow line.

You're incorrect, "the dirt" is right with his assessment. Shaq is known as being one of the WORST free throw shooters in the NBA, hence the "hack a Shaq" strategy other teams use against him.lol

Raven

Stuff like this kind of gets to me too. It's like he hates their legacy here. If they were so full of shit he should stop playing the old songs entirely, if this is what he believes.

And this is not a case of "studio gangster" stuff. His words not mine. If this is what he really believes...

Ok, my bad :peace:

Don't really know shit about NBA, except that Shag is a legend, so I made what seemed a logical assesment. Well, whatever :rofl:

It's not about them being full of shit or acting as poseurs, it's about how their image would appear that way in the dramatic change in the musical scene at the time. He's doesn't hate what they did or stood for in the past, he's just telling things like they are. In terms of popular opinion.

Well, I do think that GN'R were the real deal when they started. The recordings on AFD are definitely the real deal as far as writing from bad experiences, etc. They were not rich guys at the time at all and they definitely weren't posers. But the UYI era of GN'R probably were posers. On the Eddie Trunk show earlier this year, Axl mentioned that the thought the filming of the UYI videos was cool but now he sees the concepts as corny and lame.

It may not be. I just see it as an attempt to ingratiate himself with the current music scene, no more no less.

He's just being honest. It's not a stupid thing to say at all. If that's what he believes then I respect his honesty and he certainly has a point, when he compares GnR to NWA. You guys seem to go round thinking Axl should do whatever he can to cement GnR's reputation for maximum publicity or whatever. But Axl doesn't care about his or the band's reputation. He's reflecting on the band's early years with honesty. I like VR but I cringe when they constantly say stuff like "we're the most dangerous band in the world" and "we are a high octane brand of rock n'roll" and stuff like that. I think Axl is refecting on the past with honesty and modesty, and its refreshing. I'd rather him say that than come out ;"Yeah, we were the most dangerous band in the world." At the end of the day he was there. You guys weren't. So for you to say that what he said is stupid even though you weren't there is rediculous.

I can't believe he said that. After getting on to bands like Poison back in the day for not living the life they said they were, and now calling the old band posers. What the fuck?
Does that mean aerosmith are posers too Axl? Or the Crue? comon!

It's a good thing he replaced all band members with people who never liked GNR to begin with.

I'm surprised how many people that misunderstands at totally harmless and insightfull comment. No wonder we got so much war and conflict in the world. ???

the dirts reply was funny.


and dissing shaq?! thats low considering shaq is gonna be on the record!

Care to explain what makes these comments so "insightfull"?

Hey that's right, eh!  :D

It has been explained by me and several other people in this thread. Read them again if you don't understand them. Maybe get a parent to explain them.

They weren't black in the ghetto shooting people, so they were posers.

For a guy who's band doen't have a niche anymore he's not doing himself any favours.

Why don't some understand?

Of course they were the real deal coming out of the gutter, but the way they behaved is like many other rock n' roll bands, especially from that era - strutting around, posing, kings of the world.

The only difference between Guns and some of the other bands is that their songs sang the truth about their lives, whereas others just wrote stuff out of bravado, and trying to be badass.

Axl's not talking about the music, he's talking about their attitudes - living off the reputation of been bad-asses, strutting around, etc, when guys like NWA had to deal with much worse.

Great to hear him talk with such clarity, and also talking like he thinks he is going to give this album/vband a good shot at being great.

@#$%Funker

So true. Playin' AFD and making this kind of statments is stupid. (It was more hardcore or genuine to sing a dozen love songs and make epic piano ballads? :-\ ) The NR video isn't about posing, is it?

 I really don't even understand why he said this (if not the journalist made up the whole thing). ?::)

Axl also said he just wants to "bury" AFD.

Now, I first meant that to mean that he wants to forget about AFD.

But, he actually meant he wants to surpass it with CD.


Kinda what he says here. ?He wants to focus on making the best record possible and not be labeled or remembered soley for old GNR.

That is my intrepretation of it anyway.

But who really cares. ?CD will be out soon.

That's an unreasonable simplification of the subject. But it is to some extent true, alot of people started considering them as poseurs at that time. It started with Nirvana and continued when gangsta rap took off. It's not any different then what Gn'R did to bands like Crue and posion a decade earlier. ?

And maybe your right about him not doing himself any favours, but come on, he's human. He can't be expected to act on all the right angles every hour of the day.

Playing AFD songs has nothing to do with what he was saying!

Duh!

The songs are true, and that still stands - he's talking about their attitudes - just because they went through this did not give them the right to go strutting around, thinking they were the baddest motherfuckers, that they had been through it all, when others had it worse.

@#$%Funker

I definitely agree, what was he thinking, no one has ever thought of guns n roses as poseurs, man dont blow your well deserved reputation :-X

It was his simplification, not mine.

No, that's semantics. It's all in the eye of the beholder, apparantly.

Sorry dude, I corrected ^^

I agree, it's a harmless comment. Think what Axl I is saying is that he's taken things a little overboard when he was younger, all that trouble making, arrests, acting like he was invincible...heard it mentioned a number of times on music shows that Guns got bloated and then self-destructed.
He's talking about himself..that's how he feels. He's not ripping his old bandmates or rock/metal bands back in the day.
Maybe some slight regret ...now that's he's older. C'mon guys don't make too much of his comment.

I realize this.

I am simply stating that Axl says a lot of things that make him misunderstood.

And take this thread for example.

Everyone is or has a different viewpoint on what he means.

That is what I was implying with my burying AFD comment.

no probs - I agree  : ok:, I was referring to people saying it's stupid to say something like this and play AFD songs.

@#$%Funker

yeah..hence where Double Talkin' Jive Mothefucker comes into play :hihi:

That's true.This place is turning into mygnr.forum. People shouldnt get so pissy

hard rock, never metal

I think Axl was talking about Slash being a poseur.  : ok: :hihi: :rofl:

I believe he is referring to what the band were all about. NWA themselves were not exactly from the streets and half of them lived in much nicer houses than a pre-success GN'R member. But N.W.A raised real issues about what was happening in LA that needed to be raised. Gun's were very honest about life on the streets for fucked up drunk sleezeballs and they oozed a rare rock n' roll credibility. Ultimately though, Axl Rose and Izzy Stardlin were writing about the lives they traveled all the way across America to live. Yes, the police did not get on with drug taking, unemployed rock n' roll kids in Hollywood, but that issue is nothing short of petty in comparison to what was going on in South Central. End of the day, if the streets were all that bad and Guns N' Roses never made it, they could have all got jobs and stopped sticking needles in their arms. Don't get me wrong, Appetite For Destruction is the most credible hard rock album until that date and the only 'hair metal' album of any significance. They were not making it up, that was their lives, the lives they chose to live. But the significantly more theatrical and easily dismissible N.W.A were ultimately addressing more pressing issues.

And as far as Chinese Democracy goes, this is can only be good news. Lyrically we can expect to avoid many of the cliches of past rock n' roll comebacks and look forward to Axl doing what made him special. You can't write songs about living a hard life on the streets when your a millionaire and in UYI we heard glimpses of Axl as a far more sophisticated lyricist not afraid to abandon the heavy expectations from a brainless army of leather clad fans. From what we heard with Better, Madagascar, TWAT and IRS we can expect the same.

Maybe he said it coz its true! And he's not saying they didn't live the life suggested in AFD, so there is nothing wrong with singing those songs. He just said they weren't as hardcore or dangerous as NWA. It was a very casual comment made in casual conversation. You guys read way too much into it. Obviously he doesn't live the life of AFD anymore but he still sings those songs because he's an entertainer and those songs are entertaining.

Thats the bit I like.

Amen bro, if Axl wants to be black, let him be black, but that's not gonna stop me from enjoying the record.  Thank you Axl for trying to give us the best product you can.  As fans, we certainly will appreciate it when we pop in the record in our stereos.  And hopefully you'll be like Reggie Miller at the line.  ;)

I get his point and why he said that and I don't think it's a stupid comment, he's being very honest about it.. but I think he's being a bit too hard on himself.. of course he would sing and have the attitude they had as a band cuz that's the lifestyle they were living, they weren't faking it, they experienced the things they talk about in their lyrics and they took the attitude from that environment, they didn't pose to be badass, they were.

Of course there's always life experiences that will always be worse and diminish whatever their lifestyle was and make it look frivolous in other eyes.. but that doesn't make it any less real for them that lived it.. and their attitude was also real, cuz it came from those places and that setting teached them to behave like that in some extent.

I don't know, there's a lot of worse escenarios you can grow up in.. but they lived the drug, street, sex, rock n' roll life and they were as real as you can get at that. And the attitude of badass comes with it, they weren't posing it.

maybe now when he look back in the years its seems to him that they where poseurs , couse it was so long ago  :-\

They were "white poseurs" 'cause hes trying to market a different band nowdays.

It's not that big of a deal and I think a lot of people are missing the gist of the comment.  He's pretty much saying that at that time they were ignorant to what was going on and thought they were a bunch of badasses.  Then he realized that maybe they weren't as big of badasses as they thought and maybe they didn't have it as bad as they thought.  It's not a big deal and he's not dissing anyone in the old band, he's just saying they were young and ignorant and thought they were a lot tougher and badder than they really were

looking back on the days of being pretty vacant?

I ought to say I come to have even higher opinion of his intelligence.

I haven't read all the posts so prolly I'm repeating what is already said but I think he's obviously referring to the "attitude" shit and not the music. There's always someone badder. :smoking: And there's no point in trying to be more dangerous as there's nothing wrong with being less unfortunate.
the word "poseur" used in self deprecation just shows both his modesty and his self esteem at the same time.


about the latter,  yes, I imagine. :P

it sounds to me like Axl has taken a step back and looked at himself and said, "I'm not going to be Axl, I'm going to be William."

Nice to see he addressed his stigma as a control freak. I found this small interview/article to be rather promising. i just wish someone would ask him, since we keep hearing about the album coming out this year, about when he's going to release a single or a video or something that involves making the album known. Granted, this is Chinese Democracy, and people know about it, but still

Where is this from  ??? How is it like an extended piece from the first post.

And why are the words wrong, blueroom instead of greenroom, CMA instead VMA, has this just been typed up?

That's what I got out of this. This is just proof to how much he has matured over the years. But I think he is being just a little too hard on himself.

he ranted about being tired of playing the rock n`roll dude in chicago 92...


 they thought they were badass and the most dangerous band in the late 80`s until they realised they were really lucky bastards in some way and that there were people less blessed out there for sure...

he doesn`t say they weren`t badass or how you call it, he just says people living in the ghetto had to go through MUCH more crap than they had to...   basically they all chose to live the way they did.. contrary to the people living "the lifestyle where you get shot"

Ummm I don't like how much he puts himself down.  but I get the point.  If you were Guns in '94 and tried to write a hardcore song during that period...  what would you write about?

(although calling themselves white-boy poseurs seems like a bad statement.  Maybe they would seem that way if they tried to release a new hardcore album, now that they would be compared to NWA)

rofl  :rofl: :rofl: that's bc shaq used to miss all the free-throw shots   :hihi:

No it's a secret message that Shaq freestyles over an insaine Buckethead solo during 'This I Love'. Idiot.  ;D


Seriously, I find modesty in 45 year old rock stars a little too rare. That's why most of them suck.

You know that he really did rap on a track once, eh?  :hihi:

Pretty much everything I've heard from the Trunk show on has given me the same feeling that you said. But I don't think he could ever be too hard on himself. The guy does have an extremely negative persona in the rock world at times.

Well, some members of the band (not including Axl) were in the studio and he wondered though and did a little improv. I'd be shocked if it ever sees the light of day! I'd always be up for some guest freestyling though (Shaq and the MTV cast of Hip-Hop Superstars excluded of course). But considering some fans can't handle something as shocking as a drum machine.. It wouldn't go down well! GN'R with Jurassic 5? Maybe.

He still does.   : ok:

I like that he used that to describe the long wait for the album.

Try looking at this rationally....

GnR: living on the streets of L.A., shooting heroin, no money, taking advantage of girls to get a meal once in awhile, basically living like homeless people lol

NWA: living in the ghetto of Compton, selling drugs to make money, risking being shot just going outside to get the mail, living right in the middle of things like racism, gang violence, domestic violence, etc.

Yeah, being a junkie rock band on the streets of L.A. was sooooooo much more hardcore.

I guess the discussion is not about which 'lifestyle' is more hardcore, since 'the one where you get shot always wins'.

But these sentences:

It was just so clear what stupid little white-boy poseurs we were. It was like, ?All right, we can give up the act.?

suggest that they were only acting the AFD lifestyle, they didn't really live that, they were poseurs. So now the whole early GN'R image turns out to be fake? A marketing move? Gimme a break.  ::)

I agree with you... i just think he was saying that in comparison  to those guys, they were posers. He didnt say nothing extraordinary.

Thats a little disapointing that he would say this about his former life style.  I really thought he lived the life. Izzy was said to be adrug dealer and they acted the part of the street smart big city white boys.  Now that he says they were only acting it gives me a different view of AFD.  I thought it was the real deal.  For me you dont have to get shot at to live a street life.  Its not like NWA were not poseurers themselves.  Ice Cube grew up middle class and Dr. Dre is called a poseur all the time but I really thought the old GNR was authentic.

i guess axl is looking at the past differently. as everyone does... that's just a part growing up/older.

The word 'poseur' is the teaser here. You can be ultra hard-core, but still be a poseur.

With all the success comes superstar fame & money, this ultimately will lead to a total lifestyle change. When you get the money you can easily forget your roots.

One week you have absolutely no money= walking or scrounging a ride to Denny's for biscuits and gravy. Next week you get the record deal and have more money than you know what to do with = no more Denny's its a limo to a 5 star restaurant for dinner, not forgetting the gorgeous model on your arm. The week before you were willing to fuck anything with a pulse...

I think the whole poseur thing relates alot more to GNR 91 onwards then anything prior.

You can easily lose the edge, Afterall would you change your lifestyle if you won the lottery?

Do you think that once NWA sold a million records they still risked their ass in Compton? Not a chance, they were living it up in the Hills.

If anyone has seen video footage of their old hangouts and apartments before they became famous you would see they did indeed live what they wrote about on AFD.  They wrote lyrics on napkins and scraps of paper thrown around Jack Daniels bottles and moved around like nomads staying from place to place.

But even when UYI came out, the songs were different, they were evolving.

This interview really says nothing more than that, that they are still evolving and Axl is not the same person he was in 1987.  He wants his music to be appreciated even though it is and will be different than what was done way back when.

You are all taking his words too literally.  He isn't saying anything that negative.  He is older and reflecting.  When Axl speaks honestly he generally causes controversy because he doesn't say what press or public may want to hear.  He says what he thinks. 

Yea i think this is about the illusion days, when they were multi millionaires living the high life, and still strutting around on stage performing 'i'm on the nightrain' when they werent exaclty on the nightrain anymore. They were on the expensive champainge. : ok:

Wonder what the rest of the original guys thinks of this comment.

Yeah, they were basically living like homeless, but they were doing it by choice.

Slash came from a moderately wealthy family, the rest of them *could* have gotten regular jobs, and lived normal lives.? It's not so easy when you grow up in the ghetto, for many young men, drug dealing and gang violence is the de facto standard.

Guns N' Roses was "living the life", but it was a life they chose, they could have stepped out whenever they wanted.

edit:  More to the point, the life they chose was the life of partying.. not violence.  And yeah, okay, it's hardcore in a sense, but it's not the same thing.

Just read this and stopped reading the rest of the posts. Is this true? Not saying I have a problem with this, but that is a trip.

If so, so what?


good call mate, damn good call.
People, Remember this thread?  ;D

GN'R vs. NWA: Who was the REAL most dangerous group in the world? (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=4715feadaec74cf41d726ab7b335b2a5&topic=20114.0)

I doubt that he just came up to the idea like yesterday as he matured.

I read somewhere in a very early interview, an episode to the effect that once they stole lumber (to renovate hellhouse?) and worried that they might be looked down by brutal jailbirds if arrested on that silly charge.

I reckon he's/ they've been aware that in the real world they were not the baddest but young pretty and stupid (yeah!) little white-boy "poseurs" from the very beggining.

not everyone knows it but everyone poses after a sort. even NWA.
Nothing wrong with it and again nothing wrong with being less unblessed.

Yes, it's true.

He wasn't saying that anything they lived/talked about wasn't real. He was saying that they thought they had it hard until they heard how hard some people really had it.

Sowhat if they could have goten real jobs, mohammed ali didnt have to be a boxer, and he's not a poser.

The way i see it the only way they were posers was if they said they were doing something they were not doing. But that never happened with guns n' roses.

And so what if NWA could get shot walkin outa the house, i live in a place were theoretically you could get shot for wearing the wrong kind of football shirt in the wrong place, at the wrong time. (northern ireland).

But im not gonna say im from 'the ghetto', and rap about it like an idiot.
NWA glamourised violence. period.

GNR and NWA both came from the streets of LA. GNR made millions and got out of the streets. NWA made millions & stayed in the streets. Who is the smarter band? If you have the means, move to where they dont shoot guns at you!

Axl is a little too hard on himself, I think.

Ice cube was in NWA, he's now making rated g movies.. definetley didnt stay in the streets..

my bad, can't say I have been following his career as of late......

I really don't  think it's a big deal.

didn't axl wear thongs and ass-less chaps?

didn't axl have his hair teased and wear make-up?

didn't axl change his image as AFD released in july, 87?

Just read the verses to Bad Apples and that pretty much sums up the lives GN'R were living in the UYI days, and probably a similar life to what Axl is living right now.

That's a bunch of bull, it doesn't matter where you live, you don't have to resort to violence and selling drugs to kids. It's not hardcore to be out there shooting each other, it's stupid. I think Axl just feels guilty now for being rich, but he shouldn't. He had it rough in LA, but he got through it, and it's good that he realizes he's lucky and blessed, but so is NWA. A lot of people have it rough, but they work hard, and eventually things get better. It's not Axl's fault that people from Compton don't have as good a attitude about it as he does. They really don't have it that bad themselves if they'd stop shooting each other.

Did you miss the point completely?

It isn't about if one lifestyle was in any way justified. It also wasn't about feeling quilty for being rich. It was as simple as this:

GNR thought they were just the baddest men on the planet for how bad they had it. Then when NWA came up and he saw how they lived, he realized they were far from living the worst life you can life.

Does it really matter?

I like NWA but actually GNR was living more on the streets preappetite than NWA was....ice cube was in COLLEGE for architecture during the straight outta compton days and before that he lived with his parents........Dre and Yella were DJs at clubs...I think Axls hardon for NWA contribted to the decline of GNR..

Eazy wuz a hardcore muthafucka... what was that playa doing befo' Straight Outta Compton" came out?  I ain't seen that brutha in a minute, sheeeeeeeeeeittt.  It's too bad that he had AIDS.  I liked him the most.

Exactly what it says, has had (plenty of) time to reflect on his career as one of Rocks biggest Icons living today.?


Possibly thinks that given his life style, those he mixed with (and I do mean Steve, Slash, Duff in the main) and having stayed clean(certainly in comparison to the others) what a fortunate escape he's had.? VR may or may not be a decent band (you decide) but the're not exactly pull up trees are they...? Axl hasn't released the album cos it isn't (or wasn't should I say) to his liking.? It's his ass on the line, it needs to good because the World at large are expecting it to be bad, if it is bad then the the "we hate to say we told you so" merchants will be peddling their message loud and clear.? The time taken is legendary, but it will be good, a classic even, with some tracks to come for a second, third and forth album.? There is a plan, the plan is to resurrect Axl Rose and Guns n Roses as the band he originally wanted it to be.? There won't be booze and drug driven performances, no non appearences and a genuine desire to complete shows, (look how he stuck with Donnington despite the early glitches).? The band has been labled by some as Axl and the session musicians,? he doesn't want that I think, but to ensure the creditablity of the other members they need recorded perfomances that have their names on,? AFD, UYI,SI,LE all have the work of the original members to compare with, the recorded music is the gauge on what they are being judged, not their own ability to perfom songs that they are recording, which I believe is happening.?

"We thought we were so badass," he said in the greenroom at the VMAs. "Then N.W.A. came out rapping about this world where you walk out of your house and you get shot. It was just so clear what stupid little white-boy poseurs we were. It was like, 'All right, we can give up the act.' If you're talking about which lifestyle is more hard-core, the one where you get shot always wins."

Hummmm, what a Joke Axl has become. Has to make fun of the old band to make himself look better to the MTV crowd. I wonder what he will say about himself in another 20 years... Its a joke that this man wasted so many, MANY hours of your peoples lives on this message board.

ALREADY POSTED.

its in another thread, thanks anyway

:killmyself:
another thread with the same thing

I rele dont know how anyone can have ANY respect for a man who has lied to them for this many years.

This article was already posted.  Please learn to use the search.

This is the main reason why mods can barely post because they are too busy moving stuff to where it belongs. >:(

I really don't know how your mother didn't decide to abort you as a fetus You're right, I agree with you.  ::)

Axl Rose has ALWAYS said he never liked the hair metal scene. This is nothing new. That's why we got the UYI records and that's why Slash and Duff left. Axl never was into that stuff and he wanted to distance himself from it.

I "rele" can't believe you can't spell "really."

And I really can't believe you think we care about your posts. Are you sad because you really believe Axl and Co. was more badass than NWA?  :hihi:

That's called a good old-fashioned BURN!  : ok:

now it's getting ridiculous though, are the VR boards really sending out soldiers like minneapolisnewsman said?? :hihi:

I really can't believe he joined a GNR fan forum just to post this.?

If you don't like the band why are you here?

Too much free time on your hands?


Yea it's Scott Weiland using 50 usernames, hahaha! :rofl:

^^^^ why abortions are legal.. stop posting here. fuck off.

why do u post then?
looks like ur wanting to waste time too

"I really can't believe he joined a GNR fan forum just to post this.?

If you don't like the band why are you here?

Too much free time on your hands?"


No, I've been here since 2000 or so. I've read many, many post on this forum. And I've finally given up all hopes. Back when I first joined everyone was about rock N roll, and how Axl was going to make this kick ass record. From there he hasnt done shit. I just feel bad for everyone here and wish that you could all see how much time your wasting on this pathetic man.

Well people, GNR are finally here, new tour dates, album out this year. And does anyone know about it? Hell no. Does anyone care? Hell no.                  Or wait, I am all wrong. I guess the last remaining 2000 some odd fans that hang around here care still

...You know he was talking about himself, also?

What he meant is that compared to N.W.A, who was 'getting shot' and whatnot, they were still hard-core and doing what they talked about on AFD, but they weren't as badass as they seemed. That's what "If you're talking about which lifestyle is more hard-core, the one where you get shot always wins" means...

Here's the door-

Don't let it hit you in the behind on the way out! :smoking:

Seriously bro... just go if you don't wanna be here. Bye.

Yeah, don't let it hit ya where the good lord split ya  :smoking:

So was NWA. If they think Compton is so bad, they should try living in Iraq for a while. Does it make them posers too because someone else has it worse? There's always somebody that has it worse than you.

no its alright, it can hit his ass...he's talking out of it so who cares.

Haha.... nice. Ya know, I honestly don't get some people. I read through that guys posts again just to see if there was actually any point and I was right the first time: there wasn't any. I really liked the "Axl has to use MTV" part.

Yeah. You're right. Axl "has to use MTV". Thats why he said it backstage, off camera, to a different reporter and it was never shown on MTV. Including the webcast that no one watches.

I didnt say "has to use MTV" I said he has to make himself look good to the MTV crowd. He was sucking up to MTV, (selling out?). Why would he say this about the old band? It doesnt make any sense, other than he wants the new MTV generation to like him... what a fuck. First everyone here says MTV and the people who like it are lame, and now your saying he is using MTV?

Read the last part of my post again. It was sarcastic. If Axl wanted to be liked by the MTV crowd he would've done alot more then just introducing The Killers. At the very least his comments would've been been made somewhere other then in the fashion I described.