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It seems to me that Axl and the boys are playing too many dates.

I don't see how they are going to come close to selling out these dates in Tampa, Jacksonville, Nashville and small cities such as this....I have NEVER HEARD OF ESTERO FL!!!!!

they should do 2 dates in FLorida... MAX...

Theya re going to end up not selling out thesse venues and then the press is going to turn on them and say look they cant sell out gigs... i think it will turn into bad press...

I think they should have stuck to major cities in the U.S.   until the album is out and hopefully doing well.


DOes anybodyelse agree?

Yup. And if this is to warm up for the album being released and another tour, I would have kept it smaller venues like they did in NY last May.

In a word,, no. I seriously doubt that GNR management knows less about this than you do.

No, I disagree. ?GNR needs to reach out to as many people as they can right now. ?It's a new band and everybody needs to know that! ?There starting from scratch really, kinda like they did in the 80's. ?Start small, play a lot, and then move onto bigger things. ? :beer:

As many people as possible need to hear this new band. ?They are doing the right thing. ?This is the best way to eventually sell out big arena's on there next US tour. ?

i agree with you. ?they should do this tour in 2 waves. ?one tour with all the big cities in n.a. and once the album is out and doing well, take on the smaller cities. ?they should try and make this tour something special and grand to attend. ?just my thoughts ?:peace:

We'll have to wait and see.

well, if they're going to small cities in FL...they should come to Iowa then  :peace:  ;D

Well, BOO-HOO Guns N' Roses is touring and they're playing lots of shows! This is so bad. :'(

I can't believe some people actually whine about this stuff, it's hard to believe you're fans.

im not claiming to know more than management.... but im just going on what i see... the US is not as accepting as this abnd as Europe is and the last US tour wasnt exactly a success.........

yeah is incredible!
they are playing a lot and is bad...

im sure they are not stupid.. if they are playing all those places.. there is a reason.. they have their numbers

Bitch bitch bitch.

For chrissake!

GN'R only play a few shows in USA -> "Why aren't they playing closer to me? ?:crying: "

GN'R play more shows in certain states -> "Why are they playing so many shows? They won't sell out! ?:crying: "


People who go to these shows will have a great time. It doesn't matter if it's sold out or not.

The people who stay at home and watch Youtube clips will miss out. Their fucking loss.

Remember that next time GN'R is touring and they only play one show per state in USA. ?:P



/jarmo

its a fucking observation and a VALID one. ?Its hard to believe you don't understand that. ?Basic economic principles tell you that the more you saturate a market with supply the DEMAND WILL DECREASE. ?It amazes me how many of you think with your hearts and not your heads. ?Jesus christ....

Stop worrying about ticket sales.

Why do I often feel like this board is full of record company executives and not fans?

"They should do this and they should do that".


Enjoy the fact that we have shows. Enjoy the fact that many people who can't afford to travel has the chance to see GN'R in their home town!



/jarmo

Jarmo to be honest I am not worried about ticket sales.  I really don't care in fact.  It just amazes me that people will shoot down a valid point without even giving it a thought.  That is what bothers me. 

What he said........ :yes:

Don't you think he'd complain if they played only one or two shows in Florida as well?

Imagine if all of these shows sold out in five minutes. It would be "they should add more shows in Florida" then.



/jarmo

This is fucking retarded. Announce all the tour dates and the album at once, like every other band. This tour is going to be a major fuck up if they start putting these tickets on sale without an announcement of the whole tour and the album. This is some slick marketing!!

And it amazes me how you don't think that all the business people involved with the planning of a tour like this haven't thought this through already - and so it's something we don't need to think about because we don't have the figures/business knowledge......

@#$%Funker

Ticket sales are important. If they are not good, the promoter will cancel the shows. Ticket sales do matter. I believe this was part of the problem with the 02 tour cancellation. I guarantee you the band cares about ticket sales. You can't see a show if it is cancelled. 8)

They did a tour in 2002 with fuck all promotion, and they just did a European tour where they announced dates in this fuck ass style. This is fast becoming a joke.

This whole debate is absolutely crazy!!  All of a sudden, we have a bunch of Economics majors bitching about suppy and demand, and that playing so many shows will saturate the market??? WTF!!!  They haven't had an actual North American tour in HOW MANY YEARS??  And now, when they tour in areas they haven't been to in a decade, people still bitch?  Who cares if all the shows don't SELL OUT...  That doesn't make the tour a failure!! Who cares if some local asshole reporter writes an article about a low turn-out or a crappy performance...  None of that matters.  None of that will make anyone care anymore or any less about GNR...  People will come around because of the music, not anything else. 

While i do agree that the marketing of this is weird, it's not my place to bitch, I'm happy as hell they're touring, hell, I wish I had enough cash to see every show. The management knows more about it than any of us, and they're doing this for a reason, a show doesn't have to sell out to turn a profit. While I would like to see every show sold out, they probably won't but who gives a shit, a lot of people are still gonna have one hell of a good time seeing this band, and thats all that matters.

If the shows don't sell well, the tour will get cancelled like the 2002 tour. That's why some of us care that tickets sell here.

I hope they saturate the Illinois area. ?Chicago, Rockford, Rosemont, Moline, Madison, and Milwaukee sound damn good to me. ?I'd go to each of those. ? :yes:

And you know for a fact that the 2002 tour got cancelled becuase fo ticket sales? Please, share this information with all of us, and the rest of the world for that matter

Can we lock this topic adminstrators? ?Many of the statements here are misleading, and quite ridiculous. ?I think many are going to be pleasantly surprised by attendance at the shows. ?

they played 11 shows in the UK (including dublin :nervous:) as far as i know....  3 shows in london alone...

and basically all of these shows were sold out or almost sold out...

so i`d take this as a good sign...   let them promote the shows a little, announce the release date, maybe even release a single and this should work in the states as well---

Who cares if they play a bunch of shows and they don't sell out.

Benefits will be:
1)Band gets more expierience together.
2)Band might decide to play more new songs or different songs because it may eventually get tired of the same setlist.
3)If the shows don't sell out radio might do promotion give-aways getting more people out to see Gnr, the band we love, thus leading to more interest for the album.
4)Axl is going to show for all the shows this time around, so it will strongly build back up his credibility with venues/ticket promoters.
5)Scalpers won't be able to screw over fans if they don't sell out.
6)No one will have to travel far to see gnr.

The press is going to bitch about Axl regardless, whether it sells out or not, they hate Axl for all the time he fucked them over by not granting interviews, not arriving on stage until 12pm, so the press reporter who HAS TO WRITE A CONCERT REVIEW gets fucked and has to stay out late, etc...

This tour will be a success. : ok:

Ticket sales didnt cancel the 2002 tour, ridiculous demands from Clear Channel did.

No one knows exactly why the 2002 tour got cancelled... Low tickets sales was one of the possibilities (but Axl alluded to other reasons which were never made public)...  Look, low ticket sales and not selling out every show are two TOTALLY different things.  Of course, IF every concert was met with low sales, shows MIGHT get cancelled...  But that has nothing to do with not SELLING OUT every concert.  That's why I say that even if they don't sell out every show, they can still have a very successful (and profitable) tour.

.... and the European tour kicked ass, and was a major success.... your point?

I say the more shows the better  : ok:

For all we know Guns are aiming at running some sort of record breaking huge long tour starting now, I hope so!

@#$%Funker

2002 wasnt a failure in economic stuff..
in proportion it grossed more money than Motley Crue and NIN last year
and GNR played 1/4 shows those bands played... witn no album and no promotion
it was like NIN and MC grossed for example like 50 million dollars and GNR 30 million...
i will try to find the rite numbers and show them

how much did they net?


believe me... he has no point...   he just cares for axl to say it in a positive way :hihi:

Why are you complaining? All those shows in Florida give people a greater chance to attend more than one.

I actually purchased 2 of the $10 tickets for the second show in Philly, so yes, that was a special deal if you were at the first show- I had first row on the side of the stage for the first night (just close enough to hear an usher tell the couple next to me from Rhode Island to "get out now if they want to stay alive" at about 9:45-- my seats for the second night were real good second level seats, like right on the other side of the stage. ?---

Also, there are like 5 different areas within and hour or two of philly that could be used as a substitute-- off the top of my head, Tweeter Center (enclosed, no lawn) in Camden, Wilkes Barre, Soveriegn Bank Arena in Trenton, East Rutherford in NJ, Boardwalk Hall in AC as well as any of the casinos (Borgata would be amazing), hell, they could even play State College (Penn State)'s Bryce Jordan Center. 

when gnr stop touring in a couple of years maybe, you people will regret that you even posted this stuff.

How cool is it to be able to see GNR in a medium size venue as opposed to in a big stadium? I for one like the smaller more frequent shows than the  one big regional show. More people will have a chance to see them closer to home. What the hell are people complaining about?

Europe had no problems with selling tickets, but i do hear those americans are alot more stubborn.but thats what i hear

they reckon over here you guys wont go see them untill they have an album out, i thought wtf???

thats ridiculous....isnt it???

That's odd, because they never ended up going on sale?!! ?

Americans, in the current political and cultural climate, have been dumbied down to the point that they don't know what good art or music is if it hit's them in the face. ?The new "bling/bling" generation (16-25) year olds for the most part are more concerned with their flashy cell phones and social status than they are developing their own soul and place in this world. ?That is a quick generalization, but it is this attitude that propels Paris Hilton to the top of the U.S. charts. ?Dylan, with a great album, did hit #1, but all the other stuff is what we witnessed on MTV VMA's. ?These young kids would not know what a great band is if it hit them in the ears. ? Really, for the most part, the U.S. is a country in decline, that can only be saved by a cultural awakening that rejects our current state of materialistic submission, and laziness when selecting our leaders. ?Look, no other country in the world would elect a bumbling idiot like Bush! ?

With that said, I think there is an underbelly of teenagers that are yearning for something real in their art and music. ?I also think, there are more GNR fans coming out of the closet in 2006 than did in 2002. ?Attendance is going to be pleasantly surprising to these shows.

I have been thinking this for some time..absolutely agree, sometimes i think its a joke

Pretty much, although the one thing you do have to consider is each state in US is almost comparible to one country in Europe. So for you overseas to say you sold out all your shows, they only played about 1 show per country, except UK (Which shockingly played 10 or 11 shows). Had GnR played 3 or 4 shows in Poland, Czech, Hungary, Finland, Italy etc, not sure they all would have sold out because not all ppl would have traveled across country when they could see them 2 days later 30 minutes from home.

Well what is the capacity at a lot of these venues?  I think they will do just fine in attendance.  Aren't these places smaller than the places in 02'?

That is quite funny. :rofl:

A lot of times Arena's or concert venues are just outside of a major city.  So a concert in Estero might encompass the Fort Meyers area, which to my knowledge is pretty big. 

i could be wrong, but i thought they did go on sale. they were handing out the flyers as you went into the show and there is a box office right at the arena....

back on topic, you also have to remember florida is a huge state. from tampa to jacksonville is 3 hours and from jacksonville to estero it is 5 hours. its not like they are playing shows right next to each other. be happy there is a tour.

I don't care really, this could be the last big gig for Axl for all we know.. (hopefully not!) so I say the more they play and the more people they reach out the best!!

I wasnt there, but yes as you went into and came out of the show flyers were handed out where you could purchase the tickets for $10 if you brought the flyer and your ticket stub from that night's show. 

That is a good point about the size of the state of Florida.  I myself always forget how big it is.  When I lived in North Carolina it took me 8 hours to drive home to New Jersey, and it takes that long to drive from Tallahasee to Miami. 

I couldnt agree more.

Jesus fucking christ your moaning because thy are playing too many shows what the fuck are you on i really cant believe i am reading that you must of made a mistake

i mean fuck they played 11 shows in England all the ones i went to had good attendence and how big is england

ive fucking read it all now i really have

thanks to the lame ass topic im going home

oh wait i am at home :rofl:

Great post Intensity :yes:....Fuckin' GREAT. : ok:....and fuckin' reality.. :peace:....forget about it..... 8)

I respect the point of discussion but I must say it doesn't make to much sense.

Man, I think it's so cool that they will be playing a lot of shows. Hell if it's got a bus station it should get a show, this will re-connect or connect the new GNR to it's new/old fans. They've got to play their asses off (not caring if its 3000 or 30000) that's how you get the respect from the general public and win over new fans. Last spring I went to Canada to visit my Parents who live outside of Calgary and I heard the Crue were playing in Red Deer, Man I Lost it! bought tickets rented a car and went (it was awsome, Rowdy Crowd). After I checked out the Crue's site and sh*t it was the second show in Red Deer in 2 weeks !! I don't want to turn this into a crue post but they played

Red Deer 2 times
Saskatoon
Regina
Prince George (for those of you who don't know man that is way up North, ?Bubblef*ckland)

They had already played all the major cities (including Calgary, Edmonton, Halifax etc. you get the picture)

I hate it when bands go on tour and for example in Canada's situation "Big Canadian tour" ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?              (Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver)

It would be the same if they picked the 10 major cities in the States and called it an ?"American Tour"

To me that's playing 10 random dates.  Anyway

You guys noticed how no special guests have been announced ? I wonder if they are waiting to see the reaction to announce "who" will be on the road with. I can't wait to see !

Enjoy the shows you lucky bastards....

I'll be waiting for the South Amercian tour ?
 ?

I love this board.  :rofl:

"Too many shows".

Axl can never win!

hahahahaha.....un-fuckin' believable......"when is gnr gonna tour?"....."wish they played more shows" .....down to "they are not promoting it right"....."too many shows for them now"......"It's not gonna work"

I couldn't agree with you more .

Is everyone here a marketing expert, and a music major? Why aren't you people out selling millions of albums and touring the world if you have the formula for success sussed out so completely? You all know what songs they should play, how they should promote the album, what the American audience is looking for, what is wrong/right with Axl's voice, personality and image, how many shows they should play at any place in the world(apparently), how Axl should introduce the band and thank the crowd for showing up(down to the exact script), and who should or shouldn't in the band. With that kind of knowledge the members of this board could rule the universe! ?::)

Do you guys think this is fucking "Field of Dreams"? List tour dates on the internet, and people will come from near and far, and fill up all these arenas. They need to get the word out that they're touring, that Chinese Democracy is coming out, and that this new band can play the fuck out of the old material.

I think a bigger question not being asked here is shouldn't there be a single coming out soon. Once a single gets played on the radio and casual fans hear it and hear the 'new' Guns N Roses, may prompt more casual rock fans to get into them and buy a ticket.


Of course, since I'm not not a marketing expert and music major, my theory is irrelevant and invalid. And Guns will sell as many tickets without a single as they would with..

Agreed and I have been saying this for MONTHS!!!!!

Anyone who thinks doing things this way is stupid, and the numbers in terms of ticket sales will prove that, now if they give us a release date and/or a single...EVERYTHING will change!

Guys', watch the Rock Am Ring performance, and then tell me they are booking too many gigs. ?This is the best live hard rock band on the planet, and at some point, even the "bling-blingers" are going to get it!!! ?Inland Invasion, if it is broadcast, is going to be a huge boost for the band!!! ?That is why, I wish at the least, the new management would have gathered together an hour of footage from Europe, and broadcast it on MTV or HBO--the live shows are proof of how great this band is!!! ?Build it, and they will come!! ?I do believe, in the long run, great shows will build momemtum.

That may come soon......I would love to just flip on the radio and hear a new GNR tune playing before I found out about it on the internet.....

Not saying it's invalid, and as long as you're presenting it as a "theory" I have no problem with it. It's the people with zero experience in the business or music that start talking like they have the solution to any problem that GNR has ever had that I can do without. All I'm saying is this- we can all make conjectures about what would be the best thing for GNR to do, and it's an entertaining way to spend some time. On the other hand, there people who are highly paid to work on this stuff 24/7 and whose careers are on the line. So, do you really think that a fan who thinks about it for 15-20 minutes a day knows more about it then any of these people, not the least of which being Axl Rose? I mean, you all profess to be huge fans - wouldn't you think that he might be as smart or smarter than you are, especially considering that he has been in the business of creating and promoting music for a little longer than most of us, and been quite successful at it?

You are incredibaly wrong if you think there will be as many tickets sold prior to any music being released as there would be if the music came out first.


All you moderators and big shits including Jarmo are missing the point of the thread.

I am not complaining that there will be all these shows... I hope Axl plays as many shows as he freakin wants... because we havent had the privlidge to see him much over the past 13 years or so.

I will go to as many shows as i possibaly can i hope they play MSG, Hammerstein, Nassau Coliseum, Jones Beach ,Albany and everywherelse in the Tri State Are.

but most of the people who go to larger venue shows are not Die Hards like us who spend our lives on these boards talking about and waiting for Axl

This is why I was stated i think its a mistake to book all these shows in small places without any new music first! Us die hards will love to see them anyway but others won't feel the same way. And it wouldnt be good for this band without Slash and Duff to play half empty shows....becasue then critics and reporters will say there ar empty seats becasue no Slash, Duff and then they will slam the music. and i dont think any of us want that

FOR GOD SAKE THE SECOND VEGAS SHOW DIDNT EVERN SELL OUT I BELIVE and that is a SMALLLLLL venue in a popular city


I hope that clears up my original post... and if you disagree with me then thats fine. But I AM NOT COMPLAINING!

People here don't care how good the band is. All they care about is that Slash isn't in the band, and it's just Axl touring under the GnR name. He really has to release a single and album pronto for this tour to have any chance at success.

In Jaeball's & others defense I think he is just trying to be pro-active, and look ahead. What if things went not as planned. But again, only what 3 shows have been announced so far, & 4 or 5 warm up shows..

As of yet none of us know how this tour will be scheduled, or marketed. Maybe it will work out, Axl said an Album will come out this year, so an release date could come within a few weeks, as could a single.

I don't blame whoever posted this, or accuse them of complaining, just think it was a little premature & jumping to conclusions as only 1 state has been announced so far. Who knows, myb after Fla they'll only do bigger cities. Then people in smaller cities will be having to travel 3-4 hours to a show. We'll see.

The UK and European tour pretty much sold out with no new material being released.

If the Americans are concerned that Guns can't sell out American venues, it merely strengthens my belief that the a lot of Americans have little or no clue when it comes to music and are brainwashed by the flavour of the week/month on MTV.

I live in New York and I am proud and happy to be an American but...I agree with you.....ages 15 - 25 don't know shit as far as music....not all of them but for the most part....P. DIDDY CAN BITE ME!!!!!...I'll whack that softy fucker out!!!!...The real good rappers hate him and make fun of him anyway....

At no point were theyy whining. Are you living in the real world? GNR isnt gonna sell out 4 shows in one state. half the fucking shows were half full in 2002. But, because someone points out something that isnt along the lines of "God Axl Rose is the 2nd coming of jesus christ" its horrible. Some of You mods are sooooooooooo sarcastic its unbelievable. That really was one of the stupidist things anyone has ever written here.

Why would a new album make peopele rush to the shows?

It's not like MTV would be playing the new video.... Unless it's in a reality show.? ;)


True, a new album would get the band some publicity, but would that make people buy tickets?



/jarmo

I think more people would hear the new music. It would get more exposure. And people skeptical of the new band would be more interested afterwards and go there at least to hear some of the cool new songs they liked off the album.

I do think releasing an album would greatly help them, but we'll see.

But by that logic every band who releases an album should be playing arenas.....  ;)


/jarmo

"stupidist" things ever said???

Well, when you misspell "stupid" what does that make one? ? : ok:

Not every band that releases an album is as huge or iconic as Guns N' Roses, though. No other band could take a 13-year hiatus and make a $13 million + album and still have the kind of artistic freedom that Axl Rose does. It proves how iconic he has become that he still yields so much power in the music world, despite the fact that his mainstream popularity was at its peak over a decade ago.

ARE YOU SERIOUS? LOL

Why would a new album make a difference? LOL  Give me a break

Why not?

Are you telling me they couldn't sell out 4 MSG's in New York or the equivalent in California?

Guns could have probably sold 4 or 5 shows at Wembley easily.

the way they are promoting things doesn't make much sense.. but to bitch that they are playing too many shows in a certain state is silly.   its not like they can do a tour of Montana.  Florida is a heavily populated area with lots of metropolitan areas.   They are still annoucning more and more dates so I'm sure they'll be making rounds all over North America.  :peace:

You think the album will make people who don't give a fuck about rock music to start buying tickets?

That's how you sell out venues. You make the concert an event. Where even the most casual music fans will go...

You know, the people who say "I don't really like the band but I liked that one song" or "I had to come see this band because everyone talks about them".



Aren't some of you who think they have to release the album the same people who think the new songs aren't any good? ?:P




/jarmo

Sometimes being a fan, means looking out for the best interest of your favorite band. After the 2002 debacle, which reigns as the worst comeback attempt in the history of rock, Guns should be doing it right this time. I have been a fan since the early days and there is way too much riding on this tour to be selfish and want four shows in your state.

I don't want Axl to blow anymore awards shows (is he getting worse or better, I can't decide), I don't want anymore half-full shows. I live in Canada, and have travelled to Vancouver (cough) and to Tacoma in 2002. Tacoma was the biggest bore-fest in the history of concerts. It was a third full. It was embarrassing. Pathetic.

In contrast, the Europe tour this summer, was a far greater success. I attended 4 of those shows, only one of which was sold out (Hammersmith Odeon). The other shows were near capacity and didn't suffer from the former problems, but when I can take a train to Paris and get a ticket from Ticketnet the day of the show (capacity 15,000), something is terribly wrong.

Its promotion. Pretty much end of story. GnR has bad management. All the best managers out there are with artists actually DOING something, for better or worse.

As a fan, I think Axl/Management should put there egos aside and fill what they can. Axl isn't King Tut anymore, he's an enigma of his former self. GnR puts on a great show, but joe-blow-America doesn't know or doesn't care unless he sees promotion. Play the hell out of the States, but at least tell people you're coming.

Well, if no one shows up at the Tampa gig then I get my very own individual one on one concert :P

It's almost completely unbelieveable to me that people are complaining about too many GNR shows.

Wait, nevermind... this is just another example of people finding anything to complain about.

The new album, released or not, would have little effect on ticket sales.  Do you think that thousands of people all of a sudden went to see The Rolling Stones just because they released "A Bigger Bang"??  Hell no!! People went to see the Stones because they were the FUCKING STONES!!!  Yeah, the album will have some impact on ticket sales (if it is a success)..  But the true fans of rock will see GNR because they like rock, not some new album.

Maybe don't bother releasing an album.

Jarmo, some people say that tours are engaged to promote an album, but in reality it is truly the other way around. It is the album that promotes the tour. Touring is where bands make their true income (merchandise + ticket sales). I can say from personal experience that when a band that I use to largely support or like in the past releases a new album, my interest for them skyrockets. This happened with me with Garbage, Nince Inch Nails, Bon Jovi, U2, etc...

The reason for that being is that these albums have singles and videos that let the audience out there know that this band is alive and running. Also, by saying that a new album won't do anything to garner ticket sales you're also saying that the new Guns N' Roses will not be able to garner a new audience with a new album. Well, let me tell you, in my opinion there is no doubt in my mind that they can. You know, people can become fans of Guns N' Roses for the first time after listening to songs like Better or There Was A Time.

New albums are just the tools that garner a huge new interest when it comes to bands like Guns N' Roses. Videos, especially in the digital age (Youtube & Launch) can just bring in a massive audience to any band. Trust me Jarmo, a new album/single/video will help this band in more ways than you think.

Oh yeah, also, GN'R are not the Rolling Stones. The Rolling Stones have been constantly touring for so long that their tours have become an 'event' of sort. Also, people tend to just brush off new material from them. Although, a band like GN'R that has been dormant for so many years (American wise) will need a promotional boost for this tour. That boost is Chinese Democracy ('Greatest Hits' also brought back interest to GN'R in a BIG way). I mean, c'mon', we've all seen what has happened in the past when New GN'R tried to tour without an album support. Eh, yeah, the '02 debacle.

People need to know that they are a functioning band. An album release is the way in which it will be done (or atleast should). This is a scenario that is especially only suited and linked with GN'R.

Well said!

We need the album first and foremost before anything else, touring at this point without the album is fairly pointless...

I think playing as many shows as possible is a good thing, but I also believe a new album, video or single would definitely help ticket sales... it definitely won't hurt them. :peace:

I think it goes both ways.




My interest in a band increases when they do something.




Well, they seemed pretty alive in Europe without that. ;)

Axl getting arrested in Stockholm let a lot of people know he was "out there" don't you think?




No, I'm not saying that.

All I'm saying is that people like to have all kinds of theories about how the album's release would solve all "problems" and how everything should be done (play these songs, play here, play there etc etc.).


I think the release of new material would cause more interest in the band. But I don't think it would guarantee they'd sell out arenas faster....



I don't doubt it wouldn't help.

As I said, I don't think it would guarantee more sold out shows.



Tell that to all the people over here in Europe who had a great time at the shows.




/jarmo

Jarmo question for you. Did you notice, or are you able to research, an increase in new viewers to your site, or new people registering when the leaks came out.. Same thing with when the European tour & US tour have now been announced. If these events increase views to your site don't you think a single or album might increase people's interest to PAY for a ticket to see them??


That's kind like saying "If people want to visit HTGTH they'll visit HTGTH, they won't need a new song to visit here." If that's how you think that's fine, I just think visits to this site will easily double once the album comes out.. Due to people Googling GnR, etc, but they're not aware of this site yet.

wow thanks man. that was dumb on my part. I feel like a jerk, but what adz said was still rediculous.

Great attitude Jarmo and everyone else. I absolutely 100 percent agree.

I am thrilled as fuck they are playing Nashville. This will be the first opportunity I have ever had to see GNR live.

If Axl plots every move worried about the press than he would have to just go back home cause he isnt gonna please everyone, especially biased critics with their own agendas.

So Im glad he has the attitude he has, Fuck the press, fuck haters, fuck the naysayers and he is gonna do what he wants to do, this is the way it should be.

Sorry for the double post.. Dude I don't think Jarmo is in this to see how many members he can get. I have a feeling this board would still be here whether there were 100 or 1 million fans.

I didn't mean it like that.. I was trying to make an analogy between events which cause an increase of people visiting a bands fansite and how they may cause an increase in people buying tickets.


Sorry for any confusion.  : ok:  It was a futile attempt I know. :-[

Yes, there's been an increase in traffic every time something big has happened in the GN'R world.

Greatest Hits, leaks, NYC shows, European tour, VMAs.....

I didn't say it woudn't help, I'm saying people need to be realistic. Some seem to think a new album is some miracle thing that would guaratee sold out shows all over the place.

I don't think it's that easy because of how the "business" is these days....


Besides, we don't even know what the plan is.

Axl says "this year". That could mean during the tour as well...


I'm kinda puzzled about how people think. GN'R sold out several shows over here (and before you Americans say "yeah, even David Hasselhoff could do that", they sold out shows in the UK as well.). Are European rock fans just more used to looking up who's playing where themselves instead of waiting for somebody to tell them? Or is rock music in general just more popular here (I saw people who were barely born back when AFD was released at the shows)?

I don't know...




/jarmo

I will say I'm very impressed they played what, 10 shows or so in UK. That's very impressive. Back OT, I really think it's too early for us or anyone to say what they're doing right/wrong. I expect a few more cities announced tomorrow & Friday, then next week. So we'll see.

About the ticket sales in the U.S: it was the same thing for the Paris show, everybody though it would be half-empty that the tickets didn"t sell enough etc... but at the end the Arena was almost packed. It was not sold-out, but there were much more people than I though.?? :)
There was a very few promotion as well, nothing compared to the promotion for a Madonna Concert or something like that for exemple, but the Arena was not empty at all. So don't worry.
Anyway, have a good show, I hope for you you will have less solos/interludes/jams/bossa-nova waiting interludes, and put the piano, and push the piano, and move the piano, and clean the stage, and dring a coca-cola, and go offstage,? and this and that exept playing songs. I hope you will have more songs, especially new ones. I also hope you won't be bored as much as I did because of all those things. lol.

Paris vs. Estero. Battle!

 :rofl:  That's the funniest thing I have read in quite some time.  Good one.

you forgetting this is america , nobody gives a fuck about axl , he needs to do more then just release a bunch of dates , he has had bad publicity left and right here in the states since he started puberty, he even knows that , the  american crowd is rough , he admitted it so then what the hell gives ?

9 out of 10 people I talk to outside this website could give a rats ass about Axl asshole .All they remember is the bad shit.
Ask yourselve this , what's he doing from this piont on to combat american centiment

I would say Europe has more diehard fans of  GnR than in america. I think thats pretty obvious don't you?
Europe sold well and america won't without a album. Maybe were lazy or maybe axl is cuz he's the one that didn't show his face on a stage with some sort of solidified lineup calling themselves guns n' roses for 9 yrs and then pass it off as chinese democracy tour saying " soon is not the word". If the other  half of the arena is supposed to be packed with new fans how in the hell are they supposed to know when theres no product being promoted?

I can't even believe this thread exists on a board for GNR fans.

You had NOTHING for years and now you have TOO MANY SHOWS? :confused:

Unbelievable. 

More shows the better, they need to get the album out though !

Ok, everyone is attacking the first poster here instead of taking what he is saying into consideration... If Guns N' Roses scheduled 100 tour dates in Florida, everyone would agree that they are playing "too many shows in the same area". ?There is a certain line that gets crossed where a band is playing too many concerts in the same area (just like how if a local band plays tons of shows in their hometown, the interest level will drop).

Obviously 100 shows is an extreme example, but the first poster seems to think the line has been crossed with 4-5 shows considering we don't know if there is an album coming out and the band will be playing to half full arenas (which detracts from the concert experience, a sold-out crowd helps to make an event THAT much better). ?You may disagree that the line has been crossed, but you don't all need to jump on the thread's creator like this is a thread about Axl's teeth.

florida is a big state though, like CA. NY would only require 2 shows, one in the city and one in albany, NJ would need atleast 2 one in meadowlands, one in AC, maryland would need 1 show .. DC. Texas atleast 3 dallas, houston, san antiono.  so by playing the shows in FA gets the band maximum exposure throughout the state.

i think they ad all these shows because they know that the album is comming out real soon, just like axl said several times over the last few weeks. it makes sence, things were a little different in 91 i know, but they started the u.s. tour before the illusions were out and if i remember correctly the press had basically been fisting axls ass for years just like they still do and probobly always will do.

and if this is such a bad idea, do you really think that clear channel whould risk another blow??? i

Is Clear Channel the one doing these shows?? 

Shut up complaining and just be thankful theyre doing shows at all, what would happen if they cancelled everything, and just packed it in........then ud be even more upset

Well, I guess the real question is, why does he think he knows something that management doesn't? He has never heard of Estero, and we're supposed to take that as some sort of sign that no one there likes GNR?

There is another perspective - by playing shows in places that don't ususally get big bands, they could be creating a grassroots awareness of the band.

 

Just to clear my name, though others have already done so, if these tickets never went onsale, how come I called one of my other friends to see if he could go b/c the person i was with the first night had to go back to Penn State that Saturday, then I bought the tix because he could go, then I said to go through all the BS of getting a refund for both sets of tix from ticketmaster-- The sequence above in terms of how I got the refund and all for the second set is a little bit foggy, being that it was 4 years ago, but I definitely had tickets and had purchased them that infamous night at the then First Union Show-- Do me a favor and don't try to make me look stupid when you don't even know the whole story (apparently).

Live Nation and Clear Channel are the same company.