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Title: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band (in my opinion) Post by: newgnr on September 13, 2006, 01:36:38 AM So what makes a great band? In my eyes, a great band is a band that is able play a GREAT live show.? If you can put on a stellar performance, regardless of the type of music you play you are a very good (or great) band.?
Now, while I have seen the GNR perform in 2006, I have to say they put on a great show.? However, Axl nor the band can pull of ANY of the new songs.? The old GNR were great because they were amazing live.? While GNR of 2006 can play the old songs well, that does not prove they are great.? In order for them to do that, they have to play THEIR song's extremely well; to this point they have not done that.? So my take is that when CD comes out it will be an AWESOME record.? But if the band and Axl can not play those songs in a manner where the quality is high, I can not consider them a great band. Hopefully they improve on their new songs for this upcoming tour. Edited the subject.- Ignatius. Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: EccoTides on September 13, 2006, 01:40:40 AM I think it's harder considering we've already heard demo cuts of Better and the other leaks...
The earlier new songs, like CD/Madagascar/The Blues, all sounded (and still sound) terrific because we don't have a solid studio cut to compare them to. With the leaks, we've already heard what they're shooting for, so they sound a bit sloppier live than the older Chinese Democracy tunes. Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on September 13, 2006, 01:42:10 AM They've done a great job on The Blues, Madagascar, IRS, CD, and TWAT from when they played them. Better is a harder song, I haven't seen a performance of it that I'd call great but they have in fact done a great job on the new songs
Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: ClintroN on September 13, 2006, 01:44:40 AM i think they play em' well, what the fuck are you talkin' about??????????????
Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: Chief on September 13, 2006, 01:47:32 AM One problem is that they haven't had all that much time ALL TOGETHER to play/rehearse most of the new material.
the old band had the same lineup for a long time so they got really tight. once they get more touring under their belt the new stuff will sound better and better. Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: Axlative on September 13, 2006, 01:50:08 AM Now, while I have seen the GNR perform in 2006, I have to say they put on a great show. However, Axl nor the band can pull of ANY of the new songs. The old GNR were great because they were amazing live. While GNR of 2006 can play the old songs well, that does not prove they are great. In order for them to do that, they have to play THEIR song's extremely well; to this point they have not done that. I don't get how some people hold an oversize halo over the old band. The probably were amazing live in AFD era with smaller, more intense club gigs (Can you say Ritz?), but as for the UYI tour... hell no. Not any better than the current line-up. Axl sounds better than back then (on average at least, waaay better!). Ron, Robin or Richard have yet to have such off-nights as Slash had when too drunk. Brain & Frank have both outplayed Matt. Overall, I don't see the new band playing anything any worse than UYI era GNR. If you're longing after AFD era... WAKE UP! It was over 15 years ago. You're comparing the new band to something even the previous incarnation with Axl, Slash & Duff wasn't! Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: newgnr on September 13, 2006, 01:50:16 AM i think they play em' well, what the fuck are you talkin' about?????????????? Are you kidding me? The only song I think consistanly sounds decent is Madagascar. ?The rest...sloppy, Axl can't sing em...they are just not up to par. ?And even though we have not heard Madagascar or The Blues or ChinDem in studio, I KNOW that what we have heard so far live will not be as good as in the studio. However, sometimes when they play the older songs live they ARE as good as the studio version, often times better. Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: jameslofton29 on September 13, 2006, 01:54:15 AM But if the band and Axl can not play those songs in a manner where the quality is high, I can not consider them a great band. As I've stated before, I think BBF is like a ball and chain holding back the potential of these songs in a live setting. His BH renditions on IRS and Better are cosmic jokes. At some point, BH(or someone else?) will replace him. He obviously has no long term future with the band. When people email him and ask him about his short term future with the band, he doesn't respond.Hopefully they improve on their new songs for this upcoming tour. The quality of the new songs will increase when/if BH or someone else enters the lineup. The rest of the band has done a great job. While Finck messes up on some of the old songs, he does a great job on his own material. Which is what counts in my opinion. This is a great band. Stop comparing it to old GNR. Compare this band to what is out there today. Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: newgnr on September 13, 2006, 01:57:55 AM Quote This is a great band. Stop comparing it to old GNR. Compare this band to what is out there today. Quote I think I recall saying ANY band playing ANY type of music great live is a great band. I'm not just comparing them to the old GNR, I'm comparing them to any band out there that puts on a great show....for instance Pearl Jam, but that is neither here nor there. Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: SumbodyElse on September 13, 2006, 02:22:07 AM "GNR, up to this point, are not a great band"
What? are you crazy? Have you not seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abEbYPWkT9Q ? (Better Guns N' Roses-Rock AM Ring PROSHOT) This is amazing! - Appetite has now been shelved and will only be taken down for the purpose of nostalgia. Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: newgnr on September 13, 2006, 02:23:09 AM Quote This is a great band. Stop comparing it to old GNR. Compare this band to what is out there today. Quote I think I recall saying ANY band playing ANY type of music great live is a great band.? I'm not just comparing them to the old GNR, I'm comparing them to any band out there that puts on a great show....for instance Pearl Jam, but that is neither here nor there. First, if Axl chooses to call this band Guns N' Roses, then any comparisons to the old line-up are completely fair and understandable.? That said, you're being a little vague as to what you mean as "not great."? I've seen the new band 8 times now, and sure there are times when a couple of slips are made, but for the most part, the new songs kick ass live.? Axl sounds amazing on Better, Madagascar has always been solid, and to those who love "The Blues" (I don't), it always seems to come off well to me.? I've never heard TWAT live and I've heard that needs work (probably why they only played it twice between NYC and Europe).? I would say that the band sounds great during IRS, but unfortunately Axl's vocals can never compare to the demo version, as he has yet to hit that high note that you hear in the demo.? Chinese Democracy can sound a little sloppy at times, that I would agree with you. Please be a little more specific.? In regards to Axl's vocals, that's just a matter of taste.? I do think Better kicks ass though, not sure where your head is there. To answer your first question: To me a great band plays a great live show w/passion, energy, style, and performs an excellent version of their studio songs; CONSISTANLY. ?Now, just on the new songs, GNR have the passion, energy, and style, but the performance is sub-par. ?They have had 4 yrs to practice these new songs since 2002 and 3+ months to play them live and they still can not pull them off well. ?Don't kind yourself ppl, they don't sound good. 2. I think the only song where Axl's vocals are consistanly good is Madagascar. ?And I disagree on Better, while the band place it fine, Axl just can't nail it. ? Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: F*ck Fear on September 13, 2006, 02:30:25 AM Axl's vocals on Better live have been ok. Some times terrible. But it's only one song. If tunes like The Blues, Madagascar, Chinese Democracy, turn out as good as the live performances, in the studio, I'd be really fucking happy.
Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: newgnr on September 13, 2006, 02:39:46 AM "GNR, up to this point, are not a great band" What? are you crazy? Have you not seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abEbYPWkT9Q ? (Better Guns N' Roses-Rock AM Ring PROSHOT) This is amazing! - Appetite has now been shelved and will only be taken down for the purpose of nostalgia. Ok so i just watched RockAmRing Better and IRS. For some reason I skipped over those two before, idk why. You have proven me wrong on THIS instance. For the majority of the time however, Better or IRS or TWAT or The Blues imo have not been good. Oh and IRS from RockAmRing kicks fuckin ASS. Holy shit. I seriously could not believe it, after my whole thread being about how they can't play the new songs, and here I am floored at how awsome IRS was at this show. However, every other version of IRS, and most of the new song's I have heard have been aweful. If they can play all the song's like they played IRS at RAR, I would consider them a great band. As you can see, i'm not trying to be negative here, i'm just stating what I observe, good or bad. Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: SumbodyElse on September 13, 2006, 02:44:29 AM Fair enough. Now I have to go check out that version of IRS!
Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: SumbodyElse on September 13, 2006, 03:17:43 AM yup, Your Right, I just checked out the IRS clip - it Rocks!!!
Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: The Prez on September 13, 2006, 03:23:00 AM So what makes a great band? In my eyes, a great band is a band that is able play a GREAT live show. If you can put on a stellar performance, regardless of the type of music you play you are a very good (or great) band. Now, while I have seen the GNR perform in 2006, I have to say they put on a great show. However, Axl nor the band can pull of ANY of the new songs. The old GNR were great because they were amazing live. While GNR of 2006 can play the old songs well, that does not prove they are great. In order for them to do that, they have to play THEIR song's extremely well; to this point they have not done that. So my take is that when CD comes out it will be an AWESOME record. But if the band and Axl can not play those songs in a manner where the quality is high, I can not consider them a great band. Hopefully they improve on their new songs for this upcoming tour. Basically, you are right! Couldn't agree more (I wish I could say otherwise) :-X? :'(? :-X Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: Mr. Nik™ on September 13, 2006, 03:42:23 AM So what makes a great band? In my eyes, a great band is a band that is able play a GREAT live show. If you can put on a stellar performance, regardless of the type of music you play you are a very good (or great) band. Now, while I have seen the GNR perform in 2006, I have to say they put on a great show. However, Axl nor the band can pull of ANY of the new songs. The old GNR were great because they were amazing live. While GNR of 2006 can play the old songs well, that does not prove they are great. In order for them to do that, they have to play THEIR song's extremely well; to this point they have not done that. So my take is that when CD comes out it will be an AWESOME record. But if the band and Axl can not play those songs in a manner where the quality is high, I can not consider them a great band. Hopefully they improve on their new songs for this upcoming tour. so you are saying that they played not well the new songs? maybe, you can play them better? I think they could play THEIR songs as they wont.... THEY maked them and the way to play as well. Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: anythinggoes on September 13, 2006, 03:52:39 AM ok at the beggining of the tour i agree some of the new songs didnt gel correctly but if you hear them at Birmingham and nottingham the songs sounded fucking awesome i recorded irs from Birmingham and although its a Poor recording you can hear how fucking awesome that song is live. The same goes for Better the song just got better as the tour progressed i seem to remember the early 91 shows before the album release some songs live just didnt sound that good
Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: crofty on September 13, 2006, 04:07:15 AM so you are saying that they played not well the new songs? maybe, you can play them better? I think they could play THEIR songs as they wont.... THEY maked them and the way to play as well. I can't build a car on my own, but that doesn't make american cars not shit (when you see german cars you'll know what i mean.) That argument is old. I think the original poster made a good point. I disagree with him for the most part. though I do have to admit better when i saw it (hammersmith) was a little sketchy. I still think they're phenomenal though. Including on the new songs despite them being very much more studio orientated. Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: liesin on September 13, 2006, 04:36:42 AM I think the new band has been fantastic so far, the new songs totally rocked, but I have to admit that there's rome for improvments. It's all a matter of time and they need to get tight. It will come!
Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: Ignatius on September 13, 2006, 06:22:21 AM This is ridiculous. You are saying GNR is not a good band cause in your opinon a band can only be considered great if they put a stellar perfomarnce and in your opinion (again), GNR hasnt done so with the new songs. I've seen GNR twice this year (many more members here have attended more shows) but the new songs sounded great, even better than the old ones, but then again, this is just my opinon. Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band (in my opinion) Post by: zombux on September 13, 2006, 06:25:21 AM and what the fuck are they? the best ever performances of Nightrain, awesome performances of The Blues, IRS, Paradise City and many more speak for themselves. this band actually IS great. looks like you haven't been to their show and it's your time to attend some of their show - you will change your mind, trust me. : ok:
Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band (in my opinion) Post by: daviebuckethead on September 13, 2006, 06:27:41 AM i think the crux of the guys argument is, is that the new songs aren't played as well as the old ones....whcih is weird because their someone elses songs?
i think most of the new songs i've heard performed live were good. i haven't heard the band play better well in a live situation yet, and i haven't heard twat live. although i would say i was at the hammersmith gig in london and they made a cunt of irs at one point, but this happens from time to time :beer: Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: Janabis on September 13, 2006, 06:33:36 AM Overall, I think the new songs have come off very poorly when played live. Some nights are much better than others, but these performances have been inconsistent at best. I think Axl has always done a pretty good job on Madagascar, but he usually sounds awful on Better, and most performances of IRS have been weak as well. Listening to Better from RIR4 still makes me cringe. The Germany recording is one of the better ones, but Axl is still really flat and short of breath throughout most of the song. He's done an alright job on The Blues although I actually preferred his cleaner high pitched voice on that song from 2002 over his current performances. The gigs from Japan '02 are still the very best vocal performances of The Blues I've heard (and I've heard just about every one).
Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band (in my opinion) Post by: Sillything on September 13, 2006, 07:47:54 AM Live versions of new songs not so good? *cough* bullshit*cough*
Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: ClintroN on September 13, 2006, 07:51:07 AM i think they play em' well, what the fuck are you talkin' about?????????????? Are you kidding me? The only song I think consistanly sounds decent is Madagascar. The rest...sloppy, Axl can't sing em...they are just not up to par. And even though we have not heard Madagascar or The Blues or ChinDem in studio, I KNOW that what we have heard so far live will not be as good as in the studio. However, sometimes when they play the older songs live they ARE as good as the studio version, often times better. you tellin' me the OLD band didnt play there unreleased songs unsloppy live, let em' gel dude, givem' a break!!! Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: downzy56 on September 13, 2006, 12:15:45 PM "GNR, up to this point, are not a great band" What? are you crazy? Have you not seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abEbYPWkT9Q ? (Better Guns N' Roses-Rock AM Ring PROSHOT) This is amazing! - Appetite has now been shelved and will only be taken down for the purpose of nostalgia. Ok so i just watched RockAmRing Better and IRS.? For some reason I skipped over those two before, idk why.? You have proven me wrong on THIS instance.? For the majority of the time however, Better or IRS or TWAT or The Blues imo have not been good. Oh and IRS from RockAmRing kicks fuckin ASS.? Holy shit.? I seriously could not believe it, after my whole thread being about how they can't play the new songs, and here I am floored at how awsome IRS was at this show.? However, every other version of IRS, and most of the new song's I have heard have been aweful.? If they can play all the song's like they played IRS at RAR, I would consider them a great band.? As you can see, i'm not trying to be negative here, i'm just stating what I observe, good or bad. I suppose you weren't around in the Use Your Illusion days.? Though never seeing them live but having several video and audio bootlegs, I can tell you that many nights the band simply phoned in their performances.? Several, in fact, i would put well below par.? You'd either having Axl sounding like he was shredding glass in his throat, Gilby off time, Slash ripped out his skull (though he still managed to do alright which amazes me), Duff just as loaded (I can't count how many times he butchered the bass line to Sweet Child) and as Axl mentioned in 2002, Izzy playing so bad that the stagecrew would often mute his amp.? This isn't to say that the old band weren't amazing at times.? Several nights there wasn't a better band in the world, but I'd bet they'd all admit that that wasn't always the case. So go easy on the new band.? Rehearsals and live are two different animals. Cheers. Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band Post by: robinfinckfan on September 14, 2006, 07:13:09 PM But if the band and Axl can not play those songs in a manner where the quality is high, I can not consider them a great band. As I've stated before, I think BBF is like a ball and chain holding back the potential of these songs in a live setting. His BH renditions on IRS and Better are cosmic jokes. At some point, BH(or someone else?) will replace him. He obviously has no long term future with the band. When people email him and ask him about his short term future with the band, he doesn't respond.Hopefully they improve on their new songs for this upcoming tour. << just wandering if your stay is going to be long term or not? I'm in until they throw my ass out - lol it was through myspace and he did respond in like 4 -5 days later : ok: Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band (in my opinion) Post by: jameslofton29 on September 14, 2006, 10:53:45 PM Ask him now. : ok:
"I'm in until they throw my ass out" is a very general and unconfident response. Title: Re: GNR, up to this point, are not a great band (in my opinion) Post by: robinfinckfan on September 15, 2006, 08:30:13 AM Ask him now. : ok: "I'm in until they throw my ass out" is a very general and unconfident response. Maybe not for you but, I like bbf and it was good enough for me. :yes: : ok: |