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. . .? The Blues (HOB 01) soundboard???? some say its the studio version but if you hear both of them they kinda sound a lot alike. yall compare:

http://media.putfile.com/The-Blues-HOB-01clip

http://media.putfile.com/the-blues-Boston-Radio-Promo-Spot

You are right indeed. But remember that HOB was the first show where The Blues was performed EVER. So, my guess is that he had been practicing the song to sound exactly like the one he had alraedy recorded. Both possibilties are believable tough...

hmm yeh sounds like theyre pretty much the same thing

CJ

They are completely different...the first was the vegas show.....and the 2nd is ABSOLUTELY a studio clip of The Blues used for promoting the 2002 tour....On the ENTIRE clip there is a part of Chinese Democracy and Madagascar as well....both sound incredible....I have had the ENTIRE clip for 4 years now. :peace:

I don't think anything on those promo spots was studio material, just cleaned-up soundboards that aren't available to us.

I agree , starting now.  : ok:

The Blues at HOB didn't have Richards outro solo (or any outro solo) on it.

So, no. I doubt it.

Im surprised people think those are soundboard clips... if you listen to the intro to Chinese Democracy on the promo it's pretty apparent that its studio.

It could be either.  but if you heard the live version 50 times then the studio version ain't going to be that much different. So.... :P

Whoever says it's Soundboard is deaf.  Tone and detail deaf.

It's BLATANTLY studio cuts.

Dude, your links don't work for me, but I listened to the recording of HOB that I have and the Boston clip and the HOB version is considerably faster and missing the guitar parts. Can you post your HOB on yousendit or something so I can listen, because mine is way faster and minus the solo. I didn't know there were multiple recordings of HOB.


Edit: Okay your links work now. What the hell are you talking about??!! Dude, you have better ears than that, I know it. As I said above, HOB is MUCH SLOWER than the boston clip and also MINUS the guitar solo. Do you think A) Axl and the gang took the soundboard from HOB, slowed it down to fit the tempo of the 2002 version of the song, and added a Fortus guitar solo or B) Used a studio clip of the song? Which makes more sense?

its the same one u have.  its an audience recording.

Agree. Ask to any musician - they will know for sure that its def a studio clip.

I have no doubt about this at all. Also, like people already said, there's no Richard's outro solo before the US tour in 2002, so why would they put an overdub in the soundboard recording?

And Axl's voice, the guitar tone and everything in the Chinese Democracy clip sounds studio recordings.

I have a really hard time trying to figure out why so many doubt such an obvious thing.

Cuz CD wasnt finished in 2002... i think.

^^ Don' forget the speed of the Blues! The slow version started on the 2002 tour, thus ruling out that the clip is from a live 2001 show. Add the guitars that weren't added until after the clip appeard and it equals studio.

in reply to frozen's last post: A few songs were probably more or less done (probably have been changed since then). Oh My God for example. Didn't that girl that got invited to Axl's Halloween party way back in the day hear a recording of Madagscar that Axl played for a few people? Am I remembering that right?

Well, considering the fact that it's soundboard, I think it may just be soundboard.

O RLY?  :rofl:

Yes.

Considering the fact that I know for sure it is soundboard material collected from the 2002 tour I would have to say: "Hey, that's a soundboard recording." Just my two cents.

Okay, let's settle this. Someone dig out the European 2002 bootlegs (I lost all mine when my old computer crashed). We'll listen to The Blues from all of them. If we don't hear Fortus' guitar solo played in that exact way (I don't even think he was playing that solo yet in Europe) on any of them then can we agree that the clips are studio?
       RR, could you PM me or something with the Euro 2002 bootlegs so I can give them a listen?

The Boston promo is not soundboard.
Heard the guitar tone on Cd, AXl voice on Madagascar etc.. this is dead horse.

Maybe a radio station will air a new 20 second commercial promoting a show with a polished 9 second soundboard clip of IRS to keep you content for another few years. ?:hihi:

u havent even heaard the HOB soundboard... wtf..

They just meddled with it, that is all.

Hear that everybody? The great Kiko has spoken. HE has heard the guitar tone on CD. Therefore, it is not soundboard.. Duh! I mean, don't even bother making topics anymore. Just Ask Kiko (you know, like Jeeves). Away to dead horse, cast ye vermin! Be gone with all thine might before I hasten to unleash thine foot unto thy ass!

This is about the HOB soundboard or the Boston promo and the HOB audience ?!
I havent heard the HOB soundboard do you have heard ?!
WTF this topic is about .....................Hey forget about it just go back to INFERNO ... :hihi:

You don't have to hear the HOB soundboard to know that it doesn't sound anything like this. Hell, even if I never heard any bootleg, I could say that it's indeed a studio recording. This is indeed dead horse.

WTF are you talkin' about? You know that, beside any evidence of sounding like studio (follow my advice, ask a musician!), there is this Richard's outro solo playing, even when the promo was aired BEFORE the US 2002 tour, when he started to play it, right? So please, stop talkin out of your ass.

WTF are you talkin' about? You know that, beside any evidence of sounding like studio (follow my advice, ask a musician!), there is this Richard's outro solo playing, even when the promo was aired BEFORE the US 2002 tour, when he started to play it, right? So please, stop talkin out of your ass.

I've been sayin' that since 2002 dude (you probably have as well). No one listens. RussianRoulette, just how is it that you know for sure it is soundboard material collected from the mini-tour in Europe? Please, if you've got info no one else does then share it. How did that guitar solo come to be on the clip before it was played live?

The promotional spot was edited outside of the recording studio. It sounds like a studio cut because it was processed and "mastered" first - all radio material is. Listen to a Bon Jovi radio spot - they take soundboard songs, spice 'em up and slap them on. The songs were 2001 soundboard recordings that had been edited.

You think Axl would have let ANYONE have studio songs back in 2002?  :hihi: "Oh yeah, here Mr. Editor Guy, here's The Blues, Madagascar and Chinese Democracy; just make sure you don't let anyone else hear them."

"You got it, Guvn'uh!"

HAHAH!!  :rofl: very nice.

Sorry, I am a bit dense. I don't think I understand what you mean by "edited outside of the recording studio". Do you mean the radio guy in Boston made it all himself by compiling different soundboards together and editing them? If that is the case then why did I see/hear a similar promo at the Wachovia Center in Philadelphia? It had no Madagascar clip, but it had Chinese Democracy and the Blues (Patience and Sweet Child as well I think). They were the same audio clips of CD and The Blues. Did the Boston guy send his work to other cities and they then edited them as they saw fit? Sounds kinda strange to me.
 ? ? ? ?I don't think Axl gave venues full songs, but rather the tiny clips we hear in the promo. They were probably given the three clips for the purpose of a promo and each station/venue edited them as they saw fit.
 ? ? ? ?Also, you still didn't answer my question about the guitar solo Did some guy in Boston just invent it himself and then magically it is the same solo played by Richard a few weeks/months later? I just don't understand how you are explaining that guitar solo. And also, Axl's voice in Madagascar is really gravelly and studio sounding. He didn't sound that way in Madagascar in 2001, not really even in 2002. I think he only sounded that good in 2006 and perhaps the studio. Again, I am a little dense.

2001 performance --> soundboard --> editor (outside of recording studio where songs are mastered) --> radio station

The radio station doesn't edit the songs, an editor does. He compiles promos using soundboard material. That's what they do with radio ads. They don't edit radio ads in the same studio as where the album itself is being recorded.

The Richard solo I'm not sure about, was the Boston ad put out after they had already played songs in 02? Cause that would explain it.

Somebody very well could have added an outro solo, and not the guy from Boston. It's not that unfathamable. Those in the GNR camp probably passed it on.

Axl felt forced to tour so had this put in. The song itself dates back to at least as early as the Zakk Wyld Jam sessions. Maybe Axl or whoever threw his in there.

It seems hard to believe looking back at 02 that axl would do this. Would've seemed like the promotion might have been up to a DJ in Boston.

2001 performance --> soundboard --> editor (outside of recording studio where songs are mastered) --> radio station

The radio station doesn't edit the songs, an editor does. He compiles promos using soundboard material. That's what they do with radio ads. They don't edit radio ads in the same studio as where the album itself is being recorded.

The Richard solo I'm not sure about, was the Boston ad put out after they had already played songs in 02? Cause that would explain it.

Okay, cool. Thanks for clearing it up. Two more points. I heard an ad in Philly (which I stated above). I swear that is not BS. I was at a Flyers game and they played a video promo for the upcoming concert on the screen in between periods. That video had the same audio clips of CD and The Blues as the Boston promo. Two different ads, two different cities. Does this mean that the original editor of the promo had several different versions or was there an editor in each city that independently made the clips from the same material?
          Point number 2, as I (and a few others) stated, the solo at the end of the Blues was not played live until 2002. There is no question about this. It is simply fact. The Boston promo surfaced after the Euro mini-tour but before the first North American show. Now, to the best of my recollection, the solo played by Richard at the end of the Blues was not played live until the first North American show, long after the Boston promo aired. Unless someone can prove otherwise (I can't as I no longer possess the Euro bootlegs), the solo at the end of the Blues was not played in Europe in 2002, only in North America. That means the clips in the promo are NOT from a live show. They are from somewhere else.

Sounds silly to me that they would have added a studio recorded guitar part over a live track. Why not just give them a studio clip of the song instead of combining the two? We know some studio songs existed back then (Oh My God and probably the version of Madagascar played at that Halloween party). Also, I doubt it is Zakk on the guitar. It sounds very much like Richard to me.

Just got this...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UeKTTk15Yhk

All the '02 clips on this sound like soundboard to me, I don't know, CD and Madagascar sound like live performances and they have crowd sounds in them, which means the editor - if they ARE studio tracks - purposely put audio clips of people in the background...which doesn't make sense...and they're not there on the old studio clips...

the crowd noises are on you could be mine and paradise city, and its not present at the beginning of CD and i didn't notice it in madagascar.  Those are definitly studio clips.   

does someone have the one that had the blues in it?  i can't find it, i know i used to have it.

No crowd sounds at the beginning of CD, only after the guitar intro. Also, sounds to me like crowd effects in Paradise City (roaring and a soft whistle at the end of the clip), but it is a little hard to hear. We need to find the full Boston clip. I swear it had crowd noise over Sweet Child. I'm not sure I even hear crowd noise on Madagascar on this one.
 ? ? ? On second thought, there really is no way to prove anything either way. I've got my opinion and you have yours. How about we agree to disagree? : ok:

Why the hell wouldn't make sense to add the crowd noise? It was a promo for a live performance!!

Really, it's unbelievable how some can deny it's a studio recording. It's just ridiculous.  :no:

Dude, you really don't know what are you talkin' about. Really.

1) they don't need to edit the thing in the same studio as where the album were being recorded. Period. They don't need the full recordings of the new songs just to make the ad.

2) the promoters edit the songs for the ads. Why they had the same clips of the new songs in different places? Why the same old songs?

3) why wouldn't Axl allow three samples of new songs for a promo ad to promote his own tour? It's not like he was give the whole album for no reason.

Like already said a gazillion times: the ad was aired BEFORE the US Tour 2002, when Richard started to play the solo.

Judging from a majority of the posts of yours I've read on this forum, you seem to enjoy being the authority on all matters involving GN'R. The simple fact is no, we don't have proof, and just because you have experience editing videos on your computer doesn't mean anything. I worked at NBC in London as an editor - you don't see me tossing that around here, but I'm pretty sure I understand the editing process too. Don't tell me I "don't have a clue" what I'm talking about. I gave my two cents and that's all it is - my opinion. Judging from the history of this band and secrecy surrounding tracks I find it very hard to believe Axl would give three samples of new songs to editors for promotional material.

Agreed. Goes to show that GNR fans can take anything and make it a big deal. Its CLEARLY studio. You can tell off the freaking bat.

CD and Maddy are studio but the blues u have to wonder..

at the end of the day, all will be reveiled, oh that many be a few days btw.lol

LOL, so you were checking my history and just didn't care to argue? Cool... You didn't see me tossing where I worked and/or what I did, did you? You just judge me instead by viewing my posts on a message board. Great job!

Yeah, one would find hard to believe that some demos would leak several months before the release.. Or that they would be back on tour... Or that the album itself really looks like it's gonna be released.. ::)

Sorry, it just looks more and more like you really don't have a clue. Give me your two cents about the color of the sky too...

So, elitist like this?

:P

Aside from the fact that I was being sarcastic, do you know what elitism is?

Well, in the original clips you posted that started off the thread, the promo had the solo, the Las Vegas one didn't. So that's the most obvious difference between the two.

I would like to hear the complete clip, could you put it anywhere ?

And to me they sound diferent :
- The sound of the guitars are different
- The time seems to be a little bit more quick in vegas
- There is a solo in the final isn't in the Vegas version

But all of this things can be worked in studio taking the soundboard recordings of Vegas wich we know they have.

intersting topic !!

Ive never believed that those snippets were studio versions.  Theres no practical reason for the GNR camp to risk leaks by putting out any form of studio material over a perfect quality soundboard, especially when its a matter of 2-4 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeKTTk15Yhk

This is the link for the boston promo 2002, and in it you can hear a Chinese Democracy that REALLY SOUNDS LIKE STUDIO

You silly fuckers.

It?s Studio.?

I guess you talked about elitism because I talked about musicians... But you was arrogant enough to claim that this is a soundboard recording, even if you failed to prove your point. Maybe I'm fucking things up because english is not my 1st language, but as far as I know, elitism is a matter of putting yourself above others, ignoring facts (like the Richard's outro solo on The Blues).

If it's just 2-4 seconds of new songs - and I'm pretty sure they gave only samples with this lenght for the ads - what's the risk there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeKTTk15Yhk

here's the tv advert from the promo, you can hear CD and madagascar, im 100% sure these are studio recordings accompanying the vid.

what you think?

of course it?s studio....   

I uploaded that.   :love:

Sorry bro, but they ARE ABSOLUTELY STUDIO CLIPS.....trust me......it is easy to figure out when you listen to it.... :peace:

yeah i noticed after i posted!! sorry! ;D

It is 100% studio clips on the Boston radio promo's. Seriously I cant believe you people are argueing over it!!! put up any soundboard clip and it wont sound as good as the radio(studio) clips, seriously people its studio clips end of discussion.

What he said.... 8)

It isnt studio clips.  ::)

It's , IMHO , (just like saying they're "studio" is ONLY your opinion) just soundboards , micpad mix etc etc ...

either way , nobody here can prove 100% it's either nor or ..  :peace:

It's odd how the thing with The Blues outro solo is not a point for those who believe that it's just soundboards. ::)

No, I mean I uploaded that to YouTube. The video was posted by me months ago. I feel famous all over my body now. But maybe those are just the side effects of the spoiled raw salmon I ate last night?

Salmon Rules

Yes you can. The Blues outro solo was never played live until after the promo was released, yet the solo is there on the promo.

Where can I download the complete VEGAS 01-01-01 Show ??
I've lost it !! :(

Untrue. To my memory a few dates of the 2002 tour were played before this promo clip surfaced.