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If the album is out this year, when can we expect it to be on the net? 2 weeks prior? A month?

Anybody know the details of these things?

a few days before.

I couldn't care less if it leaks or not, although I really hope it doesn't.

Typically, albums hit the web a monthbefore... this one, tho, is of course HEAVILY gaurded... id only expect when it ships to stores, so, say 3-4 days before.  Thinking it WONT leak is just silly.

any minute

Is that supposed to mean something?

I think it'll leak only a few days before the album comes out.

HA! Right.... But really, folks: I hope that even if it does leak and everybody snatches u digital copies, they still go out and support the artist. Cuz I know if the material leaked and it was available, I'd download it, and then go buy my two copies...

im gettin 3-5 copies. gonna giveaway a few to some friends, if it comes out this year.

A few days before sounds a bit unrealistic to me. I mean, it has to go into production at some point. That's usually when it gets leaked cause of the great number of people getting access to it. So when does albums go into production?

dude the album just leaked :o

didnt u know? :o

It will leak the very moment it goes out for mass production, if not before.

The mods on the boards are going to have a cracking time trying to moderate people discussing illegally downloaded material aren't they.

The board will explode.

i didnt even know. wow.. it sounds great.

I want to know how they're going to hide the release date?

it'll probably leak a couple of weeks before, just my prediction.

I don't think they are trying to hide it, I really think that no one really knows yet, except maybe Axl.  I can't even imagine what is going to happen to this board when it finally does get released, leaks or actual release.  The server will go into overload.

I hope that everyone here does buy at least 1 copy even if it does get leaked.  Support the band, they cannot get actual statistics of how the album does if you don't actually buy one.

I don't know when its gonna leak, but when it does leak i'll probably get so excited that i'll probably leak too.

all the gnr boards will get packed.. its gonna be ackward but cool... so many crazy n00bies? :hihi:

the server will crash, I actually think most people who are here most get screwed :hihi:

fuck you all...i've been waiting for this album I don't know for how many years and you want leaks...fuck you....can't you wait a fuckin' month or two...we've been waiting for years and you all want to ruin that moment of great GnR comeback just because of leaks...fuck that shit..now I'm realy pissed... :rant: :rant: :rant:
just can belive what i'm reading....fuck....:peace: :rant:

tell something...what's the point of the leaks when we can get whole GNR thing back in few month...

Case of tourettes anyone? 

Relax man, this is a board for FANS.  We have been waiting for more than a decade and I bet even YOU couldn't resist if there was a leak.  Did you not download all the leaks out there already? 

This is why I said even if it DOES happen that everyone get out there and BUY an actual copy to support the band.

20-50 days of extra listening time. Deserved pre-listening after 14 years of pain.

of course I download the leaks...but i don't want to download a whole album from internet as a leak...i want to whole world knows for Chinese Democracy,not just funs...
ain't funny...

Yea seriously, if you have something to contribute to this thread can you do it in a way we can understand you?  Cursing in multiple languages isn't very helpful. 

So you downloaded the leaks.  Right there that makes you a hypocrite with no ground to stand on and you know damn well you would download MORE leaks and the album if it was put in front of you to do so.

I hope it doesn't leak, but I know that it probably will  :no:  Probably a week or 2 before release, but that's just a wild guess because I don't know how music is mastered/produced/distributed/whatever.

Personally, I will not want to listen to the leaks.  I've listened to most of the leaks so far, all except Catcher.  I won't listen to that one until they play it live or it is released :)  I didn't listen to TWAT until it was played live, and felt like a total goof being the only one in the front row who wasn't singing along  :hihi:

I want it to be a new experiance when I get the CD, open the package and start listening.  I already know some of the songs, but hopefully quite a few will be totally new to me.  If it does leak, I may have to stay away from the board for a while so that I don't get too much info before it's out  :-\

;D

I gotta be completely honest, I will not download the leak. I want this to be a real special thing when I go and buy it lol.  :love:

definitely i wouldn't download the leak. i haven't even heard all of the "new" songs yet..

waited too long to download it first!!!

I don't know when it will leak. I honestly hope it doesn't, but at the same time I hope it does. If it does leak, then I know I'll probably be able to listen to the album at some point even if Axl decides to change his mind on us and wait another 10 years to release it. But if it doesn't leak, then I'll just hope that he actually does release it soon and that sales will be helped by the fact that no leak occurred. It's very difficult to avoid a leak from happening, so we'll just wait and see. If it does leak, I know I won't be downloading it until perhaps next summer or something when I'm sure it's not officially coming out any time soon.

When do albums go into mass production? I'm sure most big bands wait until last minute to lessen the chances of leaks... whenever it goes into mass production will be wehn it leaks. and it will deffintly be available to us atleast a week before it comes out.. I'm going to hold back and wait till i get it, because that will be such a GREAT moment that i can remember forever, but if i download it, itll be nothing special. I might just download 1 or 2 songs, and probably just IRS and Better because i've rammed those down my ears for the past 6 months anyway.

I have no idea when it goes into mass production, but I'm guessing a month or more before the release. Why else would there be so many leaks that come out a few weeks prior to albums being released?

As for your comment about not downloading. Like I said, I will wait until next summer for CD's release. If it's not out by then AND there is a leaked version on the 'net, I'll probably download it. Axl would be a fool to not release it almost immediately if the whole thing leaked.

The point is the only reason the whole thing will leak is if/when its about to be released.... ;)

The album will leak in mid-November.  : ok:

Remember remember the mid of November.

If it's being released this year the album will be out at the latest in late November whcih means early november is when the finished master will begin to be passed about and that means we're guaranteed to hear it before it's released.

If it leaks, I wouldn't be shocked if it ticked Axl off and he decided to shelve the entire thing and never release it. At that point, he would prove himself to be a fool, losing out on millions of dollars and officially destroying any bit of credibility he might have left with the music-buying public. He'd be finished. GN'R would be finished. I hope you're right though. Hopefully a leak would indicate a very imminent release or hopefully it would force Axl to do the practical thing (business-wise) and release it right after the leak(s).

Piss off. What? You think you're the only fan who's been waiting for this and the rest of us are here to simply find out when the album leaks so we can steal the album. Get a  grip. Oh and if you're gonna  sit behind your monitor in anonymity and tell us that you haven't  "ruined a great Gn'R comeback" by listening to the leaks already than  you're flat out lier.

I would like to believe Axl would still release it. ?He is handling things a little differently now, and with some more maturity than in the past. ?Sure, I am sure he will be pissed but hopefully just to the point where he calls us "downloading MF'ers" again. ?You can't overcome the whole internet and I think he knows that just by the leaks that already have been spread.

But this album is a big deal for him, it will make him or break him and I am sure that is weighing on him more heavily than what leaks online. ?What is important is if people love it!

Well, I actually think Axl and his management team purposely leaked 3 of the 4 songs. The downloading mother-effers comment sounded like a joke in good fun with no animosity. I don't think there's any coincidence that 3 of the 4 were played live on the European Tour this year. That's why he handled things so well at that point, IMHO. If the whole album were to leak without his permission, he'd get really ticked and who knows what would happen at that point. It would be career suicide if he didn't go ahead and release it. I hope you're right about him maturing. The fact that he did that radio interview with Eddie Trunk indicates to me that he's more laid back than he used to be about certain things. Hopefully he keeps his word and this thing does get released in 2006.  :)

Only a complete idiot would shelve an album due to it being leaked. nobody on the face of the planet can stop an album from being leaked these days so it would be completely dillusional on Axl's part to think he could do it. I'm sure he knows a full leak is inevitable    and I wouldn't worry about that causing him to shelve or delay the album.

I have a question for all of you who say Axl has this album heavily guarded or hidden in a  safe place. What makes you all think he has better security   or better hideing places than any other band on earth?  I'm just curious that's all. I mean he can't even get the best sound crew or stage crew let alone top security for an album :rofl:

I think leaking will only help the cause of the album anyway.? What better way to get publicity then having one of the most anticipated albums of the decade flying through cyberspace at lightning speed??

And you know everyone will want a store copy for the art, liner notes, to see who played what on the tracks, etc. so it really is no big deal and I don't think will hurt the sales.

Axl doing anything in retaliation like delaying/shelving would be career suicide and I am sure even he knows this.

The biggest thing that will hurt sales is iTunes. I'm talking strictly hurting album sales. If the band decides on "Better" as the first single, that thing will take off. The problem is, if you sell it as a single on iTunes, people won't buy the whole album. I posted this on another GN'R forum, but I'll post it again here.

The best thing for album sales would be a new promotion style on iTunes. Sell the album on there, of course, but do NOT sell "Better" as a single. However, give every person who goes to the iTunes store the opportunity to listen to "Better" one time for FREE. Have some sort of IP Address blocker or something that prevents people from recording it or from listening to it more than once. That way, everyone would get a good chance to hear a kickass song, and they would likely be willing to buy the album. Include the digital album art, liner notes, and TWO music videos only available with the album (one for "Better" and perhaps something live like "Welcome To The Jungle" from Rock AM Ring). Price it at $9.99. That would definitely help album sales I think.

most albums leak a few days to a month before official release, I think this will be the same situation

As soon as the cd is manufactured.

remeber when eminems greatest hits was due to come out??he brought it forward to stop so many people getting it on the net didnt he??
can GNR do something like that?

its pretty obvious the strength and trust of security in and around axl and the record. since 1993 we've had a handful of leaks - only one or two of those dont seem to have been directly sanctioned by axl.
in that time consider the leaks other acts have suffered - radioheads unmastered hail to the thief leaked, was 'stolen', 6 or 7 months before the album was due for release, then the finished version leaked months before its due release as well. the mars volta's records have all suffered major leaks of three to five months in advance of release.
the fact that we've had only 5 or so leaks from chinese democracy, over 14 years or so, and leaks that increasingly look as ifthey've come from axl as 'feelers', is evidence of just how heavily guarded the album is.


and about the time scale of it leaking - until a while ago i was certain it would leak quite early, but not the business seems to have gotten a hold of the situation somewhat. dylans record didnt leak til the week before its release - that was due to the way reviewers were allowed access to the album. it leaked the weeked it was shipped to the shops. if the management take the same approach with chinese democracy then expect it to be a week before.
but then, if someone gets it in their handsa couple/a month before its release, are they really going to be able to contain their excitement, whatever the risk?

What about people behind proxy servers?  Or using PAT?   What about people who use PPPoE and change IPs several times per day?

I expect the album to leak the Friday before it comes out.

Axl has always guarded his music closely.  About 6 months before UYI was released I had most of it on tape.  It was very hard to get any GNR bootlegs but a friend of mine gave me a tape.  There is a local record store that sold bootleged tapes and before UYI was released I'd periodically go down there to checkout what were the latest tapes available.  One day I went in and notcied all the GN'R bootlegs were pulled.  The owner said he was contacted by management or a lawyer or someone to pull the tapes or he was going to get sued. 

So I'm not surprised at how closely Axl is watching over these tapes.  He's very passionate about his work and wants people to hear the music the way he wants people to hear it. 

If there's a set release date, and the album leaks.. What amount of time between the leak and the actual release date must it be for you to download it?

Personally, it would be hard, but I will not download if the album comes out anytime this year. I wanna feel surprised when I buy the album! :)

I would download Rhiad anytime! I'm dying to listen to this song in good quality... If it would be a studio version, even better!!!

The other songs - the real new ones - I would try to wait for... Yeah, I can't promisse anything, but I will buy it for sure anyways.

i dont think it will leak too far away from the release date. when nirvana came out with their box set there were a lot of things done to stop leaks. whenever somebody wanted to review it they had to go and listen to the box set on a laptop and only had an hour in a room to do it. they will crack down big time on this cd.. im sure leaks will get out because there is always a way to get them, but i dont think it will happen that far in advance of the release date.

I wish it didn?t leak but it?s impossible to avoid it :(

a few days before as "Contraband" in 2004.

Apple has some pretty smart guys working for them. I'm sure they'd be able to figure out a way to protect the content from getting either recorded or listened to more than once by people who try to get around it. I just think my idea would be much better than letting people cherry-pick songs. At the same time, it's not fair to buyers for them to not hear a great sample of how good the album might be. Granted, that's how it works in record stores, but in the digital world people deserve better given that they pay more for no physical content (an actual CD, CD case, booklet, etc.).

GNRfan2008 - bugger that.  The packaging etc is not worth the extra cost - downloading people aren't exactly getting a raw deal.

The album has taken 13 years to release because Axl has been burning each individual copy on his computer to ensure that nothing leaks.

 ;D Probably. He's got them all locked in a  trunk in his closet at home.

I'll download it just because of the anticipation, but buy it out of respect.

I feel the same way. Even if I download it and absolutely hate it, I'll still buy it at midnight just to pay for it.

the album may not leak before release at all....

i was readiong an article in classic rock magazine about the new maiden album. they had ultra tight security, they brought all the journalists from respective magazines from all around the world to the record company and put them in to listening booths with a gaurd, and then whicsked them away to interview various band members, and this was done for a whole day.

i thought this was a grerat idea, the magazines get their review/ interview and the band get to keep the album under wraps, completely.

this might be what gnr do, just a thought... 8)

the maiden album still leaked. its the same approach most major acts take now.
its the week the discs are shipped to the record shops (i.e. the week before release) that the leak is most likely to occur due to these measures.


(unfortunately these measures also build up a certain hostility in many of the reviewers, which is just what gnr need :P)


(and while im here, can i put my name down as a someone requesting a link to the leak when it happens please?)

That's the most insane thing I've ever heard. Mostly because the chances that working are about as good as Robin Finck making his solo in November Rain not sound like a cat being cremated alive. iTunes has it's business model and that's pretty much the deal. You can have album only tracks but honestly after all this time GnR's label is going to want to ram this sucker down everyone's throats by hook or by crook. If that means risking some album sales in exchange for a million download of 'Better' (keeping in mind that the profit margin for iTunes sales are substantially higher than cd sales) then they will be on that like white on rice. Record labels don't care how or what it is that sells as long as it's selling shitloads. Even the mighty Axl Rose isn't completely immune to the machine.

Having said that...the album WILL leak. Some of you will download it and listen to it. You will come here and talk about it. Some of you won't download it. You will come here and talk down to everyone that downloaded it and post lots of these:  :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: and whine about it. There will be lots of fighting and swears and bad spelling, and I will laugh.

i love it when members of this board think they?re above the others.....
the mighty michaelvincent..... : ok:

Well, the Killers new album due out on October 2nd still has not leaked. Care to explain?

He's talking out of his ass. You are correct not all albums leak. Also, hosting tons of fakes can discourage downloading fakes. There are ways to stop it. Releasing partial EP's or singles with B-Sides always helps quench people's thirst for a while.

well, maybe that's because no one wants that :hihi:

Not true... there are plenty of 10 - 12 year old little girls that want that album. :hihi:

You think it will leak?

I am kinda thinking it won't.

But then again, I know nothing about how the record making/promotions/mixing thingy works.

dude, the album will leak... 1 month, 1 day before, doesnt matter, today you dont buy a record quickly if you?re not a big fan of the band, you download some songs, listening and see if you like, GNR will have to understand that 90% of the people that only like 2 or 3 old songs wont buy the record before listening to at least 60% of the album... its damn easy, someon buy the album and put it on the net, even if is low quality people will listeing first

leaks most of the time happens like a week before the realase day..
it happens in the distribution time.. when the album is being handled to the stores...

i have to say that i will download the leaks cuz it will be the only way to hear the album, cuz where i live, albums come like 3 months after they are realased...
i will buy, no doubt.. but i will have to download it before

Why don't you pre-order it online and have it shipped to you? ^

i won`t download the final versions if they leak... i want to put the CD into my player and listen to it with the best quality possible : ok:

i want the real deal and i can wait.......

/sign

I just want to have that experience. Putting CD into the CD player. The leaks to date have allready cheapened it for me. I won't listen to any more now that I know it will happen within a few months. I only listened to the current leaks to make sure the stuff wasn't crap. Now that I know it is good stuff, that's all I need.

I feel the same way overall. I may break down and listen to the leak over the weekend just out of curiosity. But if I score a promo the week before I'll be ALL over it. I want the same experience of actually putting that CD I've waited so long for in my CD player for the first time.

All hail him!

It's leaking tomorrow night. Would have been today, but i left it in my car.

If a release date was out there and the album was leaked, NO WAY I would listen to it.

Yeah those who would actually leak it might be fans, but I wouldn't call them supporters. If anybody here has anything to do with leaked songs, I'd urge them to think about the current events and tour happening with GN'R and use their common sense that it's happening this round.

I will download it if it leaks before release date - and I will buy the album anyway.

 ???

surely getting the songs out there asap would only help the tour and the hype around the band?

Don't hail me guys, I'm just some asshole on a messageboard.   : ok:

Honestly, I love you all. I just watch, observe, and comment. And you can't tell me that we won't have a full on bitch-fest around here between the downloaders and and non-downloaders when the album leaks. It's part of life here at HTGTH.

I'm certainly not above anyone. How's this for hypocritical? I fully intend to download it when it leaks. But I'm also going to buy it when it hits the stores.

good idea..
well i just have to see if they ship things here...