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ive been lookin all around the internet but i have never found that quote of axl saying "fuck bon jovi"  when did he say that and is there a video of it?  back to the topic is he even still enemies with Bon Jovi?

and anyone know of any connection between AC/DC and Axl? ive never seen them perform or talk about each other

Axl don't cares.

but Jon hates Axl because he envies him.

Not sure about that ... Jon and the boys are bigger than Axl/GN'R these days.

He said 'Bon Jovi can suck my dick' ages ago, when a reporter didn't recognize him and thought he was JBJ. He was pissed of and dropped that 'famous' (read : stupid) line during a blues impro with the band.

So now, everytime Bon Jovi comes in a thread, you have always some idiots that bring back the 'Bon Jovi can suck my dick' thing.

I Don't think Axl cares or hate them.
I don't think Jon or the band hates Axl/GN'R. I think he's pissed because of the attention Axl gets just being a recluse, when Bon Jovi are touring like crazy and work a lot since ... well, since 1984.

But we all know that Axl ain't a recluse anymore :beer:

the only time I've heard Axl speak of AC/DC was on a  bootleg cover of Whole Lotta Rosie. It was live and at the begining Axl says "The Melody Maker called us a  weak AC/DC.  Well I ain't no Bon Scott but that's a whole lotta rosie to me" I don't know when it was recorded(86, 87, 88) but It's on my Outta The Vault bootleg disc.

"Not sure about that ... Jon and the boys are bigger than Axl/GN'R these days."

No.

who care's!!!


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that's not the point.

GNR are ever been more famous than Bon Jovi, and - above all - Axl is a way bigger star than Jon

I don't think so. I mean, Axl Rose and Bon Jovi are both legends, but Bon Jovi has been releasing albums for years and selling out Giants Stadium and other arenas every time he comes around. So does Guns and Roses, but they're not in the lime light. Is he bigger than Axl Rose? I'd say so. But I mean, lets see what happens when Chinese Democracy is released and the public hears the new Guns and Roses. Then lets see what Axl will do with it.

Don't forget, Bon Jovi is also much more radio friendly that Axl. He appeals to the older 40 somethings much more than GNR will ever. It's much more easy to "Have a Nice Day" than it is to dance with "Mr. Brownstone"

This thread is _not_ about who's bigger.

Oh yeah, HAVE A NICE DAY is such a great song, I just can't stop listening to it. NOT

Pull yourself together. Bon Jovi has always been POP rock, that's why they're POPULAR...

They might have a few good tunes, but even Britney might have a good tune. And let's not forget that back in their "good ol days" they needed lots of help from Desmond Child to write all those "hits"...

Oh, and Skeba, mine's bigger.  :P

Love them or hate them, the Have A Nice Day record, is dam good.

And this thread seems to have a habit of poping up every month or two.  :)

I'm sorry to break it to you but just because you think the record is good, doesn't make it a good record.

 Acording to last Bon Jovi statement about Axl he still jealous of him.
but Bon Jovi still good mucisian .

I think they simply crap on eachother.

Bon Jovi ran out of ideas after the late 80's band crisis. Before that, yes, they were a damn good band, even ripping off some other band's songs, but who doesn't? ;D
After that, it's just been re-writing and ripping off their own songs... ?:no:

Hmmm maybe I haven't got all the info, but based purely on the particular rant: Axl says they were attacked by five guys in suits in the hotel, and that "First off this guy grabs me and calls me Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi can suck my dick."

So from what I've gathered, getting called Bon Jovi was meant as more of an insult (...which it is, too).

Bon jovi were good late 80's and early 90's

But they have lost it big time since Alway's which is a great song...sorry


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Well, I wouldn't mind getting called Bon Jovi. They are good musicians, they're great live. New album was fine.

Maybe they are more radio friendly, but at least they are out there playing since 20+ years.

ummm and Axl needed help from Izzy back in the "good ol days". 

I am from Jersey and its against the law here to ever put down Bon Jovi and Springsteen.  I have seen both of them live and they can unify crowds like no one I have ever seen. 

Anyways, no I dont think Axl or Bon Jovi care either way about each other anymore.

From what I understand, other then the one time Axl mentioned Bon Jovi, I don't think he (or they) have ever crossed his mind. He's on a totally different level then Jon or Richie or their collective band.

It's obvious that JBJ cannot get over the fact that Axl was/is a bigger star then him by his assinine remarks recently. It's like he's really upset that he's gotta do things like that shit sellout single with that country chick to gain no fans. He's been retreading the same old crap for years and years. They last 3 Bon Jovi albums all sound EXACTLY the same. They all follow the same pattern and all of the single are almost the same. It's crazy. To me, JBJ should look at that problem and try to fix it instead of worrying about why the world is more concerned with what Axls doing.

So to answer your question; I don't think they were ever "enimies" but I don't think Axl gives a flying crap about them when JBJ and his keyboard buddy David Bryan obviously spend more then a little time paying attention to Axl.

Who cares if two multi-millionaires (Axl and JBJ) have a problem with eachother or not? Plenty of people are fans of both. The groups are more similar than say Cannibal Corpse and Nickelback, so it is fair  to say that it wouldn't be uncommon for people to enjoy both groups. I love both bands and couldn't care less if they have "beef" with eachother or not.

uuuummmmm, and they were in the same band? Was Desmond Child ever a member of Bon Jovi?



I'm from Greece and I don't care about your New Jersey laws... Bon Jovi is a pop-rock band who needed outside help to write all their major hits.

Respect the Boss. Don't compare him to Bon Jovi.

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 UHHHH...NO....Bon Sissy Mary has suffered in record sales for the last decade......I am not sure about now but he is not a bigger name than Axl no matter what either one of them are doing.......you gotta be kidding me.......Bon Pompous is the ultimate suck-boy and the only ones who don't know that are teenage rich girl and their mothers... :hihi:..yes I am truth

ummm and Axl needed help from Izzy back in the "good ol days".?
uuuummmmm, and they were in the same band? Was Desmond Child ever a member of Bon Jovi?

Holy shit! Well played! I didn't even think about that shit. I guess is Desmond counts as a member or Jovi then he HAS to count for at least Aersosmith as well!

I'm really sick of this bj vsgn'r threads.If it's a bj forum they say axl is a botoxed mutant trash, and here jbj is compared to britney.Why can't you guys just admit they r both very talented musicians and best 2 frontmn out there. Just to cherish one you don't need to insult the other.Jon bon jovi is a rock n' roll legend.And he is one of the nicest guys in the world.

Bon Jovi sucks a dogs ass.... ;D However, he has had a successful career. Let's not mention him in the same breath as Springsteen though. That is heresy. >:(

i never bought a bon jovi album and im not going to diss him coz i dont like his music. i dont really care if they were/are enemies. we GNR fans cant really judge much the other bands coz we are still listening to 20 years old music and i lost count of how many times we're promised new album.

Think what you want about the guys music, but in every measurable way of star power right now John Bon Jovi bends Axl over a table. He sells out venues Axl can't dream of playing right now, has more money than God, and still releases hit albums 20 years after his debut. I love Axl as much as anyone on this board, but Bon Jovi is a bigger "star" than Axl right now when you look at the trajectories of their careers.

I can judge anybody I want. I don't care what other people think.

All I know is that Guns N' Roses wrote their greatest songs on their own. Bon Jovi didn't. That's enough for me. I'm not gonna judge them on anything else, from being handsome to being a great frontman.

It's easy to be good on stage when you're handsome and when someone else writes your biggest songs.

He sells out venues Axl can't dream of playing right now
Hahaha.... what venues is Bon Jovi selling out then Guns N' Roses couldn't?

has more money than God
This point makes no sense whatsoever. Not that it matters, but what makes you think that Jon Bon Jovi would have any more more then Axl Rose?

and still releases hit albums 20 years after his debut
Really? Since Crush (which was an actual hit) can you speak about how well Bounce and Have A Nice Day have done on the charts? I know I can, because I actually know what I'm talking about. To be a hit album, doesn't someone actually have to buy it? Feel free to look up some numbers for the last two Bon Jovi albums, I think you'll be a little surprised.

I'm sure they are both over it by now. But I do know that lately JBJ was complaining that he didn't understand why Axl gets so much attention when he is just a recluse and has not released an album in years. I think I saw it on the E! channel on that show "Hollywood 7 Deadly Sins". So maybe JBJ still holds a grudge, but Axl has moved on I think.

They sold out Giants Stadium 3 straight nights this summer, Solider Field, Gillete stadium and some others to name a few. These were not festivals, just Bon Jovi shows. Their drawing power is tremendous.

People can slag the band for their "pop rock" sound all they want, but you don't sell the amount of albums they have and still sell out stadiums without making music that resonates with people.

Bounce was a flop, but HAND has sold nearly 4,500,000 albums worldwide and has gone platinum in the USA and several other countries. The album went to number one in 15 countries, went to number two in the USA and UK. Not to mention becoming the first rock act to have a number one single on the Country music charts.

That is not bad for an album that propelled a sold out arena and stadium tour around the world.

My point was that I honestly don't think Axl thinks/cares about JBJ or his band. Obviously JBJ is pretty jealous of Axl still though.

Who gives a fuck about Jon's look. He's a great frontman, and know how to handle any crowds. He or the band are never late, they respect the fans alot.

Plus West Arkeen wrote stuffs for GN'R, other people too, outside from the band.

Dry County - written by JBJ
Always - written by JBJ
Bed Of Roses - JBJ
Hey God, These Days, Damned - JBJ/Richie Sambora
Wanted dead Or Alive - JBJ/Richie Sambora
Lay Your Hands On Me - JBJ/RS

And you can add from the same pair : Raise Your Hands, Never Say Goodbye, Wild In The Streets, Love For Sale, Blood On Blood, Homebound Train, Someday I'll Be Saturday Night, I Believe, Blame It On The Love Of Rock & Roll, Little Bit Of Soul, Save A Prayer, Who Says You can't Go Home, Starting All Over Again, My Guitar Lies Bleeding In My Arms, (It's Hard) Letting You Go, Something To Believe In, All I Want Is Everything, Two Story Town, Next 100 Years, Save The World, Captain Crash & The Beauty Queen From Mars, I Could Make A Living Out Of Loving You, Neurotica, Right Side Of Wrong, Runaway, Get Ready, Tokyo Road, Undivided, Joey, The Radio Saved My Life Tonight, Garageland, Prostitute, The End, Good Guys Don't Always Wear White, Another Reason To Believe, Standing, Last Cigarette, Novocaine, Unbreakable, Dirty Little Secret, Last Man Standing ... And many fucking more :rant:

Maybe you're jaleous ?

You can criticize all you want, but Jon and Richie did wrote some good fucking rock songs.

Not to be an A hole, but Have A Nice Day sold pretty well, much more than VR's Contraband for exemple.

All hail the lowest common denominator!

Again, I'd love to see your thoughts on the sales of the last three albums. As far as those "stadium sell outs" you may want to look into that too. Bon Jovi "sold out" Comerica Park here in Detroit on the Bounce Tour but in spite of that, it was announced on 3 different Detroit radio stations that everyone that wanted to could attend the show for free in the upper level on the day of the show until the upper level was filled.

So we were wondering when we got there why the upper level was less then half full as well as the field and lower levels having gaping holes in alot of sections. If that stadium show was "sold out" as Bon Jovi claimed, why would all that have happened?

First off, your list of BJ songs above, while impressive is incorrect. Check your linear notes, Desmond had a hand in ALOT of those tunes. That notwithstanding, why do you guys always post things like "Have A Nice Day sold much more then Contraband"? Why not instead post the numbers so you can prove it?

Contraband was actually certified as triple platinum in the U.S and 5 million worldwide, so it is actually ahead of HAND in terms of sales.

HAND has sold nearly 4,500,000 albums worldwide and has gone platinum in the USA and several other countries. The album went to number one in 15 countries, went to number two in the USA and UK. Not to mention becoming the first rock act to have a number one single on the Country music charts.

Have a nice day dold 2 millon in it's first 2 weeks.Which was a record in the bands history.

They sold out giant stadium and they always play for 50000+.They made the third most succesful tour this summer.Following the stones and u2.

These groups are bigger ten mtv.They don't need to promote themselves in the ''vmas''.

You guys may think gnr is more talented.Everyone is entilted on their own opinion.But you cannot really argue about who is more succesful.the numbers are there.

And ofcourse jbj has made more money.Bj sold more then 100 ml albums and on touring the stadiums for the last 20 years.Jbj has his own foundations.So we don't actually know if he is richer then axl cause he gives a big percentage away.

Wich ones please ? Cause I do read my linear notes, and this comes from the Cd's booklets. Desmond Child did not help wroting any of this tunes.

See the above for info on Bon Jovis "stadium sellouts", although if there was a legit one in the US, it would be Jersey

These groups are bigger ten mtv.They don't need to promote themselves in the ''vmas''.
Really? Is that why U2 plays the VMAs everytime they have a record to promote? Don't confuse JBJ not being able to get on the VMAs with him not needing it. If JBJ was "bigger then the VMAs" then he wouldn't be out putting his face on every interview show and magazine he can to keep himself relevant.
he's sold more then 100 ml albums and on touring the stadiums for the last 20 years
Again, for the delusional Bon Jovi has in no way shape or form been "touring the stadiums for the last 20 years"




Here's the thing; this has gone way past the meaning of the original point. It has nothing to do with GNR Vs BJ, the only reason I'm still arguing this point is because you guys are making up wild and outlandish facts to try and make BJ sound bigger then Axl.

I could honestly give two shits who is more successful and what not, but I'm not gonna sit back and watch people just make up shit about BJ's success

I'll be more then happy to take a peek at the cds when I get home. Did you care to comment on the sales of Have A Nice Day vs. Contraband?

Oh please.

Stop comparing Bon Jovi to Guns.

If you love Bon Jovi so much, then you're definitely in the wrong board...

"It's much more easy to "Have a Nice Day" than it is to dance with "Mr. Brownstone"
NO! Mr. Brownstone makes days much nicer ;D

russtcb, I don't give a shit to try to make BJ or GN'R bigger. They are my two all-time favorite bands.

Facts are facts.

You can dance to this shit...  :hihi:

 ?Who cares if they are still fighting or hate each other.I like Bon-Jovi but to say the guy sells out in Jersey alot is not saying much considering thats his home state ofc he is gonna sell out around in those area's.I still like there music even the sell out country hit they have had recently.Also for you JBJ fans might wanna check skudge boards when you get time rumor is Bon-Jovi's next cd will be country as they see it as a much more lucrative market than pop rock.

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 ? ?Axl I am sure could do some country sap hit record with one of the country chicks who are into old GnR and have a big hit also so do not act like JBJ somehow is still a hitmaker after all these years put Axl with a top country star doing a duet and I would be willing to bet it would go right to number one also so that arguement is crap.Point is JBJ has always been more pop/country radio friendly than GnR so stands to reason he would be more popular in terms of sales.

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No need to comment, but I do recognize that I was wrong ;)


Well, since I love both bands, I've got the right to stay here. Last time I've checked it was still a free board, and I'm not doing anything wrong. We're discussing facts. If you don't like the subject then don't bother ...

Yeah I guess I should look at it that way too. I did about 30 seconds of fact checking just now to ensure that these wild ass claims like "Have A Nice Day" sold 2 million copies in its first 2 weeks were wrong. If that were true, it would mean the album moved 1.8 million units in its second week since it moved 200k the first week.

Exactly.

I really don't want to be reading how great Bon Jovi is in the GN'R section...

If I want to read that kind of stuff, I'd visit a Bon Jovi forum.  : ok:



/jarmo

So by judging the posts of some members here, if you like GNR you can't like Bon Jovi or vice versa.  PATHETIC!  I love GNR and I love Bon Jovi and who fucking cares?!  They can hate each other and I do not give a flying crap about it one bit.  I enjoy both bands and those who don't enjoy either one  well so be it.  It just pisses me off when I see some members here saying they can judge Bon Jovi all they want but when someone doesn't like what Axl says or do they get bad karma, bashed and threads locked.  Goes both ways buddy.  So what JBJ doesn't get why Axl is so popular even if he is a recluse?  He is entitled to his opinion just like we all are.  GNR is a great great band.  Bon Jovi is a great band too.  Selling 100000000 millions album is no small feat.  I don't always agree with what Axl or JBJ both say or do and obviously we all don't and it should stop at that.  Newsflash there are other great band other than GNR you know and that is ok.

"Bon Jovi can Suck my Dick!". You're insulting Axl by mentioning this ass clown in the same sentence as W. Axl Rose.

I dunno who envys who but maybe Axl envys Bon Jovi?s hair? LOL :rofl: well.. he still has plenty! :hihi:

I doubt axl ever has had anything strongly against bon jovi personally. or looked upon bon jovi as his rival in music. One is a front man of an intense Hard rock band and the other is a soft rock/ pop idol with his back band.

Comparing GNR with bon jovi is no more meaningful than comparing it with beyonce.
Whatever he said, didn't mean much more than that "this is not Britney spears bullshit" comment, IMO.

Bon JACKASS is a rich pussy....maybe he has talent to a certain number of people....which is fine.....but he has no balls and no place in a conversation about real rock or metal icons....he plays heavy country music at best....no edge, no danger, and I don't recall EVER meeting a DUDE who liked his music...then again, I am not a big fan of well to do cockbags that are born rich...I guess they just don't know any better....and I am done talkin' about this ......

What he said... :yes:

I'm sorry to break it to you but just because you think the record is bad, doesn't make it a bad record.

Well, since you're probably reffering to me, first of all I'm not your buddy.

Second, I can judge whoever I want as long as I go by the rules of this board.

Third, noone got bad karma cause they talked shit about Axl or the new GN'R.

A great band is one that after 20 years, keeps on making GREAT songs. I believe that Bon Jovi have stopped making GREAT songs a long time ago...


READ, THINK, THEN WRITE. You can't present a record as a "damn good one" when that's just your opinion.