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in 2002 Axl and the'new gnr' tour was basically a flop....lots of negative reviews, not sold out seats and people furious to not see slash or duff..........considering axls lukewarm response at the mtv vma's and the fact that the 2nd vegas CLUB show hasnt sold out it seems like axl is going to have a rough go of it trying to make it in the usa again....It seems the USA fans will not accept axl until he puts slash back in the band..

why should he put slash back in the band? The only thing he has to do is release the chinese democracy album

I dont think Axl is big in japan at this point... :P

this is YOUR speculation and YOUR hope...

USA fans are simply waiting to discover what is "new GNR" and, above all, what Axl will do this time.


Slash is PAST. period. and YOU must understand this point.

Slash doesn't want to be in this band, he has his own stuff going on.

what was the point in the thread? that the warm up shows havn't all sold out? we knew this since it's on the frontpage.

If that was the case then the show would be sold out.

I don't think he cares about what the people want. He said it during the Trunk's interview. He knows people will criticize who's playing what and who should doing it instead. I just don't get why it's harder for USA to accept GN'R, here in Europe it seems much easier ???

Once the album is released I guess it's going to be different.

Slash hasn't been in the band for over a decade, so unless you're a TROLL trying to start up shit, US fans accepting Axl has ZERO to do with Slash. ?::) ? ?

i am from the usa and all my friends who used to be into GNR would rather listen to velvet revolver.....they could care less about GNR........i didnt realize how HUGE slash was....the point of this thread is AXL is no longer the megasupserstar he was in 1988 or 1992 for that matter.....thats a problem

Because we europeans are more open minded than most of US people.

Honestly, if you're a die hard fan why would you really care how many people at the concert? I seen them twice in 2002-I hope for all the success in the world for Axl, I hope concert figures dont bum him out, but there are still a lot of GNR fans here-Van Halen w sammy drew about the same figures in my area-anyway, like Duff once said, some of my favorite bands only sold 5,000 records-I could care less if people dont like new GNR

the people on this board notwithstanding i think AXL is no longer the huge superstar...he really fucked his image up by taking 12 years off......i think usa fans think of him as a recluse who went crazy...........if axl likes a challenege then winning over the USA again will be his biggest challenge since appetite first came out.......

you are answering it to yourself..
axl now is not axl 92...
he wont sold out shows without promo, solding out  shows if this mini tour... is more than great

In other words, the 9 of all other shows are sold out.....only a few tix for a nite at the smallest venue are left for whatever reasons and soon to be gone.
Geez. Big deal.

As much as i hate the new 'Guns N' Roses' this is a pointless thread. Lock

Its not sold out because there is still no single out and not album release date.

I know only one thing: here in Germany GNR is going to be recognized by the voice in the first place. Even if R. Kelly would play drums and Eminem would play guitar, people would be into GNR - of course if the music is good :yes:.
Back in 2001 - after Rock in Rio - I watched the concert with a friend of mine who is listening to GNR now and then. The first sentence was: "Axl has changed", then "where is Slash" and then "But the new stuff kicks ass!"

When you look at some other bands where musicians have left and where the singer has left. It was always a difference who has left. Of course Slash, Duff and Izzy were and are great, but they are doing their own stuff. Besides that VR would be much better if the would have someone else on the mic :-X (sorry for that!)

Does it really make a difference if Slash is playing a solo or Robin or Richard or Ron. If it sounds amazing, it doesn't matter at all. I don't see a reason to start bitching around if a show is not sold out yet. We have some days left.
AXL STILL NOT BIG IN USA, damn, then tell me one frontman of a rock band who is big in USA, is it Nickelback's singer :hihi:, I don't think so.

We should not make mountains out of molehills. Some seats may be empty at a show, who cares? I prefer being at a concert with 80% filled and a good show than watching S. Weiland dancing on the stage like he has got to go to the toilet but doesn't know how to get there.




And now you can all critisize me.... :hihi:

i disagree with your conclusion. i went to four venues in 2002 (vegas, chicago, NY and philly). don't remember if vegas was a sell-out, but the other three were. and they were all in big venues (15,000-20,000).

and that was with basically no promotion. and no mention of an album.

with a song on the radio, an album to be released, and other promotion, axl can do very well in the USA. ?

Then why dont you go away?

First i would just like to say you and your friends are rejects.

Secondly, Axl does not need slash to make good music, or sell-out arenas. neither does slash (too sell out arenas)Why new GNR isnt as big as the old.. or as big as falloutboy is Because they havent released a fucking album yet. if they did you wouldnt be trolling around the forums so that sucks for us.

That 2nd vegas show will sell out....if anyone disagrees, I will wager $500, and we can put it in Jarmos escrow account.
(Selling out the night of, still qualifies)........This wager stands till Sep 10th.

It's gotta just be the easist thing in the world you guys to sit back and just churn out these negative threads.

I thought Axl had a great response at the MTV VMA's. He was the only one to get a standing ovation the entire night.

Sept. 17 not being sold out is no big deal; however, at least releasing a single would help. Not many people know they're still around, and some still consider them on the same level as bands like Motley Crue, Poison and Cinderella who have just recently returned for the almighty buck. GN'R as "we" know is much different than those bands, but the general public, which sells out shows, does not. It'll take time and the band knows that. These are also warm-up shows and I believe more so for the hardcore fans to get that up close and personal show before they go off and do stadiums. I see it as a thank you to those that have been waiting for so long.

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Sure they would...because VR actually has a recent album to listen to.

As for Axl's "superstardom"...well, that's sorta subjective.? HE is still a pretty big star.? The question is: Do people want to pay to see him perform the old stuff and not have any inkling as to what the new stuff is?? Do they want to see a band who hasn't released an new studio album in a decade or more.? Clearly, in Vegas, on that particular date, the answer is: not enough people to sell out the club do.

And that, pretty much, is all you can take away from this situation.

exactly

I'm kinda confused myself by the non-sell out. I honestly think it's got everything to do with those ticket prices coupled together with exactly what you said about what the public may or may not think of the new stuff.

why should every show be sold out? what's the point of this topic? prick.

As I anderstand in US its all about publicity ?

I don't think anyone really cares about seeing the new band here in the US for the most part... Everyone can go see youtube and other clips of the shows..  It may not do anything for anyone.  Hell, the place only seats like 1,400.  I saw them twice in 2002.  What is really different about these shows is what some may ask.  Just like I said a few weeks ago, selling out large markets is easy, but in Europe, everywhere is a large market.  US fans are more lazy and more demanding.  We have been fooled once already.  Give us something new to see, or stay home and work on album.  If you aren't going to give people what they want "Slash, Duff, etc," then give them new material so they will be more likely to accpet you.  Again, I saw GNR in Detroit 2002 and VR in 2005.....  There were more fans at a VR show.  Same venue, different results.  Now this may just be one example, but that is what happened.  I hope GNR has a great tour, but I am being realistic. 

Axl has to do what every other musician needs to do.  He needs to get a video out, kiss up to the MTV crowd, and get that single out.  It makes sense that the US dates aren't selling because he's got to promote it.  Other than us on this board, how is anyone else supposed to know that they're performing?

i just looked for tickets for the San Diego show, the last one to this point in time, and any number of tickets can be had..

That is pretty pathetic, but Axl deserves this for not delivering an album first, what the fuck are they/he thinking??

But its still sad that American croud didnt exited by GNR comeback. >:(

The second show will probably be sold out by that night. That is what happened last time.

I dont believe it has that much to do with slash, axl doesnt need him, he needs to release the cd!

Agree 100%, what the hell they are doing out on tour without the CD being imminent is beyond anyones comprehension!

There is absolutley no promotion for these tours. nothing on radio, no buzz with people, nothing at all.

if i did not look up gnr news on a computer i would know nothing. i've said this before and i'm sorry if i piss people off but as much as i love this band merck has got to do a better job of promoting axl if he wants people in the u.s to attend.
axl is on his last leg as far as the u.s goes if he does not deliver europe can have him because americans will not show up.the thing is is that were scared of going we don't know if he's gonna be there, theres no new album, tickets are WAY OVERPRICED, if you do go you get appetite shoved down your throat. i went to hammerstein and i live 1,300 miles away and i got 3 new tracks and only better that i never heard live. i love this band and would go to vegas if i didn't spend a shitload to fly to NYC. but you gotta understand that yea, axl is big but he's not gonna sell out arenas on his name alone in the u.s.

Right now this american tour is destined for failure

the dude sold out stadiums on the metallica/faith no more tour....thats 70,000 seats in the US...if he cant sell out a small club trouble is in the air

It ll be tough for Axl to sell out in the US because there is NO ALBUM.  and this country is so inlove with the original band, they cant see past it.  some of us can, i love the new band, but for GNR to be big time in the US they need new material to promote.  MEtallica sells out bc they always have had new material wether is was good or bad, they always kept their fans.  GNR has fans, but like AXL they disappeared, and when AXL re appeared he wasnt recognized

jay payton = slash TROLL  :o

go enjoy that shitty band vr and leave us alone.

Axl has to get the album out within the first few weeks of the US tour starting. Even if it means just releasing it out of nowhere. I've said this for years: Another US tour will fail without an album. Hell, they arent even selling out arco. That is an easy arena to sell out. Its small. If one of those club shows doesnt even sell out then there is an even bigger sense of urgency. If the album isnt ready for release within the next few weeks, GNR should have toured Asia or South America before coming here. Or just extended the Euro tour until CD is ready.

Guns n Roses is now the Lamest Band in the world.  In the past two weeks I have wittnessed a sold out Hootie and Blowfish tour and a Counting Crows tour and Axl can't even sell out a fucking club that seats 1,400 people.  Jesus.  Fuck this.  Axl's team needs a head coach, and right now they don't have one.  Just a Terrell Owens.

Good analogy. :beer: I wouldnt go so far as to say they are the lamest band in the world, but they are definitely drifting in that direction. Axl has to get this album out. If not an album, then an official leak of several polished studio songs, and one of those songs being good enough to get top 40 radio play. That MIGHT create enough of a buzz to sustain the tour until CD is ready.

is there any kind of local promotion going on about the shows in your area?   I think thats where the biggest problem is right now is they dont seem to be promoting this at all.  :-\

Good point, Jim. There is ZERO promotion here. Not for ANY of the shows in my area. I dont really understand this strategy GNR is using. But when you think about it, without CD what is there to promote? AFD? :nervous: The ticket prices are too high for it to be a nostalgia tour. So promotion might not even cause sellouts. GNR either needs to release this album SOON, or lower these ticket prices and just promote it as a nostalgia tour and see what happens. If Arco doesnt sell out, the tour is in big trouble. Arco is an easy sellout.

I'm suprised how are all the usa tour dates doing regardless if they're warm ups..?


I do believe axl will have to prove himself a bit more in the usa then europe..

No doubt. The two of us have been saying it for years: People here arent interested in AFD rehash. Everyone is gonna find that out when this tour is underway and there's no CD. I cant believe they are pulling the same stunt as in 2002. Its not gonna work. CD has to be released in a matter of weeks. I cant even imagine what will happen if none of these CA shows sell out. We just all have to get on our knees and hope the GNR camp realizes the ramifications of doing this again without an album.

i think if they got the word out that GNR was playin, people would go, album or not.  Especially in a place like California where there hasn't been a GNR show since the illusion tour.   Its like put up some billboards or put some ads on the radio, in the local newspapers, somewhere!    :rofl:

i think its safe to say these first 8 or 9 shows there wont be an album.. maybe thats the reason for the few weeks off until the 'real' tour starts on the 24th  ???

When the first leg of the UYI tour happened, there was GNR ads all over the place. Even the Modesto Bee talked about it. Now, there's nothing. Jim, CD plays a factor in this more than people like to admit. The album has been hyped for years. Mention GNR to anyone, and they always ask 'what happened with that album they were gonna do". When they find out its still not out, then any excitement they had for possibly going has faded. Sure, the world loves AFD, but enough to pay $40-$70 bucks to hear it again? :nervous: Axl is taking a HUGE gamble by doing this tour before it comes out. He might get away with it during this "warm up tour", but the album has to be out when that real tour takes place. If not, even the most optimistic fans will start to question why he even started to tour in the first place.

That right there is the key paragraph. Sure, you can tour again with 80% AFD material, but then you'd be doing what Motley Cure, the Rolling Stones and countless other "vintage" bands are doing (minus your original line up) and would it be successful? Well, yeah, to a certain degree, but the people spoke back in 2002, and that tour was far from successful. The loyal and the curious will go see Axl and the new GN'R perform old stuff, but then you also have to scale it down and market it in that same fashion. You cannot tour and promote a new band and a new album when people have no point of reference when it comes to your new material/band.
As a fan, sure, I'd go see them now even if they only played AFD songs, but only once. I wouldn't want to see the same greatest hits show on every tour.

Either do a tour and promote it as a "classic songs" tour and show rock bands of today how it used to be done, or wait for CD to blow up the charts and then show rock bands how it's done today.

Great points. I'm surprised we are agreeing on something. :hihi: I feel the same way. I bought tickets to see them in Arco Arena. Now, if I knew it wasn't an AFD tour and CD would get showcased, I would be going to quite a few of these CA shows. But I know it will probably be that same Euro setlist, and I'm not watching that more than once. A couple months ago, I considered not going to ANY shows because of the rehash, but I would like to support the band, and since I havent seen GNR since 1991, I'm gonna go.

Yeah, if its a nostalgia tour, definitely scale it down to a club tour. This band doesnt have the clout/respect that the Stones have, so they cant just do a major tour with nothing. If CD hadnt been hyped for years, then maybe AFD tour would sell here. But its not going to. Like I said, when people see GNR tickets for sale, then find out that album STILL isnt out, they are more likely to laugh than purchase a ticket.

"...This band doesnt have the clout/respect that the Stones have, so they cant just do a major tour with nothing."

The Stones are touring on a relatively new album, Bigger Bang (LOL) I know weird...what's the general ticket prices anyway? I would have had more of an interest in club venues though, so whoever suggested nostalgia tour=club venues, I agree. I also liked someone's idea that he should have extended the Euro Tour until CD was out before going to US...I don't think Slash has a thing to do with it...that's just some USA generalization thingie...but yeah, the die hards shouldn't be worried about sell out or not sell out...just go and enjoy your show...Buckethead's coming to town this month and I'm looking forward to that

I am all for a club tour.   Thats why I picked the vegas shows.   8)

Club shows would be awesome if that's the direction they wanna go.  CD must come out and make it big you kow, have a big bill that will draw a large audience. do it right put GnR with good company. Don't always make it about axl. get the members in the press radio shows, magazines etc..etc..

Well, essentially, we are all fans and we will have some common ground no matter what. I also think that a new album and a tour with new songs is what we all want, and like we both pointed out, once is enough, even for hardcore fans as ourselves. We've heard these songs for almost 20 years now, the new band is about a new era and CD, that's what they've been working on for so long now, don't take them out on the road and introduce them over and over again through old material, instead show people what they can do and have done in tems of writing songs and performing them. I mean, Better, T.W.A.T (although in need of some arranging), The Blues, Madagascar, CD etc. would be show highlights if more than only the hardcore fans knew of them. So, for a multitude of reasons, the next tour needs to be in support of CD - on that, we definitely agree 100%.

The place hold 1,500 people.. It should be sold out. For a band bearing the name Guns N' Roses.. That is a disgrace.. That being said, I am sure it will sell out.

CD is the key.  It will bring alot of old fan interest back in the band, and bring in a ton of new fan interest. 

No. We enjoy nostalgia acts  : ok:

Slash will return one day to GN'R, because that's how life works, we tend to return to where we came from. But that day is far away, so don't put your hopes high. Axl has now finally found 3 great guitarists for this band and that's what we are going to see for the next years.

But yes, Axl needs to release the damn album if he wants to go big again in USA.

I agree in some way. I think is crazy for him to be touring arenas. He should do smaller veneus...lets just hope for the "best".. Maybe the reason the 2nd night is not sold out its becuz of the prize..$150?????? Hootie and the blowfish and whoever else are selling shows out prob cuz the ticket prize is much cheaper..
Jbat

the 17th probally wont sell out but the 16th has already sold out its. its probally beacause of the high ticket prices.? ::)

Why should axl be warm and jolly to mtv? they havent done him any favors, they didnt give him any positive coverage about the tour in 2002, they have not promoted him or acted enthusiastic about him now, they report about him in monotoned indifference really, and yet they seem to advertise and embrace velvet revolver . Kurt Loder used to adore axl in 92 and yet in 2002 he could have really shown enthusiasm interviewing axl and he didnt. The Politics in music is something axls never been especially good at...because hes a singer song writer performer. But now that merck is campaigning things are going smoother and axls getting positve exposure and feedback. Axls Music speaks for itself hes a Genius (keekee), he has a A lot of famous fans too  that love to watch his show, he got rave reviews for the new york performances in may 2006 and he got positive praise at rosario dawsons birthday bash. Merck is promoting and campaigning  and he knows how to get people talking and crowds interested in the concerts. its just the begining.....keekee 8)