Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Well, according to articles from HTGTH, Slash, Duff, Axl and Matt had begun recording a 13-track album in 1995. This continued until 1997. Duff said in an interview that there weren't going to be ballads and that it would be about thirteen tracks. Of course, this later turned into Chinese Democracy, but considering the fact that the New York Times article claimed there are practically thousands of archived demos and recording sessions tucked away in Axl's vault at the studio or whatever, doesn't that mean there are songs with Duff and Slash recorded from 1995-1997 that we haven't heard?

Granted, they were probably often left uncompleted and whatnot, but that still means the material is out there, as rough and unfinished as it may be. And since Duff seemed optimistic back when he gave an interview in '95 and it seemed that had already recorded a lot of stuff when he gave that interview, it must be somewhere.

And I very much doubt Axl would have destroyed all those recordings after they left...

So, in future years, after Chinese Democracy, and possibly after Guns N' Roses are *really* finished, don't you think it's highly likely Geffen will cash in on the band's status (years from now they will become even more legendary, you know) and release a lot of old, forgotten recordings and demos?

Look at the Beatles Anthology box set...I'm almost positive we'd have something similar to that twenty, maybe thirty years down the line...?

They didn't get anything done, as far as I know, during these years.  Matt was fired after the Illusion tour and then Slash and Duff quit in 1996.

Slash left in '96, Duff left in '97.

and i think slash left before matt got fired. A box set like the one described would be well cool.

It'd be awesome to have, don't get me wrong... I'd rather just have CD at this point.  :hihi:

i read a matt-interview here on the site, where he says, that they already recorded 7 about-4-min-tracks and that they are planning on recording 7 more. he didn't say that there were lyrics on them, but still... 7 tracks.

Something like Nirvana's With The Lights Out would be way fucking cool. But I don't think there is enough material.

I don't think we will ever see the "lost album".

There should really be at least a B-sides and rarities album just for fans down the road. With

Oh My God
Silkworms
Ain't Goin' Down
Just Another Sunday
Shadow of your Love
Heartbreak Hotel
Jumpin' Jack Flash
Cornshucker
Bring it Back Home

etc. and any tracks that are from that period that was mentioned. I mean, I have With The Lights Out. Frankly, it's not all that great (I was disappointed, I already had most of the tracks, in some cases I had better versions - i.e. the alternate take of Oh the Guilt wasn't good, plus I have tracks that were unreleased that they chose not to include) and I'd prefer to see the GNR one.

Some of those tracks were written after 1997 and the others are Appetite/Lies/Illusion demos.

The question was can we look forward to seeing stuff from the forgotten years.

I'd like to think we'll just hear new music.... Maybe after the band is done it'd be nice to hear something though....

matt was the last one to go. he was fired in 97.

I read a Sorum interview from 96/97 and he said that they have about 12 000 hours worth of recordings.
I also read a Duff interview from 96, and he said that the band has 16 songs written, and that they plan to release the album by summer '96.
Izzy also said that he used to write songs in that period, and on one ocasion in 00/01 Axl called him and asked if he could use those songs for Chinese Democracy.

so basically, the question remains. will any of those songs they worked on remain? and what happened with 12 000 of recorded material?
Also Zakk on one ocasion said that he used to jam with duff, and slash, and that some of those recordings are in duff's private wault.

there are lots of goodies we'd want to get our hands on, but the question is,.... will they ever see the daylight, ... or the internet.

It sounds unbelievable. 12 000 hours= 500 days!

I'd like to think after the huge sales CD and later albums will have, that there will ge a great demand for some rare stuff.

I'd love to hear some other studio recordings of Oh My God.

Matt quit before they could fire him, he quit when he walked out on Axl and Paul Tobias.

I thought Gilby said in his interview by Christos that there was no material left ?

wasnt he just in the band for the tour and TSI he wasnt there for illusion recordings and he wasnt on SFTD which was 1995 so what would he know was available

Gilby is referring to the 92-94 years when he was in the band. Its a tragedy that the lineup then never got to do any original material. They could have definitely gave the music world a swift kick in the ass in 94-95.

I'd like to see Izzy on CD, or at least his writing.  That kicks ass!

We may see all this material.... after Axl dies.

considering axl wont even release democracy its a pipe dream to see this 95-97 stuff

You seem so sure ... ::)

Even if they had stacks of shit in vaults, I just don't see GNR being the type of band to put out a box set like this.

That just shows how full of SHIT Matt are? ;) ;) ;)

Record companies release those costly and hugely over-priced box sets as tax write-offs. I don't think that any contemporary label owned by UMG is in a position to even consider doing something like that.

Maybe years down the road when GNR are no longer a going concern? When the rights to the recordings get kicked back to some warehousing label (like Columbia, or whatever the UMG equivalent is) then they'll trawl the vaults. 

12,000 x 60 = 720,000 mins, an average song = 4 mins: 720,000 divided by 4 = 180,000

180,000 songs - I don't think so.

i think WHEN the band reunites they maybe record an album and polish up those tracks an release them ?:hihi: :rofl:

(im praying)

yea, 12000 seems waaaay to high to me, he probablly meant 1200

Not to mention, 12000 hours = 500 days (nonstop recording)

he probably meant 12,000 minutes of recording...  That's much more probable, and makes a lot more sense.

I believe a prayer is all you'll have for the original band reuniting.

If even only for 4 songs I saw David Gilmore and Roger Waters on the same stage last year. If those 2 were able to put it aside there will be a day we see Axl and Slash on the same stage before we all die.

IT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.....LET'S GET A NEW FUCKIN' ALBUM FIRST AND THEN I WILL HAVE A USEFUL AND APPROPRIATE THOUGHT ON THIS TOPIC.....FUCK 95-97.....at least for now and the next 5 years......if it ever does happen we're looking at 15 years away at least. BUT IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN..... :peace:

The "lost album" and all the other stuff from those days would be very interesting to hear, as will all the stuff recorded from '98-'06 that doesn't make it on CD or the next two. A huge boxset of studio goof-offs, demos, unfinished songs, unreleased finished tracks, etc. would be super cool for the harcore fans (of which there will be many more by the time CD and the subsequent albums have run their course), but I can't imagine it coming out for many, many years. I'm a sucker for that kinda shit. I love to hear the different stages of songs and the stuff the band just didn't think was good enough.
          On the Warren Zevon tribute album from a few years back there was an unreleased song called "Studebaker" that his son sang. The song was fantastic, simply fantastic and I would love to one day hear Warren's version of it. My point is that artists may THINK such and such song is no good and toss it into the vaults never to see the light of day but such and such song really kicks ass. Axl's probably got a few gems locked away in the archives and I'd love to hear them one day. After the band unleashes CD and the subsequent albums, of course.

lol yeah I did read the question. The point was, we should get SOMETHING. It's not going to be the "lost album" because parts of it written by Slash/Duff belong to them really and that would be messy with the rights. What if a lick they did back then was later used in a VR song?

the only way it ever happens is if those guys wind up back in the band and even THEN it's doubtful.

So, I'd take a b-sides album of past and present. Part 1 - B-Sides past Part 2 - B-Sides present. just forget about the "lost" years. They were lost. Anything good Axl wrote then will be on CD (i.e. I'm expecting This I Love).

 :rofl:

Ya, when you look at it that way, that seems impossible. 1200 hours I can see. Even that would be a ton of material.

No reunion will happen. Ever. Axl said so during Trunk's interview. I don't see him changing is mind.

Plus it wouldn't be right for the guys in the band.

He could be talking about total time for all the individual tracks (drums, bass, guitars, etc).  If you assume that the tracks would have drums, at least three guitar tracks, bass, vocals (at least three tracks, probably) and then synths, keys, strings, horn sections...becomes a little more realistic - and then of course, many of them could be duplicates, ie. different takes of the same songs.

I have an old news report on video tape  from MTV back in '96-97 (when slash left the band,) where kurt loader reads a letter written by axl. that says there is (about) 13 new tracks and (about) 8 b-sides to be released within a year.  so for this to be even remotely true there must have been many tracks already started or somewhat complete.

I also read an magazine interview with duff, where the reporter asked about the unfinished songs from CD before he left. Duff said thoses songs weren't finished. and that he hopes that "contraband" would satisfy people becuse the CD album was never finished.

i guess matt meant by saying 12000 hours, that they just recorded a shitload of material. don't take verything seriously... c'mon...

Like I said...probably 12,000 minutes