Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Not sure how true this is, but thought i'd post it.

http://strigl.wordpress.com/

I believe it 100%. On the VMA stream, you could see Axl talking to John Ostronemy (sp?), who is Mark Strigl's friend and working buddy. I'm curious as to what they'll say about that conversation next Monday...

Well Bach is now signed with Sanctuary, so that part is true  :P

Not exactly sure are they. They need to get this album out at the start of the US tour because if they can't even sell out the second warmup show then how do they expect to do a full tour, they need the album now just as much as people want to hear it if they want to sell US tickets.

i guess interscope is quite sure it`ll come out this year, but they don`t want to make any firm announcements, before everything is 100% sure...

THAT

Axl is making amazing music without Slash. To be fair, Slash & Duff are making great (i would say "amazing" here) music without Axl.

SUMS EVERYTHING UP. END OF ALL STUPID DEBATES.

Is this even a proper reply to anything?? Anyway, it's good to hear at least from another source that this year may very well be "the year."  I do agree this album needs to be coming out or they should at least have a single out and starting promotion by the start of the tour. It would be horrible if this was just another '02 tour without an album.  For the first time MAYBE ever though, it seems like the odds are more for the album coming out this year, than for it NOT coming out.

EDIT: Does anyone else think that it's slightly odd that the "higher ups" of Interscope have only heard "some" of the tracks? Why wouldn't they have already heard the whole album by now, if it is indeed coming out soon??

Why would he only listen to 6 songs? He's that busy? Or are the other 6 presumed to be 'fillers' like on most albums.

The Talking Metal stalker was with Axl on the VMAs? I didn't know about that...

But the info seems pretty legit to me, IMO. Since Axl said its really comming out this year, why wouldn't someone from the company got a bunch of tracks to listen to? You know they will eventually...

Because maybe there's only six finished songs? Because to prevent more leaks? Because they needed proof of the finished songs?

Great. No one brought this debate here in this thread, tho.

it is odd, but who knows what is true and what isn't maybe only 6 songs had been mastered when he walked into the studio that day :hihi:

another thing...exec's prolly don't give a rats ass what it sounds like as long as it sells and makes top 5 in billboard charts :hihi:

That's an interesting news... probably  the most important piece of news on the album over the last few weeks.

yeah    more important than axl saying "it is this year himself" :hihi:

He really said "it is this year himself"? :hihi:

I'm taking this with a pinch of salt, although it is indeed a credible source.

I think we should try and keep a cap on the hype, if this is true, just so we don't get disappointed if nothing happens this year.

As we always should.

The heads of interscope wouldn't give a shite about hearing the whole album.  They are concerned with the $$$$ not the songs.  When you get that high up the chain, they wont care.

30 days has September,
April, June and November.
All the rest have 31
except the second month alone,
To which we 28 assign,
'til Leap Year gives it 29


Edit: before anyone reads too far into the above statment....I mean just hold your horses.  We'll either have a release date or we won't.

 :rofl: :rofl: yeah i was like WTF is he on about? :rofl: :rofl: I say less than a month between announcement and album :peace:

I read that as meaning he has heard six completed songs, he may well have heard the "works in progress" as well.

Can ANYBODY please copy and paste the whole article from the site? i cant get in.

Chinese Democracy before 2007
September 6th, 2006 at 4:47 pm (Rock)

Baz is now signed to Sanctuary management - just like GnR.

Again, this comes from inside Interscope: Jimmy Iovine (head of Interscope) has heard as many as 6 finished tracks off of Chinese Democracy. Interscope would like to get this album out soon? hopefully before the end of the year. ?? Quote from insider, ?It is really happening.?

Axl told John Norris the other night at the VMAs that it is coming this year.

My co-host on Talking Metal, John Ostronomy, was with Axl the other night - see news here. We will discuss this in next Monday?s episode of Talking Metal

Check out the RnR Geek show episode 190 for an intervew with Sebastian Bach. The Rock N Roll Geek show is my favorite podcast.

Also, A couple listeners of Talking Metal are starting their own podcast called ?The Right To Rock!? - check it out.

The new Maiden rocks!

I am traveling non-stop this month? Indiana, New Mexico, California, South Jersey?. Checking out from midtown Manhattan.

 : ok:

nice, thanks alot.

Jimmy Iovine (head of Interscope) has heard as many as 6 finished tracks off of Chinese Democracy.

badass...

If this is true it is NOT good news for us.  I mean he heard just 6 finished tracks?  If CD is really coming out this year then he would've heard the whole album by now.  This worries me a little.

If all the things were done, they would want to release the album now and not wait a couple of months.

maybe the 6 songs were so badass that he didnt have to hear the rest? ;P

pERHAPS>......

What could there be left to finish, it has to be done by now . . . . . hasn't it  :confused:

An album has 5 singles off it MAX!! That's all he was probably concerned about. Plus this guy does have a multi-million dollar company to run. Myb he's not much of a fan either.? I take this as positive news.

not worried a bit but I'd lean toward GNFNRAXL's opinion,
if these are true
Interscope "still has not ruled out a 2006 release date for Chinese Democracy. "
                  "would not be surprised if it comes out before years end"

in contrast
Axl             "'t this year! :D "
                 "absolutely! : ok: "

Shouldn't they be surprised if it doesn't come out before years end. nay?

This is true. :yes:

I wonder if Iovine thought it was good 'house music'.

That's the same thing, your just changing where you put the negative.

If memory serves me correct BBF had to go to the record company before the tour to listen to (and rehearse) the studio tracks, and he was only allowed to listen to the songs they planned to perform. So its likely they had these kicking around before the tour, and the rest of the album tracklisting was to be decided.

Sanctuary also confirmed that the 6 new tracks played live on this tour were on the album.

Hopefully talking metal will reveal more of the story!

P.S. I would want to hear all of CD if I was the head of Interscope. $13m is a big investment and its one of their high profile names

When Sanctuary confirmed that those 6 new tracks were on the album?

there's a nuance.
the first sentence sounds like the album may come out this year while the second one says it must be coming out this year.

In a press release after the NY gigs or after the tommy hill-something incident  I think. let me find it.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1636

Correct me if im wrong but isnt this quite an old piece of info. I remember a couple of months ago someone came on here with an account of a conversation that took place over lunch between Iovine and others in which he said he had heard finished tracks. Does this jog anyone elses memory?!

Jonx

To be fair and I'm quite shocked the second vegas night hasn't sold out but why are tickets 153.00 dollars face value and goin for more on ebay.

this is not significant news, Jimmy Iovine hasn't even heard the finished album yet

I said finished album. not finished tracks

That "hopefully" qualifier throws a wrench into my optimism

Who cares if this guy has heard six finished tracks off the new album. Practically everyone on this board has heard six finished tracks from the album.

You're right, but based on how well they're hitting all the AFD stuff note for note, I'd say the CD stuff we hear live is probably just like what's going to be on the new album.

nope..

Inferno, why do you say no. Do you think the BLues, Chinese Democracy, etc will sound different on the studio album? They've had four or five years to get it "right." I believe the way they're palying them now is the way they're going to sound on the album.

You mean "not album tracks" - we have studio versions of TWAT, Better, Catcher in The Rye and IRS.

Yeah, they have already "finished " the composition part, but how do you record it means everything to a song.
Listen to BETTER live and BETTER from studio and you'll know what i'm talking about.
AND, who knows this demos we have heardwill be the final tracks of the CD ( I doubt it even beacuse in the live recordings you can here much more things than in our demos - There are keyboards many times not included and AXL in UYI used to put much more vocal lines than in this demos ) so it is a complete diferent thing.

BUT gettint back to the topic ... THIS ARE ABSOLUTLY the best news WE HAVE EVER HEARD ABOUT THE ALBUM
Of 13 songs, 6 are done and Interscope have already heard em. It won't take long until they hear'em all.

I'm just saying that the live versions are the finished versions - this is what we're going to hear on the album (IMHO). I realize the studio version is going to be tweaked (you can hear that in the live versions). Also, while it's cool that the head of Interscope has heard six tracks I don't see what the big deal is. Bumblefoot said months ago (in an article posted here) that he was summoned to Geffen where he met with the band and execs to learn the songs. The execs have heard this stuff for months now.

He could use unfinished tracks to learn how to play it. This is not a point.

Didn't the label already reject a bunch of Axl songs a long time ago?

                        I remember a long time ago in a Spin Magazine article , a Label Rep. said that the Label supports Axl Roses's vision and weren't pushing him to finish the album. That was about 2 to 3 years ago.

                        I think if Axl's playing them for the Head of Interscope this shows you how the Label is gonna major league be behind this. I could see them going all out on MTV and doing a full court press.

                      If tickets are going for $ 153 bucks a pop....wow. Tours have had it hard this year. Dixie Chicks had the 1# album in the country at one point and had to cancel 14 shows off a tour and revamp it the rest of the way.

Yeah but the Dixie Chicks went and pissed the south off, pretty much every State south of Ohio will not spin their tracks at all and that hurt that tour bad.

As far as Interscope having heard the tracks, I don't think it really matters one way or the other. I mean, what are they gonna do? Push the album back if they don't like it? I sincerely doubt that at this point. If it's true that the record company has spent a gazillion dollars on this record I would think they wanna get it out ASAP to start recouping.

Given the utter lack of any sort of quality control in the music industry these days, I don't think Interscope gives a damn what the album sounds like. If they wanted to release three singles off the album though, well, they might ask for six or so of the most likely candidates to pick from.

I'm sure that's got something to do with it as well.

Maybe he heard other 6 songs we didn't hear even on live versions... the big guns?

I don't think Axl ever planned to go solo, and if he did he never signed with a label.

If you mean GNR, those were just rumours.

demos are studio songs dude

That is correct people :yes:

Havinf said that, I still don't see a HUGE difference other then sonic quality between the demos and the finalized product.

They're not demos in the normal snese - not like the bonus tracks on Night at the Rotz, they're obviously much mmore developed than that - especially TWAT.  IRS maybe less so.

no, that`s not true dude.....

demos are rough recordings, recorded in a studio.

this fact makes them studio versions as well...  you`re talking about album versions.

or don`t you consider better being a studio version??

Better is defiantley studio version. i think it sounds pretty damn close to a final product to me.

I think we have heard more new GNR tracks then the head off sucking head.

Jimmy Iovine is one of the most on hands exec in the music industry...the guy listens to everything his bands produce and at times he has a heavy hand in deciding the final track list.  When a high profile artist like GNR is readying a new album, he will guaranteed listen to the whole thing.  Especially after sinking millions of dollars into the recording there is no way he going to go on blind faith with Axl. 

The 6 songs he's heard are IRS, Better, TWAT, Catcher, Chinese Democracy, and probably either Madagascar or Blues.  These are the same songs, we've already heard in one form or another.  If there are other songs out there...then where are they and why is Axl only playing the leaked songs on tour?  My feeling is there are no other songs.  Axl is just trying to buy time until he records more.

The fact that Iovine has only heard 6 songs is not a good sign.  With licensing, clearence, production, promotion and legal BS, an album can take 3 - 6 months to get to the CD shelves.  All albums coming out this year have already been sent to their labels to ready for release.  If GNR's album isn't there...it's not going to be a 2006 release.

In 2002, Axl promised us an album..."very soon."  If "very soon" in Axl means 4 more years...then "this year" means at least an additional 6 months.

I predict...August 2007.

Don't be so nagative, album will be out soon,  he's heard the 6 tracks he did not hear before, I'm sure he heard the 6 other tracks before (just like we all did? :) ), the well known ones CD, Mad, blues, better, twat, catcher, irs. So i'm thinking he's heard 6 (or 7) +6 (new ones)? = 12? (13) = CD ;D

dude!!  you don`t know which songs he listened to!!



yeah... before twat, IRS and better leaked people like you also said there weren`t even any studio versions of new gnr songs existing and axl never even recorded vocals etc... i smell bullshit... 

are you working in that business, or are you just pretending to have a clue?


in 2002 he also said "soon is not the word".........by the way......   i never heard him say anything else than "this year" in the last 7-8months or so....


i really don?t like your way of making your random guesses look like facts. axl said this is the year and that?s the plan at the moment....  do you seriously think axl would tell the pubilc he`s going to release CD this year, if it wasn?t even possible, because the record label doesn`t have the album yet or for whatever reason???

A.  I worked in the music industry for about 5 years...as a freelance DJ and a radio station GM/Music director.  I had very good connections with friends who worked for Interscope in Westwood.  I know exactly how long an album takes to get out.
B.  Everything on these message boards are random speculation!!!  Who are you kidding?
C.  To answer your last question,...that's a big "yes."

DOnt confuse people.. ******

What is wrong with you people?? What Axl said in 2002 was that "soon" wasn't the word.

He's said the album will be out this year twice. It'll be out this year.

If you guys want to hear the likely difference between the demos we have now.. and what we'll probably get.. listen to the boston radio promo from 2002. Im surprised more people don't mention that.

Studio clips of Chinese Democracy, Maddy, and The Blues... and they sound much better than the demos we have right now. The drums actually sound like real drums.. Axl sounds great.. ect.

I don't judge the album based off the demo.. but more off that radio promo. (Though it could end up being much better)

are you sure those are studio clips?  I recall several debates over the years, and from my recollection it has always been decided that they are re-mastered soundboards...  i can't remember what show (I don't have the boston clip anymore)

can someone refresh my memory?

Im positive they're studio. Listen to the intro of CD. And Axl's voice. Definitly studio.

For all of the people who dn't have the promo...

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B3A3C96600E3B1CB (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B3A3C96600E3B1CB)

EDIT: Upon listening to it.. there is definitly some crowd noise.. but it sounds dubbed in. Seriously, im 99% sure this is studio.

thanks for the clip

i don't know enough about it, but i swear this has been discussed before and at the time me (along with everyone else) seemed pretty convinced...  someone cited the exact show they came from

IF you dont want to call IRS, Better, TWAT and CITR demos that is fine. Then call them rough cuts. But they are not finalized by any means.

The Boston promo is obviously studio clips. I'm 100% sure. Listen to Axl's vocals and Robin's guitar on Chinese. There was already the Richard's outro solo in The Blues and the promo was aired BEFORE the NA Tour - when he started to play it live.

About the demos... Well, these days you can easily build a finished track with the demos outtakes. So, yes, they are studio demos, but not properly mixed and/or mastered - I mean, it's just a rough mix for a demo. I'm sure some tracks used in those demos (except maybe for CITR) will be used on the finished track.

Is the Boston promo that you guys are talking about the one thats often attached to the DVD bootleg of the Boston 02 show?

If it's different I'd really like to hear it!

Well, it is, but the mp3 (already posted on this thread) has a clip of The Blues too...

Thats not always true. For example, Rivers Cuomo from Weezer did the demos for Songs From The Black Hole/Pinkerton on an 8track player at him home or something to that extent

Yeah there was some bullshit discussion about that a number of years ago. Some guy claimed he knew the person that put the Boston promo together and that the guy had just cleaned up soundboards but that argument never made any damn sense to me for a few reasons. One was that at a Flyers game in Philly there was a promo for the upcoming show and they used the same clip from Chinese Democracy that was used in the Boston promo. I thought it kinda strange that some Boston guy made a promo and then sent it around the country for others to use.
 ? ? ? ? ? Also, the outro guitar solo from the Blues was never played that way until after the promo was made, at least as far as I can tell. I could never hear that guitar solo played on the European bootlegs. I even posted that comment at the time. I was being a smartass and saying the Boston guy that supposedly remastered live recordings must have played that awesome guitar solo himself and added it to the song and GNR liked it so much that they started playing the song that way.
 ? ? ? ? ?Those reasons, and the obvious reasons of the guitar intro to Chinese Democracy sounding drier and scratchier than in concert and Axl's voice sounding very studio on Chinese Democracy and Madagascar, are why the promo was studio. 100% sure.

With $13million+ supposedly spent on this album, I'm sure they'd "give a shite"

do you guys think that mysteron has heard the songs?

No I don't. But we're all going to be heariing it before the end of the year according to "uncle Axl"     :beer:

The album is done. ?: ok:

Yeah, probably. Do you think Jarmo has heard some of the finished material?

No way dude.

no he will not hear it before any other fans you gotta remember jarmo is just a fan just like us but a fan that have made the best gn'r site.. if someone on this board have heard it it's mysteron and maybe fernando or what he's called..

shock horror the guy actually might be a big fan of GNR!

even if not the kudos of being one of the few to hear it would be enough