Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Do you think it'll be announced by the record co.?  Or by the artist?
(Who traditionally handles that?)
Do you think it will be a statement released to the media (press release)
Do you thin there will be a press conference?
An MTV News special?
or do you think that one day real soon...   you will get on your computer...
gnronline is going to load.... and then there it is for all the world to discover?

I have NO idea...   The press release seems par for the GN'R course.

so what do you guys think it will be?
and what would YOU like to see....?

Well read on newgnr.com that:

"I just heard on the radio about three hours ago that Axl might be sueing Geffen because they won't release Chinese Democracy, supposibly because it sucks according to 100.3 WHEB. The greatest hits album is supposibly the replacement. I'm not sure how true it is but its the first I've heard in a while about GNR on this station. Hopefull its bullshit."

here is the link: http://www.newgnr.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=4074

Maybe it could never be released if it's true...
now, if it's bullshit, I think more news will be available around Rio.

MTV news special?  

Press conference?  

You're kidding, right?

Press release from the record company would be the smart bet.

I hope something very,very big. really. The black and white screen on MTV with "Guns" "N" "Roses" Chinese Democracy" "comming soon" would be the perfect thing. no sound. I hope this new band will be huge.
Fortus can bring a lot of people to this new Guns n' Roses. Fortus has all to be a Superstar: the "Rock n' Roll" attitude, the talent, the feeling and the look. He is the perfect guy for this band. I would have loved to see him play with Slash in the band. He is the most attractive new member so far.

Do you mean that either of those things are too far fetched?  or do you mean that either of those things would not be a good way to do it?  What do you mean? ???

Cuz.. uh.. no I wasn't kidding. >:(

I'm happy Richard will be bringing the 11 Love Spit Love fans with
him....

yeah that does sound cool
 :drool:

Yes, I believe a press conference (with Axl) and an MTV News special are far fetched.

Any mode of promotion involving Axl and an open forum of questioning is highly unlikely.

well, Richard Fortus WILL bring a lot of people to the band, trust me, he is already a superstar for me. However, fink and buckethead could destruct nearly all that potencial of new fans. They are certainely among the less attractive people in the whole music industry (maily because of their terrible looks). they are the perfect anti-success kind of guys. I just hope fortus will bring more new fans that fink and buckethead will "destruct".

What kind of crap is this? They all have something that will bring new fans to the group. You sound like a record exec for a boy band!

Back on topic...I hope we hear something in the next few weeks like Mysteron said.

I hope too. it is time now. 2004 must be the year.

Label issues a release date -and- a group photo of the band!
Come out with a kickass single. Maybe a video as well?
gnronline is updated.

one can dream.

Does it matter?I just want CD to come out.

Dude, Besides being a session player, Richard's onlyclaim to fame is Love Spit Love's cover of The Smiths "How Soon Is Now" featured on the soundtrack the movie "The Craft".  

That's it.

I find your fixation on GNR'sthird guitarist a little more than weird, basing his relevence to the band solely on his "look" while denegrating the look and stage presence of his bandmates.

May I suggest you start a Richard Fortus website to fulfill whatever whacky notion you have in regards to his place in all things New GNR...

it'll probably be a big press release, and i'm thinking closer to the release date than would be expected. hopefully after that, MTV and other places pick up on it and consider it news (which they should, since it is big news.)
i'm tired of hearing that chinese democracy is going to suck. the songs we've heard already would be good enough for a decent rock album, that any record company should want to put out, and you know none of those songs will be the big first single they must be planning.
i am however getting more and more worried. i'll be devestated if we see the same old set at RIR and axl says nothing other than some lame "we'll be back next year with a new record," or something. i want to see it soon... there's no better time to release this than within the next few months. the audience is there.

Press release by Geffen and hopefully Kurt Loder interviewing Axl on MTV.

axl running naked on 5th avenue holding a huge " BUY MY CD ! " sign  :smoking:

Wow. You really don't know anything about anything.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

After which he would promptly fall flat on his ass, revealing his goolies to the world. A cameraman takes a snap, and Axl goes over and uses Bucketheads nunchuckas to beat the stuffing out of him.

He then becomes national news, and is a recognised badass once again.

Sorta  ;D

For gawds sake...

Some of u seem to think anything Axl touches turns to gold. Are u talking about Fortus or Jimi Hendrix in the above? ::)

You will ALL wake up with the release date tattoed on your asses, but it will be difficult to read in the mirror because it will be backwards, so go get a friend to check your ass QUICK!

GO NOW!!!!! CHECK YOUR ASS !!!!!!

damn! i just ran inside and dropped my pants yelling "when?! when's the release date!?! good lord WHEN!" - but nothing. now i'm so embaressed.
oh well, i'll try again tomorrow.

Press release, maybe with an interview, and gnronline update, then, massive promotion.

Would be great if, before that, GH had a sticker with CD release date, but I don?t think it will.

How do you think CD reelase date will be announced?

I guess that says it all.

May 51st

God even your avatar is annoying...


And on topic, I also could care less so long as there is a cd released soon!

how? not.

one day, you will visit your local record shop and look at gnr and there it will be... "the chinese democracy"

when? when pigs fly...  :rofl:

Either PR, or straight from Axl's mouth (prolly while on stage)...or both.

Probably right after they tell the world that there is no longer a GN'R

I Guess axl will be spotted by paparazzies or something when he wants to, and tell it like that before the official statement...

What's your illusion?

Boredoom thread number 89475893576  :yes:

Nah, nothing that exciting...management will pass the word to Geffen or something and they will release it on a website .....no tv, no paparazzies, no flashy AXL pics on the covers of all magazines.

My guess is press release with maybe some quotes from Axl.

That's why I don't really believe in all the rumored release dates.


/jarmo

We will hear the voice of God and he tells us, that 'Tomorrow is the last day of your lives, the doomsday'. And after a short silence he'll add: 'And Guns N' Roses' long-awaited album, called Chinese Democracy, will be released a day after tomorrow'.

I think that after all this time, Axl must have this shit all planned-out to happen in sequence.

A single will likely be released with a video first.

Shortly after that the full album release date will be announced.

Of course, Axl's not an easy to understand guy and also very unconventional.

So, in saying that, I'll most definitely be totally wrong.

Who knows??? ??? Only Axl.

Hope it's in it's final stages now, and bein wrked out releas date

Or axl putting finsihing blessings on the album,

Pour that shit with holy water  ;)

nah, Axl cant get along with those paparazzies (dtalkin'jive, get in tha ring), I believe in something huge but something with understatement.
But perhaps a slim and simple style
anouncement (jarmo said before)
would do great

Out of general courtesy and appreciation for some of the most loyal fans I think that CD should be announced here.

Now this would be cool...

A new thread is started by a board member. Its sounds convincing, but in the usual fashion, everyone dismisses it as bullshit. From out of nowhere Sanctuary announce the release date. Suddenly everybody realises this mysterious board member is in fact Axl Rose, the board goes into overdrive. Several members suffer heart attacks, steam starts to come out of Jarmo's servers.

Axl apologises for not answering the 10 questions that Merck sent him a while back, and then spends the day discussing the album, tour, making of Chinese Democracy and plans for the future.   :drool:





 

I think that Axl has spent too much time for "putting the finishing touches" on the album for not having exactly planned it's release. I don't have a concrete idea of how this could happen, maybe there will be a video and a single - that's something I'd like to see. I could also imagine that Guns play at a huge show or festival and announce it there - something like the VMA's... but whatever it is, I think it'll rock!

Illusion? Fiction? Imagination? I must have a go.

Out of the dark midnite sky, all the GNR members show up at one solo gig of a member, let's say Tommy?s, and drop the bomb. Soon after the event occurs it throws all the GNR boards (yes some of us have to be at the spot) into utter confusion that eventually spreads to MTV, the radios and so on. Then a few days later an official announcement is made. The album n tours are on the way, the first video airs and then all the hell brakes loose. Meantime, the band goes ahead with a secret gigs regardless of the din and bustle. One day in Oslo, the next day in Melbourne?

:rofl:

I was going to say:

There will be a loud roar from the heavens, the earth will shake, the planets will align and the sky will turn dark.  Then after a few moments of this terror, the dark clouds will part, a ray of light will shine down upon the record store, and we hear a voice that says "Behold, Chinese Democracy begins now"

thats poetry dude  :peace:
but that tomorrow thing, I cant stop thinking........... thinking bout thinking! NO BAD OBSESSION! but all nature want to feel enlightet now! no more timewastin

yeah... :drool:

i think some untraditional way, hints followed by formally offical statment


 :hihi: so kewl :beer:

a)? At 65 years of age, Axl will officially announce his retirement from whatever it is he's doing. He'll release all the recordings that have been going as closure for his fans.

or


b) Axl releases a press statement stating that Chinese Democracy will be enclosed in a time capsule and is not to be opened until 125 years after his death.


:peace:

 :nervous:  :confused:
That would be the nightmare of my life.....  :no:  :crying:

Everyone will recieve an email, with Chinese Democracy being the subject. Of course we'll all open it, and then the next day in the post, a very small parcel will arrive. Inside the parcel will be a chip (sciencey chip, not a chip as in Fish n' Chips). We attach the chip into the USB port in our computers, and then a file will be installed onto the computer, telling us how to get the ChiDem album in five simple steps. We follow these steps, and a rumbling is heard from the heavens. A voice in our heads (Axl's)? tells us to go outside. We do, and five seconds later, the album, in all its blazing glory drops into our hands.
The next day, the newspapers are having a field day with this surprise arriving of Chinese Democracy, and the new topic on HTGTH is "How Did Chinese Democracy Arrive?" Not "When Will Chinese Democracy Arrive?".
And Axl releases a press statement saying that his explanation is "Nearly Finished" and we should hear it in October.
 :hihi: :rofl:

GNR management will buy 24 h of showtime on everyfuckin tv network in the world
and on every tv screen in the world, there will be a black screen, with a countdown
and by 8 pm, a release date appears.

My brain tells me:  A small press release coupled with a Rolling Stone cover article/interview with the reclusive one...and band members...to coincide with a single and album release date...however, if reception for first single is cool, all bets are off on the release date, and Axl will be up to his delaying shenanigans once again.   :o

My heart tells me:  Super Bowl Sunday.   :drool:   : ok:

yeah, that would be pretty sweet!!! :drool: in oslo... me hearing it first... i'd come here and make a new thread get slammed and banned and then taken back into the wormth when you all found out that i wasn't lying eh :o

Axl, get Tommy to to do a pressrelease and tell us the release date, so we cant blame Axl if "he has to put some final touches" on CD

"And in entertainment news tonight, 80's rock star Axl Rose, lead singer of the formerly popular group, Guns N' Roses has died at the age of 72.  In related news, Mr. Rose's often-delayed album Chinese Democracy will be released within the week."

A very small press release is sent out, basically saying Guns N' Roses will be holding a press conference somewhere in LA in about a week. They don't tell what will be announced, though it would be pretty obvious. MTV and VH1 will both broadcast the event live, as well as a few of the bigger rock stations. At about dinner the day of the event, the press conference goes live, all band members present. Axl gives a little speech about how much this project has meant to him over the years and that he's so excited about getting the material out there, and that the band are very confident that it will have been worth the wait, and he says 'And without further adieu...', then the lights go out. A screen lights up with all this riot footage and Chinese propaganda footage and whatnot, then the release date starts flashing all over the screen. Then the screen says 'Freedom Has Arrived Outside - Go.' The people go outside and GNR play the new single out in the parking lot of the Staples Center or wherever. There would obviously be a lot of people outside to fill the crowd out. At the end, Axl just starts yelling the release date again. Then for the rest of the day, there's a "GNR Van" painted black with the cover art, the GNR star, and the release date painted all over it, while the new single is booming through the speakers as it's driven around LA all day and night...

?
 :rofl:

a short wise wisard with white hair will raise his hands in the air and say, "it has begun"? :nervous:

Axl won't be playing the VMA's again for awhile.
Kurt Loder pissed him off last time.

how, why? didn't axl say thanks for the rio review???

lol

where did you get that, sounds like a classical axl tidbit!

Due to people trying to call me a liar I won't be sharing anymore info like this with ANY of the people on this board.

"Fan/Friend",

the place you were looking for is not HTGTH, but mygnrforum.com. Maybe they will take all your BULLSHIT!

 :rant:

Fan / Friend, stop making shit up.....PLEASE.

Ummmm, okay, you don't have to believe anything I say.
Like I said.
That's a direct quote.
You don't wanna believe that, I will also be sure not to talk about C*D and what I know about that.

if you new anything about Cd you would have spoken about it already.

plus if you are truly a friend of Axl or the band you would probably not say much regarding CD because friends usually honor friends wishes.

And we thank you for that  : ok:

And honoring a friends wish is why I'm here, but I will leave if you don't want to have updates.
I do know about C*D.
Like the fact that it was gonna be multi disc with 47+ tracks, but Axl was forced to cut it back and that's part of the reason it's taking so long.
Believe what you will, I don't care.

lollllllllllllllllllllllll

Get back on topic.



/jarmo

Gun's boaards are so lame these days.
No wonder Axl doesn't come on them anymore.
I was warned and shoulda listened.

:idea: maybe sanctuary announce it first?

Will it be via the official website?

Will he make a surprise visit on TRL?? (god that'd be so funny)

Interview with rolling stone or some big rock pub?

Call in to a radio station?

A post on HTGTH?? ;)


I think when/if CD is announced it'll be more exciting then any song leak...just KNOWING there is an ACTUAL date to look forward too.

He'll probably announce it in the middle of a world tour.

Press Release.

Oh My Choking Smile will announce on the HTGTH msg board.  : ok:

half right, press confrence  ;)

YA THINK??  ???

I just talked to a record store owner I've known since I was like 14... he said he heard its coming out for sure and possibly by late March, early Feburary. He also said he's had like 5 calls in the last few days regarding the release. ?:peace:

where? when? how?  more details...use your imagination (or illusion, hehe) here! :)

yeah! But i still miss the website!

i want a website, with the first single, maybe the video in steaming.
where they put up a story, some promopictures. and tour dates

I heard that too....from Slash. ;)

No I won't. My last post that is locked was wrong. Sorry.

where? nyc maybe? when? when they are ready? how? press conference. there is no details lol

He'll run out of his manshion and scream the announcement at the top of his lungs. In doing that, he'll also prove that he still has a voice.

early feb huh?  :rofl:

Where do these owners of record stores get their info? ?Hmmm...all of these calls to these stores for CD does bring more GN'R publicity ?: ok:

Axl will announce it on some radio station live, while he's having sex...

How can you expect people to know how they'll do it?

The most obvious is a press release or conference...

via cryptic statements on MTV

Already been announced. Bad news is that the announcement is currently in the middle of the ocean inside a coke bottle. Go on. Live your life. Soon isn't the word, and if it doesn't make it you wont have missed a thing. :hihi:

Not expecting people to KNOW how....just wondering what they THINK.

Your idea would be pretty bad ass though! haha ;)

Axl will start a phone chain in America first then it will branch out internationally and when you get the phone call.. The album is suddenly in your mailbox and a giant black mail truck will be seen driving away.

March 14, 2006

There it is official.  :hihi:

nope.

Are you Madagascar88 or Axl Rose Child? Or are you a new fake with top secret info?

I hope you can read your pm's, cause now you got 2 of them...

Who?

Neither, honestly.

It's Pure! He's back........ :beer:

if it WAS the end of March, wouldn't it be March 28, a Tuesday?

-darknemus

ping

Honestly, I am nobody you know under any other name on these boards. If I am full of shit, it's not because I lied.

yes it is

I agree. You would definately think so, unless it wasn't an American release date. I think there is something wrong with the 26th date, I was too excited when my source told me and should not have taken that info as cannon, I also should not have posted that. It is a rumor and it was right to lock that post. Also, the fact that sanctuary has not posted a date within an hour of me getting that makes me more skeptical. However, my source stands by that claim. Oh well.

source my ass >:(

Your ass knows when CD will be released :nervous: :nervous: :hihi:

Oh My Choking Soul,

The part of your "info" about an iTunes announcement stuck out to me. It would offer an explanation on how these tracks could be unfinished today, yet released in March. It would be much easier to do an exclusive iTunes release within a short time than a full disc printing.

I'm not sure how he'll announce it but I don't see a press conference from Axl himself.

I think we'll get a press conference from Merck in the next few weeks. He will say something along the lines of:

"2005 is th....oh wait....2006 is the year of Guns N' Roses"

Axl will march through Beijing, screaming Democracy has started and for the people to rebel. 

Hmmm, never thought of that....that would be something wouldn't it?  Has any other band ever done something like that?  That'd be a COOL online campaign too...you just start to see banners in wierd places saying "chinese democracy is here"...click on it, takes you to itunes to download the entire album.

What i'm really hoping is those of us who gave our emails to the official site will get some special discount or advance copy or something for CD.  I know I was able to get tix early through a promocode on an email I got from the official site...good thing too b/c MSG sold out in 15 mins!  lots of long island dudes LOVE their 80s rock hahaha

i somehow hope a new GNR official site will launch and with it the release date!!!

I hear ya...funny how I've been checking the official site on a daily basis the past few days.  I NEVER used to go there (why would I!)

With a press release by Geffen or Universal Records. Shortly after, another press release by Sanctuary management, citing Axl's words, will be made public.
Let's hope soon is the word. :beer:

this is a hilarious idea, maybe for a video or parody!!!

march 15 is the ides of march,

I believe Eminem's Curtain Call, although released on iTunes and on CD on the same day, had some bonus tracks that were "pre-relased" to iTunes subscribers to pre-purchased.

So you get the bulk of the songs the same day in either format, but supposed that you pre-purchased a week before release you had some bonus tracks for that week ahead of the CD release. ? If that makes sense.

Something similar happened with Madonna too I think.

Thats pretty cool...I would LOVE if they did something really unique with this release...create tons of buzz and get lots of exposure.

Maybe it'll just show up in stores one day

As soon as possible the way things are going now...

Since Axl 've already  told us that this is the year, which way do you think CD release date will be announced?

There will be an official press release?
There will be only an update at gnronline.com??
There will be a "leak" form an insider (i.e. Mysteron  : ok:) in this site maybe, so that people will actually start to talk about it and spread the word out?
Axl himself will do the big announcement?

This will be fun, cause all this silence from the GnR camp and all this mystery about CD , makes me think that it cant be a proper, clean- cut  press release  ;D

Me and this friend of mine , who works in a music TV channel, have this bet - i say that Axl will do the announcement and he thinks that there ll be a leak in this site!  :o

i just hope that this will be the year indeed, cause otherwise i d loose a lot of money!  ;D

On Top of a building in Times Square, lol.

 ;D that was funny.....never thought of that scenario.....!

Inland Invasion would seem appropriate. The First LA gig in 15 years. The homecoming, so to speak. 20 years from GnR started getting popular in that area. It's an appropriate place for confirmation. It will probably leak or there will be loads of rumours before that however. Mysteron certainly won't be announcing or leaking it though.

It seems to me that people have a way of speculating everything, like it's gonna be some huge cool thing to happen, and it usually seems to happen in a normal way.  It's like the VMA, everyone was like "Surely Axl will take the opportunity on national television to announce CD" but then all he did was present, just like he was supposed to.  So, my bet is a normal release date announcement.  He will probably announce it at a tour date, and then there might be a few commercials, an MTV news story, all that business.

It would be really cool if the album just turned up in stores one day.   :)

they should project it onto a famous landmark for all to see... then follow up by announcing album launch parties in several major cities worldwide and stores announcing they will open at midnight like the Illusions... man, it would gather pace very quickly!!  :beer:

As usual,
first a Press release will be sent out on the net and the news will run throughout the globe at once. 

   I know there is another thread ?why didn?t Axl announce the release date at the VMA?s?. and I don?t really want re-open that can of worms but? man.

   The GNR camp never ceases to amaze me. It?s all about marketing/business how can you reach the most amount of people in a certain time frame. I mean it doesn?t matter who releases an album the product needs marketing and the more the name is out there?the better. Not only are other musicians always ?out there? promoting their albums at every opportunity they are also not out of the ?spotlight for 15 years?.

Hype!!

   Of course it would have been gay if Axls walks out with the announcement sewn on the ass of his frickin? jeans (didn?t Macy Grey do that?). But there are a million and half really creative ways to do it and  to make it unforgettable, after all the money/time invested in this project there should have been  be a Team of marketing Brains working at a Strategic Retreat in the Arizona dessert (so all the ?forces? are on Axls side).

  Either this was decided a longtime ago and the GNR camp are waiting to execute that plan (and that plan only) and we all have no idea at all what that could.  But I think it should be something huge to shoot this Album (which will be awesome, no doubt) and this band (awesome too) straight to the top bigtime like:

A free show on the Great Wall of China playing CD start to finish or

in Tiananmen Square (easier access) or

On a floating stage in the Hong Kong Harbor

(I?m thinking huge like Floyd in Pompeii, or The Gratefuldead in front of the Pyramids)

Broadcast a song or 2 worldwide live on TV/Radio/Internet. Money raised donated to Human Rights groups in China.

But seeing how a U.S Tour is already booked or being booked looks like none of my ?bright ideas? could/or will happen?.(you gotta admit it would be cool though?

 IMO they really fucked up not doing something in front of that huge audience at the VMA?s

If they come out with a damn billboard on Sunset or even worse an announcement on a bloody web-site that even I as a die hard never look at, it's going to be harder than most people think, people just aren't holding their breath for a new GNR Album that's why I think this album needs all the promotion it can get.

 

Unfortunately, I think there will not be anything special. Just look at the so called "official" GN'R website (gnronline)... no need to say more... there are really some incompetent persons working for GN'R.... I tell you. This band may be the worst promoted/marketed band in 2006. Even the Amateurs/auto-produced/independant bands do a better job in term of promotion.

You know what? if nothing change, ChiDEm will be released, nothing special will be made for this album, it will reach #1 the first week and then will quicky fade away and deseappear within a couple of month, even weeks, like the Tool album. and that's it.

Tons of things could be made to make it special, but it seems there is no motivation in the Guns Camp and Management to make this thing the best and the biggest it can be. For exemple, Why the hell the bandmembers aren't allowed to speak? to give interviews? to get some interest? Why the communication is so poor? Why everything is "locked" by contracts and shits like that? it just give the impression they want to hide. Not to be successfull.

Nequick I agree 100%,

There are alot of tools working  or not working in the promo dept in behalf of this band. I hope to hell your not right that this album will fade away within weeks but it's how music works these days. It won't fade for us fans though and I guess that's what counts.

When you look at the Madonna crew, that's what I call a marketing team. She has the best people around her, she is everywhere, Her management always has tons of ideas. You know, they all do a fucking great job to make madonna the most successfull possible. and it works! 4 sold-out nights at Bercy Arena? in Paris last week! I mean... FOUR.
Now compare with GN'R... dawn...this is really scary.

One word: lack of professionalism. Incompetence.

I think when the record is released it will be a double album, it will be a blank cd-r, thus letting u create your own chinese democracy album the way that you want it to sound, using the 4 leaked demo tracks and the best live tracks of silk worms, chinese democracy, the blues, and madagascar.  The other cd will be custom made software authorized by Axl and the band to mix it anyway that you choose. What do u all think?  ;D

I believe it'll just sort of happen.  No big pomp and circumstance.  I'll probably turn on the radio one day and hear a DJ say, Chinese Democracy is set to be released...........  That's how I heard about the Hammerstein gigs, before they were announced. 

Oh quit passing the blame.. I'm by no means a Madonna fan but have you considered the fact that maybe, just maybe, the fact that she has put out 5 or so albums in the last 15 years contributes to her popularity. Her fans that grew up with her buy her albums, as does some of the younger generation. That might be what keeps her in the limelight.

The reason it's hard to market GnR over the last several years is they are hard to market. No recent songs/albums.. What if in 2002 they announced a date & released a single, it would have been a joke. Same thing with February with the leaks. You geniuses would have issued a press conference and released Better as the new single, and now 7 months later would be into the 3rd single WITH NO DATE FOR THE ALBUMS RELEASE!! It's easy for you all to play Monday Morning Quarterback and say what everyone else is doing wrong with GnR, but your not the ones calling the shots, and misjudgements you all posted in the past on this messege board aren't exposed to the worldwide public. I'd love to see how many posts there were in February saying "Why don't they just release 'Better' as a single already".


The only suggestion I read throughout 7 pages of posts is he should have made an announcement during the VMA's.. ?  :nervous:  That's it, that's the best you can suggest?  That really would have started the hype? I think they'll be just as good off if they do it the way they'll probably end up doing it, give a press release, MTV & DJ's pick up on it, broadcast it. Give a date that stations will receive a single. Fans tune in that day to listen. It works for every other band, why does GnR have to have such an ingenious marketing plan?

I think it's funny reading all the comments from years ago like - There should be an announcement next week - or something like that.

I don't care if he puts a fake tatoo on his chest running down the street in his underwear. I just hope that it comes out this year like Axl said.

a xmas cracker