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Title: Japanese Democracy
Post by: JohnMorrison73 on September 05, 2006, 04:04:49 PM
i wonder what new gnrs SECOnd album will be like.. what if chinese democracy is renamed? that will be weird


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: nonlinear on September 05, 2006, 04:08:17 PM
japan is a democracy  :-\


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: AdZ on September 05, 2006, 04:08:59 PM
..Right.  Makes sense.


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: Mandy. on September 05, 2006, 04:49:51 PM
And why Japanese? Why couldn't it be something like Mexican Democracy?


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: Ellroy on September 05, 2006, 04:54:23 PM
American Democracy? Or perhaps Democratic Republic of Congo Democracy? United Arab Emerates Democracy, the list goes on.


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: russtcb on September 05, 2006, 04:56:09 PM
American Democracy? Or perhaps Democratic Republic of Congo Democracy? United Arab Emerates Democracy, the list goes on.


or maybe........ get this........ a whole NEW title that the world hasn't even heard of let alone talked about for 7 years!


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: CAFC Nick on September 05, 2006, 04:56:38 PM
How about...

"Democracy for the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia"?


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: PrettyTiedUp763 on September 05, 2006, 04:57:59 PM
 :hihi: We don't even have the Chinese Democracy album yet and everyone is thinking about what's next...But I do like CAFC Nick's suggestion..."Democracy for the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia"? It's got a nice ring.? :beer:


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: nonlinear on September 05, 2006, 04:58:17 PM
it's too bad that axl isn't using this album as an opportunity to comment on the bush administration and its war machine

it would actually be kinda appropriate to call it 'american democracy,' which is about as far-fetched as 'chinese democracy'


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: Shirell on September 05, 2006, 05:04:04 PM
The Great British Democracy has a nice ring to it! :yes:


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: 25 on September 05, 2006, 05:24:29 PM
it's too bad that axl isn't using this album as an opportunity to comment on the bush administration and its war machine
Yeah, it's a pity that he isn't using this opportunity to take a stab at a passing political breeze and print it onto everlasting cd technology. It would be a really good idea to use this comeback to attack our moron president 6 years too late instead of trying to make a great rock album. What is Axl thinking?!




Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: nonlinear on September 05, 2006, 05:25:33 PM
go away


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: 25 on September 05, 2006, 05:26:41 PM
Ooh, I am cut to the core. Heartache, agony, etc.


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: nonlinear on September 05, 2006, 05:28:55 PM
i hate internet bullies  :nervous:

wow, looking back through your posts i can see that you are a quite angry and aggressive little man  :hihi:


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: bazgnr on September 05, 2006, 05:30:05 PM
Or the Axl / Sebastian duet, "Chinese Damnocracy."

Sorry.  I couldn't stop myself.   :beer:


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: Skinflick on September 05, 2006, 05:39:52 PM
Jesus Christ!!!!!!!!!!! :rant:...we really need an album soon. We are running out of interesting things to post here. I mean for fucks sake. I am including myself. I have NO idea what to post. :confused: The only thing I can think of is to post an e-mail I sent that New York newspaper on their mistake of saying Axl Rose was a "former member of GNR" who was at the VMA'S. I sent them an angry e-mail and they actually replied. Pretty funny but I don't think you guys would want me to post it as a new topic.  I can't post this cause it is also boring.....I would think..Sombody help us!!!!! :crying:
Enjoy your day folks.... :peace:


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: 25 on September 05, 2006, 05:44:02 PM
wow, looking back through your posts i can see that you are a quite angry and aggressive little man  :hihi:
Yeah! Either that or I'm quite a sarcastic and bored little man. It's got to be one of those.

I would try some amateur psychology on you too but I can't seem to find the time to go trawling through your old posts.  :hihi:


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: 25 on September 05, 2006, 05:46:11 PM
Jesus Christ!!!!!!!!!!! :rant:...we really need an album soon. We are running out of interesting things to post here.
We'll probably run out of interesting things to post the day after it's released, too. I call first dibs on posting the "your favorite track on CD" thread. After that, youse'all are on your own.  ;D


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: russtcb on September 05, 2006, 05:54:54 PM
it's too bad that axl isn't using this album as an opportunity to comment on the bush administration and its war machine
Yeah, it's a pity that he isn't using this opportunity to take a stab at a passing political breeze and print it onto everlasting cd technology. It would be a really good idea to use this comeback to attack our moron president 6 years too late instead of trying to make a great rock album. What is Axl thinking?!




I gotta agree on this one.

Let the entertainers be entertainers.


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: kyrie on September 05, 2006, 06:01:50 PM
This is even better than frozen's "." post last night!

Lets see:

American Communism (I wonder if some band in China is recording this now?)
American Hipocracy (If you want a political title to get people up in arms)
American Consumerism
American Idol (How Not To Put On A TV Show)
Canadian Cheese
Cuban Democracy
Government Conspiracy



Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: russtcb on September 05, 2006, 06:07:13 PM
This is even better than frozen's "." post last night!

Lets see:

American Communism (I wonder if some band in China is recording this now?)
American Hipocracy (If you want a political title to get people up in arms)
American Consumerism
American Idol (How Not To Put On A TV Show)
Canadian Cheese
Cuban Democracy
Government Conspiracy



They could call the next album "Illegal And/Or Stolen Goods"


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on September 05, 2006, 06:43:53 PM
Please Don't Download This


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: michaelvincent on September 05, 2006, 07:09:40 PM
If he hurries he can probably beat Velvet Revolver to 'Libertad'.

If not my vote definitely goes to 'Luxembourg Two-Party Democratic Political System'.


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: Ellroy on September 05, 2006, 07:09:57 PM
American Democracy? Or perhaps Democratic Republic of Congo Democracy? United Arab Emerates Democracy, the list goes on.


or maybe........ get this........ a whole NEW title that the world hasn't even heard of let alone talked about for 7 years!

I doubt it. You act like Axl has talent or something. Get your head out of his ass you Axl lover you!!! ?:hihi:

Canadian Cheese is definately the best one yet, but what about the third album? It could be a concept album about a fictional band like Sgt. Pepper's! They will call it "Rod Torkelson's Armada featuring Herman Menderchuck". That's got a nice ring to it.


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: russtcb on September 05, 2006, 08:30:46 PM
American Democracy? Or perhaps Democratic Republic of Congo Democracy? United Arab Emerates Democracy, the list goes on.


or maybe........ get this........ a whole NEW title that the world hasn't even heard of let alone talked about for 7 years!

I doubt it. You act like Axl has talent or something. Get your head out of his ass you Axl lover you!!!  :hihi:

Canadian Cheese is definately the best one yet, but what about the third album? It could be a concept album about a fictional band like Sgt. Pepper's! They will call it "Rod Torkelson's Armada featuring Herman Menderchuck". That's got a nice ring to it.

Well played. Well played.


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: Mandy. on September 05, 2006, 08:45:30 PM
Next album should be called "Unleaked".


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: Steel_Angel on September 05, 2006, 08:51:21 PM
Next album should be called "Unleaked".
we got a comedian  :hihi:

it should be called, FROZEN INFERNO!


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: SkiX on September 05, 2006, 09:16:01 PM
It should be called "Download this motherfuckers" or "Downloading Motherfuckers", either or is gold... GOLD JERRY, GOLD!


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: gator on September 05, 2006, 10:23:15 PM
it's too bad that axl isn't using this album as an opportunity to comment on the bush administration and its war machine

it would actually be kinda appropriate to call it 'american democracy,' which is about as far-fetched as 'chinese democracy'

Yeah! Good idea!? Then they could change the name of the band to "Rage Against the Machine"....Oh wait, someone already did that 10 years ago...and it wasn't cool then.


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: -Jack- on September 05, 2006, 10:28:31 PM
it's too bad that axl isn't using this album as an opportunity to comment on the bush administration and its war machine

it would actually be kinda appropriate to call it 'american democracy,' which is about as far-fetched as 'chinese democracy'

Yeah! Good idea!  Then they could change the name of the band to "Rage Against the Machine"....Oh wait, someone already did that 10 years ago...and it wasn't cool then.

Yeah.. cause.. you know.. theres no democracy in America..  ::)

I'd hate for Axl to start getting all political on us. Would piss me off. Civil War was great.. and if he wants to make another song like that.. thats cool.. but he did it with class. He didn't do it in a whiney ass Green Day way.

But please Axl.. nothing more than a song or two.


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: gator on September 05, 2006, 10:34:03 PM
it's too bad that axl isn't using this album as an opportunity to comment on the bush administration and its war machine

it would actually be kinda appropriate to call it 'american democracy,' which is about as far-fetched as 'chinese democracy'

Yeah! Good idea!? Then they could change the name of the band to "Rage Against the Machine"....Oh wait, someone already did that 10 years ago...and it wasn't cool then.

Yeah.. cause.. you know.. theres no democracy in America..? ::)

I'd hate for Axl to start getting all political on us. Would piss me off. Civil War was great.. and if he wants to make another song like that.. thats cool.. but he did it with class. He didn't do it in a whiney ass Green Day way.

But please Axl.. nothing more than a song or two.

No, it would be a good idea. They could tour with the Dixie Chicks and bash American foreign policy. You know, the kind of thing most GNR fans really care about.


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: Eclipsed107 on September 05, 2006, 10:40:12 PM
We're really starting to run out of things to talk about on this site, aren't we?


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: -Jack- on September 05, 2006, 10:50:41 PM
it's too bad that axl isn't using this album as an opportunity to comment on the bush administration and its war machine

it would actually be kinda appropriate to call it 'american democracy,' which is about as far-fetched as 'chinese democracy'

Yeah! Good idea!  Then they could change the name of the band to "Rage Against the Machine"....Oh wait, someone already did that 10 years ago...and it wasn't cool then.

Yeah.. cause.. you know.. theres no democracy in America..  ::)

I'd hate for Axl to start getting all political on us. Would piss me off. Civil War was great.. and if he wants to make another song like that.. thats cool.. but he did it with class. He didn't do it in a whiney ass Green Day way.

But please Axl.. nothing more than a song or two.

No, it would be a good idea. They could tour with the Dixie Chicks and bash American foreign policy. You know, the kind of thing most GNR fans really care about.

Fuck yeah brother. Dont wanna be an American Idiot.. and nither does Axl.

I could see promo for the album too..

A patch that says
"Chris Pittman says FUCK Bush!" :hihi:


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: KeVoRkIaN on September 05, 2006, 11:54:08 PM
How bout:

Cantonese Cuisine

What the hell is the point of this thread anyhow - to estimate the time till the mods will kill it?


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: 25 on September 06, 2006, 12:59:47 AM


I could see promo for the album too..

A patch that says
"Chris Pittman says FUCK Bush!" :hihi:

I would buy that in a heartbeat.  :hihi:


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: nonlinear on September 06, 2006, 10:06:05 AM
man, i can see the rednecks are coming out the hills for this album  : ok:


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: ppbebe on September 06, 2006, 10:22:58 AM
japan is a democracy  :-\

Isn't it an imaginary country? ???


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: -Jack- on September 06, 2006, 10:30:29 AM
man, i can see the rednecks are coming out the hills for this album  : ok:

Man this guy just loves to aurgue! ( :hihi:)


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: gator on September 06, 2006, 10:47:35 AM
man, i can see the rednecks are coming out the hills for this album? : ok:

Not sure who you are referring to, but I live in Manhattan. In any case, flavor-of-the-moment political causes are not good names for hopefully legendary rock albums.


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: nonlinear on September 06, 2006, 10:50:48 AM
and yet we had an entire generation of musicians base their work primarily on civil rights and vietnam

did someone say.... Bob Dylan...

and, manhattan has rednecks apparently, too.  i mean, someone's gotta pick up the trash, right  :hihi:


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: 25 on September 06, 2006, 11:40:22 AM
and yet we had an entire generation of musicians base their work primarily on civil rights and vietnam

did someone say.... Bob Dylan...


Yes, during the main thrust of the civil rights movement and at a time when young (music buying) people were being drafted to die in a foreign jungle. It's a little harder to build a career on "our president is dumber than a box of particularly dumb rocks" and "the people dying for america in Iraq are part of an all-volunteer military."


And let's not forget, many of those musicians that you refer to ended up becoming industry whores, selling their music and themselves to commercials for taco bell, gap and victoria's secret.



Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: nonlinear on September 06, 2006, 11:46:09 AM
american democracy = chinese communism  :-[

i think problems go deeper than our 'dumb president'


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: Elrothiel on September 06, 2006, 12:09:15 PM
While I loved Civil War... I don't think that Axl should do an all political album. Although it would be lightyears better than "American Idiot"... it would just be a bad move. In a way he'd be redoing Civil War... which is kinda pointless really.

Regardless... Axl's a musical genius, and whatever he chooses to do in the future will most likely be brilliant. : ok: :yes:


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: slashisvr on September 06, 2006, 12:12:36 PM
Gobowen democracy


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: deanaxlrose on September 06, 2006, 12:25:33 PM
P**** DEMOCRACY.
That's how I get my minus karma. ;D


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: nonlinear on September 06, 2006, 12:41:18 PM
but you all keep saying 'a political album would be stupid,' but LOOK AT THE FUCKING TITLE

it's obviously political


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: russtcb on September 06, 2006, 01:12:52 PM
but you all keep saying 'a political album would be stupid,' but LOOK AT THE FUCKING TITLE

it's obviously political


I haven't paid close enough attention to the lyrics of the title track to make heads or tails of what it's about in the first place so I don't know if it's political.


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: ppbebe on September 06, 2006, 01:20:40 PM
obviously?
it's not nesessarily be about flavor-of-the-moment politics, like gator said. You can find a politic anywhere. in any community from the world to your family.

Musicians being political is fine if politics are what they really concern. I just hope their artwork won't get abused for some political football against their wills.



Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: requiem156 on September 06, 2006, 01:25:03 PM
If he's writing political stuff, and he really feels it, then more power to him. If not, he should stay away from it. As long as they're good songs with emotion behind them, I'm pretty sure that neither I, nor anyone else is going to complain.

I don't really understand all this theorizing about what Axl/GNR should do - they're going to do whatever they think works best


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: ppbebe on September 06, 2006, 02:42:33 PM
Lets go back to the topic....japanese democracy, nay?

reference #1
    "In fact the whole of Japan is a pure
    invention. There is no such country, there are no such people. One of our
    most charming painters went recently to the Land of the Chrysanthemum in the
    foolish hope of seeing the Japanese. All he saw, all he had the chance of
    painting, were a few lanterns and some fans. He was quite unable to discover
    the inhabitants, as his delightful exhibition at Messrs."-- from oscar wilde "The Decay Of Lying"


reference #2
(http://www.greece-japan.com/en/uploads/jppassport.jpg)
looks somewhat familiar?

reference #3
In 1946 an American anthropologist Ruth Benedict published a book about the imaginary country with no direct experience but solely with hearsay knowledge?through the literature, through newspaper clippings, through films and recordings. Incidentally the book title is "The Chrysanthemum and the Sword"
does this somehow seem to ring a bell?

If so, what an uncanny coincidence! :confused:



Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: nonlinear on September 06, 2006, 05:11:21 PM
pphebe, i don't get it  ???


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: Elrothiel on September 06, 2006, 07:53:49 PM
Wait so... Japan isn't real? Japanese people don't exist? ???

Well that's bloody strange considering I've been there twice to stay with my friend...

:hihi:


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: -Jack- on September 06, 2006, 09:45:48 PM
and yet we had an entire generation of musicians base their work primarily on civil rights and vietnam

did someone say.... Bob Dylan...

and, manhattan has rednecks apparently, too.  i mean, someone's gotta pick up the trash, right  :hihi:

Loves to aurgue AND is disrespectful! Kinda sounds like one of Garry's childish rants.

Are you 18 too nonlinear?

well garry, i don't really care what you think merck's tactics are, you're just an 18 year old kid and have a lot to learn yet about business and the music industry

 :hihi:. Anyways, you sound more like a sterotypical 18 year old to me. Disrespectful and condescending! But I guessing you'll probably just change your aurguement ever so slightly to be right. (Kinda like GARRY!)

Anyways I don't understand why your so damn set on GNR doing politics. Haven't really before, and they shouldn't now. Lol, "look at the title! it must be political!"... didn't Axl himself say it wasn't and that he just liked the sound of it? Anyways, considering the fact that Silkworms, Oh My God, The Blues, Maddy, TWAT, IRS, Better, and Rhaid don't have anything political in them...

Even Chinese Democracy (the song)... would hardly call the lyrics political.

Well.. im sure you'll find a way to convince yourself that Axl should become political. Good luck with that.


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: kyrie on September 06, 2006, 10:40:46 PM
and yet we had an entire generation of musicians base their work primarily on civil rights and vietnam

did someone say.... Bob Dylan...


Yes, during the main thrust of the civil rights movement and at a time when young (music buying) people were being drafted to die in a foreign jungle. It's a little harder to build a career on "our president is dumber than a box of particularly dumb rocks" and "the people dying for america in Iraq are part of an all-volunteer military."


And let's not forget, many of those musicians that you refer to ended up becoming industry whores, selling their music and themselves to commercials for taco bell, gap and victoria's secret.



So you're comfortable with a president dumber than a box of particularly dumb rocks? And you have no problem that the army of "volunteers" comes primarily from impoverished Americans lured to the military by the army's version of a shell game?

You know, I'm not really sure people have really looked at WHY Axl called the album Chinese Democracy. Was it just a joke about something taking forever? Was it a jab at the U.S.'s own political system, which is in a sense a Chinese Democracy where those had the top have the only true freedom? In any case, the name is already political, so why not have the second album be the mirror of that?


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: kunzerd on September 06, 2006, 11:01:12 PM
it's too bad that axl isn't using this album as an opportunity to comment on the bush administration and its war machine

it would actually be kinda appropriate to call it 'american democracy,' which is about as far-fetched as 'chinese democracy'

yeah because green day hasnt ridden that band wagon enough right?

i really hate when stars get political.


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: 25 on September 06, 2006, 11:36:52 PM


So you're comfortable with a president dumber than a box of particularly dumb rocks? And you have no problem that the army of "volunteers" comes primarily from impoverished Americans lured to the military by the army's version of a shell game?


Yes. I am much more comfortable with the idea of having a dumb president than an intelligent one with the same agenda. I despise the man with a passion, but apparently enough people liked him to vote him into power after his four stolen years and so - frankly - they deserve whatever they get. And to all those who opposed him, well, they might want to try harder next time.

As for the military; I think you give people too little credit. I think that anyone who signs up is fully aware of what they're risking. And whatever their reasons, it's what they chose.

How does this relate to GNR? Well, I'd have no problem with GNR releasing an entire career's worth of politically motivated material - I just don't see why it should be aimed at the current political landscape or the current war anymore than any of the previous ones. Political corruption didn't begin with George Jr, and Iraq 2:  Arabian Boogaloo isn't the first ridiculous waste of lives, limbs and ammunition even in this country's history, let alone all of history. Why waste an album on the current puppet when the last one wasn't much better and the next one will probably be worse?


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: Mattattack on September 07, 2006, 12:44:55 AM
How about "Axl's Ex's"? That's what Chinese Democracy should be called as it seems a lot of the song lyrics have to do with Axl's old girlfriends. "Axl's Democracy" would also be an appropriate album title.   


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: Bono on September 07, 2006, 04:45:09 AM
Are you guys really talking about a 2nd album? I see. So that's gonna be released when? 2021? :rofl:


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: requiem156 on September 07, 2006, 08:34:14 AM
Are you guys really talking about a 2nd album? I see. So that's gonna be released when? 2021? :rofl:

Optimistically speaking, yes.


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: deanaxlrose on September 07, 2006, 11:09:36 AM
'He's in My Ass' will be the title of the third album.
contains : Silkworms, Asshole song, I fell good,etc...


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: CheapJon on September 07, 2006, 11:18:55 AM
'He's in My Ass' will be the title of the third album.
contains : Silkworms, Asshole song, I fell good,etc...

you forgot the all instrumental "fuckin off.. in G"


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: ppbebe on September 07, 2006, 03:16:33 PM
pphebe, i don't get it  ???

Neither do I? :headscratch:
guess it was my bold attempt to be in line with the thread title.
Still something can be drawn from those items.
that is?er...without seeing is believing. Experience it yourself. or something along those lines.... :yes:

Wait so... Japan isn't real? Japanese people don't exist? ???

Well that's bloody strange considering I've been there twice to stay with my friend...

:hihi:

Are you sure it wasn't a theme park?  :P
Were the place and people just the same as you had heard of them or not really? I bet on the latter.


Title: Re: Japanese Democracy
Post by: estrangedpaul on September 07, 2006, 05:15:15 PM
Interesting you posted this on the day the future of the Japanese Emperor hierarchy was secured with the first male baby in 40 years into the family. Coincidence?