Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Maybe I'm missing something being it's already september.. WHy do you think axl didn't get a litte more in depth about cd and maybe a single..? Why do you think he would waste such great media to not give a month or date?? This year ends dec 31st... I mean there's no way there's no date set already.. I just don't see the point of wasting the 50 times viewed played 24-7 vmas during an interview to not get any deeper about cd.. Cool he said this year as well as oct 24th for the tour but I never understand the reasons for wasting such great publicity.. if he mentions that at the vmas now you have every write up about cd with an official date.. Just never get the point of his lakc of info on key moments..

I think we're all wondering why he passed up this opportunity to give a release date. But I think Axl just wanted to get his face back in the public eye. I mean its good because he reassured fans that it is this year. It's a shame he wasn't more specific though.

I don't know why he had to show his face but not give the date, this year is rapidly ending.. Sure things could happen late october but why waste the biggest mainstream media for music that's rerun a million times seen by as many people.. I hope this year means anything in 2006

He wouldn't mean the school year or the new TV season, would he ? This could take us to Spring 07.  :hihi:

Why don't you wait for Tuesday or Wednesday. Has anybody called n' asked the radio stations of any possible upcoming GNR news?

Fuck knows, I wander now how the actual date is going to be finally announced. Would be lame if it was by businesswire after all this time.
 

Why Tuesday or Wednesday?

A label rep has been assigned to the album and tour..don't worry!   : ok:

Because its TIME!!!! If October is the New Offical Tour , what the hell is he touring, I'd say the new Album, am I right?

We hope! Its just if Mysteron said there's no date been set and Axl didn't announce it, maybe they're waiting on dates from the folks mastering the album or the plant where they will press the cds, in which case it would be unlikely so short a period after the VMAs

Does artists usually make release date announcements during an interview that's only shown online?

I think using the VMAs for this announcement would've been a bad idea. It would get lost among the "who was wearing what" articles.... It might've been mentioned like "by the way, Axl announced the release date for their new album"....

I think once the announcement is gonna be made, people will know.




/jarmo

Agreed. To think GN'R won't make a unique spectacle of THE announcement everyone's been waiting for after all these years is ridiculous. When the date is set and they're ready to announce it, they will...and they'll do it on their terms and in their style. Period.

and also there might a million of other reasons we don't know... record label reasons, leak preventing reasons, personal reasons and so on... also, most of the thread around are why did axl do this or why didn't axl do that... because he did or didn't, why is it so important?

Am I right in thinking that we almost have the release date already. Surely it must be one of the following:

Tuesday   03/10/2006
Tuesday   10/10/2006
Tuesday   17/10/2006
Tuesday   24/10/2006
Tuesday   31/10/2006
Tuesday   07/11/2006
Tuesday   14/11/2006
Tuesday   21/11/2006

Won't happen within the month, and surely not after thanksgiving, so you're down to a 1 in 8 shot.

One of these dates could be the day!  : ok:

@#$%Funker

I think we are down to 3 dates in November, but lets not start the rumour ball...  :)

I expected him to act like that, as I stated in another thread.
My guess goes for late October / early November, which makes most sense.


/lastroots

in that case, soon IS the word. :o :rofl:

14/11/06 - im telling you thats the date

as jarmo basically said allready, it wouldn`t have been such a great idea to announce it at the vma?s, given he just did a small backstage interview, which was shown in the internet only (i guess)...  when i watched the interview and the guy asked axl for a month, i instantly thought "of course not"... and that`s what axl said...

mayber you`re talking about the vma`s in general, but giving a date during the norris interview wouldn have been a bad idea. and i don`t think it would`ve been cool to announce it during the vma`s either....

whatever, mr insider

Being axl said this year why not give a release date at the vmas?

so it wont leak early? i dont know.. nooboodyy knowwss :hihi:

Yes it is. My birthday that is.  ;D

I think Axl didn't get more in depth because things *still* arent' 100% finalized. ?And as frustrating as that is, it's the smart move. ?After 10+ years of waiting, all the false starts, frustrations, and problems that have popped up along the way, Axl simply cannot afford to further piss off or alienate fans. ?Playing it completely safe, and not announcing a date until *everything* is in place and ready to go seems to be a very, very smart move at this point.

Granted, it's still frustrating to hear "this year" and wonder if he means "this calendar year" or "within the next twelve months," but I don't know if I could handle being told "Nov. 11 2006" and then it didn't happen. ?Like I said, I think Axl and GnR are doing the right thing by not naming a date yet...

If you ask me, they shouldn't do another show past the 'warm up' dates until the album is 100% ready to go. I'm fine for it to be released during the tour but I think they should announce it before.

I agree. But at least we were reassured that this is the year. That's good enough for me.

Me, too.  Like I said, though, I just hope "this year" means 2006 and not "in the next twelve months."  Either way, I'm just happy to know that the release is on its way at this point...

he said this year, not within the next year....

VMA's not the right place to announce a release date. Maybe musicians have to sign some papers that they don't advertise their projects, who knows? It was enough that he backed that 2006 is the year. He'll tell the date when it's time - before the 'real' US tour that starts in October.

October is the month of the announcement!  :yes:

I just thought it would have been beneficial to him, he could have an official announcement too later.. I see nothing wrong with if he had answered norris about the album.. If this year is this year then great, I just see the fact it's september already and feel he is wasting prescious time,.. That's just how I feel... Even john norris seemed to know the bare essentials about what's up with new gnr. guess he reads the gossip pages  :hihi:

I think it works very well with many artists using the bigges music media show to declare album dates..

Does anyone believe there isn't a date set yet, or a single selected..??

I feel the same, we already had 01-02 no album, hammersteain europe no album, now a few warm up dates coming up in the states.. I think the smart thing is to get CD done out date said single etc..

I hope, I felt that way with hammerstein and rio5 :'( he said this year, not actually 2006 right... Maybe he means this year from the time he said it which means from aug 31st 2006 to the next vmas 07 :hihi:

The VMA's were a perfect place to announce the album. Axl should have announced the album on stage. I don't believe that there is an actual release date at this point. Has Axl turned the record over to the record company yet? Once he turns in the record, the record company is the one who decides when the album comes out, not Axl. I just hope the record company doesn't figure they already have too many big releases coming out in the fall, and decide to wait and release Chinese Democracy next summer.

Yeah I feel the same, no way the record company is waiting, can't keeop touring playing afd forever when the band needs to get it's own indentity going..

Mysteron has said that Axl has a plan, and I believe it. I don't think they would've started touring Europe and have a USA tour planned if Axl's plan wasn't in place.

That's nice, but do you think Axl's discussed his plan with his record company?

I'm not trying to be a dick at all, but can we ever agree people instead of making excuses for why axl didn't do this, or why it's better he didn't do that.. It's like a team of lawyers.. There is NOTHING beneficial by not giving a date or single at the vmas ,a show that long after what you wore will still be played countless times shown to countless age groups..

As far as I know I'm not one of the board's blinded Axl-worshippers  :hihi:

But it was enough for the general public to tell that this is the year. I don't think even Axl and his people know the exact release date though.

My feeling is that Axl is intentionally downplaying the release of CD, and will continue to do so even when a release date is announced.  Maybe he doesn't want too much attention too soon  Obviously, once a release date is announced all of the major music publications will report it and I kind of think thats its the type of thing that doesn't need much hype, however if they want sustainable sales, they'll have to promote the hell out of it.  Week 1 sales will no doubt see the album go to number one.  After that its really up to Axl to get out there, do interviews, get a single playing on radio, mtv and the internet, etc. 

In another thread someone suggested it will come out near October 24th, and Mysteron suggested that this may be too soon.

Which kinda leaves us the two months between the tour and Christmas. If he makes an announcement on 16th September that it is coming out in November/December, there will be at least 6 weeks of build-up. And with the tour kicking in as well, and possibly a single or a download or a radio only release, there should be plenty of time to get the buzz going. :D

Maybe Axl has something big lined up for the first US show. Doing something at the VMA's would have been daft as the majority of people who appear to be interested in that kind of thing are into rap and emo.

If Axl is gonna announce it, he'll do it his way. And I'd rather he did it at one of his shows than on a lame-ass award ceremony.

Axl was there to introduce the Killers, he couldn't have done it on stage. ?It would've been totally taking away the focus of what he was there to do.

Imagine this: "Without wasting anytime, the Killers - oh and yeah, my albums going to be released in November." ?And he couldn't have done it during the interview, as it was only showed online, and i'm sure not many people would've seen.

I think the album will come out on the opening day of he tour (October 24th).  This way, people at every show will have a chance to get cd before they start to hear the new stuff.  We will get an announcement sometime in September or early October. 

I don't see how it can come out this year.  These things are finalized months in advance.  When a release date of any album is published it is usually two months prior, so for CD how would this even be possible?

Well, if they release the album November 13th, or whatever, they can announce it September 13th, therefore two months of promotion.  It is possible, there's four months left in the year.

Axl doesn't need 2 months of promotion for this album.  :-\  I think the greatest hits prove that!  Yeah, it's a different band, but a lot of the younger fans don't know that.  Plus, the tour, and single can promote this album in 1 months time.

This could work to their advantage.

The Who just announced in the last 10 days their "long awaited" new release, and it's on October 31st.  Plenty of time for Democracy to be announced, give it till say.....September 23rd before we get a release date. 

Check all my old posts, I've been saying November 14th for months, I trust my Best Buy Corporate connection  : ok:

The day belonged to those who won awards and performed at the show.

Axl doesn't need the VMA's to put forward anything he has to say.

I think it will be either November 14 or november 21. I can't see a better timing. right around Thanksgiving, Xmas and probably the MSG show (expected for mid/end November for the momment unless plans change). Anything in october seems too short for me.
I'm sure Axl would like to be in NYC when the album is out... just to "feel" the athmosphere...

Yep. Thats how being classy works.

Also, didn't you say Mysteron that there actually isn't a date set in stone just yet anyways?

When there is a date 'set in stone', I'm sure you will all find out about it quite quickly

Ooohhh the suspense!  ;D

Thats what I'm guessing. And hoping for! :)

It would be lame and cheap to announce the date during that show. Im glad we are begining to have little hints of info these days. this will grow

according to an email from richard, the album will be out at some point during the tour

Yes

I love reading positive responses from Mysteron. Even a simple "yes" makes my day! : ok:

It seems you've become dependent on somebody you don't know and something you don't quite understand. Beware.

He's been on the board for years and is a reilable source. He doenst give "insidee info" to try and get attention. He's never made up anything, so why not trust him?

Axl says 2006, that is all that matters.

are u people that gullible???? there is NO DAMN RELEASE DATE!

4 years ago he told Loder it will be out soon...4 YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!!!
get real, he said this year so people can stop asking the question.....it wont be out this year..guaranteed

my two cents
my opinion, there isn't a firm release date yet and after the the luke warm response he got for his nostalgia line "do you know where the f**k you are?!" The audience probably would rippled with snickers (after all this time) thinking it was a joke... his role that night was one of being a celebrity, introducing a band that he had recently met, and thought were a bunch of nice guys... apparently, not everything (even in Axls world) has to be all about him... : ok:

Well, what we've learned in this saga, is that a hair's breadth in GNR world is a long process.

 8)

Axl said 2006, Fortus said during the tour, Mysteron agrees ... so far in 06 the GNR camp has been on point with everything, CD is the biggest and most important thing to everyone ... so if everyone is in agreement that its coming in 2006 ... thats good enough for me

I am not saying not to trust Mysteron. I am saying don't be so hung up on what he says or on the album coming out. Enjoy the present as much as you can and live your life fullfillingly. Some tour dates are coming up pretty soon. Try to enjoy them without being so dependent on the album. If there is no single in Sept, or there is no release data, or there are no unheard new songs being played at the shows, don't let this affect you in a negative way towards the band, the album, and your life in general.

well you guys keep wishing upon a star that 2006 is the date......cuz it aint gonna happen....

If it doesn't which I would almost bet my Gibson on it that it will.? it would not be a good thing

He didn't give a date, because he's Axl Rose...that's why you haven't had a date in the last decade...like John Norris said...GOTTA KEEP EM GUESSIN

First of all there is no reason that it wouldn't. Second, please have your facts straight before you post. The one earlier about Axl saying it was going to be "soon" is ofcourse completely the opposite of what was said.

Third, even if Axl had said "soon" then, he sure as didn't say "this year" twice in one year.

If you don't think it's coming this year; great. Just about everyone else here does though.

And how strange is that? For once, most of the GN'R fandom actually believes with a certainty that it will be coming out. Does anyone else feel like a giddy kid 2 weeks before Christmas?

Raven

why should AXL announce the release date at the VMA's?  He said during this year. Fortus said during the tour. The US tour starts on 24 of October... so the album will be probably released during November... And there is a label... Geffen updating the www.gnronline.com with the US tour dates... 

To be honest; yes. I have so many more questions that are flying around my head now but it's useless to speculate. I wanna know what the cover art will look like, what the GNR logo will look like, what the tracklisting will be, if there will be any bonuses, will the songs we've heard demos of even be ON there and if they are will they sound way different then what we've heard??

All of that in more is swirling around my head. But I just keep focusing on the fact that Axl said it's coming this year and if nothing else that means the biggest question I've had for the last 10 or so years: "WHEN WILL I GET THE NEXT GUNS N' ROSES ALBUM?" has been answered with "any time in the next FOUR months!" and that's about all I can hope for.

my guess would be the album would be a digipack, sort of like the greatest hits, and nin album.  not a whole lot of info, just the credits and tracklisting

gh's proves nothing, except that many people buy albums of all the thits instead of purchasing them all.. many fans of the raio hits buy gh's albums instead of each one seperate, I know I've done it before..

i also believe that it`ll come out this year, but i`m wondering about the announcement....

i mean people are spinning up theories and what not, but it`s as likely that there won`t even be a press release :hihi:

as soon as geffen knows about the firm release date, it`ll be announced on their website (and gnronline.com which is geffen`s property...) i suppose. or there`s some kind of plan, which is a reasonnable possibility on the one hand, but hard to believe, given the past 7 years or so, on the other hand...

i guess it`s just all very surreal.. i mean can anyone here even imagine opening HTGTH and reading about THE release date, or actually getting the album?? i, for one, can`t imagine anything like that... i visit this site for the past 3+ years now and i`m waiting for the real news everyday since then :hihi:

What about this, what if Chinese Democracy fails to come out this year?

you`ll have enough time to think about that, if it actually (doesn`t) happen(s) : ok:

I believe the album is coming out. Axl said twice now...some of us were losing hope we would see the album this year but now Axl gives us what we needed to hear!!!Itd definitly this year!! Soon is the word

no,i don't think i can imagine typing in 'heretodaygonetohell.com' end then on the index page see 'releasedate for CD announced!'
i'd probably fall off my chair  :drool:

I'll second that. There will probably be at least a minor injury for me when I finally see it.

and that injury will feel so good  ;D ;)

Like I said in another thread - people have been acting all smart-ass in the past making this kind of comment - and it was safe to do so.

Unfortunately for you, you've picked the wrong time, and you'll end up looking an ass.

@#$%Funker

I think I will hold my head in amazment! I'll need to take the day off work just to read the annoucnement :hihi:

you'll need the day because you'll never be able to log into htgth :hihi:

That would have been tacky and predictable, not to mention expected.  Three things that WAR never sucumbs to.

yeah it would have been a disaster, I mean riots cancelled tours waiting forever for one album keeping a band going with no members is all good, but god forbid he mentions the date in an interview :crying:

We get it Mike, it was a huge mistake not to use that awards show.

 ::)

Just wait until next week, then you can start complaining about the setlist again.  : ok:




/jarmo

I can maybe understand a pinch of scepticism, but why would he say this year if he didn't mean it? The man is obviously not afraid to be the barer of bad news. If it wasn't going to be this year, wouldn't he have just said 'soon' again?

:hihi:

I don't know why you guys get so mad because of my opinion... of course I bitch about the set list, the band is new but they play mostly old.. If they start playing less and less old then I'll be happy..  I see no reason for a new band to play ten afd songs.. That's just me though..

Ofcourse your opinion is yours and you are entitled to it. Not to speak for Jarmo, but I think the point was that we're all aware of you opinons on more then a few subjects. :)

yeah bro we're all a bunch of characters, I know what people will say before I even get into the topic..  :hihi: true we're one disfunctional family...

A family is what we are  :beer:

I'm sure some brothers and sisters hate my viewpoints on how Brain drums YCBM.

We are all happy that GNR is making some noise now though. Better than complaining that nothing is going on. I'd rather hear complaints about activity rather than complaints about no activity.

If I remember right, Axl has said "this year" several times in the past.

1999
"Loder: When do you think we will actually see this album? Is it possible to say early next year?  Rose: We're hoping. Yes, definitely, everything seems to be going well."


2001
"Although this, the performance at Rock In Rio was the target of some criticizism from Axl. According to him, his voice was not at his best because of lack of sleep and the band needs to adjust the sound to these great shows. The expectations of the band turns now to the new album, 'Chinese Democracy', which will be released in June. The leader guarantees his fans that they will be rewarded for the long wait."

2002
"'Our plan was to have the new album out this year,' Goldstein said."

2006
"People will hear music this year."
"Axl was asked about Chinese Democracy's release and he said 'it is this year'."


In other words, don't believe a word until an official announcement is made by the label.  And even then, don't believe it until you have the album in your hands.  What the hell is he supposed to do, say "No, it's not coming this year.  I don't know when it's coming."?  Then he would have to face all sorts of other questions--  When will it be done?  Why has it taken so long?  All sorts of questions there he would have to answer, and immediately public opinion turns against him because he can't get an album out, or won't get an album out, that Velvet Revolver is better, all that sort of crap that people already love to believe will just get more and more widespread.

Better to say it's coming soon and have to delay it than to not say it's coming at all.  "It is easier to ask for forgiveness than for permission."

This is the first time we have had 2 statements made by Axl about the release date.   "This Fall" on the Trunk Show and "It will be out this year" on the VMA's so I'd say that's the difference then all these years that have passed.  This is the first time without giving a date, Axl has been so positive to say anything.  I am going by that.

I think they are waiting to see how axl behaves on the american tour, maybe a few shows in a solid date will be given.....Maybe the label want to gauge the reaction of the fans aswell

I think those 'Axl quotes' would be worthy of a FOX news broadcast.

people are also forgetting when Axl gave us that press release about Buckethead leaving and said that the he hopes to announce a release date "within the next few months", what year was that? 2003 or 2004?

?

Plus, you forgot 2004 with the statement

So you're helping me re-confirm that Axl has never said "this year" before.....thanks!

We will have the album in under 4 months. Period.

in 2001 we had the egzact release date anounced.
it was about june 20th

so the exact release date was about june 20th? :hihi:

Your entire argument depends on that statement being true, which is incredibley unlikely.
Even if we weren't talking about the most anticipated album by one of the most famous
names in the music industry, there's no way that the record label would keep a release date
a secret. In fact, these days most companies of any type within the entertainment industry
work towards a pre-set release date which is usually announced before a project is even
begun. If there's one thing that you can count on here, it's that once a date is set in stone
interscope/geffen will be battering you over the head with it every day until that date passes.

At this point I feel all of the "there's NO WAY it's coming this year" arguments are invalid until we hit January 01 2007 and Chinese Democracy hasn't been released.

Listen to this guy people.^^^^^....Come winter time, we will all be playing the album in our cars on our way to work....with the windows open no matter how cold it is....fuck it

Like I've said already, don't believe anything until you have the album in your hands.  It's the only surefire way to avoid potential disappointment.

True but....I am not going to kill myself if it doesn't happen...it's just another thing to look foward to besides football. With all the appearances Axl is making..the tour in Europe..the USA....I really can't see it not happening...and I am fully aware that this is GNR we are talkin' about.    :peace:

Why the hell do you need this album so much? Why can't you just be happy with the tour?
I am afraid there has been so much expectation built on for the album, that there is no way in the world it is going to live up to it. And most people will start bitching even more after they hear the album.
I am actually very concerned, given the fact we've basically heard half of the album, being in the form of demos or live performances. I still love the new songs and I think tehy are great compared to anything else that's out there these days. However, in the GN'R standards, these songs at best come halfway close to the Illusions songs.....

merck , fortus , and axl said this year , so it's gotta come

Including the leaks we have heard...I would be satisfied with "the blues" and "madagascar" studio versons (which will sound amazing) with one heavy rocker "the general" or whatever. The only other listenable new albums in rock are Korn and Tool....everything else pretty much blows elephant dick....it will be a very good and successful album. ?:yes:

I've never understood the thinking process at Camp GN'R.  The VMA's would've been a perfect opportunity to reach out to the maximum number of casual music goers that for the most part will now have no idea that the CD is coming out even after the release date is finally given.

To make matters worse, word is GN'R are once again planning to start touring the US without the album.

I just don't get it. ???

I'd say the Tuesday before Thanksgiving so it is in the stores for the biggest shopping day of the year.

touring the us without a album is specualtion and rumor at best .....the official tour according to AXL isn't until october 24 th



....anybody have a idea where they will be playing ?

And here we are already in September with no word.? If they plan to get it out before the tour, they're gonna be cutting it extremely close.

its possiable in theory that the cd's are done mastering and packaging are ready as well as shiping , just hush hush to limit free ripping off the internet

that`s not the plan actually....

Are you kidding? The demos for Better, IRS and TWAT sound more fully-developed than half of the songs on the UYIs. Would you rather have those three or Shotgun Blues, You Aint the First and My World?
 

Only in America, so please stop thinking about JUST yourselves.

Thanksgiving is ONLY celebrated in America, not Europe, Australasia and Asia where they will get massive sales too.

Maybe Axl does nopt decide the exact day, perhaps the record company does for lining up promotion, etc. Once Axl delivers a completed albu, then the date is set by the label ( I guess)

Maybe he hasn't handed over CD yet?

It's a bit of both, usually (band and label) when coming up with a date.? But I think the label DOES get the final yea or nay, to some degree.

Maybe he hasn't, maybe he has.? There's no way of knowing without some comments by someone "in the know".? Really, that leaves a very small handful of people...and they typically let Axl do the yacking about specifics like that.? And we know Axl's not exactly forthcoming about details on anything.

They said before, and during, the Euro tour that they were going to work on the finalized track list during the tour, and finalize it when the tour ended.? Hopefully, they're well on their way through that process (or done with it) and either getting ready for, or are in the midst of, the mastering process.? Here's hoping.

America is the largest single free market for consumption of pretty much anything. GNR are an american band on an american label. You do the math.

Sorry...we're selfish....at least I am....... :hihi:..but you're right... :peace:

I have a grasp on the fact that Thanksgiving is an American holiday. No one ever said that the whole world celebrates it.

The point was that the album and new band are going to have the hardest time putting up big sales numbers in America. It would make sense to release the album on that day here to get the best boost in sales since the album is expected to do well in other countries on its own.

So you see, no one was thinking about "JUST" themselves.

Which would be a good point...except it's not.

1) For GnR, from a global standpoint, the US accounts for more sales than any other single country.

2) The day after Thanksgiving is either the largest, or one of the larges, shopping days of the year (it waffles with the day after Christmas and the Saturday before Christmas) in the US.

3) Other products, which have global media appeal (video games, DVD's, music) have, in the past, chosen the week leading up to Thanksgiving as their release date for EXACTLY that reason.  And it's been a successful tactic for them.

This isn't about where a holiday is, or isn't, celebrated.? It's about business.? And the fact is that, in their largest single market, they will gain the best exposure of their material by having it out right around Thanksgiving.? They may choose, for whatever reasons, NOT to release it then...but to ignore the possibility simply because you feel the Holiday is ethnocentric isn't realistic.? Other companies have chosen those dates, historically, for exactly that reason...even though their products ALSO sell well around the world.

Thursday, November 23rd.

Which means those ascribing to the theory it'll come out before then would be looking at November 21st.

It's as good a guess as any, I suppose.

To me it seemed like a good guess no matter what country you're from.  ;)

Of November?

And also, can someone for another country confirm something for me?

Does everywhere else but America release it's albums on Monday?

to answer the thread title...because it's not the time or place to announce it. I doubt that will hear anything until the very last minute... and there will be no promotion whatsoever before the release IMO.

I say after we hear officially about the album release date that there will be less than a month till the actual release

What does thanksgiving celebrate? I know there's a turkey involved.
I agree, november time seems good though personally, I'd like the band to come to my house (ok, the hotel where I'm living till maybe february) and do a gig and then hand me the CD. also I'd like them to bring beer. But yeah, Thanksgiving, that was my question.

thanking god for finding a fertile new land...i think :hihi:

the almighty God if not a turkey?

@Kayoss read the thread and see how absurd the idea of useing Vmas for the announcement is and why no one do it.
Or rather use common sense. it should tell you that would be a stupid stunt.
Does everywhere else but America release it's albums on Monday?

I know in same countries they release albums on anyday in a week save national holidays

Although My world is my fav  >:( off UYIs, I'd take silkworms over it.

IT STARTED WITH THE PILGRAMS AND NATIVE AMERICANS EXCHANGING GIFTS, FOOD AND PEACEFULNESS THAT THEY SHARED WITH EACH OTHER ONE DAY IN THE FALL...There is more to it but way too much to write......This was all before more white immigrants came to the country and took the Indians land and killed most of them. :(

Without getting too far off topic, it's supposed to be about how the Pilgrims and Indians helped each other survive their first winter together. If you talk to Native Americans, you'll get a much different version though...

Everything you ever wanted to know about thanksgiving and probably much much much more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving

We celebrate Thanksgiving in Canada too, it's in October though, and considered "the real" Thanksgiving. LOL.

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If they want to maximise sales, release it around Christmas.

That's what they said...because, in the largest single market, "around Christmas" starts the day after Thanksgiving...and a LOT of the holiday shopping gets done that day, and the weekend after.

And, again, the strategy pays off...which is why many products adopt it.

me too...and i agree :hihi:

Maybe he doesnt know yet....  ::)

Nothing is finalised yet.

well   actually there`s thanksgiving in germany.....  but it`s nothing major anyways.... basically a normal day.....

whatever day its released on will be an international day of thanksgiving for guns fans!

If it's coming this year, something had better be finalized - a date at the very least, if not duplication, and groundwork for promotion. The main thing is that I don't really care when I find out, as long as someone knows what is going on.

As long as the actual CD is pressed and ready to ship, they really don't have to have any plan whatsoever until the record is shipped. In all honesty, they could decide on a Thursday that it's coming out the following Tuesday and pull it off.

yea, but i have a feeling we'll hear something LONG before CD goes to press...  if not from management or the label, it will be someone working on the production line or distribution

Oh I agree and I'm sure the reps will hear and report long before that too. I just wanted to make the point that they could do it that way if they wished.

Considering we are four months away from the new year, I would suspect that GnR' management are in the midst of finalizing a release date and promotion planning.

I would say just about every waking hour for an entire staff of people is spent doing just that by this time.

Somehow I doubt it being he will be doing a cd tour part 2 this october... I see nothing wrong with saying what single will be released... I have neevr seen a group that can't tell you the release dates of their music when they're about to tour for that specific album..

Oh I'm sure he can tell you the release date.


He just probably doesn't want to.

So that could be innovation right? But that would be giving them any credit for keeping the anticipation up.

You act like a million people are waiting for this... Anticipation for who, 10,000 people.. It sounds like more excuses given by forum members why it's ok or cool for axl to leave you in the dark.. The wait has been long enough and well overdone, it's time to just tell the fans who care the real deal..

10,000 people? i bet this album does 1 million first week

Not excuses really and I doubt anyone here thinks it's "ok or cool" that we've been waiting for a decade with barely any news but, like it or not, that is the way that it is. Management/Axl don't care about doing things the conventional way. They clearly don't care and all the bitching about what we're owed and all that nonsense will NEVER change their minds. Seems to me that some people in the GNR world have accepted that GNR is gonna do what GNR is gonna do when it comes to giving info to the fans and some people have not accepted this. Sure, Axl could have given a release date at the VMA's but he did not. Time to move on. We've waited for so damn long a maximum of four months isn't going to kill anyone. If the year ends and Chinese Democracy is not out (highly unlikely) or does not have a release date then let the bitching continue. Until then give it a damn rest for two seconds.

Wow! What a shock! You've got something negative to say about the future of this album!

If you seriously believe that there are less then 1 million people interested in this album I'd be shocked.

^people are definitely interested.   most have just kind of gave up hope or its not really on their minds.  But whenever I mention to someone I'm a gnr fan, they always ask if its ever coming out and that they would love to finally hear it.   It will go platinum within the first week.

I think it will go platinum right when its released. Every person who has ever been a GNR fan will buy it. Even if they know nothing about this lineup(or hate new GNR), they will buy it out of curiousity. If the album comes out at a cheap price at places like Best Buy, Wal Mart,etc., they could actually double that sales figure on release day.

Now we are arguing about the hypothetical sales of an album that hasn't been released yet.

Come on - back on topic everyone.... Axl didn't give a release yet because there isn't one yet in my opinion.

I think he is just careful of his words after "Round 1!"

And to tell you the truth the release date is set by execs not axl - if we are at that point now - we should all fell lucky that there is a date.

Me personally - I bet the date hasn't been decided yet - as the promotional machine is only starting to roll again. Final details might be in place now.

Lets put it this way - the execs were most likely watching the VMA's to gauge the public reaction to Axl and see what kind of market to promote CD into.  MTV may not be the right place - but this is a buisness and these people are sharks.  The VMA's were a litmus tests for the markets they are potentially marketing to.  Europe is a sure shot - but where and how to market GNR in the US is a bigger problem.

Nah, I think that's a moot point. I don't see Interscope/Geffen considering regional promotion for a rock band of GNR's magnitude. I could be utterly wrong, but I'd expect a major nationwide push for CD. It makes no sense to me to bother with demographically focussed advertising either, when you know that you'll grab your core market with prime-time tv spots and print ads in the usual suspects.

I think 400k tops, but I was saying who is waiting anxiously for this album not who will buy it,.. People who will buy it is different then those on the edge of their seats chomping at the bit.. With the age of downloading I think 1 million units is a bit much..

When you factor in radio and TV talking about it with the curiosity factor, this album is going to move alot more units than you think. Time will tell.

I'm with Mike on this one but i think 400k is pretty high for 1st week sales maybe closer to 250k...I'd say chinese democracy goes platinum, but i doubt it will do much better than TSI as far as sales, which has sold about 1.3 million copies in the US according to wikipedia

This conversation about the release date, is the most repetitive conversation in the history of the board. This specific topic is a good one though (not really speculation on the date) and really doesn't have a right or a wrong answer.  People above were saying, "Why would Axl give a release date during an interview that will only be showed online, etc??" That's true, but I also think that even if this was an interview that was telivised after the VMA's, I still don't think Axl would have given a date. He MAY not know an exact date yet because as people above have said, the EXACT date really isn't his choice.  The thing that worries me and we go through this every single fucking year almost, is that the 4th quarter and  fiscal year, don't end until March (31st I think??).  It is only the beginning of September right now, so we have 4 months until 2007. If the album was coming out in November, which I think is the biggest month for album releases during the year, don't you think promotion for the album should be starting now or very soon?? I hope the people promoting this album do a great job and REALLY care about this band. There are some big bands out there that constantly get SHIT promotion and just because this album cost a ton of money to make, doesn't mean the promotion WILL BE "out of this world."  Who fucking knows anyway??

Just to make a quick comment on the conversation above, is that 1 Million sold in the first week worldwide?? I'm not too familiar with worldwide sales figures, but I think it would probably do a lot more than that in it's first week around the world, so I'm sure you are speaking of a specific location.  I live in the U.S. and I think 400,000-500,000 albums in the first week (sold here) sounds accurate. A million albums sold in the first week in the U.S. alone though, is laughable.  Unless of course they release the most kick ass single that anyone has heard in years, which in turn will get a ton of NEW fans to go out and buy the album. I know a lot of people that love GNR but out of those people, I only think 1 or 2 would actually go out and buy the new album, especially in it's first week.  This area has a ton of Guns N' Roses fans, but the majority of people hate Axl. I don't know how many times I find myself sticking up for the guy and what he's doing with this band. They ALL say the same fucking thing, "I hate Axl Rose but I love Slash." Everybody thinks Axl is the bad guy, which he very well may be, but that just depends on who you believe. Also, downloading WILL hurt the sales of this album, just like it does with every other album out there.  I was just thinking though, VR sold roughly 250,000 albums in it's first week and ended up at #1 on the billboard chart here in America. For GN'R to double that, without a jaw dropping first single, should be easy. As I said though, that first single is so important to this album and I hope it's something fucking crazy. They might even have two singles by the time CD is released though, depending on whether it does indeed come out in 2006.

^good analogy but i doubt that they will do much better than VR...in fact i say right around the same figures as contraband maybe a tad worse.


i think the main reason why Axl didn't give a release date at the VMA's is because it wasn';t the place to and he was there for the killer's not for GnR....it's not like he was gonna go GnR album is due in store's on this day oh yeah check out the killers...and the behind the scenes internet interview for 30 seconds? yeah right...it's be a press release just like all other GnR albums have been in the past :peace:

I just remembered this, so I have to dump it here:

Marilyn Manson's last album "Golden Age of  Grotesque" debuted at #1 on Billboard with something like 110,000 sales. So timing is pretty essential, marketing-wise. Debuting on a weak release week, you can have horrible sales figures and still have the #1 album in the country.

billboard is bullshit...does anybody really care what they have to say? nobody i know does, i think people around here are much to concerned with placement in sales as opoosed to musical quality. My favorite album of the last 2 years i don't even think made a showing on billboard, Black Label Society - Mafia, music first please, I'll worry about sales figures after i decide if it's a good release or not thanks

Off-topic; The first two BLS albums and the live one were greatness.

No way......the GNR name alone will sell albums. Teenagers all over the place are NEW GNR fans.....It is going to BURY everything......trust me.....Album sales with the GNR name + Axl + good songs= PRICELESS......just be patient my friends.........and also....VR was such a disappointment. Wyland can't sing in rythme with creativity and melody on more than one song "slither" anymore....That album was laughable.... :peace:

Big fan of scott huh? you must know everything about him, you can't even spell his name properly ::)

people know slash is out of GnR and in VR, sales are bound to dissappoint those with a mindset like yours, at least until the material is heard and judged solely on the music not the members :peace:

somebody said earlier that half are Axl fans Half are slash fans...prolly a pretty good estimate IMO, again I say don't expect much more than VR type sales

new gnr playing(rippin off) old gnr (songs) thats laughable

Billboard is pretty much the way the record companies measure success. I'm not saying it's right, it's just the way it is.

i understand that, but I'm not record companies ;)

Shit...I spelled his name wrong? ?sorry dude.....I have always been a fan of Scott and Slash....I hope they do well. But VR was disappointing. ya know...THE MUSIC. I don't give a hot fuck what they say about each other....They don't pay my ?fuckin' bills. A lot of people I know feel VR was disappointing... and they HATE Axl. ?:peace:

No shit?? Thanks for the info bro, I thought you were the CEO of Neemo Records or something.

he did not give a date because he doesnt have one, i doubt that it will be released this year, imo

that company doesn't exist...your fibbing :P

What i was trying to get at is i really doubt that the vast majority of members here has anything to do with a record company...therefore i don't see why people should really care how it sells ;)

I think that axl knows if he says a date then the album doesn't drop he'll be crucified. I dont think he'll say a date till EVERYTHING's finalised, failing that not till they're loading them on the trucks to the shop. imagine if he said say october 24th and something out of his control happened, and we had another sorry, it's not coming out for another month. even if it did drop then, people would be pissed. better to make a promise he can keep.
Either that or they were sure it would be out say november-december time, but not sure of an actual date.

I thought they were mostly interscope employees... :o

Joking aside, amen to that.
A music fan would focus on if they like the content of a record or not first and worry about what their friends and then the world (the charts/ billboard) think of it second.

Because it was the lowest rated VMA's EVER.  Not even Axl could save the day, although that was certainly the only highlight for me.  I kinda like Jack Black so I had some hopes but that was just not good.  Anyway, the release date may not be finalized yet or maybe they're trying to keep it as tight-lipped as possible.  4 songs have been leaked already, I'm sure they'd like to sell a few copies instead of everyone downloading from the internet. 

I gotcha. I agree with you on the sales thing. I've posted before that I honestly could care less how well the album sells. If I like it thats all that matters to me.

I think some people are GNR or "classic" GNR fans because they think it's cool. Like being a Yankees fan or something, it's a thing thats already a legend you know? I like GNR because I love the music (including all the new stuff I've heard), so I don't care if it sells 10 or 10000000 as long as I get it and like it.

the thing is, CD has costed the record company ..what ??...Millions ? ( or less )

The album will sell great ( because of the name, but i will buy it for the songs ;) )

But it?s 2006, and in 2006..people download

the album won?t make the money?s worth ( The money the record company been given Axl )

The album will make it's money back easily.  Even if the 13/14 million dollar production cost was accurate (which seems incredibly unlikely) they'd only need to sell about 750,000 copies worldwide to recoup it (They must have made that money back three or four times over with the greatest hits cd alone, so in reality GNR are already out of the doghouse).

Some people tend to forget that record companies not only want to get their money back, but want to multiple it. With 13 millions it's highly unlikely that it'll be a huge commercial success (in the record company's point of view). They won't lose a cent on GN'R, but when you can make 20 millions outta 1 million, you are not too happy with like 30 millions out of 13 millions.

They all had their money back with the Greatest Hits record.

They could have released that without spending 13 millions for Axl's new album. They don't feel to be rewarded.

Right, which was exactly my point in an earlier post.

Just to clear the air when I say 400k I meant the USA numbers only.. I have never spoken about an album's release world wide

I'd take the over on 400k in the first week, but not by much.. Probably will be about that. & I think overall the album will sell between Contraband & American Idiot.


As for GH, how many albums has that sold?? I don't think that alone recouped 13 million? You don't just sell 1 million albums for $13 bucks and you made your money back. You have to factor in Royalties to the former members, Production costs (1 million CD's, covers, & cases) Artwork, also take out the retail units share (Best Buy, Circuit City) shipping, as well as marketing (commercials, magazine ads) and the EMPLOYEES SALARIES at the record company.. Also factor in interest on $13 million over about 5 years.

They probably need to gross well over $30 million to break even on $13 mil.

Also, a big expense for record companies is making up for artists who failed or didn't sell. For every act who is a success, there are 10 who fail.. So as a company they need to factor in net losses to be considered making gains.

st anger sold over 500k it's opening week, as did Tool's last album I believe..

Why does anyone give a shit if the record sells well or not?

yeah but TooL is amazing and metallica hyped and promoted the shit outta st anger for months, and metallica was still dominating the rock industry when it came out...

I think it gives him some room for error. If he gave an exact date people would be expecting it. by saying "This year" it's still pretty vague and it leaves the door open for a release date being pushed back into 2007. This year could mean December 26th. If the album came out on January 1st nobody would care. I think there's no date set because there's still really no idea when it's coming out. Albums get pushed back all the time so by not giving a specific date it buys him time untill the very end of the year to then push the album back due to "industry reasons".  Too me this is getting sad. We're almost halfway through September and there's no single or even a hint at a release date or radio date for a single. The tour goes October 24th so there had better be some damn news by then if not it's all a joke. I know everyone hates me refrenceing U2 BUT when Vertigo was released to radio on September 22,  2004 U2 fans new about that date a month in advance and the single had been leaked for that long.  So we knew about a radio single a month before it hit radio and a mont and a half before it was released. The single hit radio  2 months before the album. Plus record stores knew about the album release date well in advance. It's not a good sign that NOBODY knows a damn thing about a possible release date for CD let alone a possible release date for the first single or when the first single might even hit radio. In my opinion the way thngs are going  the earliest this album could come out is December 12th. I'm not expert though so that's just me. :-\

Here's something to think about.

Why is there a break in the tour?

The already announced dates end on October 5th, then according to Axl, the tour starts at the end of October.


Why is there a three week break?



/jarmo

It's nothing less than obvious what is going down durring that time.

If there is no set date within the label, then he can't give a specific date.

Well that's just it right. That's the opening for something to happen. All I'm saying is it had better happen durring that time. If a single is to hit radio durirng that time we'll be hearing about it within days from now unless their planning some surprise secret promotion which would be idiotic. FINGERS CROSSED :)

That's what I was thinking about. I guess they'll record a video and finalize everything to let it go.


(IMO the first video shouldn't be an epic, just parts of various live performances to show that this band has energy - like Dead Horse)

well if you're all saying this band will save rock or everyone is dying for axl to come back then album sales will be a big part of showing us that.. Also wouldn't you want high album sales to boost his confidence,,

all of that is great, and we are all rooting for axl and guns to have great success once again.   but I think just getting the music is going to be great in itself as we've waited for so long.   If it does great commerically, thats awesome.  but if it doesn't.. it doesn't.   I dont expect GNR to 'save rock'.  I just want some good music.  :beer:

No. I don't care about any of that. I sure as hell don't care what anyone else thinks of the album or who buys it. I pretty much only care if I like it or not.

Also, if there's one thing Axl Rose isn't lacking; I think it's confidence.

To prove that you don't need months of promotion, The Who will release their first new album in 24 years on October 31st.

What's that, six or seven weeks away?

And they announced it with a simple statement on their website, no big drama.

In football, they say form is temporary and class is permanent. Axl doesn't need to make a big production of the release date. It will get picked up by the press and they'll do practically all the work for him.

Axl still has plenty of time to play with if the record is coming out this year. :peace:

really ,most confident men do what he'd done... :hihi:

If was lacking confidence, he would would've given in to everyone's wishes and begged the original guys to come back so they could just give it and put out AFD II.